[00:40] <yax51> ok so I forgot my keyring password, and don't know how to recover it
[00:41] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=384905
[00:41] <holstein> yax51: ^^
[00:51] <yax51> ok I think that worked! thanks!
[01:38] <yax51> ok I just installed, maverick, and I was wondering if I can do a dual boot with windows as a secondary?
[01:39] <yax51> or, should I re-install windows, then maverick as a secondary?
[01:39] <ibuclaw> yax51, windows, then maverick is the easier option.
[01:39] <aveilleux> yax51, The way to install a dual boot is to install Windows, then install Ubuntu and it will automatically pick it up
[01:39] <aveilleux> yax51, And it'll give you the option but Ubuntu will be on top
[01:39] <ibuclaw> the problem with Windows is that it assumes it's the only OS that will be present on the system.
[01:40] <holstein> yeah, dont think primary and secondary
[01:40] <yax51> thats true....
[01:40] <ibuclaw> while that is not a bad assumption to make, it just means extra work reinstalling/setting up GRUB
[01:40] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[01:40] <holstein> ^^ yax51 check that ou
[01:40] <holstein> t
[01:40] <holstein> you can reclaim some space for windows
[01:40] <holstein> on your hard drive
[01:40] <holstein> and recover grub with that guide
[01:41] <yax51> so I tried to do the dual boot with windows and maverick, but kept running into problems with the partitions, so I just installed maverick over everything
[01:41] <holstein> yax51: do you need windows?
[01:41] <holstein> if its not for gaming, run it in virtual box
[01:42] <yax51> holstein: that might e a better idea, I don't to too much PC gaming...
[01:43] <yax51> holstein: alhough I do contract work for microsoft occasionally at their confrences, so I woul like to have it
[01:43] <holstein> you can have it
[01:43] <holstein> in VM
[01:43] <yax51> cool, I'll check it out!
[01:43] <holstein> you can save snapshots
[01:43] <yax51> thanks
[01:43] <holstein> call a snapshot 'before the virus'
[01:43] <holstein> and when something bad happens, you just click and revert
[01:44] <holstein> very nice way to run windows i think
[01:45] <yax51> that works....where do I get the VM?
[01:46] <yax51> its the virtualbox OSE right?
[01:46] <aveilleux> yax51, Yes
[01:46] <yax51> thanks!
[01:46] <akshatj> yax51: the non free version is better
[01:47] <aveilleux> yax51, VirtualBox OSE is the environment
[01:47] <aveilleux> akshatj, Not "better". Just includes USB support.
[01:50] <yax51> so what do I need to run a VM?
[01:51] <holstein> yax51: just install which ever of those you feel comfortable installing
[01:51] <holstein> you'll need an install disc
[01:51] <holstein> OR image
[01:51] <holstein> things will look more clear as you run Vbox
[01:52] <yax51> aaah ok
[01:52] <holstein> just google and poke around
[01:52] <holstein> and ask if you hit something
[01:52] <holstein> that you dont understand :)
[01:52] <yax51> cool thanks!
[01:54] <holstein> whats up with all the kicking?
[01:55] <akshatj> holstein: it's 'The Kick of Honour'
[01:55] <holstein> hehe
[01:55] <holstein> i thought it was a haywire bot or something
[01:57] <ibuclaw> holstein, it hurts me more than it hurts them. :>
[01:58] <holstein> :)
[01:59] <JackyAlcine> WOOT! No school for NYC students! Snowstorm! YESHHH!!
[01:59] <JackyAlcine> That means more neural network programming for me :D
[02:00] <ibuclaw> cool
[02:00]  * ibuclaw was never into networking
[02:00] <ibuclaw> parsers, lexers, interpreters for me. :>
[02:00] <ibuclaw> latterly compilers
[02:00] <ibuclaw> well... from Language X to asm.
[02:01] <ibuclaw> binutils ftw
[02:03] <akshatj> I am learning C#
[02:03] <akshatj> since 9 days :P
[02:08] <aveilleux> Why would you do that to yourself
[02:09] <akshatj> aveilleux: because I want to work on Banshee
[02:09] <akshatj> and I hate freedom :P
[02:10] <aveilleux> Banshee is written in C#?
[02:10] <aveilleux> I thought it was written in Mono
[02:10] <akshatj> yup
[02:11] <aveilleux> Which is not C#
[02:12] <akshatj> aveilleux: Mono includes C#
[02:12] <aveilleux> akshatj, It includes a C#compiler. But Banshee is not written in C#, it is written in Mono and Gtk#.
[02:13] <aveilleux> akshatj, Mono is very similar to C#, though
[02:13] <akshatj> But the language used is still C#
[02:13] <akshatj> :S
[02:15] <aveilleux> akshatj, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Banshee_%28media_player%29 "Banshee is an open-source media player, originally called Sonance until 2005. Built upon Mono and Gtk#..."
[02:17] <aveilleux> akshatj, Mono is essentially the same thing, but rather than being monopolized by Microsoft it's an open standard and the libraries are FOSS
[02:17] <akshatj> aveilleux: look at the sidebox ;)
[02:17] <aveilleux> akshatj, "(GTK#)"
[02:18] <JackyAlcine> If someone can convert Banshee.Mono to Banshee++; I'd give them $2,000
[02:18] <JackyAlcine> :D
[02:19] <aveilleux> That would be fantastic
[02:19] <akshatj> aveilleux: I suggest you read this, http://banshee.fm/contribute/write-code/
[02:19] <aveilleux> A C++ version of Banshee
[02:19] <aveilleux> better yet, a C version
[02:20] <akshatj> Vala would be easier
[02:20] <aveilleux> Vala is just C pseudocode
[02:21] <akshatj> Since its syntax is similar to C#
[02:44] <ibuclaw> akshatj, I think aveilleux means that Vala is just a preprocessor to generate C.
[02:44] <ibuclaw> same as what C++ was back in the day
[02:44] <ibuclaw> then someone came along and wrote a fully fledged C++ compiler.
[02:44] <akshatj> ibuclaw: I know
[02:45] <ibuclaw> Walter Bright, if what he says is true. :o)
[02:45] <akshatj> My keyboard is broken so I couldn't complete my sentence
[02:48] <yax51> hmmm so I got virtual box,and it's working great however, my windows install disks, being asus recovery discs, don't want to work :(
[02:48] <holstein> yax51: i think you can find a work around for that
[02:49] <holstein> its questionably legal id say
[02:49] <holstein> BUT you have a legal windows key
[02:49] <yax51> yup :)
[02:49] <yax51> any ideas where I would look up such a thing?
[02:50] <yax51> or woul it be better to re-install windows, then maverick?
[02:50] <holstein> with that CD
[02:50] <holstein> the recovery CD
[02:51] <holstein> you dont have that option
[02:51] <holstein> it will most likely wipe the HD
[02:51] <holstein> and recover the disc to out of the box state
[02:51] <yax51> thats what I'm saying, I did a wipe when I installed maverick
[02:51] <holstein> THEN, you could install whatever you want beside it
[02:52] <holstein> right, this disc will wipe everything
[02:52] <holstein> i dont think you get to tell it how you want to partition
[02:52] <holstein> depends
[02:52] <holstein> ANYWAYS
[02:52] <holstein> i think its nlite?
[02:52] <holstein> something like that
[02:52] <holstein> a way to respin a windows XP iso
[02:53] <holstein> its up to you
[02:53] <yax51> I don't know about nlite, but I should probably just do another wipe, make sure I got all the crap, and start over.....
[02:53] <holstein> i personally wouldnt hop through to many hoops for a 10 year old OS
[02:54] <yax51> unless you know a way I can get hold of a windows 7 iso or disc.....
[02:54] <holstein> sure
[02:54] <holstein> where ever they sell em'
[02:54] <yax51> without paying 72947202 dollars for em ;)
[02:54] <holstein> maybe used?
[02:55] <yax51> that is the used price :P
[02:55] <yax51> I think I'm just going to re-install everything from scratch......again.......
[02:56] <holstein> if you want
[04:32] <yax51> ok so the recovery discs don't want to work to re-install windows AND removed my maverick install....had to do it again!!
[04:35] <yax51> but another question, where should I go to paste pics and screen shots and stuff?
[04:35] <holstein> yax51: for us you mean?
[04:35] <holstein> http://imagebin.org/
[04:35] <holstein> like pastebin for pics
[04:35] <yax51> that was it! thanks!
[04:36] <holstein> yax51: could be you just need to recover the boot partition
[04:37] <yax51> possibly, but when I ran the recovery disc it came up with big giant letters saying ERROR!!!!!!
[04:37] <holstein> after running it?
[04:37] <holstein> what error?
[04:37] <holstein> there is a boot error that looks like that
[04:37] <holstein> you can run fixmbr or whatever the tool is
[04:37] <yax51> when trying to install it
[04:38] <holstein> OH
[04:38] <holstein> might be looking for an empty disc
[04:38] <yax51> somthin about a WMIblahblahblah file missing....
[04:38] <holstein> or an ntfs partition
[04:38]  * holstein shrugs
[04:38] <holstein> its an old disc
[04:39] <yax51> 2008?
[04:39] <holstein> XP recovery disc?
[04:39] <yax51> vista
[04:39] <holstein> OH ok
[04:39] <holstein> i wouldnt waste much time on that then
[04:39] <holstein> they'll skip over vista
[04:39] <yax51> Hahahaha
[04:39] <holstein> like window ME
[04:40] <yax51> http://xkcd.com/323/
[04:41] <holstein> hehe
[04:41] <yax51> now what about doing a ntfs partition from maverick, and installing vista on that?
[04:41] <holstein> you dont have a proper install disc
[04:41] <holstein> BUT gparted can make whatever partitions you need
[04:42] <holstein> you'll want to do that from a live CD
[04:42] <yax51> so the recovery disc wont work then....
[04:42] <holstein> with the hard drive *not* mounted
[04:42] <holstein> yax51: i dont know
[04:42] <holstein> sounds like its not working
[04:42] <holstein> i would try wiping the drive with gparted
[04:42] <holstein> maybe put an ntfs partition on it
[04:43] <holstein> run the disc again
[04:43] <holstein> note the error
[04:43] <yax51> which is why I would like to totally get away from it, but I can't install it on a VM either....
[04:44] <holstein> might be able to use that disc and create nlite disc
[04:44] <yax51> hmmm
[04:47] <yax51> holstein: so with nlite, I can use the recover disc as a live cd?
[04:47] <holstein> i have no idea
[04:47] <holstein> i dont even know if you can nlite vista
[04:47] <yax51> holstein: ok then....lets play round with it and see what happens...
[04:48] <yax51> actually vlite was made just for vista......
[04:48] <holstein> AH
[04:49] <holstein> there you go :)
[04:50] <yax51> now the issue I had before with the recovery disc, and VB, was that the disc couldn't recognize my laptop, although these discs are only suppose to be for my machine, and are the ones that came with it....
[04:51] <yax51> would something like that be an issue you think?
[04:52] <holstein> right
[04:53] <holstein> you wont be able to use those custom restore CD's with Vbox
[04:53] <yax51> are you as confused as I am?
[04:53] <holstein> they are made for actual hardware
[04:53] <holstein> your asus laptop
[04:53] <yax51> blast!!!
[04:53] <AbhiJit> hey guys
[04:53] <holstein> thats why you would need to use something like vlite
[04:53] <holstein> which could work
[04:54] <yax51> I hope so
[04:54] <holstein> if you had a normal windows install disc
[04:55] <holstein> OR *any* linux install medium
[04:55] <holstein> it would not be a problem
[04:55] <holstein> because there is no check to make sure you have certain hardware
[04:55] <yax51> yay for DRM.........
[04:56] <holstein> hey, they have to protect the license
[04:56] <yax51> If I did't need windows for certain things........
[04:56] <yax51> I understand, it's just irritating....
[04:56] <holstein> can be
[05:01] <yax51> hmm I can't get vlite to run with wine...
[05:01] <yax51> maybe my comp doesn't want vista anymore....
[05:20] <yax51_> is there another windows emulator  other then wine?
[05:25] <yax51_> nm, I got it
[06:14] <JackyAlcine> Someone just said Linux sucks!
[06:14] <JackyAlcine> O.O!
[06:15] <Daniel0108> hi JackyAlcine!
[06:15] <JackyAlcine> Hey Daniel0108!
[06:16] <yax51> ok, I seem to be having issues with the panel in maverick....
[06:16] <Daniel0108> hi yax51, what kind of issues do you have?
[06:18] <yax51> Daniel0108: I have rythmbox playing, but there is no icon on the panel, plus there is no window.......
[06:18] <JackyAlcine> yax51: That's usually a plugin you might have to configure.
[06:19] <JackyAlcine> yax51: Do you have an indicator-applet or/and notification-area in your panel?
[06:19] <yax51> JAckyAlcine: thats what I thought, but didn't know which one, and yes
[06:19] <JackyAlcine> yax51: Add both.
[06:20] <yax51> nevermind I found it, it was hiding under the volume control
[06:21] <JackyAlcine> :D that's a recent addition
[06:21] <yax51> thats kinda cool actually...instead of having another icon, they piggy backed in onto the volume control...
[06:24] <nit-wit> yax51, that should not be happening try running killall gnome-panel then run rhythm box again the icon should not be hiding
[06:27] <yax51> that didn't work.....it's stll piggy backed onto volume control
[06:28] <JackyAlcine> Lol, yax51, I'm telling you, it's a plugin; as long the indicator plugin is active; the notification icon will not appear.
[06:29] <RooDog> Hello, I am trying to install an app in Ubuntu and it is not available via the ubuntu software center.  I have the file downloaded but can't figure out how to actually install it, can someone give me a hand please?
[06:29] <JackyAlcine> RooDog: sudo apt-get install gdebi*
[06:30] <RooDog> what will that do Jacky?
[06:30] <JackyAlcine> After that, you should be able to install the app by right-clicking and select 'Open With gDebi Package Installer'..
[06:30] <RooDog> ok wonderful, thanks very much
[06:30] <JackyAlcine> It's something that changed from Lucid to Maverick; gdebi didn't come preshipped.
[06:30] <bioterror> RooDog, or dpkg -i package
[06:30] <JackyAlcine> RooDog: ^^
[06:30] <JackyAlcine> That works ;)
[06:31] <RooDog> I have it going in console right now, so I will let you know :)
[06:31] <JackyAlcine> :D
[06:31] <RooDog> now, do i just do it on the tarball or on the unpackaged folder?
[06:32] <bioterror> haha
[06:32] <bioterror> JackyAlcine, all yours ;)
[06:32] <RooDog> I think i may have waded in lol
[06:32] <JackyAlcine> You have a tarball?
[06:32] <RooDog> yes
[06:33] <JackyAlcine> o.o lol, well, extract the tarball.
[06:33] <RooDog> which i have done
[06:33] <yax51> JackyAlcine: yeah, the indicator applets didn't really do anything, but I'm ok with it being were it is.....I kinda like it, it looks less cluttered
[06:33] <JackyAlcine> and then open a terminal and cd to the director.
[06:33] <bioterror> JackyAlcine, you should ask what he's trying to install
[06:33] <JackyAlcine> true, thanks bioterror.
[06:33] <RooDog> ballistic calculator
[06:33] <JackyAlcine> o.o
[06:33] <RooDog> i can dcc it over if you want to have a look
[06:33] <bioterror> RooDog, what's the name of the package
[06:33] <yax51> I have access to it, it's just linked to the volume control....
[06:33] <RooDog> saballistics
[06:34] <RooDog> its actually saballistics-1.3.2
[06:34] <bioterror> 1.3.3 is also available
[06:34] <RooDog> even better
[06:34] <bioterror> http://www.filewatcher.com/m/saballistics-1.3.3.tar.gz.165391.0.0.html
[06:35] <bioterror> JackyAlcine, are you familiar with checkinstall?
[06:35] <RooDog> is there a simple way to apt-get that or is it another tarball
[06:35] <JackyAlcine> yax51: I like it like that, but if volume control for the app was possible. :D
[06:36] <RooDog> ok got the new one, thanks bio
[06:38] <bioterror> RooDog, sudo apt-get install checkinstall
[06:38] <yax51> JackyAlcine: what do you mean? it's possible, I click the volume control icon, and under the voume adujectment bar there is the rhythmbox panel, with song info and controls...
[06:39] <RooDog> said invalid operation
[06:39] <bioterror> what
[06:39] <JackyAlcine> yax51: like right under the play, next, previous without having to change the system volume.
[06:40] <JackyAlcine> BTW: did you know that if you drop the sys vol to like 20, 10% it's practically muted?
[06:40] <RooDog> wait..typo ack
[06:40] <RooDog> done
[06:40] <bioterror> okay
[06:40] <bioterror> then you need libncurses5-dev
[06:41] <RooDog> from the software center?
[06:41] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[06:41] <yax51> JackyAlcine: http://imagebin.org/132297
[06:41] <RooDog> i have it going, let you know when its done
[06:42] <bioterror> hmmm
[06:42] <RooDog> done
[06:42] <bioterror> I've got problems installing that software
[06:42] <bioterror> just a moment
[06:42] <RooDog> ok
[06:44] <bioterror> haaa
[06:45] <RooDog> get it?
[06:45] <bioterror> just a moment
[06:46] <bioterror> we need that checkinstall for making a dpkg package
[06:47] <bioterror> so that if we get newer version of that saballistics, we can remove it easily
[06:47] <RooDog> ok
[06:47] <RooDog> lead the way :)
[06:47] <bioterror> as we are running a sophisticated package manager, it would be a stupid thing to install stuff without it
[06:47] <RooDog> absolutely :)
[06:48] <bioterror> we want to keep control on what we are having on our system, other wise removing that software would be a horrible job
[06:49] <yax51> hmmm now I have no icons...
[06:58] <bioterror> hmmm, I've installed lots of stuff with checkinstall
[06:58] <RooDog> ok bio how are you looking?
[06:58] <RooDog> not happening?
[06:58] <bioterror> and this is first time I encounter a little problem
[06:58] <RooDog> lol
[06:58] <RooDog> so it wasnt just me
[06:58] <bioterror> well
[06:58] <RooDog> i even read the readme
[06:58] <bioterror> well the INTALL is kinda okay
[07:00] <RooDog> do you know of another ballistics proggie that is easier to install bio?
[07:01] <RooDog> i couldnt find anything in the software center for it...hence the downloading
[07:04] <yax51> ok that was strange....
[07:05] <yax51> I did a reboot and my panel got all better.....
[07:08] <RooDog> lol amazing how a reboot solves things sometime
[07:08] <RooDog> s
[07:08] <yax51> I know right...
[07:09] <bioterror> RooDog, hmmm
[07:09] <bioterror> RooDog, seems like you can easily do sudo make install clean
[07:10] <yax51> well thanks for all your help, I must be going now...good night all!
[07:10] <bioterror> RooDog, it will install all stuff into /usr/local/saballistics-1.3.3
[07:10] <RooDog> ok i will give that a try
[07:10] <bioterror> so
[07:10] <bioterror> ./configure
[07:10] <bioterror> make
[07:10] <bioterror> sudo make install clean
[07:11] <bioterror> what a shame that checkinstall failed us, but we still needed all those packages for compiling it ;)
[07:11] <RooDog> lol
[07:11] <RooDog> no worries
[07:11] <bioterror> I'm running now that software in my terminal
[07:11] <RooDog> hopefully the bloody proggie works after all that
[07:12] <RooDog> ok it worked, its in /usr/local/saballistics-1.3.3, now how do I make it run
[07:13] <bioterror> you say in terminal /usr/local/saballistics-1.3.3/bin/saballistics
[07:13] <RooDog> and presto it works
[07:13] <bioterror> RooDog, remember that you can complete words with tabkey (the one with arrows both direction above capslock)
[07:13] <RooDog> any way to make a working shortcut for the desktop or anything like that?
[07:14] <bioterror> ofcourse you can make
[07:14] <bioterror> just point the binary to that path
[07:15] <RooDog> ok i will give that a shot.  Thanks for the help bio
[07:15] <RooDog> much appreciated
[07:15] <bioterror> np
[07:17] <RooDog> doesnt look too bad...even has a nice built-in bullet db :)
[07:18] <RooDog> and my desktop shortcut worked too
[07:18] <bioterror> nice app for anyone who votes for sarah palin :D
[07:18] <RooDog> lol
[07:18] <RooDog> nah, just good for shootists
[07:19] <RooDog> Im not a big political person but i do love the science and discipline behind competitive shooting
[07:19] <RooDog> been doing it since I was a little tacker and probably will until the day I can't see any more
[07:20] <RooDog> Shot for Australia in the Commonwealth games years ago and been hooked for longer than that
[07:20] <RooDog> anyway, cheers and thanks for the help again.
[08:24] <Voidoath> Hello?
[09:26] <evfool> hi everyine
[09:27] <ChrisDruif> Hai evfool :)
[09:40] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[09:40] <bioterror> hi fox
[09:41] <ChrisDruif> Hai Silver_Fox_ :)
[09:41] <Silver_Fox_> Hello ChrisDruif  =)
[09:43] <ChrisDruif> How's it going?
[09:44] <Silver_Fox_> Oh not bad,  just poking through the current beginners team mentor / mentee lists.  I am supposed to be keeping track of things.
[09:45] <bioterror> Silver_Fox_, how's the mentor list doing?-)
[09:45] <ChrisDruif> Indeed :)
[09:46] <IAmNotThatGuy> Heya Silver_Fox_ :]
[09:46] <UndiFineD> :) can you Silver_Fox_ ?
[09:47] <ChrisDruif> Hmmm...not nice....meeting is tonight @ 01:00CET <_<"
[09:48] <Silver_Fox_> bioterror,  Not so bad - I aim to have the lists updated in time for the meeting later.
[09:48] <UndiFineD> ChrisDruif: you mean this morning at 1 am
[09:48] <ChrisDruif> Yup, indeed UndiFineD...I don't mind if it's tonight or next morning ;)
[09:49] <UndiFineD> ok then i say yesterday night
[09:49] <Silver_Fox_> UndiFineD,  Yes - I can go through the lists,I have a spread sheet
[09:49] <bioterror> :D
[09:49] <bioterror> I really hate that the UBT -meetings are 2AM in my time
[09:49] <bioterror> and middle of the week
[09:50] <ChrisDruif> UndiFineD: in ~14 hours ;)
[09:50] <IAmNotThatGuy> ChrisDruif, meeting is over :P
[09:50] <bioterror> hard to attend if I'm going to wakeup around 5:30AM
[09:50] <ChrisDruif> Damn <_<"
[09:50] <ChrisDruif> I wanted to be there <_<"
[09:51] <IAmNotThatGuy> bioterror, I cant. coz it will be powercut here at 00:30 :{
[09:52] <ChrisDruif> UndiFineD: Are you UBT member now? :)
[09:52] <UndiFineD> yes I am
[09:52] <UndiFineD> :D
[09:52] <JoeMaverickSett> ah, it's 8AM of 13th here. IAmNotThatGuy
[09:52] <JoeMaverickSett> the meeting, i mean.
[09:54] <UndiFineD> Silver_Fox_: so how do you do this ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Mentors
[09:54] <ChrisDruif> Congratulations UndiFineD :)
[09:54] <UndiFineD> thank you ChrisDruif
[09:54] <ChrisDruif> I'm really happy for you :)
[09:54] <ChrisDruif> (Too bad nobody reminded my it was last night O:-))
[09:55] <UndiFineD> I did leave some hints here and there
[09:59] <ChrisDruif> I'll read it at school UndiFineD :)
[09:59] <UndiFineD> useful time spending
[09:59] <ChrisDruif> Indeed :)
[09:59] <ChrisDruif> Off to school now :P
[10:36] <Silver_Fox_> Interesting...
[10:40] <UndiFineD> yes master
[11:25] <dracotux_> is there anyone who can help me install my printer? i'm completely new to ubuntu
[11:29] <JoeMaverickSett> dracotux_: could you tell us the make/model of the printer? if I or someone know how to help you they could do so. :)
[11:30] <dracotux_> it's a DCP-375CW from brother
[11:32] <dracotux_> in SPM I can't find this model explicitly, but I can't imagine that there is no driver for this printer in linux
[11:35] <JoeMaverickSett> dracotux_: http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#DCP-375CW <-- download Format: "deb" of the lpr driver & cupswrapper driver
[11:36] <JoeMaverickSett> dracotux_: and follow this guide to install; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters/BrotherPrinters/2070NLaser
[11:38] <JoeMaverickSett> dracotux_: it should get you on your way, if you get stuck or encounter some issue, shoot the question in this channel :)
[11:44] <dracotux_> http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#DCP-375CW
[11:44] <dracotux_> that is a dead link
[11:45] <JoeMaverickSett> dracotux_: it works perfectly well on my browser.
[11:45] <dracotux_> I use chromian, ill try it in firefox
[11:45] <JoeMaverickSett> dracotux_: i'm using chromium too. :)
[11:46] <dracotux_> lolz
[11:46] <dracotux_> now it workz
[11:46] <JoeMaverickSett> hhmm, very strange. :)
[11:47] <dracotux_> sorry, wrong window
[11:47] <dracotux_> can't open the link
[11:47] <dracotux_> it says it cant find it
[11:47] <JoeMaverickSett> dracotux_: how about this; http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html ?
[11:48] <dracotux_> doesn't work too
[11:48] <JoeMaverickSett> :|
[11:49] <JoeMaverickSett> strange.
[11:49] <dracotux_> thats what i think
[11:49] <dracotux_> it says chromiam cant find it
[11:50] <dracotux_> do i need special plugins/installs to view that page?
[11:51] <JoeMaverickSett> dracotux_: don't think so, try this, it's the main page; http://solutions.brother.com/
[11:51] <dracotux_> that one cant be found either
[11:52] <dracotux_> it found http://solutions.brother.com/, but it doesnt load very well
[11:53] <dracotux_> tried to refresh it, but it doesnt do that
[11:54] <dracotux_> do i need plugins/installs to make chromian work properly?
[11:55] <JoeMaverickSett> dracotux_: http://www.brother.com/pub/bsc/linux/dlf/dcp383clpr-1.1.2-2.i386.deb & http://www.brother.com/pub/bsc/linux/dlf/dcp383ccupswrapper-1.1.2-2.i386.deb
[11:55] <JoeMaverickSett> give those a try
[11:56] <dracotux_> at the main site, it doesnt load the pictures/java or whatever, select your country is a dead pic link
[11:56] <dracotux_> its downloading the .deb
[11:57] <dracotux_> problem durign install: Error: Wrong architecture 'i386'
[11:59] <JoeMaverickSett> dracotux_: ah, so you're using a 64bit? "ia32-libs or lib32stdc++ is required to be installed."
[12:00] <dracotux_> ?
[12:00] <dracotux_> am i using a 64bit?
[12:00] <dracotux_> how can i tell?
[12:00] <bioterror> dracotux_, in terminal: uname -a
[12:00]  * JoeMaverickSett is slow! :|
[12:01] <dracotux_> http://solutions.brother.com/
[12:01] <dracotux_> wrong one
[12:01] <dracotux_> hold on
[12:01] <dracotux_> Linux ubuntu 2.6.32-27-generic #49-Ubuntu SMP Thu Dec 2 00:51:09 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:01] <dracotux_> does this help?
[12:03] <JoeMaverickSett> dracotux_: ah, you are using a 64bit. so you've to install ia32-libs or lib32stdc++ to be able to install the .deb file.
[12:04] <dracotux_> ia32-libs is already installed
[12:04] <dracotux_> checkigne li32stdc++
[12:06] <dracotux_> the li32++6 was already installed
[12:06] <dracotux_> now downloading another one
[12:08] <dracotux_> the li32++6-4.4-dbg installed
[12:08] <dracotux_> trying the .deb file again
[12:08] <dracotux_> it still says wrong architecture
[12:08] <dracotux_> did i miss something?
[12:10] <dracotux_> @ joemavericksett: both files are installed, but the install of the .deb still says "Wrong architecture"
[12:14] <JoeMaverickSett> dracotux_: tbh, i'm afraid i can't figure it out. :|
[12:16] <dracotux_> thnx for the efford anyways
[12:16] <JoeMaverickSett> dracotux_: i'm sure if you hang out here or post in ubuntuforums.org, i'm sure there is going to be a more skilled person that could help you.
[12:16] <dracotux_> any ideas to whom i can direct my problem?
[12:17] <dracotux_> ubuntuforums.org
[12:17] <dracotux_> ill try that one
[12:35] <Red-Raven> hey.
[12:36] <Red-Raven> need some ideas. want to try out some virtual machines from the ISO but there are so many. any recomendations on where to start?
[12:39] <zeroseven0183> Hi red-raven
[12:39] <zeroseven0183> What are your choices?
[12:40] <Red-Raven> .....anything. ive been told BSD is good, but i can't really tell what it's focuse it.
[12:40] <bioterror> you dont seem to have any glue about it
[12:41] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_BSD_operating_systems
[12:42] <zeroseven0183> How long you've been using Ubuntu/
[12:42] <zeroseven0183> Try other distros or other DEs (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu)
[12:42] <Red-Raven> about 2 and a half weeks now.
[12:43] <pedro3005> you don't need a VM to try out other DEs, you can just install them and select on the log in screen
[12:43] <pedro3005> try Linux From Scratch :P
[12:43] <zeroseven0183> ..but trying Linux/DEs on VM is safer if something breaks,host system is not affected
[12:44] <Red-Raven> i have a dual boot laptop with ubuntu 10.10 and and an old dual boot desktop with ubuntu 10.10 and the lubuntu environment installed with it (low RAM)
[12:44] <zeroseven0183> especially when you've only used it for about 2.5 weeks
[12:44] <Red-Raven> that CLI only right?
[12:44] <zeroseven0183> Although, of course, when you run VM, you need more RAM if you're multitasking
[12:45] <zeroseven0183> So yeah, dual-boot is also a good thing to try out
[12:45] <Red-Raven> yah but im running VB on my laptop with has 2GB RAM
[12:45] <Red-Raven> i wuv it!
[12:45] <pedro3005> you can try Arch
[12:45] <bioterror> :D
[12:45] <pedro3005> to get acquainted with the CLI
[12:46] <bioterror> or Gentoo
[12:46] <bioterror> :D
[12:46] <Red-Raven> arch has a GUI though
[12:46] <zeroseven0183> That could make your nose bleed :-)
[12:46] <pedro3005> only if you install it
[12:46] <JoeMaverickSett> don't install the GUI? :D
[12:46] <pedro3005> by default arch doesn't have a GUI
[12:46] <bioterror> I say: install OpenBSD
[12:47] <bioterror> or Slowaris
[12:47] <bioterror> :D
[12:47] <zeroseven0183> Like everyone is suggesting, Red-Raven, I think it's good for you to start with Linux when trying out VM
[12:47] <zeroseven0183> haha OpenBSD... Slowaris
[12:47] <Red-Raven> the one with only the CLI?
[12:48] <zeroseven0183> You can always practice CLI on any Linux distribution
[12:48] <bioterror> yeah
[12:49] <pedro3005> yeah, but there is a difference between installing ubuntu (next -> next -> finish) and arch (configure a bunch of stuff, install X by hand, configure network, install your DE, etc)
[12:49] <bioterror> pedro3005, it'
[12:49] <bioterror> it's a waste of Arch to install DE;=
[12:49] <bioterror> ;)
[12:49] <Red-Raven> DE=?
[12:49] <pedro3005> desktop environment
[12:49] <Red-Raven> makes sense.
[12:50] <pedro3005> ubuntu uses GNOME by default
[12:50] <Red-Raven> so now im looking at: arch. bsd, and scratch linux.
[12:51] <bioterror> I'm not really getting this distrohopping righ after like few days after installation of first distro
[12:51] <bioterror> right
[12:51] <zeroseven0183> The people here in Beginners team will gladly assist you if you have any question about CLI
[12:51] <pedro3005> linux from scratch isn't a distribution though, it's a tutorial that teaches you how to configure and compile the kernel and then everything else from scratch
[12:51] <Red-Raven> oh ok.
[12:52] <bioterror> pedro3005, well I would suggest Red-Raven raven to install debian and play with it first
[12:52] <pedro3005> yeah debian is good
[12:52] <Red-Raven> i like experimenting with stuff. ubuntu is still my primary.
[12:54] <Red-Raven> im thinking about DLing Backtrack and one of the ones you've recomended here.
[12:54] <Red-Raven> (just the ISOs for use in Vbox)
[12:54] <pedro3005> yeah, just experiment under the safety of a VM
[12:55] <Red-Raven> i will. i might also try xPUD.
[12:56] <zeroseven0183> Do whatever you think would make you happy :-)
[12:56] <bioterror> pedro3005, as it's a nice way to move on from ubuntu. I wouldnt recommend someone to take ayahuasca without experimenting something else first ;)
[12:57] <bioterror> as using a metaphora
[12:58] <zeroseven0183> I think what bioterror means is that you stick with Ubuntu until you're very familiar with it. I hope I'm right.
[12:58] <bioterror> with debian you get all the known tools and you know locations
[13:01] <bioterror> let's say that I started with Red Hat back in the 90's my linux usage. and few years ago I ended up dealing with RHEL 5 in my work and I didnt know at all where all the configs was and I was suppose to change settings for it ;)
[13:02] <zeroseven0183> So, yes, stick with Ubuntu first then check out other distros later
[13:02] <zeroseven0183> :-)
[13:02] <bioterror> or try debian in the first place after ubuntu
[13:03] <zeroseven0183> yes
[13:05] <bioterror> I wouldnt like to see Red-Raven wandering around internet and bashing all distros crap as he cant understand them
[13:06] <zeroseven0183> This is actually the reason why I love sticking with Ubuntu... the people! Amazing!
[13:06] <zeroseven0183> Off-topic: When do you think Ubuntu Forums would get a make-over?
[13:06] <Red-Raven> im not the type to go bashing stuff i don't understand.
[13:19] <Red-Raven> whats the most recent version of openBSD?
[13:20] <bioterror> 4.4 was it
[13:20] <bioterror> or 4.5
[13:20] <bioterror> you can goto www.openbsd.org
[13:20] <Red-Raven> ive seen 4.8
[13:20] <JoeMaverickSett> 4.8
[13:20] <bioterror> 4.8 yes
[13:22] <zeroseven0183> Why not FreeBSD? Is OpenBSD safe now?
[13:23] <bioterror> if you can deal OpenBSD, you can deal Net and Free, maybe Dragonfly too
[13:24] <bioterror> :D
[13:25] <Red-Raven_> hey sry. is open just unsatable?
[13:26] <bioterror> what
[13:28] <Red-Raven_> someone asked if open is safe yet.
[13:28] <Red-Raven_> *open BSD
[13:28] <bioterror> safe yet
[13:29] <bioterror> yeah mean that VPN backdoor by the FBI? :D
[13:29] <Red-Raven_> ...what?
[13:29] <zeroseven0183> Here Red-Raven http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20025767-281.html
[13:30] <Red-Raven_> wouldn't matter to me. not planing on any black hat stuff.
[13:31] <Red-Raven_> and i would just run it in Vbox
[13:31] <Red-Raven_> so open or free BSD?
[13:33] <Red-Raven_> looks like i want free  based on wiki. don't need the security of open for a Vbox.
[13:34] <bioterror> you dont really know what you want
[13:35] <Red-Raven_> ok.... dont know what to do with that.....
[13:36] <zeroseven0183> Red-Raven, have you read the Ubuntu Manual already?
[13:37] <IAmNotThatGuy> Silver_Fox_, coolbhavi is here
[13:37] <zeroseven0183> It's a good place to start learning Linux, in particular, Ubuntu
[13:37] <Red-Raven_> theres a manual? its an operatins system. thats got to be huge.
[13:37] <Red-Raven_> operating*
[13:37] <zeroseven0183> http://ubuntu-manual.org
[13:38] <zeroseven0183> Yes there is. It's only 4.4 MB
[13:38] <Red-Raven_> ther on for 10.10?
[13:38] <Red-Raven_> there one*
[13:38] <zeroseven0183> So far, the latest is for 10.04
[13:39] <zeroseven0183> But don't worry, they're almost the same
[13:39] <Red-Raven_> ok cool.
[13:39] <bioterror> same commands
[13:40] <bioterror> the difference is mainly just cosmetics ;)
[13:40] <zeroseven0183> Chapter 6 discusses the Command Line
[13:40] <zeroseven0183> But of course, it's always good to start in page 1
[13:40] <zeroseven0183> :-)
[13:43] <bioterror> Red-Raven_, http://artlung.com/smorgasborg/C_R_Y_P_T_O_N_O_M_I_C_O_N.shtml that's some old text, but worth of checking out. it doesnt hurt to read something if you dont have anything better to do
[13:53] <Red-Raven_> got the xPUD and backtrack ISOs DLd. ill look into free BSD next.
[13:58] <Red-Raven_> GTG. cya later.
[13:58] <Red-Raven_> thx for the help btw.
[15:22] <Guest8596> i have installed kde and then tryied to delete it. now i'm with gnome, the panels are missing and i can't access the terminal... just want to restore my regular ubuntu
[15:24] <JackyAlcine> Guest8596: Press Alt+F2
[15:24] <JackyAlcine> What happens?
[15:24] <JackyAlcine> A dialog should pop up.
[15:24] <Guest8596> JackyAlcine: nothing
[15:24] <JackyAlcine> O.o
[15:24] <JackyAlcine> Not good.
[15:24] <JackyAlcine> Alright, you might need to use a TTY for this.
[15:24] <Guest8596> i know, but it don't :(
[15:25] <Guest8596> what's tty?
[15:25] <JackyAlcine> Guest8596: A console-based session.\
[15:25] <JackyAlcine> so write this command down somewhere.
[15:25] <JackyAlcine> Not on your computer.
[15:25] <Guest8596> okay
[15:26] <JackyAlcine> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop*
[15:26] <JackyAlcine> That command include gnome-panel and should restore your settings.
[15:26] <JackyAlcine> Now press Ctrl+Alt+F1 (write this down: press Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back to GDM) and log on and then run that command.
[15:28] <JackyAlcine> I hope Guest8596 is okay.
[15:29] <Guest8596> JackyAlcine: trying it, thanks man
[15:29] <JackyAlcine> kkay
[15:34] <tomer11qwe> JackyAlcine: thanks allot dude! i'm all good now!
[15:34] <JackyAlcine> No problem tomer11qwe :D
[15:42] <MichelleQ> cprofitt et al: can't reply to list email (silly mail server) but I'm all for a masters' doc class...  Please let me know when/where/who, etc.
[15:58] <cprofitt> MichelleQ: cool... thanks for the headsup
[16:03] <jermza> I'm about to render a Pitivi video clip to send to my friend.  When it asks me to save for output, it doesn't add an extension to the file name.  Ubuntu has no hassle reading, say, "video", but my friend uses Windows and I'm wondering if it will read the file.  Do I simply add the extension?
[16:03] <jermza> I saved it as a MP4, so do rename "video" to "video.mp4"?
[16:05] <JackyAlcine> Yes, jermza.
[16:05] <JackyAlcine> Lol, Windows is a bit stupid.
[16:05] <jermza> Us Ubuntu users have to help Windows users.
[16:06] <IAmNotThatGuy> jermza, as we said yesterday, look at the bottom right and it will have the extension type. select it and save it
[16:08] <JackyAlcine> lol, that works as well, jermza ^^
[16:11] <IAmNotThatGuy> we answered his second time for the same question. already plei a2 answered him yesterday
[16:12] <hobgoblin> IAmNotThatGuy: that happens a lot - patience is the key :)
[16:13] <IAmNotThatGuy> heya hobgoblin and yes (:
[16:13] <IAmNotThatGuy> how are you hobgoblin ?
[17:08] <madsailor_> hello all.  I am having difficulty changing the backround for the ubuntu login screen.  Docs on the ubuntu help pages talk about modifying /etc/gdm/gdm.conf but this file doesn't exist in this folder on my machine
[17:08] <madsailor_> The orange/purple background for login is OK but I'd like to change it. How can I do this?
[17:11] <madsailor_> anyone?
[17:20] <madsailor_> *bump*   I am having difficulty changing the backround for the ubuntu login screen.  Docs on the ubuntu help pages talk about modifying /etc/gdm/gdm.conf but this file doesn't exist in this folder on my machine
[17:20] <madsailor_>  The orange/purple background for login is OK but I'd like to change it. How can I do this?
[17:21] <ibuclaw> madsailor_, I wrote a small customise guide quite a while ago...
[17:21] <ibuclaw> somewhere on the forums
[17:22] <ibuclaw> way back in 9.10 release. =)
[17:22] <ibuclaw> http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1333683
[17:24] <madsailor_> Thanks ibuclaw!
[17:24] <ibuclaw> note, xsplash only came with Ubuntu 9.10
[17:24] <ibuclaw> so ignore anything to do with that. :3
[17:26] <madsailor_> I'm running Maverick, so I definately will.
[17:29] <JackyAlcine> They need to bring back usplash and customizable gdms. =/
[18:04] <JerryM> any help reinstalling ubuntu? from usb, get to 'Preparing to install Ubuntu' and seems to get stuck in loop - waited 30 min, still no change
[18:14] <nUboon2Age> thanks to Silver Fox for noticing i needed some mentoring help and contacting me.
[18:17] <aveilleux> JerryM, Has this happened more than once?
[20:48] <Red-Raven> hey.
[20:59] <kosmarnik> python-setuptools is giving me trouble:  easy_install --prefix /usr/local pyrocore
[20:59] <kosmarnik> gets me an error message: TEST FAILED: /usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages does NOT support .pth files error: bad install directory or PYTHONPATH
[21:01] <kosmarnik> the support link for easyInstall isn't quite helping
[21:02] <yofel> you'll need sudo to install in /usr/local/
[21:02] <kosmarnik> running this under root
[21:06] <kosmarnik> IDK what should I use for PYTHONPATH, or how to set it. meh easyInstall fail
[21:17] <Red-Raven> i have an...odd question for you guys.
[21:20] <Red-Raven> what/where did you start learning all this stuff? because i know most of you learned most of what you know on your own, and i figured i should try and learn something on my own. what was one of the first concepts involving computers/linux that you learned (or would suggest to learn)? like terminal or Virtual machines or servers. any place to start. theres just so many consepts to choose from. idk where to start.
[21:21] <holstein> Red-Raven: start with what you need to do
[21:21] <holstein> do a job in the terminal
[21:21] <holstein> whatever you need to do
[21:21] <holstein> if your going to make a folder somewhere
[21:21] <holstein> google 'making a directory from the terminal in ubuntu'
[21:21] <holstein> createing*
[21:21] <holstein> creating*
[21:24] <Red-Raven> ok thx. so learning terminal is a good place to start? and then just learn what i need afterwards?
[21:24] <holstein> well, learning terminal
[21:24] <holstein> is not something you'll knock out in a weekend
[21:25] <holstein> maybe look at some programming languages
[21:25] <holstein> some python tutorials
[21:34] <Red-Raven> ok. a friend introduced me to VBS. made a basic annoying pop-up thing on a loop. is that good language to learn? there are so many languages i can't decide. i know some HTML and thats IT.
[21:34] <holstein> up to you
[21:35] <holstein> i dont know VBS
[21:35] <holstein> i suggested python already
[21:35] <Red-Raven> what kind is python? programing?
[21:35] <holstein> python would be relavant to ubuntu programming AFAIK
[21:36] <holstein> Red-Raven: i mean this in the nicest possible way, but check out http://www.google.com/ ;)
[21:36] <Red-Raven> can you use them in windows?
[21:36] <holstein> yup
[21:36] <holstein> cross platform
[21:36] <Red-Raven> oh i understand.
[21:36] <Red-Raven> sorry about that. sometimes i knid of forget just what this is for. but thx!
[21:37] <holstein> nah
[21:37] <holstein> mostly because im just learning about python myself
[21:37] <holstein> and you really just need to look around and decide for yourself
[22:20] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[22:21] <kristian-aalborg> if you'd like to make a contribution to repos, what's the way to do it?
[22:21] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: You mean get a package into the repositories?
[22:21] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[22:21] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: The best way to do that would be to put the project on LaunchPad and set up a PPA (Personal Package Archive)
[22:22] <kristian-aalborg> ah... thanks
[22:22] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: After that, it's all about getting noticed
[22:22] <kristian-aalborg> sure
[22:27] <kristian-aalborg> aveilleux: tried it?
[22:28] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: No, my project isn't of the nature that can be distributed through a .deb package
[22:28] <kristian-aalborg> what project do you have?
[22:29] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: https://launchpad.net/minimal-desktop-for-ubuntu
[22:35] <kristian_> aveilleux: box crashed, will check it now
[22:37] <kristian_> seems ambitious?
[22:37] <kristian_> I mean that in a positive way, of course ;)
[23:39] <yax51> ok, so my head phone jack quit working on a new marverick install, and so did my mic....
[23:39] <yax51> I ran this, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/InstallingLinuxAlsaDriverModules
[23:40] <yax51> and now my mic picks up sound and plays it through my speakers, but won't work with any programs (skype, sound recorder ect.) and my headphone jack stil doesn't work
[23:41] <yax51> any thoughts, comments, ideas?
[23:43] <ChrisDruif> Did you complete went through it? (Even rebooted?)
[23:44] <yax51> yup
[23:45] <ChrisDruif> Alright....that guide only tells about installing something :)
[23:46] <ChrisDruif> You might be able to solve it by going to terminal and entering "alsamixer" (without the quotes ofc :P)
[23:47] <ChrisDruif> There you'll see all the channels you've got....maybe mic is turned off or something...
[23:47] <geirha> actually, it'll work with the quotes too ;P
[23:48] <ChrisDruif> Thanks geirha, I'm not always sure (hence the comment :))
[23:48] <yax51> http://imagebin.org/132409
[23:50] <yax51> it's not even detecting my head phones
[23:50] <ChrisDruif> I see that headphone isn't available...I don't know how to fix that though :-/
[23:51] <yax51> I had this same issue with lucid, but I can't remember how i fixed it
[23:51] <ChrisDruif> Hmmm...
[23:51] <ChrisDruif> Maybe note it somewhere this time? :P
[23:51] <yax51> I think I will...
[23:51] <ChrisDruif> Anyways....mic works does work right?
[23:52] <ChrisDruif> Maybe the wrong source is selected at the apps that don't work with it atm?
[23:52] <yax51> hmmm that might be a possibility
[23:56] <yax51> hmm in sound preferences, it shows that the mic isnt even picking up anything....yet I hear the mic from my speakers....
[23:59] <ChrisDruif> (Is it muted? ;)