=== Muzer is now known as MuzerAway [00:14] heya, i've been having issues with kdm ever since testing a beta ppa [00:14] anyone abl;e to help [00:15] !details | sinthetek [00:15] sinthetek: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..." [00:15] i managed to remove most/all of the packages ppa-purge but ever since kdm doesnt' want to let me login [00:15] !ask | Thunderirc [00:15] Thunderirc: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [00:15] ubottu: i'm in the process. [00:15] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [00:15] my b, ubottu :P [00:16] * sinthetek redirects the statement to James147_ [00:16] im running ubuntu server , and i setup the ircd i can connect just fine to the network , but outside users cant any help will be appreciated [00:16] * James147_ redirects sinthetekto ubottu's second statment :) [00:17] Thunderirc: is the IRC port open and forwarded to that server? [00:18] thats just the thing i added it to linksys and its still not working , i just dont get why ubuntu and my network has to use the routers ip [00:19] sinthetek: make sure kubuntu-desktop is installed ^^ that should pullin anything you need... otherwise test a new profile, see if you can log in with thekm [00:20] when i do ifconfig only the 192.168.xx ips show up [00:22] hey does someone got a fujitsu siemens amilo 7400 running 10.10 ? [00:24] yofel did i lose u === ubuntu is now known as d4op [00:24] Thunderirc: well, you're on your local network obviously [00:24] Thunderirc: how are you trying to get others to connect to your ircd [00:24] ? [00:25] after adding a ppa and then removing it (and downgrading (hopefully) all of the related packages, i cannot seem to get past the splash screen upon login. at this point it seems to crash and revert back to kdm. the errors that appear to be most relevant have to do with inability to connect to ibus (which i've tried re-installing) and something related to inotify (which i've also tried reinstalling). i have also tried dpkg-reconfiguring and re-i [00:26] how do i re-install the kde / kubuntu network manager from apt-cache ? [00:26] by mirc ... when i went to the laptop on the same network .. i put the ip in and 6667 and its sayings that port is closed. but i have it port forwarded in linksys router settings [00:26] wait, if you're on the same network the router settings don't matter - the ircd is properly running? [00:26] and listening on 6667? [00:27] yes [00:27] running right now as we speak... services and bnc [00:27] try running nmap on the laptop to see what ports on the server are open [00:27] nmap [00:28] ok [00:28] i've also tried disabling compositing in kwinrc, btw [00:28] Woodzy: the package name is plasma-widget-networkmanagement [00:29] and knm-runtime [00:32] yofel its saying host is down .. may be up but blocking [00:33] then configure the firewall, I fear that I don't know anything about iptables though [00:34] the only firewall that i have up is the linksys [00:34] (%) Welcome to the ThunderIRc IRC Network Thunderirc!email@192.168.1xx.xxx [00:35] see the ip , i never seen an ircd use the routers ip address === guy is now known as Guest32365 [00:38] well, in probably uses the IP that the server has currently, don't know too much about ircds though [00:38] s/in/it/ [00:38] * yofel is off to bed, good night [00:42] * sinthetek tries reinstalling every package on his system [00:43] will apt-get's --purge work in conjunction with --reinstall? [00:44] hy all [00:44] need a litle help pls [00:44] not seeing any errors but not certain it is actually doing it [00:44] how can i install pyrit on my kubuntu maverick¿? [00:44] it works .. [00:44] but u need to do first the 1 later the 2nd [00:45] and than [00:45] --upgrade [00:48] my wireless network device can no longer obtain ip address automatically. is there a way to flush dns? [00:48] or is there something else i need to look at? === ralsina_babysitt is now known as ralsina === michelle is now known as Guest17941 [01:08] my wireless is no longer able to obtain ip address automatically, how can i fix this? [01:21] is there a way to reset my network settings to default, looks like my network-manager-applet changed in the system tray (looks different). === adrian is now known as Guest82419 === Guest82419 is now known as Nistic === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [01:44] can i not connect to an un-encrypted network ? === adrian is now known as Guest80867 === Guest80867 is now known as Nistic [02:05] * Woodzy slaps FloodBotK2 around a bit with a large trout [02:11] I use kubuntu with open-ssh to edit my webserver files. Since upgrading to maverick, I can not paste into the directory. I still can using a lucid client, but not using maverick. I just connect using dolphin. I installed nautilus, and I can paste in sftp using that. Is there a fix for dolphin to be able to paste in to and sftp directory? [02:15] Since upgrading to Maverick, I can't paste into a remote sftp directory using dolphin or konqueror. Is there any fix for this? === drew is now known as Guest21099 [02:22] can anyone explain why kpackagekit crashes on startup ~ http://pastebin.com/C4LZwmRc ? [02:29] i upgraded to the latest kde but it corrupted kpackagekit.. is there any way to fix this? [02:30] just fixed it by installing the latest [02:30] thnx [02:30] im lost here i changed my ip in ubuntu . and now i cant connect to SSH .. what should i do [02:38] is there a way to reinstall the plasma network management widget for kde from the kubuntu disk? mines missing. [02:43] Having issues with two 10.04 systems: Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: mount: only root can mount [02:43] can't mount usb ntfs drives by plugging them in [02:43] added them to fstab and that works but if they aren't plugged in the system won't boot and that won't do. [02:43] plz help been googling for hours lots of people have the issue no one has solved by not modifying fstab [02:52] joebob777as7: you should always be able to mount as root, that is not a fix, just a work around, [02:53] Woodzy: should be able to, however you will have to uncomment out the disk thing in sources.list [03:20] shane4ubuntu not sure what i need to install to get the network-manager plasma widget / applet back ? [03:21] shane4ubuntu, is there a way to set network settings back to default? [03:34] hey im looking for some help compiling java. could anyone give me a hand [03:37] Is there a way to tell Kubuntu to (temporarily) disconnnect a usb device such as a printer? [03:41] @nolstradomis: there's a java #channel or two on freenode. :) [03:43] does kubuntu have a repair installation like windows ? [03:59] any idea on the best way to go about re-installation when you are using the default /home encryption option? [03:59] could you just re-add the users with their passes set to the same thing and have everything in tact? [04:00] or would that re-initialize their encrypted directories overwriting everything that is there? [04:01] s/directories/encrypted-homes [04:02] is omaque supposed to work? [04:09] When I plug in a usb flash drive, the files come up in nautalis. How can I change this to dolphin? [04:23] anyone know of a way to login to an encrypted /home from a liveusb? [04:25] which kubuntu uses kde 4.5? [04:41] sinthetek: cd ~ ? [04:42] poyntz: since when can you use cd to login to anything? [04:46] anyone using kubuntu 10.04 - 64bit? [04:47] c2tarun: i was going to try it [04:48] leenux: Actually I was facing a problem, kubuntu don't have gcc preinstalled in it. And I need gcc compiler to install my lan driver. Without LAN driver I can access internet. If you try Can you please download the deb file for gcc from repository and give it to me? [04:54] why there is no gcc provided in kubuntu? [04:54] c2tarun: you sure? that sounds weird [04:55] what distro are you using now? [04:55] c2tarun: i am not running kubuntu at the moment [04:55] gcc should be in the repository... have you installed synaptic? I always install that even though the de is not gnome [04:55] leenux: ok does ur distro directly detect ur LAN Card in your current distro? [04:56] lan ethernet you mean, right? not wifi card [04:56] leenux: yup [04:56] yes, it detects my lan but it's an open source one... atheros [04:56] what's your lan card? do you know the chipset? [04:56] i used to have a realtek one before with a previous mobo and it was detected too before [04:56] mine is also atheros but I need to install AR81 family driver from outside [04:57] but i switcheed motherboards and now it's atheros and automatically detected and this is in debian! [04:57] debian is more strict now [04:57] really?!? [04:57] I m using ubuntu and it don't detect. After installing the driver it gets detected and after then I can use internet. [04:58] that's odd. [04:58] which atheros is it again? they all should be detected though by now [04:59] is it a notebook? [05:00] oh, AR81... maybe you should google the family and select the options in google for most recent hits or findings [05:02] actually i have the driver :( problem is to install that driver I need gcc compiler [05:02] c2tarun: what driver [05:03] AR81 family driver for lan ethernet [05:04] notebook or desktop? [05:04] it's possible if it's a new atheros chip, it's not yet in the kernel yet [05:04] shouldn't have to compile [05:04] dell inspiron N4010 (laptop) [05:05] ya its a new laptop [05:05] ahhh [05:05] any suggestions :( I liked kde so want to use kubuntu [05:05] hmmm..google that chipset... and add 'atheros' + 'linux'' [05:05] see what you come up with [05:06] you can try kubuntu but you should just use live cds or dvds until one detects [05:06] I've booted from liveCD and all desktop enviropment entire big menu, how can I get regular desktop? [05:06] if it's same situation then it's because it's a new lan chipset [05:06] my guess [05:06] sorry but what do you mean by chipset? my laptop model? [05:06] no the chipset of the lan card [05:07] it's atheros ar81xxxxx where xxxx are numbers [05:07] i think command lspci should show it [05:07] ok wait [05:09] mine shows AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 [05:09] leenux: driver is available. but its not in debian format. And I have to install it by compiling [05:09] mine is AR8152 [05:11] how to use a phone as a modem over bluetooth [05:11] does kubuntu maverick support it [05:13] c2tarun: i dont know... i think atheros needs to support that chip [05:13] c2tarun: it is a common problem for your chip [05:13] I am searching... wait for some time [05:14] apparle: sorry, no idea [05:14] sure apparle thanx :) [05:14] probably because these notebooks get very recent lan chips not to mention recent wifi chipsets unless it's intel [05:14] c2tarun: see if this helps.... net is slow so I can't see that page http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1505697.html [05:15] c2tarun: if nothing else you can compile the driver, but lets search for a simpler solution first [05:16] #twil [05:18] where's the official vlc channel? [05:18] apparle:sure [05:18] !vlc [05:18] Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS2 (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based). Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs [05:18] !info vlc [05:18] vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4-1ubuntu1.2 (maverick), package size 1998 kB, installed size 4512 kB [05:19] grr [05:19] wat would be great [05:19] poyntz: hey where can we get these xchat/IRC commands [05:19] c2tarun: ? [05:19] poyntz: like !vlc or !info vlc what are these? [05:20] wat would be great is if audio in dragon automatically output to HDMI when a HDMI cable was attached.. [05:20] c2tarun: commands for ubottu [05:20] !help > c2tarun [05:20] c2tarun, please see my private message [05:20] c2tarun: it seems you will have to compile [05:20] apparle: how can we do that? [05:20] does the computer in question connected to net [05:21] by wifi etc [05:21] no, I tried everything but internet is not accesible in any way [05:21] go to this webpage c2tarun....... [05:22] http://askubuntu.com/questions/16953/need-wired-driver-for-an-atheros-ar8152 [05:22] it looks like a wip [05:22] !xchat | c2tarun [05:22] a yucky hack but probably have to do some tweak to get it to work for now :-/ [05:22] !info xchat | c2tarun [05:22] c2tarun: xchat (source: xchat): IRC client for X similar to AmIRC. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.8.8-1ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 312 kB, installed size 840 kB [05:22] c2tarun: so yeh.. its just a client.. these commands aren't specific to it [05:22] c2tarun: im running irssi [05:23] poyntz: I can see ubottu commands :( [05:25] c2tarun: is there anyway you can connect it to internet.... maybe a wireless modem [05:25] c2tarun: type !help commands [05:26] actually for wifi I have a broadcom wifi card. but first I have to connect to internet via LAN and then install its driver and then only I can connect to internet. [05:27] c2tarun: actually that doesn't work... i dunno haha [05:27] i'll be right back in 5 mins [05:28] sorry [05:40] apparle: u there? [06:12] good morning! [06:14] Could I ask someone nifty to make a .deb package of Keyboard Layout Editor for me? I tried to compile it but it failed. :( I can provide you link with instructions :) === nuboon2age is now known as nUboon2Age === laptop is now known as Guest23826 [07:34] Hi [07:34] anyone here? [07:34] I just installed Kubuntu [07:35] Hi Chrise [07:35] and Armi [07:35] Storm_: welcome [07:35] Thanks [07:35] can you help me with 1 simple question please on Kubuntu [07:35] hey [07:35] what's up? what you trying to achieve? [07:36] you know like on windows and mac os x and ubuntu [07:36] you can drag your mouse on the desktop and makea box to select several icons [07:36] well I cant do that on Kubuntu [07:36] its a simple feature every OS seems to have [07:36] that works fine for me in my folder view widget... [07:36] there must be a way for kubuntu [07:37] you should be able to, i can on my desktop folder [07:37] this is a pretty fresh 10.10 installation [07:37] you mean in the desktop folder or on the desktop itself? [07:37] the desktop itself [07:37] Storm_: sounds like you begin the select action outside the folderview widget [07:37] i just instealled 10.10 also [07:38] how are you having any icons on the desktop? [07:38] i have no iceons on desktop yet [07:38] me neither [07:38] see where it says Desktop Folder in a lighter blue box? [07:38] your files and any launchers you want to add would go in there [07:38] drawing a box works fine in it [07:39] i clicked out of it [07:39] so i just have a blank desotp [07:39] oh. well then you either need to add it back to be able to have those there or you have to go to the desktop properties and change it so the entire desktop is a folder view [07:40] (in which case i dont think youd be able to have widgets on the desktop, though im not quite sure) [07:40] hmm [07:40] this is new to me too [07:40] I did a right click on desotp [07:40] and hit add panel [07:40] now how do i remove it sorry lol [07:40] don't do pointy clicky file management usually [07:41] i fixed the panel problem [07:41] poke around a bit, you'll get the hang of the widgets :) [07:42] yea its strange though how by default i can not use a box and select icons on the desktop. every linux distro and operating system lets you do this :-( [07:42] i dont like widgets never used them on any OS [07:43] you can use a box... [07:43] its just that by default you dont have the icons scattered ALL OVER the desktop. instead they are nicely held in a little scrollable box [07:43] k [07:43] I just installed google earth now dont knwo where it installed [07:44] and the search does not find it either but it says it installed [07:44] sorry im a newb kinda [07:45] type alt-f2 then googleearth into the box and if it installed properly, it'll run [07:46] k thanks its not running [07:46] then the Kubuntu packagae manager lied to me when it said its installed [07:46] or it crashed when it tried to run [07:47] the last few releases google has had have done that :-/ [07:47] do you have a directory called .googleearth? [07:47] is there a crash report in it? [07:47] i type in google earth in the search and the search should search the whole hard drive like windows right? [07:47] search shows nothing also [07:47] no space [07:47] yea i did not use space [07:47] Storm_: it may not have indexed it yet... [07:47] k maybe i have to restart then [07:48] its not a restart thing [07:48] files are indexed systemwide daily [07:48] that's a very windows way of doing things [07:48] and then for the desktop search...i dont know if you have it turned on or not [07:48] doing it via the alt-f2 box will find it if it's on the path [07:48] so what should be my next step in fixing this problem [07:48] yea i did the alt f2 and type in googleearth nothing happens [07:48] but the package manager says google earth is installed and there is a button to hit remove [07:49] ok, log out and log in again [07:49] there should be no need to reboot though [07:49] shouldnt need to log out either [07:49] if it instealld right will it be under my programs menu [07:49] well you could start a terminal session and run it from there, to pick up anychanges in your path [07:50] i installed it from google's webpage not hte package manager (because package manager just pulls google's latest, which was broken and simply crashed at the time), but i ended up with a google-earth directory in my home dir [07:50] do you have that? [07:50] it does show in my menu [07:50] it says [07:51] google earth package [07:51] all it says [07:51] 0.5.7 [07:52] does it say what the package's actual name is? i think its just googleearth ... you could try typing "dpkg -L googleearth" on the command line to get a list of files it installed [07:56] I fixed it. I just went to googles website and installed in manually [07:56] instead of the Kpackage manager [07:57] omg its installed and i open up the program now it doesnt work [07:57] sigh [07:57] it loads and then it just goes away [08:00] thanks for the help guys I appreciate it. I have google earth installed now and it opens up and loads then just closes. I used linux a few years back and I was hoping things have changed but its all stayed the same. Im going back to windows. If a smiple program like google earth does not even work there is no sense for me even trying to use linux as I need this program. Thanks again for the help. Maybe I will try linux in another 5 years [08:01] lol [08:14] what do i do if my mouse is frozen? [08:15] is there any keycombination that I may hit to see if the system comes back to life? [08:18] shiii i something smells burn and it wont turn on [08:19] it turnned back on [08:20] I'm having this issue with kmix: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3112567.0 - Killing it and restarting it works like a charm, for a few hours, then it starts lagging again. [08:20] Saw kde bug 237239 but i dont think it consumes as much memory as the bug claim for me so that might be different [08:21] KDE bug 237239 in Backend: Pulseaudio "Kmix memory leak in 4 4 2" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=237239 [08:21] any idea what's wrong? [09:09] efi [09:18] how do I generate an additional locale? "dpkg-reconfigure locales" just says 'up to date' [09:19] jtheuer: if you install related lang-pack, locale will be generated automatically === david is now known as Guest61726 [09:25] Tm_T: I want the select dialog because I need a specific additional locale [09:25] !locales [09:25] To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf [09:25] jtheuer: ^ === batty is now known as battyrgv [09:28] thanks a lot [09:28] I still don't know how to get back to this debconf dialog where I could select locales but 'locale-gen' worked === thebug_ is now known as the-bug [09:49] hi all!!! [09:49] any bodies there? [10:18] how can i get on my kubuntu desktop from my laptop when I'm not home? [10:20] Do you want a remote graphical session? [10:21] yes [10:22] You can try out nomachine an Italian product or maybe VNC. [10:23] What OS does you laptop have? [10:23] win7/kubuntu [10:25] Ok, when running kubuntu on your laptop you can ssh -X to you desktop and run any GUI application remotely as well. Very handy. [10:26] hi all? [10:26] anyone no how to fix internal sd cardreader? [10:27] ecinx3, not sure if my comments are helpful? you may be new? [10:27] i donwloaded desktop sharing [10:27] very new!!! lol [10:28] sory thought u ment me!!! [10:28] it says VNC [10:28] no prob the-bug [10:28] so ill just get tight vnc for windows , hopefully it works [10:29] Where did you get desktop sharing? [10:29] kpackagekit [10:30] ok, I am just looking now at kpackagekit for description. [10:30] http://www.kde.org/applications/system/krfb/ [10:31] couldn't find the package you mentioned? [10:31] by name is krfb [10:31] description desktop sharing [10:32] OK, KDE wrapper for VNC, looks good. [10:32] i can see that ecinx3 and hotmanta are very busy, anyone else out there for a bit of info? [10:32] pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze? [10:32] the-bug: I'm new too [10:33] lol! i no how u feel!!! [10:33] i didn't see the ssh -X until now. can you elaborate? [10:34] in my data structures class they told me i need to ssh to the school computer and compile there. [10:34] OK, ssh -X allows remote computer to render the xwindows application. [10:35] that's only if i go from kubuntu to kubuntu? [10:35] come back later bye all!!! [10:35] yes, linux remote computer to linux computer. [10:36] that's fine too because in windows i also have a kubuntu vbox [10:37] the -X part allow the remote computer to tunnel the screen info over ssh protocol.. [10:37] nice [10:37] i don't need any software? [10:38] just get on the terminal and type ssh -X ip.ip.ip.ip ? [10:39] no special software, very handy to run a single app remotely like dolphin file manger for example. [10:39] specifically i want to use kile [10:39] to use is ssh -X ip.ip.ip.ip then type the app name like kate for text editor. [10:40] what is kile? [10:40] the kubuntu in my laptop 11.04 kile doesn't do the abbrevs [10:41] in my desktop it works fine. and the 11.05 is not in the package manager, and I think i didn't compile it correctly so it crashes within a minute of use [10:41] kile is a LaTeX editor based on kate [10:41] ok try it , and see how you go, might work for you. [10:42] Could I ask someone nifty to make a .deb package of Keyboard Layout Editor for me? I tried to compile it but it failed. :( I can provide you link with instructions :) [10:42] i know almsot any editor handles LaTeX fine, but I need to do some math formulas and i can type it faster using the macros and stuff [10:43] ok sounds like you need a niffty editor for you studies. [10:45] im trying to configure emacs for that, but it will take a while, the way kile works it reads off a file called cwl and it applies the stuff from there.. in emacs you need to use skeleton or a program called Yassnippet, and you have to do each macro one at a time. while as the cwl is one big file [10:46] didn't know about these cwl files, sounds niffty. [10:48] yeah, i couldnt find info on that cwl stuff really, but it works [10:49] http://www.cds.caltech.edu/~fastex/ftp/docs/users_guide/ if you ever need to type latex math you may want to consider this [10:50] only if you doing at least 5 pages, otherwise you can just click on the math symbols and not worry about learning a synhtax [10:51] did a google on cwl kate editor and looked in the kile handbook to see what you mean. [10:52] seems like the kile peole reimplimented fastex to cwl file [10:53] i mean for any other progamming language snippest work jsut fine , if else , getters ,setters, [10:53] but theres a code for every math symbole and then it gets complicated when you do an integral from -infinity to positive inifinity .... [10:55] right, I don't need to use latex, but my friend used to use it. Derived for TEX wriiten by the guru donald kunuth [10:56] sorry, Donald Knuth, my mistake in speeling his name. [10:56] don't know who wrote it, but yeah i knew it came from TeX [10:56] sorry, I have fat fingers. [10:56] I replaced microsoft word and open office for LaTeX [10:56] looks much nicer.. [10:57] Yeah Donald is a real software guru, he would pay people who could find bugs in the TEX program [10:58] nice [10:58] It is the most bug free program in thw world. [10:58] but i dont think plain ol' TeX is used anymore [10:59] mostly LaTeX , then XeTeX and some other stuff which all came from TeX [10:59] may be not just mentioned it as my friend was really into it and donald's book about programming. [11:00] compared to a 'real' programming language, it's easy to learn [11:00] ok, so you use it quite a bit? [11:01] and then just use a reference for any keywords [11:01] I started 2 months ago [11:01] people know it for math and science [11:01] but the main thing is to make PDFs [11:02] so if you write a document instead of .doc or .txt it will be pdf and look nice [11:03] it does this for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typesetting [11:03] I will take a look, I have started using BasKet for my documenation. [11:04] WOW [11:04] I just download that program 15 minuts ago [11:04] really that is freaky. [11:19] yw.. [11:22] search google for "how to display xwindows app ssh -X" and there are some videos to watch, they may help. [11:23] k thx [11:25] no prob, good talking to you. [11:40] do you know how to download a directory from the internet? [11:45] a directory, please provide more info [11:45] http://www.rsriv.ece.ufl.edu/F10/ [11:46] you want all these files? wget or curl may help you here? [11:47] how do you do that? [11:48] wget -r http://www.rsriv.ece.ufl.edu/F10/ [11:48] oh do i type where i want to save it to? [11:49] nevermind it worked thansk [11:50] Try cd ~/Downloads;wget -r http://www.rsriv.ece.ufl.edu/F10/ [11:51] thanks [11:51] I'm repeating this class, I forgot to download these files the first time around [11:52] cool [11:53] hopefully i get at least a B+ this time [11:56] good luck! [11:56] thaks [11:57] * y0m6uy is away: Indisponible actuellement [12:05] * y0m6uy is back. [12:05] what's the command to updtate my system? [12:06] apt-get upgrade dist ... [12:17] I use apt-get update;aptitude -y dist-upgrade "hint, you may need to apt-get install aptitude first" [12:19] Will need to be root or place use sudo "sudo apt-get update;sudo aptitude -y dist-upgrade" [12:20] hope this helps, I need to go now, bye ecinx3. [12:20] thanks [12:34] just noticed that in system monitor the network history does not display anything. I'm using kubuntu 10.04. [12:35] *10.10 [12:35]