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| ScottL | hi AutoStatic :) | 15:39 |
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| AutoStatic | Hello ScottL | 15:39 |
| ScottL | abogani, my comments yesterday were not directed at your work, i want you to understand that | 15:40 |
| ScottL | abogani, they are more derived from frustration of not being able to include a kernel that we know works and works well with -rt | 15:41 |
| ScottL | abogani, of course some of the current issues might be derived by a confluence of activities including the new firewire stack and the cgroups issues | 15:41 |
| ScottL | ailo, how is your work on -controls moving along? | 15:42 |
| ScottL | astraljava, are you getting close to helping with backporting? i think in a week i'll be in full swing for it :) | 15:42 |
| ScottL | morning paultag :) | 15:43 |
| paultag | morning ScottL :) | 15:43 |
| paultag | ScottL: How goes, my friend? | 15:44 |
| * abogani waves all | 15:44 | |
| paultag | heyya ab | 15:45 |
| ScottL | persia, still no movement on the new kernel documentation for getting -lowlatency into natty :( | 15:45 |
| paultag | abogani * | 15:45 |
| paultag | ScottL: damn, still? | 15:45 |
| ScottL | paultag, i'm doing well, taking a week of vacation and hoping to get some ubuntu studio development done :) | 15:45 |
| paultag | ScottL: :) | 15:45 |
| abogani | ScottL: I accept any types of comments. :-) | 15:46 |
| ScottL | paultag, yes, i'm getting a little frustrated with it myself and worried that the -lowlatency will not make it into natty :( | 15:46 |
| paultag | it's getting really late | 15:46 |
| paultag | ScottL: is anyone on the kernel team engaged with it? | 15:46 |
| ScottL | abogani, i know you readily receive any comments :) | 15:47 |
| ScottL | abogani, part of my frustration derives from the combination of having to align kernels with desktop and then not having -lowlatency in the repos | 15:47 |
| ScottL | abogani, the second is from new and unexpected problems, but that is something we can work through and can't really be expected to be resolved before we experience them | 15:48 |
| ScottL | paultag, yes, but i forget his name and can't find the blueprint currently, although i have it bookmarked _somewhere_ | 15:48 |
| paultag | ScottL: humm | 15:48 |
| ScottL | paultag, apparently it's andy whitecraft | 15:49 |
| ScottL | whitcroft | 15:50 |
| paultag | ah | 15:50 |
| ScottL | the bug is: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-version-and-flavours | 15:50 |
| ScottL | err, not bug but blueprint | 15:51 |
| abogani | I suspect that JFo and diwic are also informed about that. | 15:52 |
| paultag | ScottL: just had a talk in another channel about it abogani | 15:52 |
| * JFo reads back | 15:52 | |
| paultag | wow, that was an odd ping | 15:52 |
| ScottL | paultag, the is the part: [apw] document how to build a new derivative flavour/branch:TODO | 15:53 |
| ScottL | this provides a vector for us to get -lowlatency into the repos so it can ship on the ubuntu studio disc | 15:53 |
| paultag | ScottL: looks like the kerenel work is on us, not the kernel tea | 15:53 |
| paultag | team * | 15:53 |
| ScottL | paultag, yes, but the kernel team was to provide documentation framework to do so that was acceptable with the team | 15:54 |
| * JFo takes a look at the blueprint | 15:54 | |
| paultag | sorry to rag on you there JFo | 15:54 |
| JFo | paultag, no sweat | 15:55 |
| JFo | :) | 15:55 |
| paultag | :) | 15:55 |
| ScottL | JFo, paultag: thank you both for taking time to help work with this :D i appreciate it | 15:55 |
| JFo | no problem | 15:55 |
| JFo | like I told paultag, I only wish I could help you guys more | 15:56 |
| paultag | ScottL: no problem, I'm in here for a reason :) | 15:56 |
| paultag | true that. | 15:56 |
| * JFo has apw here nearby. I will chat with him between meetings to see what the timeline looks like for that documentation | 15:57 | |
| JFo | given the enormous amount of work we are in the middle of anything is possible | 15:57 |
| paultag | JFo: you're a rockstar, my man. Are you in TX? | 15:57 |
| JFo | paultag, I am in texas... the rockstar bit is in question though ;-) | 15:57 |
| paultag | JFo: I've seen those videos | 15:58 |
| JFo | hahahaha | 15:58 |
| JFo | my sincere apologies :) | 15:58 |
| paultag | :P | 15:58 |
| paultag | hahaha | 15:58 |
| JFo | ScottL, I suspect the documentation may have more to do with where to put the derivative in the archives etc. but I will get a full description. | 15:59 |
| ScottL | JFo, i'm also in texas, montgomery actually which is to the west of conroe or northwest of houston | 16:01 |
| paultag | JFo: in theory applying the patch should be the easy part. In theory. | 16:01 |
| ScottL | JFo, re: documentation, that sounds like what i expected from my conversations with persia, it wasn't a HOWTO but more of "this is the form that we would like to see it" | 16:02 |
| ScottL | paultag, my understanding from abogani is that the -lowlatency kernel doesn't require a patch | 16:03 |
| JFo | paultag, not from what I have seen :-/. The patch is huge, but it is also very version specific. There is an effort to have all of the rt bits in each kernel in, hopefully, 5 releases or so | 16:03 |
| JFo | but I think upstream is being optimistic | 16:03 |
| ScottL | paultag, JFo: i don't think we are trying to get the -rt kernel into the repositories, i think we only focusing on the -lowlatency currently | 16:04 |
| JFo | right | 16:04 |
| ScottL | paultag, JFo: therefore i believe there shouldn't be a patch required | 16:04 |
| paultag | really? | 16:04 |
| abogani | really | 16:05 |
| JFo | but when I inquired at plumber's thinking I could help somehow, I was told that the lowlatency had a similarly invasive patching scheme | 16:05 |
| paultag | so it's lieterally just a build flag change? | 16:05 |
| paultag | literally * | 16:05 |
| JFo | hmmm | 16:05 |
| paultag | JFo: I thought so too | 16:05 |
| * JFo is chatting about it in the team | 16:06 | |
| JFo | one sec... | 16:06 |
| ScottL | paultag, that is my understanding from abogani, i.e. "just a build flag change" | 16:06 |
| paultag | damn, cool. | 16:06 |
| JFo | so there are config changes needed | 16:08 |
| holstein | ScottL: so, what needs to happen to get -lowlatency in the repo ? | 16:08 |
| abogani | only | 16:08 |
| JFo | and several frequency modifications | 16:08 |
| abogani | ScottL: I must go. Please let me know any news. | 16:08 |
| paultag | JFo: but that's a simle config delta against stock, right? | 16:08 |
| holstein | abogani: o/ | 16:08 |
| holstein | laterx | 16:08 |
| JFo | paultag, seems to be | 16:08 |
| paultag | humm | 16:08 |
| JFo | we are still discussing | 16:08 |
| paultag | sure, JFo. I'm going to run to meet up with some friends for lunch. I'll read back later | 16:09 |
| paultag | JFo: thanks so much for looking into it, man | 16:09 |
| paultag | JFo: I owe you a beer, for sure | 16:09 |
| JFo | my pleasure | 16:09 |
| paultag | cheers, all! | 16:09 |
| ScottL | holstein, andy whitcroft was working on documentation for getting kernel derivatives/variants into the repos, but he hasn't completed it yet | 16:12 |
| ScottL | holstein, but it might be that there was a significant misunderstanding on the request | 16:12 |
| ScottL | holstein, it appears that the kernel team expected ubuntu studio to require a significant and invasive patch | 16:12 |
| ScottL | holstein, abogani asserts that only compile time flags needs to be set | 16:13 |
| ScottL | holstein, hopefully this streamlines the entire process :) | 16:13 |
| ScottL | again, thank you paultag and JFo , you guys rock! (scottl gives $0.05 to the jono licensing fund) | 16:14 |
| JFo | lol | 16:14 |
| JFo | my pleasure ScottL | 16:15 |
| holstein | ScottL: this is the kind of disconnect that alio and i have been discussing | 16:21 |
| holstein | im glad to see some discussion and movement :) | 16:22 |
| holstein | the current generic kernel is natty is not viable for our needs | 16:22 |
| ScottL | holstein, yes, i hope this is the break that gets it moving :) | 16:22 |
| ScottL | holstein, i haven't seen raony since the other night, i hope he comes back and at least tells us why he was frustrated with ubuntu studio | 16:25 |
| ScottL | we can't address what we don't know if frustrating people :( | 16:25 |
| ScottL | holstein, you don't perhaps know his ubuntu forums name or have an email address, i'd happily pursue him and talk directly to get his knowledge or to secure his help | 16:26 |
| holstein | raony = alio? | 16:27 |
| holstein | i think folks are mis-informed about the kernel | 16:28 |
| holstein | and i can understand why | 16:28 |
| holstein | to be honest, i think it was interepid or jaunty? | 16:29 |
| holstein | when US did not have an RT kernel installed by default | 16:29 |
| holstein | and i was still learning, and not coming on the IRC | 16:29 |
| holstein | i did not undertand how to install the RT kernel from the repo even | 16:29 |
| holstein | or what that meant | 16:30 |
| holstein | SO i just used 64studio for a while | 16:30 |
| holstein | im glad i came back to US | 16:30 |
| holstein | but i imagine some of the frustration wanting an out of the box awesome audio solution | 16:31 |
| holstein | and not knowing what is going on with the generic kernel to be more RT friendly | 16:31 |
| holstein | AND its not like you can get a LIVE CD of US and see how the kernel works with JACK and your hardware | 16:31 |
| JFo | ok, so the amount of items that need to be changed depends on what you want to get out of your kernel... | 16:33 |
| JFo | it can be as simple as one flag and as complex as you want it | 16:33 |
| JFo | apparently :) | 16:33 |
| ScottL | holstein, i'm talking about raonyguimaraes, i don't think that's ailo as well (but i could be wrong) | 16:33 |
| holstein | ScottL: hmmm, i'll see if i can figure out who that is | 16:35 |
| ailo | ailo = ailo | 16:38 |
| ailo | ScottL: I'm not doing anything on the Ubuntucontrols at the moment, but I sketched out a script that is supposed to do all of what is proposed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ControlsRedesign | 16:40 |
| ailo | I'm still waiting to hear about firewire, how that is set up. | 16:40 |
| holstein | AI lo | 16:41 |
| holstein | i was wondering why auto complete wasnt happening | 16:41 |
| holstein | i thought you were out ;) | 16:42 |
| holstein | ailo: you need something from me for that? | 16:42 |
| ailo | holstein: doesn't need to be you, but if you have time.. | 16:43 |
| holstein | i should have time today | 16:43 |
| holstein | if i get the rig setup | 16:43 |
| holstein | ill ping you | 16:43 |
| ailo | Just a step by step on how to get firewire working on Natty. | 16:43 |
| holstein | and if you're here, we can knock that out | 16:43 |
| holstein | ailo: yeah, i want to look at all the steps with you | 16:44 |
| holstein | that i usually do | 16:44 |
| holstein | and try to do the shortest route that works | 16:44 |
| ailo | Should be simple enough. I'm guessing you need to be in audio group and add the udev rules file. You have the link? | 16:46 |
| ailo | http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-multimedia/ffado.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/60-ffado.rules | 16:46 |
| ailo | But, please try without the udev rules first, just in case they aren't needed. I really have no idea how that works. | 16:46 |
| JFo | ScottL, sounds like apw had a chat with persia at some point concerning the documentation. | 16:47 |
| JFo | it seems that we have so many critical items that are getting delayed (and this one has also been pushed back at least one milestone) | 16:50 |
| JFo | so I don't have a good answer for when you can expect the docs I am afraid. :-/ | 16:50 |
| falktx | ailo: i want to help here | 16:55 |
| falktx | ailo: i know how to code and should be easy enough | 16:55 |
| falktx | ailo: but I use Qt, (PyQt) | 16:55 |
| ailo | falktx: You mean Ubuntustudiocontrols? By all means, if you like. It would be a bit sweaty for me. | 16:56 |
| ailo | falktx: will it require extra libs? | 16:56 |
| falktx | ailo: the mockup looks nice, and fairly easy to implement | 16:56 |
| falktx | ailo: just python-qt4 | 16:56 |
| falktx | afaik, comes pre-installed | 16:57 |
| falktx | i would add a tab for config audio plugins paths | 16:57 |
| falktx | and remove the wireless thing | 16:57 |
| ScottL | JFo, ah, okay. thanks for the update :) | 16:58 |
| ailo | Yfalktx: es, and I dont' know about System Scan either. | 16:58 |
| ScottL | falktx, ailo: which mockup? | 16:58 |
| falktx | ScottL: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1333955/USC.pdf | 16:58 |
| falktx | system scan seems like a nice feature for me | 16:59 |
| ScottL | falktx, ailo: that's rlameiro's before we really decided on what needed to be in -controls | 16:59 |
| ScottL | not saying don't use it, just don't feel like that's THE form it needs to be in or ALL that needs to be included | 16:59 |
| falktx | ScottL: so you know exactly what is needed ? | 16:59 |
| JFo | ScottL, no problem | 17:00 |
| ScottL | falktx, heh, that's a really good question! not really, we've bounced ideas back and forth | 17:00 |
| ailo | ScottL: I'm sure nothing unnecessary will end up there.. | 17:00 |
| falktx | It could help if I had a list of stuff that needs configure | 17:00 |
| falktx | let me write down now the ideas | 17:00 |
| falktx | 1 - system-scan | 17:01 |
| ailo | falktx: We're just been working on the firewire bit, me and holstein. | 17:01 |
| falktx | 2 - wine setup (wineasio, wine-rt, etc) | 17:01 |
| ScottL | falktx, we talked about the items under ubuntustudio-controls: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2010May16 | 17:01 |
| falktx | ailo: nice | 17:02 |
| falktx | ScottL: 2010may16 ?? | 17:02 |
| ScottL | falktx, yes, rlameiro started but got hung up on something trying to update -controls | 17:03 |
| * ScottL acknowledges ubuntu studio really, really needs some developers :( | 17:03 | |
| falktx | ScottL: i know my plans for kxstudio | 17:03 |
| falktx | ScottL: i'll start to make the welcome/config tools soon, so... | 17:04 |
| ScottL | hi quadrispro :) | 17:04 |
| ScottL | ubuntustudio-controls: | 17:04 |
| ScottL | he had considered adding a way to enable a standard ubuntustudio-dev PPA for -rt kenerl | 17:05 |
| ScottL | also adding the user to audio group (might not be needed anymore) | 17:05 |
| ScottL | also enabling raw1394 (might not be needed anymore) | 17:05 |
| falktx | ScottL: well, i think it is | 17:05 |
| ailo | Me too | 17:05 |
| ailo | At least audio group | 17:05 |
| falktx | err | 17:05 |
| falktx | ScottL: we need someone who understand this more than we do | 17:06 |
| ScottL | also adding a quick and consolidated way to add: flash, mp3 codec, et al restricted formats commonly used | 17:06 |
| ailo | falktx: no, it hasn't changed | 17:06 |
| ailo | falktx: except for the new firewire stack | 17:06 |
| falktx | ailo: i read about it, it seems it can access firewire without the need of a udev rule, right? | 17:07 |
| ScottL | falktx, ailo: if we view -controls in the sense of someone coming from vanilla ubuntu, then i think adding user to audio group is still a necessity | 17:07 |
| ailo | falktx: rt will not work on the generic kernel, but on Aboganis, it's just like before | 17:07 |
| falktx | ScottL: how can jack work in realtime if an user is not in audio group?? | 17:07 |
| ailo | falktx: ScottL: We still need audio group. That hasn't changed | 17:08 |
| ailo | I think what ScottL is referring to is how jack may use realtime in the future, because of how kernels are configured. | 17:09 |
| ailo | But that is not a problem yet. Not on Aboganis kernel | 17:09 |
| ScottL | falktx, exactly! but if one installs vanilla ubuntu and then adds studio packages by hand, the user will not be in the audio group automatically | 17:10 |
| ScottL | falktx, -controls will let them do this from a unified location | 17:10 |
| falktx | oh, wait... | 17:10 |
| * falktx still thinks he is in 2010! | 17:11 | |
| falktx | lol | 17:11 |
| ScottL | ailo, i believe the audio group is installs automatically, just if one installs vanilla ubuntu and then installs studio packages then the use needs to be added to it | 17:12 |
| ailo | ScottL: Yes. | 17:12 |
| ailo | ScottL: Wait, err | 17:12 |
| falktx | ScottL: I'll work on a mockup today | 17:13 |
| falktx | yep | 17:13 |
| falktx | btw, is it me, or many packages just fail to build on natty? | 17:13 |
| falktx | I got so many PPA build fails for natty, while maverick and lucid are fine... | 17:13 |
| ailo | ScottL: I don't know if the audio group is added automatically. But user needs to put itself manually to the group. | 17:14 |
| falktx | ailo: it only happens when installling US from ISO | 17:14 |
| falktx | in all other cases, user has to do it manually | 17:15 |
| ailo | falktx: A simple script can check that, right. So adding that to the -controls is not so hard. | 17:15 |
| falktx | yep | 17:16 |
| quadrispro | ehya guys | 17:16 |
| quadrispro | happy new year! | 17:16 |
| falktx | hey quadrispro | 17:16 |
| ScottL | ailo, from my experience before with lucid and maverick and installing vanilla ubuntu, the audio group was there already, this might have changed for natty of course | 17:16 |
| ScottL | hi quadrispro | 17:16 |
| quadrispro | falktx, I remember we were taking a look at festige, isn't it? | 17:17 |
| quadrispro | ScottL, have you got my mail? | 17:17 |
| ailo | ScottL: I'm sure it hasn't changed then. I usually install from vanilla. | 17:17 |
| falktx | ScottL: the audio groups is there, but the user needs to add itself to it | 17:18 |
| falktx | quadrispro: yes, I got lazy... | 17:18 |
| falktx | quadrispro: i need to update festige again, I learned some new stuff I would like to implement there... | 17:18 |
| falktx | ailo: btw, here's a screen of my current work -> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr100.jpg | 17:19 |
| falktx | ailo: it's a GUI for ladish (and jack patchbay), uses pyqt4 | 17:20 |
| ailo | falktx: Looks nice. | 17:20 |
| quadrispro | falktx, and it would be good to get in touch with fst's mainstream developer | 17:20 |
| falktx | quadrispro: he got angry at me... | 17:20 |
| quadrispro | falktx, ?? | 17:20 |
| falktx | quadrispro: I made a patch for ladi lv1 support, then he went mad | 17:21 |
| quadrispro | ah! ladi | 17:21 |
| falktx | quadrispro: he said kinda 'ladish sucks' | 17:21 |
| quadrispro | lol | 17:21 |
| falktx | quadrispro: festige uses that custom fst (with my own patches), so it's not a very good idea to talk to the original author... | 17:22 |
| quadrispro | I don't know, I haven't looked again, I know that it would take the place of lash | 17:22 |
| falktx | quadrispro: I'll soon add support for 'ghostess' too, so that I can have dssi-vst with jack-midi | 17:22 |
| * falktx has lots of stuff to do | 17:22 | |
| ScottL | quadrispro, i'm not sure, when did you sent it? | 17:22 |
| quadrispro | falktx, eh, ok, but I've been thinking to import the original fst source into debian first | 17:23 |
| quadrispro | ScottL, mmmh.. gmail says 12/31/10 (11 days ago) | 17:24 |
| ScottL | quadrispro, did you mean in response to my email? if so, then yes i got it, sorry for not responding | 17:24 |
| falktx | quadrispro: fst has a branch with jack-session support, so you might wanna use that | 17:24 |
| ScottL | oh yes, 12/31 | 17:24 |
| ScottL | i kept meaning to respond :( sorry about that | 17:24 |
| quadrispro | falktx, so I'll try to mail with fst's author before working on festige | 17:25 |
| quadrispro | ScottL, no worries! :) | 17:25 |
| quadrispro | falktx, I've seen, but... does it work? | 17:25 |
| quadrispro | really? | 17:25 |
| falktx | quadrispro: i haven't tried yet | 17:25 |
| quadrispro | I remember that upstream seem'd not very active | 17:25 |
| falktx | quadrispro: but my version does work with ladish pretty well | 17:25 |
| falktx | quadrispro: yeah, there are no recent commits | 17:26 |
| falktx | quadrispro: btw, I packaged ladish for ubuntu | 17:26 |
| quadrispro | falktx, the bad news is: Debian does not have ladish :) | 17:26 |
| quadrispro | (for now) | 17:26 |
| falktx | quadrispro: i sent it to revu, but no one commented | 17:26 |
| quadrispro | falktx, well, I'll take a look | 17:26 |
| * falktx remembers why he uses PPAs so much | 17:26 | |
| quadrispro | falktx lol, I see :) | 17:27 |
| falktx | quadrispro: you're free to use that package for debian | 17:27 |
| quadrispro | falktx, there was a discussion in pkg-multimedia ML about "do we want ladish or not?" | 17:27 |
| falktx | quadrispro: just note that final v0.3 has been released | 17:27 |
| falktx | quadrispro: ladish is the best session handler that ever existed for linux, sadly not everyone sees that | 17:28 |
| falktx | ladish does much more than what jack-session does | 17:28 |
| quadrispro | falktx, well, please turn up on pkg-multimedia and say: "Ehy guys! Ladish rocks and my package is ready for reviewing" | 17:29 |
| falktx | quadrispro: hm, but I'll leave soon | 17:30 |
| falktx | I hate not having internet at home | 17:30 |
| quadrispro | falktx, tomorrow or later, no worries | 17:30 |
| quadrispro | persia, ehy man! how are you? | 17:32 |
| ScottL | quadrispro, i encouraged falktx to try to push ladish to debian instead of REVU :/ | 17:55 |
| ScottL | debian multimedia team is so much more aggressive and pervasive to get packages in | 17:55 |
| ScottL | at least for audio packages (i have little to no experience with non-audio packages) | 17:55 |
| ScottL | quadrispro, also i haven't used ladish, but my limited experience with jack-session is disappointing | 18:04 |
| ScottL | i don't know if i should expect more from jack-session in the future, but i believe ladish already delivers much of what users desire | 18:04 |
| ScottL | falktx, did you see my email about debian multimedia team and audio menu? | 18:08 |
| ScottL | falktx, i doubt they will get anything fixed before natty and since we already have a hack for ubuntustudio-menu | 18:08 |
| ScottL | falktx, perhaps we should go whole hog and do something like avlinux or dreamstudio (or even kxstudio) and fix the menu to help users | 18:09 |
| holstein | im for that for 12.04 for sure | 18:09 |
| holstein | if the changes dont trickle down | 18:10 |
| holstein | by then | 18:10 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, how's the work on unity accessibility going along? | 18:20 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: Its coming along a little quicker now that we have some more people helping out. Its too much for one person. :) | 18:31 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, oh, i bet it was/is, but i'm glad you have help | 18:33 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, i'm frightfully ignorant about accessibility, are you able to use anything from gnome? | 18:33 |
| ScottL | 18:35 | |
| ScottL | it also seems that the "sigterm" restart during installation was an alternate installation problem which has since been resolved :) | 18:36 |
| ScottL | now i can finish up the gnome-session as default xsession issue | 18:36 |
| ScottL | BUT now it also seems that the tasksel options are borked :( | 18:36 |
| ScottL | i'll start on that after the xsession issue | 18:37 |
| ailo | ScottL: Just my opinion, but seems like there's no need for so many tasksels. | 18:38 |
| ScottL | ailo, there shouldn't be so many ;) just five | 18:39 |
| ScottL | 1. graphics | 18:39 |
| ScottL | 2. video | 18:39 |
| ScottL | 3. audio recording | 18:39 |
| ScottL | 4. tone generation | 18:39 |
| ScottL | 5. plugins | 18:39 |
| ScottL | although i can't imagine a use case were someone selected either audio recording or tone generation and _wouldn't_ want the plugins | 18:39 |
| ailo | ScottL: That's what I thought too. | 18:40 |
| ailo | Usually one selects the whole thing for testing, or to save time | 18:40 |
| ScottL | just for reference: audio recording would be recording actual instruments and/or bands | 18:40 |
| ScottL | tone generation would include synths and sequencers | 18:40 |
| ScottL | ailo, :) | 18:40 |
| ailo | tone generation seems like an odd term, too. | 18:41 |
| ailo | I would go with instruments, normally, but sequencers are included in that | 18:42 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: Yes, I use GNOME full time. | 18:42 |
| ScottL | ailo, the nomenclature can be updated if we had a better suggestion ;) | 18:44 |
| ScottL | but persia helped me with it and that was the best we could come up with at the time | 18:44 |
| ailo | ScottL: Either a big all-in-one, or a ubuntustudio showcase tasksel, I think. | 18:48 |
| ailo | But, not so important, maybe | 18:49 |
| ailo | Most people do whatever they want, anyway | 18:49 |
| ailo | When installing | 18:49 |
| ailo | By all-in-one, one for audio, one for video, one for graphics | 18:49 |
| ScottL | ailo, i may be wrong, but i think a large majority of users tends to focus on either recording audio (from instruments) or sequencers/synths | 18:52 |
| ScottL | that's not to say that overlap doesn't exist, i'm sure it does | 18:53 |
| paultag | ScottL: you say you need developers, eh? | 18:53 |
| ScottL | but this will let the users who just do one or other to control which applications are installed better and unclutter the menu | 18:53 |
| ScottL | paultag, aye! | 18:53 |
| ailo | ScottL: I have the feeling a lot has to do with the menu, in a way | 18:54 |
| paultag | ScottL: well, I'm done with a CS major at my Uni, and love to code. Just point me where | 18:54 |
| astraljava | ScottL: Yeah, things should clear up in a few days. | 18:54 |
| ScottL | paultag, two things that effect ubuntu studio fairly drastically, although it's only a little coding but more troubleshooting i believe | 18:56 |
| ScottL | paultag, the first is we need to make sure that the gnome-session is chosen as the default xsession instead of unity | 18:57 |
| ScottL | paultag, i think this; http://paste.ubuntu.com/548058/ | 18:57 |
| ScottL | should take care of it | 18:57 |
| ScottL | paultag, which should be for: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-default-settings/UbuntuStudio/annotate/head%3A/debian/postinst | 18:58 |
| ScottL | paultag, i got the additional code from didirock and haven't built it yet or tested it yet | 18:58 |
| ScottL | i've been having trouble getting a natty install lately | 18:59 |
| ScottL | paultag, so getting that resolved would be awesome | 18:59 |
| ScottL | paultag, the second thing is that it appears the tasksel is borked during ubuntu studio install | 18:59 |
| ScottL | paultag, this might need to be addressed with cjwatson after making sure the meta packages are correct | 18:59 |
| paultag | ScottL: mmhum | 19:00 |
| ScottL | paultag, if these are really what you are looking for i'm sure we could find something else :) | 19:00 |
| paultag | ScottL: I'm here to help, man. any work for U-S us work I'll do | 19:00 |
| paultag | ScottL: RE default xsession, that's easy enough, should just be a default file change. I think I had to do something similar at some point | 19:02 |
| paultag | that postinst looks good | 19:03 |
| ScottL | paultag, right now i'm installing a ubuntu studio natty install and hope to build it locally and test it, i hope to have it by this evening | 19:04 |
| paultag | ScottL: rock on | 19:04 |
| paultag | let me know how it goes | 19:04 |
| ScottL | but unfortunately i'm home on vacation with a wife and two kids as well, it's not conducive to getting stuff done, ya know? | 19:04 |
| paultag | ScottL: did JF-o get back to you about the kernel stuff? | 19:05 |
| paultag | ScottL: for sure, man. for sure. | 19:05 |
| ScottL | JFo, he said that other critical items were holding the process up and some of the deadlines had been pushed back | 19:07 |
| paultag | OK | 19:08 |
| ScottL | lol, sorry JFo , that was for paultag | 19:08 |
| paultag | better then we're not doing anything :) | 19:08 |
| ailo | ScottL: Seems like firewire works on Natty, by just adding user to audio group. | 19:26 |
| ailo | holstein was just testing it | 19:27 |
| ScottL | ailo, SOOPER SWEET! | 19:28 |
| ailo | We'll need to confirm, but as it seems now, falktx will have one less task to add to the -control app | 19:28 |
| ScottL | wow, that's really a relief if true :) | 19:28 |
| JFo | ScottL, :-) no problem | 19:29 |
| holstein | ScottL: any reason why i shouldnt install the meta-packages in natty? | 19:32 |
| holstein | the -audio and -audio-plugins ? | 19:32 |
| holstein | i'll go ahead and do it | 19:34 |
| holstein | whats the worst that can happen ;) | 19:35 |
| holstein | im going to try doing some actual work in there later if i can | 19:35 |
| holstein | see how the -lowlatency kernel is in action | 19:35 |
| ailo | holstein: I've installed them all. No problems here | 19:35 |
| ScottL | paultag, holstein ailo: here is a place for proposed improvements: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning#Proposed%20Improvements | 20:21 |
| ScottL | i added all that i could think of, please add more if you think of something :) | 20:22 |
| ScottL | i'll send falktx the link with thelonius in another channel ;) | 20:22 |
| paultag | looks great ScottL | 20:22 |
| paultag | ScottL: hits on the big stuff for sure | 20:23 |
| ScottL | paultag, ail and falktx have had conversations about ubuntustudio-controls, which probably is the best oppurtunity for coding | 20:24 |
| paultag | aye | 20:24 |
| ScottL | eh, i forgot to the the menu update on their as well | 20:27 |
| ailo | Considering how firewire seems to work well, and that -lowlatency is low maintenance, yet so good. Only real thing that bothers me is whether the gnome Desktop will be fully functional | 20:31 |
| ScottL | ailo, i believe it should be from what i've read/heard | 20:31 |
| ScottL | apparently ubuntu is committed to offering it as an alternate to unity | 20:31 |
| ailo | Sounds good. | 20:31 |
| ScottL | so hopefully the update to ubuntustudio-setting i'm trying to get done should cause the gnome-classic to be the default xsession then | 20:32 |
| ScottL | of course, my install of ubuntu studio natty has bombed out again ::angry:: | 20:33 |
| ailo | I've had some bootup problems, but the second try usually works | 20:33 |
| holstein | just as a note | 20:34 |
| holstein | im in unity | 20:34 |
| holstein | for my tests | 20:34 |
| ailo | ScottL: No one is looking into the Ubuntu Theme GTK stuff, then? | 20:35 |
| ailo | As I said before, I could do that, but it may take a while to get into it. Been doing other things for now. | 20:36 |
| ailo | holstein: unity doesnt seem all that complete, right. The main menu doesn't work for me. | 20:37 |
| holstein | something important up there is still on the way | 20:38 |
| holstein | i just go in unity and say 'hey, that looks cool' | 20:38 |
| holstein | and start everything from the terminal ;) | 20:39 |
| ScottL | updated to add -menu improvements and examples: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/ReleasePlanning#Proposed%20Improvements | 20:57 |
| ScottL | ailo, correct, no one is looking at that as well | 20:57 |
| ScottL | i'll add that to the improvements webpage as well | 20:58 |
| ScottL | ailo and holstein, if you start ubuntu (or ubuntu studio) as soon as you pick your name you can change the session to gnome-classic from a pick menu | 20:58 |
| holstein | i tried both | 20:59 |
| holstein | i wanted to see how things looked in unity | 20:59 |
| holstein | looks fine | 20:59 |
| holstein | the compiz requirement is not great though | 21:00 |
| holstein | for us | 21:00 |
| ScottL | holstein, i find the whole framework sort of kid-ish and everything seems too large | 21:04 |
| ScottL | reminds me of some touch face interface for the unwashed masses | 21:04 |
| ScottL | or how yahoo use to be the 'internet' for the masses | 21:04 |
| ScottL | and kinda how facebook is 'the internet' for the new unwashed masses | 21:04 |
| holstein | i really warmed up to it when i started running it | 21:04 |
| ScottL | ymmv | 21:04 |
| holstein | i thought i would hate it for those reasons | 21:04 |
| holstein | its not done yet though... | 21:05 |
| holstein | couldnt get lamer or cooler | 21:05 |
| ScottL | updated the improvements page again to include: gtk theme, testing, backports, documentation | 21:25 |
| ScottL | although it's pretty loose in some of those cases at the moment :P | 21:26 |
| ailo | holstein: You there? | 23:42 |
| ailo | Just got an answer from ffado, about udev, which made a lot of sence | 23:43 |
| ailo | The ffado rules are probably apart from a standard udev installation, and are located in /lib/udev/rules.d/* | 23:44 |
| ailo | a part, I mean.. | 23:44 |
| ailo | a part of, even.. | 23:45 |
| ailo | So, we don't need to add the rules, because they are already there. | 23:46 |
| ScottL | ailo, that's good news :) | 23:55 |
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