bcurtiswxgome3team mailing list.. good idea :D00:03
bcurtiswxI've finally got the VM's up, now i have to figure out to link my pbuilder folders so I can install the debs in the VM for testing00:04
bcurtiswxlol, there goes all the dev sprint peeps00:16
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om26erprolly many people are in the rally. evolution 2.30.3-1ubuntu7.2 update in maverick seems to be causing tons and tons of sudden crashers for people.09:17
om26erbug 701777 701051 700991 700554 700153 699702 are the examples09:20
ubot2Launchpad bug 701777 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Evolution crash (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70177709:20
kklimondaom26er: does any one of those have a retraced stacktrace?09:23
om26erthey have to enable apport i guess but people usually dont reply after they are asked to enable apport :p09:24
ebroderugh. does the gnome-desktop package seriously not have a better upstream mailing list than desktop-devel-list@gnome? super lame09:27
vuntzebroder: why?09:29
ebrodervuntz: oh, hi :)09:30
ebrodervuntz: i'm looking at basically a simulator for the g-s-d xrandr plugin09:30
ebroderso i can see what it would do given certain monitor configurations09:30
ebroderbut with the new gobject-based randr stuff in gnome-desktop, i can't build my own GnomeRRConfig and GnomeRROutputInfo objects that aren't based on the actual screen configuration09:30
vuntzebroder: I suggest to ask federico about this09:31
kklimondaebroder: those bug reports don't seem connected to each other09:32
kklimondaom26er: ^09:32
kklimondasorry, wrong nick - you are both blue :)09:32
kklimondathere is one about evo crashing at sending email, another when editing message, yet another is about it crashing when importing contacts09:33
ebrodervuntz: ok, i'll see if i can track him down09:33
om26erkklimonda, all are random crashes with -7.209:33
ebrodervuntz: though probably not until tomorrow :)09:33
om26erthe crash ratio have been relatively low before the update09:33
om26ers/ratio/rate ;)09:34
kklimondathe diff for -7.2 is http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60702450/evolution_2.30.3-1ubuntu7.1_2.30.3-1ubuntu7.2.diff.gz09:34
kklimondathe only change is in the proxy code09:34
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kklimondamaybe they are all hitting this path, but that's unlikely - and without stacktrace it's hard to tell :)09:35
ebrodervuntz: what's going to be the best place to track down federico? just #gnome on irc.g.o?09:36
vuntzebroder: federico1 on freenode, or federico in #gnome-hackers on gimpnet09:37
vuntzebroder: but mail is probably the safest way09:37
ebroderok, cool09:37
om26erkklimonda, commented on every report, someone would atleast give crash logs09:38
kklimondaom26er: if they do, ping me and I'll take a look - also, ping others ;)09:39
kklimondabut you got me curious09:39
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sivanghi all12:32
sivangdoes anybody know if g-c-m now has UI to enable IPP detection upstream, as I think my GUI patch was dropped long ago12:33
sivanghrm, I need to head to ubuntu-gnome12:33
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kenvandinepitti, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63891515:12
ubot2Gnome bug 638915 in introspection "Array of GVariants passed as NULL" [Normal,Unconfirmed]15:12
kenvandinepitti, something maybe you could help with during the hack fest :)15:13
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nessitamvo: hey! while installing today's update I got http://paste.ubuntu.com/553195/15:57
kklimondanessita: there is a gir transition in progress, it's most likely that - see if there are any held packages, and if you can "force upgrade" them15:58
nessitakklimonda: thanks!15:58
kenvandinemterry, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/dbus-test-runner/ubuntu16:01
pittikenvandine: thanks, I'll keep it on the radar for next wek16:05
pittiTheMuso: do we plan to use python-pyatspi or python-pyatspi2 for natty?16:23
bryceh_pitti, http://www.mail-archive.com/gtg-contributors@lists.launchpad.net/msg00093.html16:53
rodrigo__pitti, around?16:55
pittihey rodrigo__, how are you?16:57
rodrigo__hey pitti, how's the snow in dallas? :)16:57
pittirodrigo__: gone :)16:57
dobeypitti: sponsor #701973 plz :)16:57
pittiit didn't stay at all, it melted when hitting the ground16:57
rodrigo__oh, what a pity :-(16:57
dobeyit's still mas frija16:58
pittidobey: sure16:58
rodrigo__pitti, I have a couple of branches for review/sponsor (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-desktop3/2_91_5_release/+merge/45727 and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gsettings-desktop-schemas/0_1_4_release/+merge/45715) can you or someone else in dallas do it, please?16:58
pittidobey: did you send this upstream anywhere? would be nice to include the upstream bug ref in the patch header16:59
dobeynot yet16:59
pittirodrigo__: can do17:01
rodrigo__pitti, thanks17:01
pittirodrigo__: gsettings-desktop-schemas can be synced from Debian instead?17:04
rodrigo__pitti, yes, if it's got 0.1.417:04
pittirodrigo__: yes17:04
rodrigo__then yes :)17:04
madsailor_ hello all.  I am having difficulty changing the backround for the ubuntu login screen.  Docs on the ubuntu help pages talk about modifying /etc/gdm/gdm.conf but this file doesn't exist in this folder on my machine17:04
pittirodrigo__: to avoid dup'ed work, I suggest to check http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gsettings-desktop-schemas.html before you do updates17:05
rodrigo__and how do I ask for a sync from debian?17:05
pittirodrigo__: ping seb128 or me, or use requestsync17:06
rodrigo__cool thanks17:06
pittirodrigo__: according to the .symbols that's breaking ABI17:06
pittirodrigo__: (g-desktop3)17:07
rodrigo__yes, it is17:07
pittirodrigo__: we don't care yet?17:07
rodrigo__pitti, I guess we don't17:07
rodrigo__pulling g-s-d and g-c-c from the PPA will get the correct g-desktop17:07
pittias long as it doesn't break the PPA17:07
pittibut I guess it's easier to fix that than inventing a new soname17:07
pittirodrigo__: up'ed17:12
rodrigo__pitti, thanks!17:12
pittiyw, thanks for preparing them17:12
jcastroLaney: new banshee today iirc?17:19
Laneyso says the oracle17:20
madsailor_hello all.  I am having difficulty changing the backround for the ubuntu login screen.  Docs on the ubuntu help pages talk about modifying /etc/gdm/gdm.conf but this file doesn't exist in this folder on my machine17:21
madsailor_ The orange/purple background for login is OK but I'd like to change it. How can I do this?17:21
Laney#ubuntu for support17:21
jcastroLaney: conor is finishing up the playlist-in-sound-indicator stuff as well17:21
LaneyI heard the sound menu extension is no more17:22
Laneyis that true?17:22
jcastroSounds right, when I see conor next I'll ask him17:22
madsailor_OK, thanks Laney17:22
Laneyi.e. it's all done by the indicator interfacing directly with banshee via mpris or something17:23
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dobeykenvandine: did you get to look at the python-couchdb/desktopcouch packages from chad yet?18:25
kenvandinedobey, no... sorry18:25
kenvandinei need to finish this gdbus/dbusmenu port of the indicators first18:25
kenvandineif it is urgent, i can take a break and look at it18:26
kenvandinebut i am trying not to get distracted, these all need to land at the same time18:26
dobeyright. we just want to get the new version in, as we haven't had an upload since maverick for desktopcouch now18:27
dobeykenvandine: but it's annoying too becuase python-couchdb and desktopcouch have to be uploaded at the same time basically18:28
dobeykenvandine: i can bug pitti or seb or someone to do it instead if that's better?18:28
bigonI've opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/702028 to ask the sync of clutter-gtk package there is already clutter-gtk-1.0 in natty but it could be great if you could not diverge here18:28
ubot2Launchpad bug 702028 in ubuntu "Sync clutter-gtk 0.91.4-3 (universe) from Debian experimental (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,Incomplete]18:28
bigonif somebody of the desktop team could give an ack18:29
kenvandinedobey, if you can't find anyone else... let me know18:29
dobeykenvandine: ok thanks18:29
kenvandinedobey, sorry... the indicator stack is a much bigger set of packages to line up18:30
dobeykenvandine: no worries, totally understand. it's a hectic time :)18:30
* kenvandine still needs to find a way to repay tedg for this :-D18:30
tedgkenvandine, XOXOXOXO ;)18:31
kenvandineyeah yeah18:31
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mterrykenvandine, can you test lp:~mterry/indicator-appmenu/gdbus for me?20:09
mterrykenvandine, ping20:20
mterrykenvandine, lp:~mterry/indicator-appmenu/gdbus20:31
TheMusopitti: It will depend on what version of at-spi we use, either at-spi or at-spi2.20:33
hockebockehi folks!20:43
hockebockeJUst installed a fresh Maverick on a new computer, and since the first startup the theme is completely wrong (old gnome default theme instead of Ambeance)20:44
hockebockeIt turned out to be gnome-settings-daemon hanging. A kill with -KILL (nothing else will do) and then restarting, it all changes into the right theme and is all right.20:45
pittiTheMuso: what's your preference/plan for that?20:49
dobeypitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntu/natty/python-couchdb/201101_0.8-0u1/+merge/4577320:51
dobeypitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntu/natty/desktopcouch/1.0.5-0u1/+merge/4577120:52
SpamapSAnybody know why my natty machine would be ignoring the Appearance theme I selected and just using the default f'ugly gtk theme?20:59
dobeygnome-settings-daemon crashed21:00
SpamapSI've rebooted several times..21:00
SpamapSthis happened after I applied the latest updates21:00
dobeyor it's hanging perhaps21:00
dobeykill it21:00
dobeyand it should restart21:00
SpamapSah so that made something happen briefly21:01
SpamapSfonts started anti-aliasing21:01
SpamapSthen it went back to f'ugly21:01
SpamapSI have a half-installed gnome 321:02
dobeythat would do it probably21:05
SpamapSyes downgraded and all is better21:05
SpamapSdobey: thanks for the tip. :)21:07
SpamapSnow if I can just get google chrome to identify itself as a browser the same wahy FF and Chromium do....21:07
dobeySpamapS: it probably needs the x-scheme-handler/ mime types added to the .desktop file21:09
SpamapSdobey: ahh indeed it does21:10
pittidobey: http://www.fullduplex.org/humor/2006/10/how-to-shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-in-any-programming-language/21:16
SpamapSdobey: so I added the scheme handler stuff to the desktop file in the chrome package.. but it doesn't appear yet as a choice in preferred apps.. have tried logging out / back in... anything else I can do?21:24
dobeySpamapS: you added x-scheme-handler/http;x-scheme-handler/https; to it?21:29
SpamapSdobey: yes21:33
SpamapSdobey: but I have worse problems now.. gnome-settings-daemon is at 100% CPU .. :-/21:34
SpamapSwrite(2, "\n(gnome-settings-daemon:20266): "..., 114) = 11421:34
ebroderSpamapS: what's in ~/.xsession-errors?21:34
SpamapS** (gnome-panel:22690): WARNING **: Operation was cancelled21:35
SpamapShmm there are two gnome-settings-daemon running21:36
SpamapSok, SIGKILL'd it21:36
SpamapSnew one seems healthy21:36
TheMusopitti: Whatever has the best performance. I hope to do soe testing this week to get closer to making a final decision.21:47
pittiTheMuso: thanks; it'd help to clean up a few obsolete libraries21:47
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nessitaseb128: hapy birthday! https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.1.8/+merge/4604922:13
nessitahappy as well :-)22:13
seb128nessita, thanks!22:13
nessitathank you!22:13
bcurtiswxif it's really seb128 birthday then Happy Birthday!22:19
seb128bcurtiswx, no it's not22:20
seb128but thanks ;-)22:20
* bcurtiswx gets all :(22:20
* bcurtiswx punches nessita :P22:21
nessitais seb128's birthday! get him cake, I'll help eating it :-D22:21
dobeythe cake is a lie22:21
seb128nessita eating cake if there is any is not though22:24
chrisccoulsonseb128 - we'll tell the waitresses at the restaurant later that it's your birthday22:31
chrisccoulsonthey'll make you dance on the tables ;)22:31
pittinessita, dobey: filed as bug 70217422:31
ubot2Launchpad bug 702174 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "[natty] u1 gnome-settings-daemon plugin unnecessarily starts ubuntu-sso-login on desktop startup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70217422:31
jhansonxiI'm trying to get wicd to coexist with Network Manager.  I want wicd-curses for recovery mode only.  I modified the NM upstart job to not start in runlevel S but wicd starts in runlevel 2, even with the init script removed.  Why?23:04
TheMusopitti: Preliminary testing shows much better performance compared to the last time I checked, however a lot of the desktop is inaccessible, due to something somewhere still wanting bonobo-activation-server et al to be running.23:06
TheMusopitti: Re at-spi2.23:07
TheMusoHopefully that won't be too hard to track down.23:07
TheMusopitti: Could be that I built an at-spi2 package incorrectly.23:09
mvohey seb128 - in natty, it apperas that the schema registration for /schemas/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/apt/enabled does no longer work - what should I do instead23:12
seb128mvo, read you bug reports? ;-)23:12
seb128mvo, bug #69818123:13
ubot2seb128: Bug 698181 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/698181 is private23:14
dobeyx-scheme-handler/apt ftl23:14
mvoseb128: *cough* thanks!23:14
seb128mvo, you have a merge request on it23:14
seb128mvo, you don't like mterry right?23:14
mterrymvo, I have a branch filed to fix that23:15
mvoI love mterry23:15
mterrymvo, waiting for review23:15
seb128mterry, that's what I was just saying ;-)23:15
mterrymvo, oh, that's what seb128 was saying23:15
seb128mvo, so why don't you review his patches? ;-)23:15
* seb128 stops tickling mvo23:15
* mterry is a few minutes too slow today23:15
mvoseb128: because i'm on a sprint!23:15
seb128mvo, it was open a week before the sprint!23:16
mvoseb128: on thursday night23:16
mvoseb128: right before leaving to the sprint23:16
dobeymvo: you were just waiting for lp to go down to look at it, right?23:16
mvoseb128: ;)23:16
seb128mvo, ok, fair enough ;-)23:16
mvodobey: it was the other way around, LP waited for me before it went down :p23:16
seb128mvo, in any case merge it and let's be happy!23:16
mvoseb128: yeah, it looks good23:17
seb128sure it is, it's coming from mterry ;-)23:17
dobeyhow do i tell debuild to unpack and configure, but not build a package? just exit after doing the ./configure?23:18
ebroderdobey: there's no way to do that that'll work with all packages - the only things a rules file has to support is "build" (i.e. everything you don't have to do as root) and "binary" (i.e. everything you do have to do as root)23:21
dobeyebroder: ok. well i only care about one package right now, network-manager-applet23:22
ebroderdobey: i don't know how that package is put together, but you might be able to do something like "debian/rules configure" or "debian/rules configure-stamp" or maybe even "debian/rules debian/configure-stamp"23:23
dobeyit uses cdbs gnome.mk23:24
dobeyi was hoping for something i could pass to debuild though, so that i can do it by running bzr bd -- $something23:25
dobeyto keep the working tree clean and build elsewhere23:25
dobeylike one can do in rpm ;)23:25
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ebroderdobey: well if that's all you want to do, just use pbuilder or sbuild23:26
dobeyno, i want to do some manual work in the build tree (which is why i want to only do the pre-build steps)23:28

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