[00:03] <bcurtiswx> gome3team mailing list.. good idea :D
[00:03] <bcurtiswx> gnome3team*
[00:04] <bcurtiswx> I've finally got the VM's up, now i have to figure out to link my pbuilder folders so I can install the debs in the VM for testing
[00:16] <bcurtiswx> lol, there goes all the dev sprint peeps
[09:17] <om26er> prolly many people are in the rally. evolution 2.30.3-1ubuntu7.2 update in maverick seems to be causing tons and tons of sudden crashers for people.
[09:20] <om26er> bug 701777 701051 700991 700554 700153 699702 are the examples
[09:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 701777 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Evolution crash (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/701777
[09:23] <kklimonda> om26er: does any one of those have a retraced stacktrace?
[09:24] <om26er> they have to enable apport i guess but people usually dont reply after they are asked to enable apport :p
[09:27] <kklimonda> right
[09:27] <ebroder> ugh. does the gnome-desktop package seriously not have a better upstream mailing list than desktop-devel-list@gnome? super lame
[09:29] <vuntz> ebroder: why?
[09:30] <ebroder> vuntz: oh, hi :)
[09:30] <ebroder> vuntz: i'm looking at basically a simulator for the g-s-d xrandr plugin
[09:30] <ebroder> so i can see what it would do given certain monitor configurations
[09:30] <ebroder> but with the new gobject-based randr stuff in gnome-desktop, i can't build my own GnomeRRConfig and GnomeRROutputInfo objects that aren't based on the actual screen configuration
[09:31] <vuntz> ebroder: I suggest to ask federico about this
[09:32] <kklimonda> ebroder: those bug reports don't seem connected to each other
[09:32] <kklimonda> om26er: ^
[09:32] <kklimonda> sorry, wrong nick - you are both blue :)
[09:33] <kklimonda> there is one about evo crashing at sending email, another when editing message, yet another is about it crashing when importing contacts
[09:33] <ebroder> vuntz: ok, i'll see if i can track him down
[09:33] <om26er> kklimonda, all are random crashes with -7.2
[09:33] <ebroder> vuntz: though probably not until tomorrow :)
[09:33] <om26er> the crash ratio have been relatively low before the update
[09:34] <om26er> s/ratio/rate ;)
[09:34] <kklimonda> the diff for -7.2 is http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60702450/evolution_2.30.3-1ubuntu7.1_2.30.3-1ubuntu7.2.diff.gz
[09:34] <kklimonda> the only change is in the proxy code
[09:35] <kklimonda> maybe they are all hitting this path, but that's unlikely - and without stacktrace it's hard to tell :)
[09:36] <ebroder> vuntz: what's going to be the best place to track down federico? just #gnome on irc.g.o?
[09:37] <vuntz> ebroder: federico1 on freenode, or federico in #gnome-hackers on gimpnet
[09:37] <vuntz> ebroder: but mail is probably the safest way
[09:37] <ebroder> ok, cool
[09:38] <om26er> kklimonda, commented on every report, someone would atleast give crash logs
[09:39] <kklimonda> om26er: if they do, ping me and I'll take a look - also, ping others ;)
[09:39] <kklimonda> but you got me curious
[09:42] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:42] <kklimonda> hey
[12:32] <sivang> hi all
[12:33] <sivang> does anybody know if g-c-m now has UI to enable IPP detection upstream, as I think my GUI patch was dropped long ago
[12:33] <sivang> hrm, I need to head to ubuntu-gnome
[12:33] <sivang> sorry
[15:12] <kenvandine> pitti, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638915
[15:12] <ubot2> Gnome bug 638915 in introspection "Array of GVariants passed as NULL" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[15:13] <kenvandine> pitti, something maybe you could help with during the hack fest :)
[15:57] <nessita> mvo: hey! while installing today's update I got http://paste.ubuntu.com/553195/
[15:58] <kklimonda> nessita: there is a gir transition in progress, it's most likely that - see if there are any held packages, and if you can "force upgrade" them
[15:58] <nessita> kklimonda: thanks!
[16:01] <kenvandine> mterry, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/dbus-test-runner/ubuntu
[16:05] <pitti> kenvandine: thanks, I'll keep it on the radar for next wek
[16:23] <pitti> TheMuso: do we plan to use python-pyatspi or python-pyatspi2 for natty?
[16:53] <bryceh_> pitti, http://www.mail-archive.com/gtg-contributors@lists.launchpad.net/msg00093.html
[16:55] <rodrigo__> pitti, around?
[16:57] <pitti> hey rodrigo__, how are you?
[16:57] <rodrigo__> hey pitti, how's the snow in dallas? :)
[16:57] <pitti> rodrigo__: gone :)
[16:57] <dobey> pitti: sponsor #701973 plz :)
[16:57] <pitti> it didn't stay at all, it melted when hitting the ground
[16:57] <rodrigo__> oh, what a pity :-(
[16:58] <dobey> it's still mas frija
[16:58] <pitti> dobey: sure
[16:58] <rodrigo__> pitti, I have a couple of branches for review/sponsor (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-desktop3/2_91_5_release/+merge/45727 and https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gsettings-desktop-schemas/0_1_4_release/+merge/45715) can you or someone else in dallas do it, please?
[16:59] <pitti> dobey: did you send this upstream anywhere? would be nice to include the upstream bug ref in the patch header
[16:59] <dobey> not yet
[17:01] <pitti> rodrigo__: can do
[17:01] <rodrigo__> pitti, thanks
[17:04] <pitti> rodrigo__: gsettings-desktop-schemas can be synced from Debian instead?
[17:04] <rodrigo__> pitti, yes, if it's got 0.1.4
[17:04] <pitti> rodrigo__: yes
[17:04] <rodrigo__> then yes :)
[17:04] <madsailor_>  hello all.  I am having difficulty changing the backround for the ubuntu login screen.  Docs on the ubuntu help pages talk about modifying /etc/gdm/gdm.conf but this file doesn't exist in this folder on my machine
[17:05] <pitti> rodrigo__: to avoid dup'ed work, I suggest to check http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gsettings-desktop-schemas.html before you do updates
[17:05] <rodrigo__> ok
[17:05] <rodrigo__> and how do I ask for a sync from debian?
[17:06] <pitti> rodrigo__: ping seb128 or me, or use requestsync
[17:06] <rodrigo__> ok
[17:06] <pitti> synced
[17:06] <rodrigo__> cool thanks
[17:06] <pitti> rodrigo__: according to the .symbols that's breaking ABI
[17:07] <pitti> rodrigo__: (g-desktop3)
[17:07] <rodrigo__> yes, it is
[17:07] <pitti> rodrigo__: we don't care yet?
[17:07] <rodrigo__> pitti, I guess we don't
[17:07] <pitti> *nod*
[17:07] <rodrigo__> pulling g-s-d and g-c-c from the PPA will get the correct g-desktop
[17:07] <pitti> as long as it doesn't break the PPA
[17:07] <pitti> but I guess it's easier to fix that than inventing a new soname
[17:08] <rodrigo__> yes
[17:12] <pitti> rodrigo__: up'ed
[17:12] <rodrigo__> pitti, thanks!
[17:12] <pitti> yw, thanks for preparing them
[17:19] <jcastro> Laney: new banshee today iirc?
[17:20] <Laney> so says the oracle
[17:20] <Laney> (http://banshee.fm/about/calendar/)
[17:21] <madsailor_> hello all.  I am having difficulty changing the backround for the ubuntu login screen.  Docs on the ubuntu help pages talk about modifying /etc/gdm/gdm.conf but this file doesn't exist in this folder on my machine
[17:21] <madsailor_>  The orange/purple background for login is OK but I'd like to change it. How can I do this?
[17:21] <Laney> #ubuntu for support
[17:21] <jcastro> Laney: conor is finishing up the playlist-in-sound-indicator stuff as well
[17:21] <Laney> yay
[17:22] <Laney> I heard the sound menu extension is no more
[17:22] <Laney> is that true?
[17:22] <jcastro> Sounds right, when I see conor next I'll ask him
[17:22] <madsailor_> OK, thanks Laney
[17:23] <Laney> i.e. it's all done by the indicator interfacing directly with banshee via mpris or something
[18:25] <dobey> kenvandine: did you get to look at the python-couchdb/desktopcouch packages from chad yet?
[18:25] <kenvandine> dobey, no... sorry
[18:25] <kenvandine> i need to finish this gdbus/dbusmenu port of the indicators first
[18:25] <dobey> ok
[18:26] <kenvandine> if it is urgent, i can take a break and look at it
[18:26] <kenvandine> but i am trying not to get distracted, these all need to land at the same time
[18:27] <dobey> right. we just want to get the new version in, as we haven't had an upload since maverick for desktopcouch now
[18:28] <dobey> kenvandine: but it's annoying too becuase python-couchdb and desktopcouch have to be uploaded at the same time basically
[18:28] <dobey> kenvandine: i can bug pitti or seb or someone to do it instead if that's better?
[18:28] <bigon> I've opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/702028 to ask the sync of clutter-gtk package there is already clutter-gtk-1.0 in natty but it could be great if you could not diverge here
[18:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 702028 in ubuntu "Sync clutter-gtk 0.91.4-3 (universe) from Debian experimental (main) (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,Incomplete]
[18:29] <bigon> if somebody of the desktop team could give an ack
[18:29] <kenvandine> dobey, if you can't find anyone else... let me know
[18:29] <dobey> kenvandine: ok thanks
[18:30] <kenvandine> dobey, sorry... the indicator stack is a much bigger set of packages to line up
[18:30] <dobey> kenvandine: no worries, totally understand. it's a hectic time :)
[18:30]  * kenvandine still needs to find a way to repay tedg for this :-D
[18:31] <tedg> kenvandine, XOXOXOXO ;)
[18:31] <kenvandine> yeah yeah
[20:09] <mterry> kenvandine, can you test lp:~mterry/indicator-appmenu/gdbus for me?
[20:20] <mterry> kenvandine, ping
[20:31] <mterry> kenvandine, lp:~mterry/indicator-appmenu/gdbus
[20:33] <TheMuso> pitti: It will depend on what version of at-spi we use, either at-spi or at-spi2.
[20:43] <hockebocke> hi folks!
[20:44] <hockebocke> JUst installed a fresh Maverick on a new computer, and since the first startup the theme is completely wrong (old gnome default theme instead of Ambeance)
[20:45] <hockebocke> It turned out to be gnome-settings-daemon hanging. A kill with -KILL (nothing else will do) and then restarting, it all changes into the right theme and is all right.
[20:49] <pitti> TheMuso: what's your preference/plan for that?
[20:51] <dobey> pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntu/natty/python-couchdb/201101_0.8-0u1/+merge/45773
[20:52] <dobey> pitti: https://code.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntu/natty/desktopcouch/1.0.5-0u1/+merge/45771
[20:59] <SpamapS> Anybody know why my natty machine would be ignoring the Appearance theme I selected and just using the default f'ugly gtk theme?
[21:00] <dobey> gnome-settings-daemon crashed
[21:00] <SpamapS> I've rebooted several times..
[21:00] <SpamapS> this happened after I applied the latest updates
[21:00] <dobey> or it's hanging perhaps
[21:00] <dobey> kill it
[21:00] <dobey> and it should restart
[21:01] <SpamapS> ah so that made something happen briefly
[21:01] <SpamapS> fonts started anti-aliasing
[21:01] <SpamapS> then it went back to f'ugly
[21:02] <SpamapS> crap
[21:02] <SpamapS> I have a half-installed gnome 3
[21:05] <dobey> that would do it probably
[21:05] <SpamapS> aha
[21:05] <SpamapS> yes downgraded and all is better
[21:07] <SpamapS> dobey: thanks for the tip. :)
[21:07] <SpamapS> now if I can just get google chrome to identify itself as a browser the same wahy FF and Chromium do....
[21:09] <dobey> SpamapS: it probably needs the x-scheme-handler/ mime types added to the .desktop file
[21:10] <SpamapS> dobey: ahh indeed it does
[21:16] <pitti> dobey: http://www.fullduplex.org/humor/2006/10/how-to-shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-in-any-programming-language/
[21:24] <SpamapS> dobey: so I added the scheme handler stuff to the desktop file in the chrome package.. but it doesn't appear yet as a choice in preferred apps.. have tried logging out / back in... anything else I can do?
[21:29] <dobey> SpamapS: you added x-scheme-handler/http;x-scheme-handler/https; to it?
[21:33] <SpamapS> dobey: yes
[21:34] <SpamapS> dobey: but I have worse problems now.. gnome-settings-daemon is at 100% CPU .. :-/
[21:34] <SpamapS> write(2, "\n(gnome-settings-daemon:20266): "..., 114) = 114
[21:34] <ebroder> SpamapS: what's in ~/.xsession-errors?
[21:35] <SpamapS> ** (gnome-panel:22690): WARNING **: Operation was cancelled
[21:36] <SpamapS> hmm there are two gnome-settings-daemon running
[21:36] <SpamapS> ok, SIGKILL'd it
[21:36] <SpamapS> new one seems healthy
[21:47] <TheMuso> pitti: Whatever has the best performance. I hope to do soe testing this week to get closer to making a final decision.
[21:47] <pitti> TheMuso: thanks; it'd help to clean up a few obsolete libraries
[22:13] <nessita> seb128: hapy birthday! https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.1.8/+merge/46049
[22:13] <nessita> happy as well :-)
[22:13] <seb128> nessita, thanks!
[22:13] <nessita> thank you!
[22:19] <bcurtiswx> if it's really seb128 birthday then Happy Birthday!
[22:20] <dobey> heh
[22:20] <seb128> bcurtiswx, no it's not
[22:20] <seb128> but thanks ;-)
[22:20]  * bcurtiswx gets all :(
[22:21]  * bcurtiswx punches nessita :P
[22:21] <nessita> is seb128's birthday! get him cake, I'll help eating it :-D
[22:21] <dobey> the cake is a lie
[22:24] <seb128> nessita eating cake if there is any is not though
[22:24] <seb128> ;-)
[22:31] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - we'll tell the waitresses at the restaurant later that it's your birthday
[22:31] <chrisccoulson> they'll make you dance on the tables ;)
[22:31] <pitti> nessita, dobey: filed as bug 702174
[22:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 702174 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu) "[natty] u1 gnome-settings-daemon plugin unnecessarily starts ubuntu-sso-login on desktop startup (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702174
[22:34] <dobey> heh
[23:04] <jhansonxi> I'm trying to get wicd to coexist with Network Manager.  I want wicd-curses for recovery mode only.  I modified the NM upstart job to not start in runlevel S but wicd starts in runlevel 2, even with the init script removed.  Why?
[23:06] <TheMuso> pitti: Preliminary testing shows much better performance compared to the last time I checked, however a lot of the desktop is inaccessible, due to something somewhere still wanting bonobo-activation-server et al to be running.
[23:07] <TheMuso> pitti: Re at-spi2.
[23:07] <TheMuso> Hopefully that won't be too hard to track down.
[23:09] <TheMuso> pitti: Could be that I built an at-spi2 package incorrectly.
[23:12] <mvo> hey seb128 - in natty, it apperas that the schema registration for /schemas/desktop/gnome/url-handlers/apt/enabled does no longer work - what should I do instead
[23:12] <seb128> mvo, read you bug reports? ;-)
[23:13] <dobey> heh
[23:13] <seb128> mvo, bug #698181
[23:14] <ubot2> seb128: Bug 698181 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/698181 is private
[23:14] <dobey> x-scheme-handler/apt ftl
[23:14] <mvo> seb128: *cough* thanks!
[23:14] <seb128> mvo, you have a merge request on it
[23:14] <seb128> mvo, you don't like mterry right?
[23:14] <seb128> ;-)
[23:15] <mterry> mvo, I have a branch filed to fix that
[23:15] <mvo> I love mterry
[23:15] <mterry> mvo, waiting for review
[23:15] <seb128> mterry, that's what I was just saying ;-)
[23:15] <mterry> mvo, oh, that's what seb128 was saying
[23:15] <seb128> mvo, so why don't you review his patches? ;-)
[23:15]  * seb128 stops tickling mvo
[23:15]  * mterry is a few minutes too slow today
[23:15] <mvo> seb128: because i'm on a sprint!
[23:16] <seb128> mvo, it was open a week before the sprint!
[23:16] <mvo> seb128: on thursday night
[23:16] <mvo> seb128: right before leaving to the sprint
[23:16] <dobey> mvo: you were just waiting for lp to go down to look at it, right?
[23:16] <mvo> seb128: ;)
[23:16] <seb128> mvo, ok, fair enough ;-)
[23:16] <mvo> dobey: it was the other way around, LP waited for me before it went down :p
[23:16] <seb128> mvo, in any case merge it and let's be happy!
[23:16] <dobey> heh
[23:17] <mvo> seb128: yeah, it looks good
[23:17] <seb128> sure it is, it's coming from mterry ;-)
[23:18] <dobey> how do i tell debuild to unpack and configure, but not build a package? just exit after doing the ./configure?
[23:21] <ebroder> dobey: there's no way to do that that'll work with all packages - the only things a rules file has to support is "build" (i.e. everything you don't have to do as root) and "binary" (i.e. everything you do have to do as root)
[23:22] <dobey> ebroder: ok. well i only care about one package right now, network-manager-applet
[23:23] <ebroder> dobey: i don't know how that package is put together, but you might be able to do something like "debian/rules configure" or "debian/rules configure-stamp" or maybe even "debian/rules debian/configure-stamp"
[23:24] <dobey> it uses cdbs gnome.mk
[23:25] <dobey> i was hoping for something i could pass to debuild though, so that i can do it by running bzr bd -- $something
[23:25] <dobey> to keep the working tree clean and build elsewhere
[23:25] <dobey> like one can do in rpm ;)
[23:26] <ebroder> dobey: well if that's all you want to do, just use pbuilder or sbuild
[23:28] <dobey> no, i want to do some manual work in the build tree (which is why i want to only do the pre-build steps)