[00:01] better to file needs-packaging bugs no? [00:02] yeah, probably [00:07] out of all of those, only bsc has a qt4 port. all but mandvd and qdvdauthor seem to be unmaintained, and the most recent releases of mandvd and qdvdauthor are still Qt3 [00:08] I'd be tempted to remove them all then [00:08] with a needs packaging bug for bsc 4 [00:09] sounds good [00:13] for asdf in bsc imgseek prokyon3 qamix qmidiarp qmidicontrol view3ds crossvc mandvd qdvdauthor; do lp-remove-package.py -u debfx -m "obsolete" ${asdf} -y; done [00:13] debfx: agreed? [00:14] Riddell: yeah, go ahead [00:15] steveire: how do I extract the diff from this? http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/merge_requests/934 [00:22] agateau: I've pushed the sound menu patch to bzr [00:26] Riddell: I don't think you can from the website [00:26] in this case it's just one commit, so you can just get it from there: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/88dd7568fff419510a7c26ffb93d93cc276d7b3b.patch [00:26] Riddell: Please don't remove quanta. [00:27] It's still about the best Linux wyswig web page editor. [00:28] JontheEchidna: ^^^ === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh === solid_liquid is now known as solid_liq [05:12] hello guys, does kubuntu support bluetooth modem yet [05:17] any command line way of connecting to net on via mobile via bluetooth [05:32] come on guys there must some commandline method to setup a bluetooth modem === hunger_ is now known as hunger === cmvo[0] is now known as cmvo === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [12:41] Riddell: I missed a kde3 ubuntu-only package: kxmame [12:58] Riddell: git show 88dd7568fff419510a7c26ffb93d93cc276d7b3b [12:59] I don't know if you got it sorted already. [13:44] \ [13:44] \o [13:44] meeting today ... [13:45] 4 more hours ... hmm [14:00] where's _Groo_ [14:00] and where are the KDE PIM packages [14:00] they released the tarballs [14:56] steveire: I mean how to get it without a git checkout [14:58] http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/88dd7568fff419510a7c26ffb93d93cc276d7b3b.patch seems to be it [15:03] Indeed. [15:03] * steveire rebootin [15:04] shadeslayer: the lack of groo is worrying [15:10] but I thought it was a "world of groo".... [15:10] * jussi gets coat, heads for door... [15:41] agateau: bug reports by microblogging! http://identi.ca/notice/61979592 [15:41] lol ^^ [15:41] :D [15:41] o/ === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:42] the link inside the dent is a 502 for me tho [15:43] works fine here [15:43] lol .. now its 504 : 504 Gateway Time-out [15:44] * shadeslayer tries with chromium [15:44] back to 502 [15:44] ah wait, wrong link.. [15:44] 502 [15:44] and 502 in chromium as well [15:45] god [15:45] GMail Spam Filter -> FAIL [15:45] does anyone have any documentation on Kasten? From the okteta blog I got that it's a framework to build applications [END] :/ [15:46] take a look at their ML perhaps? [15:47] shadeslayer: your network is failing :p [15:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-menubar/+bug/701527 [15:47] Ubuntu bug 701527 in plasma-widget-menubar (Ubuntu) "Some Qt applications freezes Plasma-shell on start with plasma-widget-menubar enabled" [Undecided,New] [15:47] "libkasten: a framework for creating programs" [15:47] nigelb: *shrug* ... yofel's network fails too :P [15:47] nigelb: the short link in the post, not the attachement [15:48] yofel: yeah, I clicke the short link [15:48] which took me to a is.gd page [15:48] ... [15:48] which I clicked through to reach the bugs page [15:48] 0.o [15:48] nigelb: http://is.gd/kyYa4 << this one? [15:48] weirdness .... [15:48] yofel: were special because we work on neon [15:49] :DE [15:49] *:D [15:49] even the might intrawebs recognizes it [15:49] *mighty [15:49] nigelb: nice post on twitter's new spine :D [15:52] Riddell: here's what I have so far on the sdk side, kdevelop builds fine with it - I'm just not too happy with the kasten description, but haven't found much more yet http://paste.kde.org/2350/ [15:54] yofel: I'd e-mail Frederick about the kasten description, but it's not a big issue [15:54] shadeslayer: ;) [15:54] yofel: I'd simplify the description for the libokteta.. libraries, they don't need to describe the whole of okteta the app [15:55] yofel: the libraries should have .symbol files === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [15:55] The meetings in 2h and 5 minutes? [15:56] Quintasan: yep [15:56] Urgh, I still have responsibilties form kde-i18n-pl [15:56] Riddell: ok, I'll try to add them [15:56] >All 259 conversations in "Project Neon" are selected [15:56] :/ [15:57] hehehe [15:57] Quintasan: i unsubscribed from that ML [15:57] too many upload mails [15:57] shadeslayer: subscribe back [15:57] Quintasan: but whai [15:57] all i get are upload mails [15:57] I'm not going to notify you about FTBFS in ur daily builds [15:57] :P [15:57] heh [15:57] ill keep a check [15:57] Quintasan: they uploaded kdebindings [15:58] im going to set up imports after dinner [15:58] shadeslayer: the split ones? [15:58] shadeslayer: just filter out mails from archive@ubuntu.com - those are only the upload messages [15:59] Quintasan: yep [15:59] oh god [15:59] yofel: yeah .. will have to create a filter ... [15:59] I'm so waiting for you to package this [15:59] Quintasan: dude .. its going to be easier this way :P [15:59] or i hope [16:00] * shadeslayer hopes it will be easier [16:00] Quintasan: np, we'll take care of it if you set up sip daily builds :P [16:00] hahaha [16:00] right now in KDE 4.6 there is a new solild backend called "upnp" having it compiled without this kio: https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/kio-upnp-ms makes no sense [16:00] since the discover "storageaccess" can't be used [16:01] (so we should package it at least) [16:01] hmm, I thought we had packages of that somewhere [16:01] is this that annoying thing that causes the device notifier to pop up every 5 minutes in school with people's windows shares? [16:02] because I'd be in favor of not packaging that [16:02] hahah :D [16:02] JontheEchidna: yes, it is [16:02] JontheEchidna: just disable it then? [16:02] to show removable devices ... [16:03] mmm maybe is a good thing to talk in #solid [16:03] because yes, device notifier "poping" every second is not cool xd [16:03] ok im off to dinner [16:03] cya in 30 mins :) [16:03] shadeslayer: already set to removable devices only [16:03] JontheEchidna: ok thats annoying then [16:05] afiestas: I think a good solution is to identify the upnp devices as nonremovable devices [16:05] you can't really eject them anyways [16:05] that's true [16:07] and since the default setting for the device notifier is to only show removable devices, that would solve the problem in most cases [16:08] anyway, we should create a kio-upnp packge, if not the feature is useless [16:12] afiestas: we've discussed it before I'm sure, let me check the logs [16:13] Riddell: ervin is going to disable it (the backend) for 4.6 [16:13] so, np [16:14] Riddell: iirc what we packaged was libhupnp [16:14] yep, ulysses packaged hupnp [16:15] which had a bunch of upstream issues he had to get upstream to sort [16:15] and then I think he had problems with kio-upnp-ms http://pastebin.com/JE9mUK79 [16:15] ouch [16:17] afiestas: does it still make sense to have the kio slave? [16:18] not sure [16:18] but from what I can read on #solid [16:18] upnp support across kde should be delayed [16:21] is hupnp that magic that uses qmake [16:22] Riddell: AFAIK the thread issue was solved by Tuomas (author of hupnp), but the developer of kio_upnp didn't reply me… [16:22] Quintasan: yes, that is it [16:25] Riddell: this guy likes to make noise: he also privately emailed me and commented on my blog about his bug report [16:27] r1214021 <--disabling solid support for pnp [16:28] cheereo pnp, I still haven't worked out what you are [16:32] mgraesslin: I met Sam Spilsbury yesterday, he was name dropping you :) [16:37] Riddell: cool, how is he? I have not yet met him [16:37] he seems to be enthusiasticly working on compiz [16:38] mmm cryptsetup is not include by default [16:38] yeah I could not convince him to work on kwin yet ;-) [16:39] we should include it, or offer to install it when trying to mount a luks partition [16:39] afiestas: what is it? [16:39] is to be able to mount luks crypted disks [16:42] afiestas: it actually is on the CD, see http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/maverick/kubuntu-10.10-desktop-amd64.manifest [16:42] I'm using 11.04 [16:42] it's part of the d-i-requirements seed which says "These packages may be installed dynamically by d-i based on installation parameters. They should generally be made available on CDs." [16:43] it hasn't changed in 11.04 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20110112/natty-desktop-i386.manifest [16:43] so in theory it gets installed if you set an encrypted partition at install time [16:45] could be possible to install it anyway? [16:45] I must admit I've never tried encrypted partitions for fear they might not work [16:45] afiestas: we could move it to the desktop seed yes, but does it have a GUI or is it only for people who know what they're doing? [16:46] Riddell: udisk uses it to mount crypted devices [16:46] and (dolphin && plasma) use solid which uses udisk [16:47] short answer: yes, a normal user can mount crypted devices using interfaces and kde is fully ready for it [16:48] afiestas: would they need it if they haven't set encrypted partitions at install time? [16:49] yes, as I just did [16:49] why was that? [16:49] because I needed to mount a usb-crypted device from ereslibre [16:49] what we don't have is an interface to create crypted usb devices [16:49] to do that the user will need to use the cli [16:50] well I don't know if we have a way to format usb devices in general [16:50] afiestas: ok, we should add it to the desktop seed then [16:51] afiestas: if you're interested in learning about that you can do it and propose a merge, or I can just do it [16:51] you can do it if you don't mind (I'm at work right now) [16:55] afiestas: added, thanks for making Kubuntu better :) [16:58] ok this is madness [16:58] Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/hXFsH.png [16:58] ROFL [16:59] phononlogger: Quintasan yofel ScottK ^^ [16:59] shadeslayer: I've no idea what that website is, it obviously isn't ready yet [16:59] Riddell: that message is hilarious tho :D [17:00] What's so funny? [17:00] Another crappy apt magic? [17:00] yep .. and it says that im not running ubuntu [17:00] Riddell: are you updating the metapackage? (I am coincidentally updating it) [17:00] shadeslayer: more likely that is a semi-static page that hasn't been programmed yet [17:01] Humm, if I want to be a kubuntu-dev I apply to our meeting or somewhere else? [17:01] Quintasan: meeting .. [17:02] shadeslayer: feeling prepared? I don't feel like adding agenda 1h before the meeting [17:02] :D [17:02] JontheEchidna: go ahead [17:03] Quintasan: idk .. i could apply ... but i just dont know ... :P [17:03] Quintasan: for kubuntu-dev you apply to the kubuntu-devs, but the meeting is probably fine [17:03] Quintasan: you applied? [17:03] shadeslayer: I did not, I'm deeply thinking [17:04] likewise [17:04] I have no idea when the next meeting will be :P [17:04] agateau: /home/jr/src/appmenu-qt/appmenu-qt-0.1.0/src/qx11menubarimpl.cpp:24:36: fatal error: private/qmenubarimpl_p.h: No such file or directory [17:04] And adding agenda 1h before the meeting is, well urrr [17:05] Quintasan: agenda items can be added any time, often during the meeting [17:05] agateau: building against private headers? [17:05] Oh well, I'll give it a shot [17:05] shadeslayer: ^^ [17:05] Quintasan: we could have one after neon goes live [17:06] It's more like: we should have at least ONE before neon goes live [17:07] well .. that too ... [17:07] Developer sound less sophisticated that Master of the Universe but has more powers [17:07] ;) [17:07] hehehe [17:07] than* [17:07] im still no MOTU [17:07] so iDunno .... [17:07] You don't have to be a MOTU to apply for dev [17:08] I did become a motu before archive reorg [17:08] Quintasan: yeah... but still .. i have a bit of doubt ... so ill apply in the next one [17:08] agateau: ok I copied the qmenubarimpl_p.h from file qt and it compiled [17:08] Y U TIMEOUT WIKI? [17:08] hehe :) [17:08] agateau: but if this is using private interfaces, how do I know when it needs to be recompiled? [17:08] Riddell: Is it necessary for me to create something like MOTUApplication on Wiki or I can skip this? [17:09] Quintasan: yes you should have a wiki page saying what you've done and what you expect to do and your strengths and weaknesses [17:09] * Quintasan modifies his MOTU one [17:09] yes it'll be much the same as a MOTU application [17:17] * shadeslayer pokes yofel with Quintasan's Stick === yuriy_ is now known as yuriy [17:20] JontheEchidna: I've set up two pages to track the kde3/qt3 packages: http://alioth.debian.org/~debfx-guest/qt3-deprecation.html and http://alioth.debian.org/~debfx-guest/kde3-deprecation.html [17:20] debfx: neato [17:20] [runtime] sitter * 1214035 * branches/KDE/4.6/kdebase/runtime/phonon/platform_kde/kiomediastream.cpp Do not set the reading bool to false on subsequent calls to enoughData [17:22] [runtime] sitter * 1214036 * trunk/KDE/kdebase/runtime/phonon/platform_kde/kiomediastream.cpp forward port r1214035 [17:24] probably better to invert the "in debian" column [17:25] Riddell: could you press the rebuild button on koffice? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice [17:25] dcmtk is published [17:25] y u timeout on me wiki T_T [17:25] shadeslayer: what is that apt stuff? [17:25] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dcmtk [17:25] proxy for apturl? [17:25] phononlogger: magiK [17:25] phononlogger: dunno ... doesnt work either way [17:25] it does with a youbuntoo browser [17:26] wants to launch apt:// [17:26] phononlogger: oi! who do i talk to inorder to work on phonon and webkit? [17:26] phononlogger: that is most horribly broken [17:26] because it says that im not running you-boon-too [17:26] * shadeslayer fixes kde-l10n-it [17:27] shadeslayer: see qtwebkit mailing list [17:27] i did [17:27] trever started some discussion on that foobar [17:27] .... [17:27] Dont tell me the wiki went down [17:27] phononlogger: i dont know his irc nick [17:27] shadeslayer: tdfischer [17:27] thats why id like to help maintain phonon in webkit [17:27] ok [17:27] if you mean trever that is [17:27] yep [17:28] phononlogger: i now haz 2 masters :P [17:28] dont be silly [17:28] he is not even padawan yet [17:28] hehe:D [17:28] Y U TIMEOUT WIKI [17:28] he wants to learn the ways of the streamreader, yet the council did not even accept him as padawan [17:28] FFFFFFFFFFFFF [17:29] this war is no place for younglings [17:29] where the heck is yofel [17:29] YOFEL!!!! [17:29] yofel: i broke your branches [17:29] shadeslayer: Hiding [17:29] shadeslayer: He told us he will be back by the time the meeting begins. [17:29] ohk [17:30] Oh k, can someone kill Wiki? [17:30] phononlogger: #phonon went all sorts of quiet [17:30] make some noise!! [17:32] shadeslayer: the issue is that libdcmtk1-dev is in universe [17:32] ahh [17:32] Riddell: ill file a MIR then [17:32] or is it filed? [17:33] shadeslayer: great, thanks [17:33] shadeslayer: no go ahead [17:33] ok :) [17:35] also this : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/61785581/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.kde-l10n-it_4:4.5.95-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [17:35] i see the man page is build ... then why is it not getting installed? [17:36] Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MichalZajac/KubuntuDevApplication <--- this seems okay, I think you are going to grill the details out of me on the meeting [17:37] hmm ... wait .. [17:37] :) [17:39] Quintasan: maybe list some of the packages you've made, updated, merged recently [17:39] awesome : http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/#kubuntu : << [17:39] shadeslayer: that's an upstream bug [17:39] they know about it [17:39] ah ok [17:40] will wait for next release then [17:40] now for that MIR [17:40] Riddell: we just need the dev library? that way ill file a MIR just for that [17:41] yes libdcmtk1 and libdcmtk1-dev [17:42] but a MIR will always consider the whole source package [17:42] wait ... cant you have some parts of a package in universe and some in main? [17:42] we did that recently in the last release iirf [17:42] *iirc [17:43] shadeslayer: the mir still is about the source package [17:43] +is [17:43] -is [17:43] cant think straight [17:43] ah so they wont consider seprate libs... [17:44] * shadeslayer notes that chromium has a mind of its own [17:44] they'll consider the whole thing, although sometimes they have banned certain parts from going into main like with xmlrpc-c [17:45] phononlogger: ping [17:45] incoming! [17:45] * phononlogger tells Quintasan to take cover [17:46] phononlogger: We don't have graphicssystem kcm in Ubuntu yet, do we? [17:46] kcm... in ubuntu? 0.o [17:46] Quintasan: no [17:46] phononlogger: Strange, I have it ready to upload to REVU [17:46] lol [17:46] let me do this after the meeting [17:47] oh, right meeting [17:47] take me down for a +1 on everything [17:47] phononlogger: please review the agenda [17:47] except peace with kio [17:47] we are this close to winning the war [17:47] phononlogger: Quintasan applied for kubuntu-dev :P [17:47] and except that [17:47] hurrr [17:48] lol [17:48] :D [17:48] also that is kubuntu devel business not council anyway [17:48] Quintasan: you must get minions [17:48] phononlogger: lol I have two [17:48] Quintasan: who? [17:48] no, three already [17:48] moar!!!! [17:48] shadeslayer: you, and yofel, and Groo volunteerd to work for me as part of Project Neon [17:48] :P [17:49] Quintasan: errr.... im phononlogger's minion [17:49] righto [17:49] groo is no minion [17:49] so i dont count [17:49] Since you work on Project Neon you are mine minion too. [17:49] minions must be assigned by me and only me [17:49] lolwut [17:49] apachelogger-- [17:49] also I need clones of minions for the kio wars effort [17:50] kio wars? [17:50] phononlogger: get rid of KIO i say [17:50] phonon is at war with KIO [17:50] urgh [17:50] This sound like Trouble [17:50] lawl [17:50] Trouble: ^^ [17:50] though we seem to have captured princess connection [17:50] with a bit of luck we might end this dreadful waste of life soon [17:51] * Quintasan this phononlogger got drunk yet again [17:51] thinks* [17:52] drunk with phonon maddness :D [17:52] to win a war, sober one must be [17:52] madness even [17:53] in control of one's feelings one must be [17:53] where is the meeting going to be? [17:53] * stalcup waves too [17:53] stalcup: I get the idea it's going to be here [17:53] okiw Quintasan [17:53] That reminds me, I haven't seen Lex in a while [17:53] Riddell: weird [17:53] Is he on vacation or something? [17:54] Riddell: the private file should be in the appmenu-qt tarball [17:54] shadeslayer: ^^ [17:54] Quintasan: the last i heard of him, he was going to come back [17:54] he did have some work ... and he said he will return soonish [17:54] agateau: qabstractmenubarimpl_p.h is there but qmenubarimpl_p.h is missing [17:54] and this was before UDS ... [17:54] shadeslayer: oh, merges were quite a breeze with him here [17:54] ^_^ [17:55] shadeslayer: I got a few so called PROTIPS from him and I must say they were useful in merging [17:55] Quintasan: please to share :D [17:55] Riddell: ok, let me check [17:56] I hope ScottKshows up so I can annoy him a little bit with the python [17:56] err sip I mean [17:56] shadeslayer: like diff -Nru debian/ is acceptable too :P [17:57] shadeslayer: at first I did it via debdiff and I went through immense numbers of lines of code before seeing the debian/ stuff :P [17:57] Riddell: that's a stupid mistake from me: qmenubarimpl_p.h is not needed, you can remove the include [17:57] ^_^ [17:57] Riddell: I am going to release a new version [17:57] shadeslayer: debian/rules was magic for me back then [17:57] shadeslayer: now I consider Python a magiK [17:57] evil magic [17:57] agateau: groovy [17:58] revu needed http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/appmenu-qt [17:58] hehe [17:58] * stalcup looks [17:59] agateau: am I right in thinking the logic now is this? if no plugin available, qt shows menus as normal. if plugin available qt loads the plugin, plugin checks for dbusmenu client and exports to dbusmenu client if available, else tells qt it isn't used and qt shows menus as normal [17:59] Riddell: yes, that's it [18:00] agateau: clever [18:00] Riddell: might be a good idea to add appmenu-qt as a dependency or suggest of plasma-widget-menubar [18:00] * Quintasan noticed he didn't have to translate the "logic" to understand it as he did before [18:00] got to go [18:00] PROGRESS!! [18:00] agateau: yes i think plasma-widget-menubar should depend on it [18:00] * stalcup ^5 Quintasan [18:00] stalcup: is there a meeting now? [18:01] stalcup: I hope it doesn't get to the point where I think entirely in English [18:01] yes, that wa the most available date [18:01] lol [18:01] neversfelde, phononlogger, JontheEchidna, rgreening, ScottK: council ping [18:02] pong [18:02] pong [18:02] Riddell: take me down for a +1 on everything (execept for me joining kubuntu-dev) [18:03] the () was added by me [18:03] I make a motion to remove apachelogger from his throne :P [18:03] let's go into #ubuntu-meeting [18:03] yofel: ^^ [18:04] Quintasan: you put in Project Neon launch? :P [18:04] yes [18:04] we are so dead .... [18:04] I have a few minor questions to ask [18:04] ok [18:04] everything depends on upstream KDE really [18:05] heya Riddell [18:05]