[19:22] <phil_> Hey every one. Can any take a second to help me? I'm having some Lubuntu issues...
[19:23] <johnny77> I'm working on setting up a Openbox session, but I'm having trouble getting Dropbox to load in the /home/jdmcclung/.config/openbox/autostart.sh. It loads if I login to LXDE, but not Openbox.
[19:24] <johnny77> phil_: Fill free to throw out your question... I'm pretty new, but maybe I can help.
[19:25] <phil_> I've installed Ubuntu Ultimate Edition 2.8, but it didn't come with the other versions, so I manually chose to install Lubuntu myself. Well, I think that I may have done something wrong because every time I sign into it, it only gives me SOME of my desktop... ie, missing taskbar, title bar, etc...
[19:25] <phil_> Did I do something wrong, or does it just sound like I have a glitchy system?
[19:25] <johnny77> how did you install Lubuntu?
[19:26] <phil_> I looked up the code and installled it through a terminal.
[19:26] <phil_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp
[19:26] <phil_> I used that site.
[19:27] <phil_> Any ideas? :(
[19:28] <johnny77> try just typing: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[19:29] <johnny77> also did you try to remove Ubuntu once Lubuntu was installed?
[19:29] <phil_> Even though it's already "technically" installed?
[19:29] <phil_> No. I'm wanting to have both of them.
[19:29] <phil_> Different purposes for both.
[19:30] <phil_> Once upon a time I had both, plus more installed. It was nice... :P
[19:31] <johnny77> I would try to install again. it sounds that it wasn't all installed.
[19:31] <johnny77> Make sure you are loging into Lubuntu and not openbox.
[19:31] <phil_> SHould I uninstall it first, and if so, how?
[19:32] <johnny77> no need to uninstall. If things were missed it will only install them.
[19:33] <phil_> And that won't get rid of regular ol' Ubuntu UE?
[19:33] <johnny77> nope.
[19:34] <phil_> Awesome. I'll give that a shot. Did you see that link that I posted?
[19:34] <phil_> This is what I did...
[19:34] <phil_> Install Lubuntu from Ubuntu or any Ubuntu flavors
[19:34] <phil_> You can install on any installed version of Ubuntu by adding the lubuntu ppa and then installing lubuntu:
[19:34] <phil_> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
[19:34] <phil_> sudo apt-get update
[19:34] <phil_> sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop
[19:35] <phil_> I'm still semi-trying to get used to Ubuntu vs... *YUK* Windows... lol. Slow conversion...
[19:35] <johnny77> I would try just "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop"
[19:36] <johnny77> I'm not sure what "--no-install-recommends" means. I'd leave it out when you try to install again.
[19:37] <phil_> Yeah. That seems like it'd make sense. Gonna try it right now. I'll probably have to restart at some point, but I'll come back in here when it's all done to let you know how it went.
[19:39] <phil_> Nevermind... I might actually have to uninstall it first... This is what I just got...
[19:39] <phil_> Reading package lists... Done
[19:39] <phil_> Building dependency tree
[19:39] <phil_> Reading state information... Done
[19:39] <phil_> lubuntu-desktop is already the newest version.
[19:39] <phil_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 219 not upgraded.
[19:39] <johnny77> that sounds to me that everything is already installed.
[19:40] <johnny77> what exactly is happening when you login to Lubuntu?
[19:41] <phil_> Sometimes my taskbar is missing. Sometimes there's just no way to sign out. I never get to have my window borders. So, a lot of fun stuff...
[19:42] <phil_> Btw, I appreciate you taking time to help me. Thanks.
[19:43] <johnny77> no problem. I'm afraid that your problem may be outside my knowledge. If your taskbar is SOMETIMES missing, I'm don't know what would cause that.
[19:44] <phil_> Maybe I should try uninstalling it, and then reinstalling it the correct way. The way that I did it originally seemed kinda strange.
[19:44] <johnny77> what are your options when you login?
[19:45] <johnny77> Is there anything else other than Ubuntu and Lubuntu in which to login?
[19:46] <phil_> I get the Ubuntu UE login screen and I have the typical sign in options. Ie Ubuntu UE + recovery mode, openbox, lubuntu, lubuntu netbook edition, etc.
[19:47] <phil_> Is there a way to uninstall it? I could just try that and touch bases with you to let ya know if it worked after I reinstall it the correct way.
[19:47] <johnny77> Not trying to be dumb, but you are sure your logging into Lubuntu each time?
[19:47] <phil_> Yeah. :P
[19:48] <phil_> Done it many times in the past. Doing it the same way, only difference is that UE came with it before.
[19:48] <johnny77> Are you in Lubuntu now?
[19:48] <phil_> No. UE
[19:49] <johnny77> ok, open terminal type: sudo aptitude remove lubuntu-destop
[19:50] <phil_> sudo: aptitude: command not found :(
[19:52] <johnny77> ok try: sudo apt-get remove lubuntu-desktop
[19:53] <phil_> YAY! Removing! lol
[19:54] <phil_> And if it goes back to the origional text when you first open a terminal, it's done? name@computername:~$
[19:56] <johnny77> yes
[19:56] <phil_> Okay. I'm going to try reinstalling it now.
[19:56] <johnny77> ok, what are you typing?
[19:57] <phil_> I just put this in: sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[19:57] <johnny77> just checking :)
[19:57] <phil_> lol. Understandable.
[19:57] <phil_> I need to restart, but I'll come back into here afterward just to feed any curiosity you might have as to how it went.
[19:57] <r00t4rd3d> how the heck you rename desktop icons ?
[20:00] <bioterror> r00t4rd3d, you edit the .desktop -file?
[20:01] <r00t4rd3d> ive tried it all
[20:01] <bioterror> just a moment
[20:01] <bioterror> I'll make myself one
[20:01] <r00t4rd3d> lol , i cant believe its not as simple as right click , rename
[20:02] <bioterror> open with leafpad
[20:02] <r00t4rd3d> ahhhh
[20:02] <r00t4rd3d> wow thats stupid :D
[20:03] <bioterror> and change the Name=fooo to something
[20:04] <bioterror> technically if you choose from right click rename, it should edit the file ;)
[20:04] <r00t4rd3d> its doesnt
[20:04] <r00t4rd3d> tried as root an all
[20:05] <bioterror> yeah, that kind of feature is missing
[20:05] <bioterror> gilir, you there?
[20:05] <gilir> bioterror, yes ?
[20:05] <bioterror> you just need to edit that file
[20:05] <bioterror> sad157@dopethrone:~% cp /usr/share/applications/singularity.desktop Desktop
[20:06] <bioterror> renaming that singularity to something else, needs tweaking the .desktop -files Name= -section
[20:06] <bioterror> is it possible that it could somehow to be done with right click and rename
[20:07] <r00t4rd3d> ru guys lu devs ?
[20:07] <bioterror> I am not
[20:09] <r00t4rd3d> hmmm , OCD , I renamed Chromium Web Browser to Chrome , but when I select it , the shaded selection box is huge like it still has the old name
[20:10] <r00t4rd3d> know what i mean ?
[20:10] <r00t4rd3d> ahh now it shrunk
[20:10] <r00t4rd3d> weird
[20:12] <r00t4rd3d> okay , nother stupid Q , whats the 12 hour time format ?
[20:12] <r00t4rd3d> googled , nothing.
[20:12] <phil_> Well, Johnny... Still the same results. Might just be glitchy on my system. I think that later I'm just gonna see if I can remove it and partition off some more of my hard drive somehow to install Lubuntu separately.
[20:12] <bioterror> %h:%M%p
[20:12] <bioterror> if I remember right
[20:13] <r00t4rd3d> LOL
[20:13] <r00t4rd3d> nope
[20:13] <johnny77> phil_: Sorry.
[20:13] <r00t4rd3d> it says jan:13PM
[20:13] <bioterror> yes
[20:13] <bioterror> as I'm european, I use 24h ;)
[20:14] <johnny77> phil_: That's weird. I wouldn't think you'd have to partition your HD for Lubuntu.
[20:14] <r00t4rd3d> Only ones in USA use 24 is the military
[20:14] <phil_> Yeah... Worth trying though. Do you know if partitioning part of the hard drive in Windows will affect the boot loader in any negative ways?
[20:15] <bioterror> r00t4rd3d, http://linux.die.net/man/3/strftime
[20:17] <r00t4rd3d> wow , should it be this difficult ?
[20:17] <johnny77> phil_: I was looking up something about Ubuntu UE and it may because of it that Lubuntu is messing up.
[20:18] <johnny77> phil_: I'm not good with partitioning...  sorry.
[20:18] <phil_> Oh, really?!
[20:18] <phil_> What's the actual cause? DId you find that out?
[20:20] <johnny77> phil_: I'm not sure, but did a quick google search and found a page that says UE 2.7 includes Environments Gnome, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, but UE 2.8 only shows Gnome for it's Environments
[20:21] <phil_> YEah, I know. I have a copy of 2.7, but decided to get the latest. My mistake... I've had 2.7 in the past.
[20:22] <phil_> Might be a compatibility issue... Damn...
[20:22] <r00t4rd3d> bioterror, lol %R 24hour %r 12hour
[20:22] <phil_> Well, at least I'm getting some good answers. That would make sense...
[20:22] <bioterror> I use %H:%M
[20:24] <r00t4rd3d> so renaming an icon and setting 12 hour only took me an hour :/
[20:24] <r00t4rd3d> guess how long ive used linux :/
[20:24] <bioterror> 12hour?
[20:24] <r00t4rd3d> 12years
[20:24] <bioterror> :D
[20:24] <bioterror> I started too 1998
[20:25] <r00t4rd3d> thats about what year i started
[20:25] <bioterror> yeah, I did the math :D
[20:25] <phil_> Last year for me, and only off and on. :P
[20:25] <r00t4rd3d> stupid mandrake
[20:25] <johnny77> I just started a couple of months ago :)
[20:25] <bioterror> mandrake had some sort of package management
[20:25] <r00t4rd3d> rpm
[20:26] <phil_> lol
[20:26] <bioterror> r00t4rd3d, I mean something like apt-get, not dpkg
[20:26] <bioterror> I remember how I was excited about Mandrake after using RedHat 5.2 and 6.0
[20:27] <phil_> Well, thanks for the advice, Johnny. I'm gonna head out and get something to eat. Probably gonna attempt partitioning my hdd later for a second time... Wish me luck.
[20:27] <bioterror> phil_, what are you trying to do?
[20:27] <r00t4rd3d> never used red hat , coundnt get it to install at the time
[20:27] <johnny77> phil_: See ya, sorry I couldn't help.
[20:28] <phil_> I'm running Ubuntu UE, but also would like the resource management that Lubuntu has to offer. Plus it's good for demo comparisons when trying to convince people to turn away from Windows or Mac. lol
[20:28] <phil_> But yeah. Take care.
[20:29] <bioterror> resource management? :o
[20:29] <bioterror> ultimate editions webpage is something horrible
[20:29] <phil_> Lubuntu is quite a bit lighter than  Ubuntu UE 2.8. Oh, and one last note. You did help. Kinda gave me some answers anyway. So, yeah. Thank you. See ya later.
[20:30] <bioterror> I bet that guy who makes the layout is a color blinded or something
[20:30] <Timo_> lol bioterror so true :P
[20:30] <r00t4rd3d> wow that is a horrible layout
[20:31] <bioterror> yeah the drop menu :D
[20:31] <bioterror> unreadable
[20:31] <Timo_> and the UE itselve
[20:31] <Timo_> the blue theme, I'd just say: I'm not attracted to it
[20:31] <Timo_> :DF
[20:31] <bioterror> hahahaha
[20:31] <bioterror> I dont want to say anything bad but
[20:31] <Timo_> blue+yellow+white
[20:31] <Timo_> :S
[20:31] <Timo_> "more eyecandy"
[20:31] <bioterror> maybe he should do something else than think about making "neat looking desktops"
[20:32] <Timo_> just take a normal Ubuntu and turn on the effects
[20:32] <r00t4rd3d> http://ultimateedition.info/Ultimate_Edition_2.8/8.png
[20:32] <r00t4rd3d> wtf is that
[20:32] <Timo_> oh wait, we're here in the support channel
[20:32] <Timo_> maybe we should tyalk in -offtopic :P
[20:32] <Timo_> r00t4rd3d: #lubuntu-offtopic nice channel to hang around :)
[20:33] <r00t4rd3d> aww is this chan as anal as #ubuntu ?
[20:33] <bioterror> r00t4rd3d, hahahaha, 20th century just called to be and asked if I can send that desktop back to them
[20:33] <bioterror> s/be/me/
[20:34] <r00t4rd3d> i can see why i never heard of UE
[20:34] <Timo_> r00t4rd3d: well I don't know how 'anal' #ubuntu is, but well, it's just that this channel is being logged, and that some people don't like it when there is offtopic stuff between the 'useful stuff'
[20:35] <r00t4rd3d> if you said anal in #ubuntu = kick/ban
[20:35] <bioterror> I've invited r00t4rd3d to offtopic ;)
[20:39] <r00t4rd3d> oh i see why that dude in Tuscon went postal
[20:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70B5ZL20110112
[20:39] <bioterror> hey r00t4rd3d join #lubuntu-offtopic
[20:51] <Neosano> hello, I undecorated my browser window, how to decorate it back?
[20:51] <bioterror> chromium?
[20:51] <Neosano> no, minefield
[20:52] <Neosano> it acts like any other window
[20:52] <Neosano> what is the shortcut for that menu with Maximize, Minimize, Decorate and other buttons?
[20:54] <bioterror> lxappearance?
[20:54] <bioterror> nope
[20:54] <Neosano> hmmm? whaat?
[20:54] <bioterror> you want that openbox configuration manager
[20:55] <Neosano> noo
[20:55] <Neosano> if you right click on the top corner of any window there is a menu
[20:55] <Neosano> Send to desktop, Layer, Restore, Move and etc.
[20:55] <bioterror> yeah
[20:55] <Neosano> I clicked Un/Decorate button
[20:56] <Neosano> now I can't decorate it back, because it dissapeared
[20:56] <Neosano> I mean the top thing
[20:56] <bioterror> yeah
[20:56] <Neosano> so.. hooow? :D
[20:56] <bioterror> close it and start again
[20:56] <Neosano> that's how I always do
[20:56] <Neosano> but there's must be better solution :D
[20:57] <Neosano> there was some shortcut for this menu to appear
[20:57] <bioterror> yes
[20:57] <bioterror> when you move cursor to the edge of that window
[20:57] <bioterror> you can press mouse button 2 (right ;)
[20:57] <Neosano> ah to the edge
[20:57] <bioterror> and you get
[20:57] <Neosano> yeaah it worked
[20:57] <Neosano> lol :D
[20:57] <Neosano> thank you
[20:57] <bioterror> np
[20:58] <bioterror> it was too simple :D
[21:15] <bioterror> oh well, good night all ;)
[21:27] <Neosano> good night :)
[21:29] <kosaidpo_> hello guys
[21:29] <kosaidpo_> why eveytime i try to install sumthin it suggest me a bunch of packages how ican avoid this ??
[21:42] <AndrewMC> kosaidpo_: well what those other packages are dependencies, the allow whatever your installing to work
[21:43] <kosaidpo_> Andrewinfact it suggest me to group of packages hang on
[21:43] <AndrewMC> kosaidpo_: are you trying to install from terminal or something else?
[21:44] <kosaidpo_> yeh
[21:44] <kosaidpo_> look http://pastebin.com/KEV4ZN9Y
[21:45] <AndrewMC> well it will only install what it says "Will be installed:" the others are just what it is suggesting to install as well
[21:45] <kosaidpo_> so it ill be installed then
[21:46] <AndrewMC> only what is under "The following extra packages will be installed:"
[21:46] <AndrewMC> actually no...
[21:46]  * AndrewMC hits himself over the head
[21:46]  * kosaidpo_ LOST :P
[21:47] <AndrewMC> only what is under "The following NEW packages will be installed:" is what is going to be installed
[21:47] <AndrewMC> kosaidpo_: sorry that ^^^ is what i meant to say
[21:48] <kosaidpo_> AndrewMC: okies thnaks cus i hate this and to install bucnh of packages
[21:49] <AndrewMC> well all the ones that its going to install are the packages that allow what your installing to work... it is just listing them out for you
[21:50] <kosaidpo_> yeh i kn it need some dep
[21:50] <kosaidpo_> thanks
[21:50] <AndrewMC> no problem
[22:44] <mark76> Will there be any new themes/wallpaper for 11.04?
[22:44] <ChrisDruif> How do you mean mark76? For Lubuntu or Ubuntu in general?
[22:45] <mark76> Lubuntu
[22:47] <ChrisDruif> I don't know, I would however like it if there would be a theme similar to Ubuntu's :)
[22:47] <ChrisDruif> I don't know if you can take a Gnome theme and use it in LXDE
[22:48] <mark76> You can't
[22:48] <mark76> Completely different window managers
[22:49] <mark76> Openbox doesn't do round
[22:49] <mark76> For that you need something like Icewm, fluxbox or pekwm
[22:49] <ChrisDruif> It's only stacking window manager, I know...
[22:49] <ChrisDruif> LXDE uses Openbox by default?
[22:50] <mark76> Yes
[22:51] <mark76> Didn't you notice?
[22:51] <mark76> The Openbox Configuration Manager entry in the menu
[22:52] <ChrisDruif> I mean LXDE doesn't have it's own wm?
[22:52] <mark76> Nope
[22:52] <mark76> Maybe someone should write one
[22:52] <ChrisDruif> Which would be an awesome lightweight compositing wm, with stacking :P
[22:52] <mark76> See! That's the first step
[22:53] <ChrisDruif> I might give it a go someday....not now or this year :P
[22:53] <ChrisDruif> stacking should be tiling (A)
[22:53] <mark76> What about both?
[22:54] <ChrisDruif> Stacking is already part of compositing wm :)
[22:55] <ChrisDruif> Tiling not so much :)
[22:55] <mark76> True
[22:55] <mark76> Can you code?
[22:56] <ChrisDruif> A bit :)
[22:56] <mark76> Waht languages?
[22:56] <mark76> What
[22:56] <ChrisDruif> Java <_<" But want to learn Genie :D
[22:57] <mark76> I don't think a WM written in Java would really fit in with the Lubuntu ethos
[22:58] <ChrisDruif> I hate Java <_<" (hence that thingy :P)
[22:58] <ChrisDruif> But Genie is frinkin
[22:58] <ChrisDruif> ' awesome :)
[22:58] <ChrisDruif> It has a syntax similar to python (aka easy/clean) but compiles to C :D
[22:58] <mark76> Is it light?
[22:59] <mark76> Sounds good
[22:59] <ChrisDruif> It's blazing fast compiled :D
[22:59] <ChrisDruif> So yeah, a Genie WM would be LXDE/Lubuntu ethos right O:-)
[23:00] <mark76> That's cool :D
[23:00] <mark76> LXWM?
[23:00] <ChrisDruif> Yeah, but like I said...coming year I'll won't be using it..
[23:00] <mark76> How come?
[23:00] <ChrisDruif> That's what I wondered....why Openbox and not LXWM
[23:00] <ChrisDruif> using=coming
[23:00] <mark76> Because no one has written LXWM yet
[23:01] <ChrisDruif> Ow...it's just proposed? :P :D
[23:01] <mark76> Yes
[23:01] <mark76> By me
[23:01] <ChrisDruif> Ow....didn't know that :)
[23:01] <ChrisDruif> Good idea...what has no-one been working on it?
[23:02] <ChrisDruif> what=why...
[23:02] <ChrisDruif> Damn...too many beers :)
[23:02] <mark76> Because, I imagine, that no one has actually thought of it before
[23:04] <mark76> It took Gnome till about 2.2 before it got Metacity
[23:04] <ChrisDruif> Maybe everybody thought people were working on it? (Like I?)
[23:04] <mark76> I don't even know what version LXDE is on
[23:06] <mark76> If someone was working on a LXDE WM they'd have announced it somewhere
[23:06] <ChrisDruif> According to Wikipedia: preview 0.5.0
[23:06] <ChrisDruif> I might have a crack at it....now knowing nobody is working on it :)
[23:06] <mark76> See! Not even v.1.0 yet
[23:07] <mark76> Does your log in page have an openbox session entry?
[23:07] <mark76> Under sessions
[23:07] <ChrisDruif> Not using Lubuntu atm O:-)
[23:07] <mark76> Ah right
[23:07] <ChrisDruif> But I'd like to switch though.... :D
[23:07] <ChrisDruif> Lightweight FTW :D
[23:07] <mark76> What are you using?
[23:08] <ChrisDruif> Ubuntu/Gnome...
[23:09] <mark76> What's stopping you from running LXDE/Lubuntu alongside Gnome?
[23:10] <ChrisDruif> Yeah, your right <_<"
[23:10] <ChrisDruif> Anyhow, look at this page: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Category:LXDE
[23:10] <ChrisDruif> They don't even mention LXWM :)
[23:10] <mark76> That's because I pulled the name out of thin air
[23:10] <ChrisDruif> (Offtopic: is the 76 in your name your year of birth?)
[23:11] <ChrisDruif> I like it, makes complete sense too me :)
[23:12] <mark76> Day and Month
[23:14] <ChrisDruif> 7th of June :)
[23:17] <mark76> Yep
[23:17] <ChrisDruif> (I curious by nature) Which year if I might ask?
[23:18] <mark76> 66
[23:18] <ChrisDruif> Alright....you are a bit older then ma O:-)
[23:18] <ChrisDruif> ma=me
[23:18] <mark76> Yes
[23:19] <ChrisDruif> Just to make it even, 29-06-1987
[23:20] <ChrisDruif> Do they discuss things like LXWM on #lxde?
[23:21] <mark76> Nope
[23:21] <mark76> No one's suggested that LXDE should have its own window manager
[23:22] <ChrisDruif> Except you :)
[23:24] <ChrisDruif> Well...there isn't a single wm that combines compositing + tiling ootb...
[23:24] <mark76> Early Windows did
[23:25] <mark76> Sorry, that was stacking and tiling
[23:26] <ChrisDruif> Awesome has got Stacking + Tiling...
[23:26] <ChrisDruif> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_window_managers
[23:26] <ChrisDruif> Ion and scrotwm
[23:26] <ChrisDruif> aswell...
[23:27] <ChrisDruif> Damn...just saw KWin has comp+tiling <_<"
[23:27] <mark76> Ah
[23:28] <ChrisDruif> But KWin isn't lightweight ;)
[23:29] <mark76> Well, no
[23:31] <ChrisDruif> So rewritten KWin, would that be a good idea? Or start from scratch and take coding ideas from KWin (among others) be better?
[23:31] <mark76> Start from scratch I reckon
[23:32] <ChrisDruif> Alright...
[23:32] <mark76> Especially if you're going to code it in Gene
[23:33] <mark76> Genie
[23:33] <ChrisDruif> Yeah, might be better I guess :)
[23:33] <mark76> What's LXDE written in?
[23:33] <ChrisDruif> I don't know?
[23:35] <mark76> C
[23:35] <mark76> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LXDE
[23:36] <mark76> And GTK
[23:38] <ChrisDruif> So Genie would be nice (as it's compiles to C)
[23:39] <mark76> Should be
[23:41] <mark76> I'm about ready for bed
[23:41] <ChrisDruif> Me too...I'll throw it out on #lxde when I'm ready for it :)
[23:42] <mark76> K
[23:42] <mark76> Night Chris