[00:01] Anyone know how I might get DD-WRT to drop a DHCP lease? [00:02] I changed the Mac address from my old PC to my new one, but my old PC still has a lease [00:02] and the routers not giving me the right IP :( [00:02] isn't there a drop button? [00:02] ;/ [00:03] nope [00:03] under DHCP clients there is a trash icon [00:03] Status->LAN [00:04] so there is [00:04] ty [00:04] I only knew because I check who is doing what every 5 mins :/ [00:05] MattJ: where does prosody store it's db of logins? :) [00:05] hamitron: hehe, that fixed me ty :) [00:06] np [00:06] wish I could get below my download limit [00:06] :/ [00:06] 61 of 60Gb used [00:06] and I want to download 7 cd ISO for CentOS still [00:06] hamitron: switch ISP? [00:06] demon internet [00:07] 60GB on demon? [00:07] I thought they was 200 [00:07] where is my 100mbit/100mbit for £10 a month [00:07] 60gb is good [00:07] come on uk. the swedes have it! [00:07] Azelphur: /var/lib/prosody [00:07] Azelphur: only if you are in a Cable&Wireless exchange [00:08] hamitron: protip for getting unlimited go to samknows put your postcode/number in and look for unbundled options [00:08] those are pretty much your unlimited ISP options [00:08] :D [00:08] I could pay £36 per month for 240Gb [00:09] but I have a feeling that would add to my lack of hdd space [00:09] :/ [00:09] bethere are ok. [00:09] hehe [00:09] i uploaded 300gb last month and no nasty letters [00:09] I have unlimited upload :) [00:09] hurrah! [00:09] who with ? [00:10] well, unrestricted 440kbps [00:10] ;/ [00:10] aah [00:10] i get around 2mbit.. and 18mbit down. got more before they built a cinema and shops next door [00:10] they lowered the line quality! [00:11] I tend to get about 1mbit download, so don't complain ;/ [00:11] and it often drops to 128kbit [00:11] but there are so many linux isos to download! [00:11] all I want is 1 distro! [00:11] i would be happy with 10mbit/10mbit really. sacrifice some download speed for more upstream [00:12] 3 are apparently doing unlimited no fup wireless broadband [00:12] seems interesting if it's not all lies [00:12] hamitron, damn small linux then :) [00:12] I read dsl is dead [00:12] i think so . shame though [00:12] used it on my xbox1 was quite ok [00:12] Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 20480000 [00:13] \o/ [00:13] I think Wary Puppy 5.0 looks like a good alternative [00:13] Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 2080000 [00:13] :S [00:13] popey, 20480000mbit ? :) [00:13] :D [00:13] :) [00:13] gardencam needs your upstream.. especially when it goes hd [00:13] :) [00:14] :) [00:14] I think they should make everyone use 56k for 1 week each month [00:14] it would stop websites from getting bigger ;) [00:14] popey, im getting ubuntu uk podcast withdrawal. you are all allowed a break of course, but it is coming back for a new season right? :) [00:15] ill have to start at the first one again :) [00:15] maybe :) [00:15] i never got a reply about my mirror btw [00:15] who did you mail? [00:15] davewalker [00:16] ok, mail podcast@ubuntu-uk.org [00:16] ok thanks. i got the add off the mirror info site [00:16] ah ok [00:16] he's mega busy at the moment [00:16] we can sort it [00:17] there was no rush or anything. just mentioning it like. im no nag :) [00:17] I appreciate it :) [00:17] right, bed! [00:17] nite! [00:18] MattJ: making progress, \o/ http://pastebin.com/8MrFdSBM [00:18] it does the stanza being handled error for everyone in my contact list [00:19] pidgin finds no transports with service discovery, :( [00:19] hey guys [00:19] think along the lines of things I forgot to copy or wrong permissions, as I just reloaded [00:19] anyone use a version controlled filesystem? [00:19] I want to keep version controlled document store for my company. Wondering what the most 'transparent' method would be. [00:41] Azelphur: that error means Spectrum isn't connected [00:42] spectrum isn't connected to legacy or prosody? [00:43] To Prosody [00:43] I see [00:43] how would I debug that? [00:45] Spectrum's logs perhaps? [00:46] MattJ: yea I looked for them, but there's nothing in /var/log/spectrum :( [00:46] Tried just restarting it? [00:46] brb 10 min [00:46] yup [00:46] kk [00:58] Hmm [00:58] Does Spectrum have a debug mode? [00:59] MattJ: not sure [01:01] MattJ: lol I ran it manually and it worked [01:01] :S [01:01] but if I use the init.d script, it hates me. [01:02] Heh [01:02] What did you do to break everything? :) [01:02] just being me as usual :( [01:03] MattJ: looks like the init script isn't starting them [01:03] or it's causing them to crash on startup [01:03] because they arn't running after I start them [01:05] still obviously a spectrum problem, I'll keep plugging at it ty :D [01:06] np, perhaps HanzZ can help when he wakes up :) [01:06] [01/12/11 01:02:31] Unloading plugin XMPP [01:06] just noticed that xD [01:06] just in case you wanted to have XMPP in your XMPP, you can now. [01:07] Oh you can :) [01:07] we herd u liek xmpp, so we put xmpp in ur xmpp so u can xmpp while u xmpp. [01:07] \o/ [01:07] :) [01:13] MattJ: went into the init.d script and found it runs them with -q, which means print no output, changed that and got it complaining about permissions [01:13] fixed all the permissions, still doesn't start :D [01:13] lol [01:13] Did you chmod your whole system or something? :) [01:14] MattJ: I just copied files across without preserving permissions, probably should have preserved :P [01:15] hacked up the init.d script even moar, got some new errors yay [01:16] success, I got it :D [01:16] Yay :) [01:17] I had to hack up the init.d to remove quiet, echo command output, echo the command it was running :P [01:17] and that got me the errors \o/ [01:20] ty :p === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [07:38] morning all [07:38] \o AlanBell [07:39] mornin [07:39] Morning [07:40] time for tea! === j0nr_ is now known as j0nr [08:10] morning! [08:32] morning :) [08:35] Every 6 months I have to sign a form to say that I haven't had any negative reactions to latex gloves, not generally a problem in my desk based sysadmin post.. [08:41] screen-x: My wife has to do something similar working in the NHS, some people have reactions to either the latex, or the talc that gets used in some brands [08:41] screen-x: well, there's the LARTing of course [08:41] screen-x: you do wear latex gloves for that, don't you? [08:42] screen-x: ever tempted to write "I can hardly sit down" on the form? [08:42] AlanBell: euugh [08:42] AlanBell: "People react negatively all the time when I put them on" [08:42] AlanBell: I did once write "no problems with latex, but lyx causes irritation" [08:43] top geekiness :) [08:43] I hope they're not the same gloves vets use that cover from the fingers through to the shoulder [08:48] screen-x: Did you wonder if someonw processing the form had to go and look up what Lyx is? [08:50] daubers: maybe ;-) [08:50] Wonder which they consulted first, a medical text book or google [08:51] * daubers ponders if there's another router lying around the office so he can simulate the system going into the DC [09:11] Good morning fellows :) [09:11] good morning! [09:28] If I update a project's trac.ini, I shouldn't have to restart anything for changes to take effect. Should I? [09:50] * AlanBell heads off to Londong [09:53] \o AlanBell [09:53] cabinet office in Admiralty Arch today [09:53] o/ everyone else :) [09:54] AlanBell: ooh, sounds...interesting [09:54] Morning [09:56] mornign bigcalm:) [09:57] danfish: yup, they are keen on Open Source at the moment [09:57] czajkowski's boss will be there too [09:58] Is it "keen on open source", or "keen on cheap/free" software [09:59] cheap [09:59] Thought so [09:59] however we are trying to educate them on the value of Free [09:59] Grrr [09:59] I can send email using mutt but trac fails to send anything [09:59] * bigcalm turns green and rips his shirt off [10:00] ewww, bigcalm has gone mouldy [10:01] ZOMBIE ATTACK [10:02] don't you just love that feeling when you do sudo halt on the wrong machine [10:02] Ouch [10:02] AlanBell: I was wondering where you'd gone! [10:02] AlanBell: no [10:02] especially when the machine is not in the vicinity [10:02] AlanBell, at least the machine wasn't off in a remote datacenter? [10:02] this time I will actually go, and I will turn off the *laptop* [10:03] directhex: yeah, it is on a shelf behind me which isn't too bad [10:03] AlanBell: invite the cab office folks to the opensourceexpo ;) [10:03] danfish: I will [10:11] morning all [10:14] hi folks [10:14] morning dwatkins [10:23] how do KVM VMs boot so fast? its nuts. [10:25] is there any way to upload to ubuntu one on the command line? [10:26] krimzon2: cp the file to a synced dir? [10:26] screen-x: shurely you're not including windows vm'sin that statement? [10:26] danfish: this one is an ubuntu server vm [10:28] hmm... is it possible to sync folders on ubuntu server? [10:29] krimzon2: create a sym link to a synced dir [10:33] Good morning chaps! [10:33] good monin :) [10:34] Morning mukka [10:35] morning popey [10:38] how would I set up a synced dir on a server? I've been looking around trying to find what protocols I can use [10:38] rdiff [10:38] ahh, sweet [10:39] Is one option that I'm sure others can add to [10:39] plain rsync is an option [10:40] Oops, I meant to say rsync [10:40] Been using rdiff-backup, which confused me [10:43] I mostly want to automatically back up stuff I couldn't replace if my house burnt down [10:44] morning! [10:44] haha, having a fab day :) [10:44] andylockran: excellent! [10:44] long day yesterday, but today @BsBrumbleBee is keeping me sane :p having such a laugh [10:46] Are tehre plans for an open-sauce-expo themed pub trip? [10:46] I might not make the expo, but I may be coming to london that day anyway [10:52] I remember this article, something like "CSV done right" that expounded on the right way to do CSV files and how not to do them (ie - Excel) on the web but I can't find it.. :-( [10:53] okay, here's the strategy [10:53] you take values [10:53] and you separate them with commas [10:53] MAGIC [10:53] hehe [10:53] That sounds rather complex for my linking [10:53] how about using XML instead/ [10:54] I wanted to link to it to someone who wants a CSV file [10:55] I want to do it right ; ie - one char for escape, one for field separator, one for record separator - and that's it [10:55] None of this quoted / unquoted fields bollocks [10:56] I use pipes instead of commas [10:56] I was intending to use tabs [10:56] bigcalm, use unicode poops [10:56] no risk of those being in your document [10:57] But the characters you select are of little consequence if you know the escape character [10:57] You could use "e" [10:57] What the hell is a poop? [10:57] http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm [10:57] Is that a real char name or a made up one (like "squonk", which is my name for that one on the top-left key on the UK layout) [10:58] Muahahhaaha [10:58] it's part of the unicode 6.0 additional characters [10:59] awilkins: squonk? I like it. I call it the doom-shell-key :) [10:59] so is Unicode Character 'CAT FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY' (U+1F639) [10:59] http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f639/index.htm [10:59] Though I did enjoy working with someone who referred to '*' as 'splat' [10:59] "ls splat dot splat" [10:59] Was backronym for "SQuare thing ON the Corner" (but looks better with a K than a C) [11:01] directhex: hilarious that that character exists! [11:02] its like clipart all over again http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/block/miscellaneous_symbols_and_pictographs/images.htm [11:03] Who came up with these? [11:04] screen-x, but now all your fonts need those characters! [11:04] bigcalm, japanese mobile phone companies. [11:04] my browser/font fails every symbol in that block [11:04] "sorry I can't use the ubuntu font, it doesn't have a steaming..." [11:05] hah [11:05] I see [11:05] Shortcake seems wrong [11:07] LOVE HOTEL [11:07] bwahahahahahahahahhaaa [11:08] Are glyphs allowed to define colours? http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f49a/index.htm [11:08] "Fields will be separated by PILE OF POOP, records by CATFACE WITH TEARS OF JOY, and the file will be terminated with LOVE HOTEL" [11:09] Pile of poo, amazing [11:09] screen-x, no. it's just a letter, like r or % or þ [11:09] directhex: so how can "green heart" exist? [11:09] ł¶ŧ←↓→øþłĸjħŋđðßæ«»¢“”nµ [11:09] or is it an alternate meaning of green? [11:10] screen-x, with difficulty [11:10] Presentation is up to the font author [11:10] Just like you could have a font of ROT-13 [11:10] screen-x, i guess what awilkins said, i.e. the client device can replace the glyph with a coloured image [11:10] * tugrik pops in to the channel on one of his sporadic visits [11:10] * tugrik scrolls up [11:10] * tugrik boggles [11:10] awilkins, windings! [11:11] WingDings are what you get when you want stupid-assed chars before you've invented unicode [11:11] I didn't realise how little I knew about unicode... I have no idea how much of the previous 100 lines is genuine or not ;) [11:11] tugrik: I thought they were being made up until I looked at http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/version/6.0/index.htm [11:12] you can fall back to another font if a symbol is not found [11:14] reality is funnier than make believe [11:14] 'WOMAN WITH BUNNY EARS' (U+1F46F) [11:15] http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f624/index.htm [11:15] hmmm, not sure that's "FACE WITH LOOK OF TRIUMPH" [11:15] Is there "CATGIRL" ? [11:16] Hmm.. Googling "unicode CATGIRL" has some disturbing links [11:16] it's always best to google with safesearch off [11:16] amazing what brings up NSFW images [11:17] And to hit "I'm feeling lucky" when using search terms like "catgirl" [11:18] Anyone got any good ideas for how to detect adverts in TV programs? [11:18] louder sound [11:18] seeker: decrease in dynamic range [11:18] screen-x: YOU AGAIN! :P [11:18] :p [11:18] seeker, The MythTV project has some implementation of that [11:18] is there an issue with using ! on the linux commandline [11:19] MartijnVdS: Apart from the fact the sound isn't actually louder :P [11:19] andylockran: yes [11:19] andylockran: only if you use it once [11:19] awilkins: Yeah, but it sucks for UK television [11:19] andylockran: if you use it >1x in a line, you're fine (unless it's !!, that's special too) [11:19] seeker, They have a bunch of methods ; logo detection, blank keyframes some multiple of 30s apart, etc. [11:19] andylockran: yes [11:19] seeker: it appears louder [11:19] seeker: depending on the interface you have, couldn't you identify that standard image before and after ad breaks for a particular programme? [11:20] seeker, I think the TV networks are wise to it and have implemented countermeasures like video testcards for programs, etc. [11:20] MartijnVdS: That'd be the loss in dynamic range :P [11:20] seeker, Saw a cue dot for the first time in a decade recently [11:20] seeker, They used to be very common, now they are a rare thing [11:20] awilkins: Yeah [11:20] MartijnVdS: multiple ! does weird things, so I don't think >2 is safe [11:21] bigcalm: there are such plans, check on the etherpad [11:21] AlanBell: ? [11:21] pub [11:21] expo [11:21] tugrik: I've done gstreamer command lines fine [11:21] AlanBell: tab failure? [11:21] AlanBell: you mean BigRedS [11:21] tugrik: but to be safe, escape \! :) [11:23] Hmm, I wonder if average frame brightness would be useful [11:23] too many big people [11:23] Or colour saturation [11:23] seeker, Depending on the genre, possibly [11:23] * bigcalm struts his stuff [11:23] bigcalm: you can come to the pub with BigRedS if you like [11:23] Heh [11:24] why do you ask seeker ? [11:24] seeker, The audio compression thing will go away - there has been legislation against it recently in at least one domain. [11:24] awilkins: I think that'd work for cartoons [11:24] awilkins: actually a good thing, too [11:24] MartijnVdS, Just not for commercial detection that uses it :-) [11:24] tugrik: Fed up with having tom manually skip ads in mythtv [11:24] Another option would be a disappearing channel logo [11:24] Myth does logo detect [11:25] To the point where I'm considering trying to find a better way and implementing it :P [11:26] seeker: hire someone to write an XML file describing every ad :) [11:26] seeker: "10:30-10:35" [11:26] seeker: "10:40-10:45" [11:26] etc. [11:27] MartijnVdS: I think I'd rather clean streets [11:29] any docs on setting up sftp on ubuntu [11:29] apt-get install ssh [11:29] screen-x: not openssh-server? [11:30] Package: ssh Depends: openssh-client, openssh-server [11:30] oh [11:30] didn't know that :) [11:31] ah, ok ta [11:31] argh, lftp as a sftp client [11:36] it works :p === denny- is now known as denny [11:46] [11:47] lost for works ? [11:47] words * [11:52] msgme4childporn: thats a really inappropriate nickname you've selected there [11:52] ummm i should change it? [11:53] ummm, yes. === msgme4childporn is now known as dfrt67ytgftyu [11:53] tbh I think that needs a kickban [11:59] dynamic ip, won't help [12:03] directhex: could just ban btcentralplus.com :) [12:03] no please dont do that :( [12:03] dfrt67ytgftyu: why would you have such a nick in the 1st place? [12:03] it's a massively inappropriate nickname... [12:04] i dont know i thought theres no rules on irc [12:04] Each network has its own subset of rules. You should read the CoC [12:04] dfrt67ytgftyu: there are rules on freenode [12:04] Hmm, I wonder how the computing law fits around that. [12:05] dfrt67ytgftyu: there are also certain levels of decency that I'd hope people would stick to with/without rules. === lan3y is now known as Laney [12:15] zyxel routers are a pain in the bum [12:15] popey: box came today, I'm so happy [12:16] daubers: cheap and painful? [12:16] screen-x: I can't even get the poxy things to route properly! [12:16] always a handy feature in a router [12:17] All the static routes are correct, but still nothing. Firewall is apparently off, still nothing [12:17] stupid blasted cheap rubbish [12:17] daubers: can you telnet in? [12:18] screen-x: Nope. Even though telnet is supposedly on [12:18] rubbish :( [12:21] Finally get into that, and it's essentially the web interface. Can't even see the poxy routing tables! [12:24] * MartijnVdS read that as "proxy routing tables" and was confused [12:25] hi, if i want to install packages which are available from more than one package repo in my sources.list, how can I ask apt to prefer one repo over another ? [12:25] it will default to newest version [12:26] is that not what you want? [12:26] you can use pinning, but that requires a degree in abstract mathematics to configure [12:26] daubers: install dd-wrt? [12:26] hah [12:27] I have PHP pinned to 5.2 as some of my clients' projects won't work on 5.3 and there is no budget for upgrading time [12:27] That was a PitA to set up [12:27] the problem i have is that i have to boot off the live cd every time, so im trying to create a local package repo so I can install the software I need quicker [12:28] i dont necerssarily need the newest versions, [12:28] You can burn a live CD with packages you need on it [12:28] or a live-DVD [12:28] or a live-USB-stick [12:29] which might work around the problems as well :) [12:32] drt6778 looks like you're booted to a live CD/USB stick already [12:32] i dont like cds, i just need to make apt get stuff from the local repo instead [12:32] 12:32:05 [freenode] -!- drt6778 [~ubuntu@host81-129-61-108.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] [12:32] 12:32:05 [freenode] -!- ircname : Live session user [12:32] popey: yeah i am, [12:32] right [12:45] lol this isnt actually possible [13:01] any idea how to enable the flash recovery area in Oracle XE ? [13:02] I have just been on the phone to HP for about an hour trying to get this P1005 working [13:02] and i aksed to be put through to the right department and they transferred me to O2's home broadband callcentre!!!! [13:02] Rediculous. [13:15] danfish: Tempting === Gary is now known as evilGary [13:34] Heh, the evil one returns === niko is now known as evilNiko === BigRedS is now known as QuitePleasantBig [13:38] bah. === QuitePleasantBig is now known as BigRedS [13:38] Pleasant? ;/ [13:39] well, I thought there was a lot of evil happening [13:39] guess I was lucky enough to miss it [13:39] :) [13:43] haha [13:48] Hmmm ; shame that drt6778 fellow went, I think he wanted "apt-mirror" [13:49] or apt-proxy [13:50] Transparent Squid proxy. [13:51] A bit overkill, you just tell the installer not to update from remote repos while installing and then configure it to use your local repo proxy [13:51]