[00:01] <Azelphur> Anyone know how I might get DD-WRT to drop a DHCP lease?
[00:02] <Azelphur> I changed the Mac address from my old PC to my new one, but my old PC still has a lease
[00:02] <Azelphur> and the routers not giving me the right IP :(
[00:02] <hamitron> isn't there a drop button?
[00:02] <hamitron> ;/
[00:03] <Azelphur> nope
[00:03] <hamitron> under DHCP clients there is a trash icon
[00:03] <hamitron> Status->LAN
[00:04] <Azelphur> so there is
[00:04] <Azelphur> ty
[00:04] <hamitron> I only knew because I check who is doing what every 5 mins :/
[00:05] <Azelphur> MattJ: where does prosody store it's db of logins? :)
[00:05] <Azelphur> hamitron: hehe, that fixed me ty :)
[00:06] <hamitron> np
[00:06] <hamitron> wish I could get below my download limit
[00:06] <hamitron> :/
[00:06] <hamitron> 61 of 60Gb used
[00:06] <hamitron> and I want to download 7 cd ISO for CentOS still
[00:06] <Azelphur> hamitron: switch ISP?
[00:06] <hamitron> demon internet
[00:07] <Azelphur> 60GB on demon?
[00:07] <Azelphur> I thought they was 200
[00:07] <exobuzz> where is my 100mbit/100mbit for £10 a month
[00:07] <hamitron> 60gb is good
[00:07] <exobuzz> come on uk. the swedes have it!
[00:07] <MattJ> Azelphur: /var/lib/prosody
[00:07] <hamitron> Azelphur: only if you are in a Cable&Wireless exchange
[00:08] <Azelphur> hamitron: protip for getting unlimited go to samknows put your postcode/number in and look for unbundled options
[00:08] <Azelphur> those are pretty much your unlimited ISP options
[00:08] <Azelphur> :D
[00:08] <hamitron> I could pay £36 per month for 240Gb
[00:09] <hamitron> but I have a feeling that would add to my lack of hdd space
[00:09] <hamitron> :/
[00:09] <exobuzz> bethere are ok.
[00:09] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:09] <exobuzz> i uploaded 300gb last month and no nasty letters
[00:09] <hamitron> I have unlimited upload :)
[00:09] <exobuzz> hurrah!
[00:09] <exobuzz> who with ?
[00:10] <hamitron> well, unrestricted 440kbps
[00:10] <hamitron> ;/
[00:10] <exobuzz> aah
[00:10] <exobuzz> i get around 2mbit.. and 18mbit down. got more before they built a cinema and shops next door
[00:10] <exobuzz> they lowered the line quality!
[00:11] <hamitron> I tend to get about 1mbit download, so don't complain ;/
[00:11] <hamitron> and it often drops to 128kbit
[00:11] <exobuzz> but there are so many linux isos to download!
[00:11] <hamitron> all I want is 1 distro!
[00:11] <exobuzz> i would be happy with 10mbit/10mbit really. sacrifice some download speed for more upstream
[00:12] <Azelphur> 3 are apparently doing unlimited no fup wireless broadband
[00:12] <Azelphur> seems interesting if it's not all lies
[00:12] <exobuzz> hamitron, damn small linux then :)
[00:12] <hamitron> I read dsl is dead
[00:12] <exobuzz> i think so . shame though
[00:12] <exobuzz> used it on my xbox1 was quite ok
[00:12] <popey> Maximum Downstream Data Rate :  20480000
[00:13] <popey> \o/
[00:13] <hamitron> I think Wary Puppy 5.0 looks like a good alternative
[00:13] <popey> Maximum Upstream Data Rate :  2080000
[00:13] <popey> :S
[00:13] <exobuzz> popey, 20480000mbit ? :)
[00:13] <exobuzz> :D
[00:13] <popey> :)
[00:13] <exobuzz> gardencam needs your upstream.. especially when it goes hd
[00:13] <exobuzz> :)
[00:14] <popey> :)
[00:14] <hamitron> I think they should make everyone use 56k for 1 week each month
[00:14] <hamitron> it would stop websites from getting bigger ;)
[00:14] <exobuzz> popey, im getting ubuntu uk podcast withdrawal. you are all allowed a break of course, but it is coming back for a new season right? :)
[00:15] <exobuzz> ill have to start at the first one again :)
[00:15] <popey> maybe :)
[00:15] <exobuzz> i never got a reply about my mirror btw
[00:15] <popey> who did you mail?
[00:15] <exobuzz> davewalker
[00:16] <popey> ok, mail podcast@ubuntu-uk.org
[00:16] <exobuzz> ok thanks. i got the add off the mirror info site
[00:16] <popey> ah ok
[00:16] <popey> he's mega busy at the moment
[00:16] <popey> we can sort it
[00:17] <exobuzz> there was no rush or anything. just mentioning it like. im no nag :)
[00:17] <popey> I appreciate it :)
[00:17] <popey> right, bed!
[00:17] <exobuzz> nite!
[00:18] <Azelphur> MattJ: making progress, \o/ http://pastebin.com/8MrFdSBM
[00:18] <Azelphur> it does the stanza being handled error for everyone in my contact list
[00:19] <Azelphur> pidgin finds no transports with service discovery, :(
[00:19] <andylockran> hey guys
[00:19] <Azelphur> think along the lines of things I forgot to copy or wrong permissions, as I just reloaded
[00:19] <andylockran> anyone use a version controlled filesystem?
[00:19] <andylockran> I want to keep version controlled document store for my company.  Wondering what the most 'transparent' method would be.
[00:41] <MattJ> Azelphur: that error means Spectrum isn't connected
[00:42] <Azelphur> spectrum isn't connected to legacy or prosody?
[00:43] <MattJ> To Prosody
[00:43] <Azelphur> I see
[00:43] <Azelphur> how would I debug that?
[00:45] <MattJ> Spectrum's logs perhaps?
[00:46] <Azelphur> MattJ: yea I looked for them, but there's nothing in /var/log/spectrum :(
[00:46] <MattJ> Tried just restarting it?
[00:46] <MattJ> brb 10 min
[00:46] <Azelphur> yup
[00:46] <Azelphur> kk
[00:58] <MattJ> Hmm
[00:58] <MattJ> Does Spectrum have a debug mode?
[00:59] <Azelphur> MattJ: not sure
[01:01] <Azelphur> MattJ: lol I ran it manually and it worked
[01:01] <Azelphur> :S
[01:01] <Azelphur> but if I use the init.d script, it hates me.
[01:02] <MattJ> Heh
[01:02] <MattJ> What did you do to break everything? :)
[01:02] <Azelphur> just being me as usual :(
[01:03] <Azelphur> MattJ: looks like the init script isn't starting them
[01:03] <Azelphur> or it's causing them to crash on startup
[01:03] <Azelphur> because they arn't running after I start them
[01:05] <Azelphur> still obviously a spectrum problem, I'll keep plugging at it ty :D
[01:06] <MattJ> np, perhaps HanzZ can help when he wakes up :)
[01:06] <Azelphur> [01/12/11 01:02:31] <libpurple/plugins> Unloading plugin XMPP
[01:06] <Azelphur> just noticed that xD
[01:06] <Azelphur> just in case you wanted to have XMPP in your XMPP, you can now.
[01:07] <MattJ> Oh you can :)
[01:07] <Azelphur> we herd u liek xmpp, so we put xmpp in ur xmpp so u can xmpp while u xmpp.
[01:07] <Azelphur> \o/
[01:07] <MattJ> :)
[01:13] <Azelphur> MattJ: went into the init.d script and found it runs them with -q, which means print no output, changed that and got it complaining about permissions
[01:13] <Azelphur> fixed all the permissions, still doesn't start :D
[01:13] <Azelphur> lol
[01:13] <MattJ> Did you chmod your whole system or something? :)
[01:14] <Azelphur> MattJ: I just copied files across without preserving permissions, probably should have preserved :P
[01:15] <Azelphur> hacked up the init.d script even moar, got some new errors yay
[01:16] <Azelphur> success, I got it :D
[01:16] <MattJ> Yay :)
[01:17] <Azelphur> I had to hack up the init.d to remove quiet, echo command output, echo the command it was running :P
[01:17] <Azelphur> and that got me the errors \o/
[01:20] <Azelphur> ty :p
[07:38] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:38] <MartijnVdS> \o AlanBell
[07:39] <xenic> mornin
[07:39] <daubers> Morning
[07:40] <MartijnVdS> time for tea!
[08:10] <j0nr> morning!
[08:32] <screen-x> morning :)
[08:35] <screen-x> Every 6 months I have to sign a form to say that I haven't had any negative reactions to latex gloves, not generally a problem in my desk based sysadmin post..
[08:41] <DJones> screen-x: My wife has to do something similar working in the NHS, some people have reactions to either the latex, or the talc that gets used in some brands
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: well, there's the LARTing of course
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: you do wear latex gloves for that, don't you?
[08:42] <AlanBell> screen-x: ever tempted to write "I can hardly sit down" on the form?
[08:42] <screen-x> AlanBell: euugh
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "People react negatively all the time when I put them on"
[08:42] <screen-x> AlanBell: I did once write "no problems with latex, but lyx causes irritation"
[08:43] <AlanBell> top geekiness :)
[08:43] <DJones> I hope they're not the same gloves vets use that cover from the fingers through to the shoulder
[08:48] <daubers> screen-x: Did you wonder if someonw processing the form had to go and look up what Lyx is?
[08:50] <screen-x> daubers: maybe ;-)
[08:50] <daubers> Wonder which they consulted first, a medical text book or google
[08:51]  * daubers ponders if there's another router lying around the office so he can simulate the system going into the DC
[09:11] <bigcalm> Good morning fellows :)
[09:11] <BigRedS> good morning!
[09:28] <bigcalm> If I update a project's trac.ini, I shouldn't have to restart anything for changes to take effect. Should I?
[09:50]  * AlanBell heads off to Londong
[09:53] <danfish> \o AlanBell
[09:53] <AlanBell> cabinet office in Admiralty Arch today
[09:53] <danfish> o/ everyone else :)
[09:54] <danfish> AlanBell: ooh, sounds...interesting
[09:54] <bigcalm> Morning
[09:56] <screen-x> mornign bigcalm:)
[09:57] <AlanBell> danfish: yup, they are keen on Open Source at the moment
[09:57] <AlanBell> czajkowski's boss will be there too
[09:58] <DJones> Is it "keen on open source", or "keen on cheap/free" software
[09:59] <AlanBell> cheap
[09:59] <DJones> Thought so
[09:59] <AlanBell> however we are trying to educate them on the value of Free
[09:59] <bigcalm> Grrr
[09:59] <bigcalm> I can send email using mutt but trac fails to send anything
[09:59]  * bigcalm turns green and rips his shirt off
[10:00] <DJones> ewww, bigcalm has gone mouldy
[10:01] <MartijnVdS>  ZOMBIE ATTACK
[10:02] <AlanBell> don't you just love that feeling when you do sudo halt on the wrong machine
[10:02] <bigcalm> Ouch
[10:02] <danfish> AlanBell: I was wondering where you'd gone!
[10:02] <screen-x> AlanBell: no
[10:02] <screen-x> especially when the machine is not in the vicinity
[10:02] <directhex> AlanBell, at least the machine wasn't off in a remote datacenter?
[10:02] <AlanBell> this time I will actually go, and I will turn off the *laptop*
[10:03] <AlanBell> directhex: yeah, it is on a shelf behind me which isn't too bad
[10:03] <danfish> AlanBell: invite the cab office folks to the opensourceexpo ;)
[10:03] <AlanBell> danfish: I will
[10:11] <davmor2> morning all
[10:14] <dwatkins> hi folks
[10:14] <davmor2> morning dwatkins
[10:23] <screen-x> how do KVM VMs boot so fast? its nuts.
[10:25] <krimzon2> is there any way to upload to ubuntu one on the command line?
[10:26] <screen-x> krimzon2: cp the file to a synced dir?
[10:26] <danfish> screen-x: shurely you're not including windows vm'sin that statement?
[10:26] <screen-x> danfish: this one is an ubuntu server vm
[10:28] <krimzon2> hmm... is it possible to sync folders on ubuntu server?
[10:29] <freckle> krimzon2: create a sym link to a synced dir
[10:33] <popey> Good morning chaps!
[10:33] <screen-x> good monin :)
[10:34] <bigcalm> Morning mukka
[10:35] <davmor2> morning popey
[10:38] <krimzon2> how would I set up a synced dir on a server? I've been looking around trying to find what protocols I can use
[10:38] <bigcalm> rdiff
[10:38] <krimzon2> ahh, sweet
[10:39] <bigcalm> Is one option that I'm sure others can add to
[10:39] <screen-x> plain rsync is an option
[10:40] <bigcalm> Oops, I meant to say rsync
[10:40] <bigcalm> Been using rdiff-backup, which confused me
[10:43] <krimzon2> I mostly want to automatically back up stuff I couldn't replace if my house burnt down
[10:44] <andylockran> morning!
[10:44] <andylockran> haha, having a fab day :)
[10:44] <screen-x> andylockran: excellent!
[10:44] <andylockran> long day yesterday, but today @BsBrumbleBee is keeping me sane :p  having such a laugh
[10:46] <BigRedS> Are tehre plans for an open-sauce-expo themed pub trip?
[10:46] <BigRedS> I might not make the expo, but I may be coming to london that day anyway
[10:52] <awilkins> I remember this article, something like "CSV done right" that expounded on the right way to do CSV files and how not to do them (ie - Excel) on the web but I can't find it.. :-(
[10:53] <directhex> okay, here's the strategy
[10:53] <directhex> you take values
[10:53] <directhex> and you separate them with commas
[10:53] <directhex> MAGIC
[10:53] <andylockran> hehe
[10:53] <BigRedS> That sounds rather complex for my linking
[10:53] <BigRedS> how about using XML instead/
[10:54] <awilkins> I wanted to link to it to someone who wants a CSV file
[10:55] <awilkins> I want to do it right ; ie - one char for escape, one for field separator, one for record separator - and that's it
[10:55] <awilkins> None of this quoted / unquoted fields bollocks
[10:56] <bigcalm> I use pipes instead of commas
[10:56] <awilkins> I was intending to use tabs
[10:56] <directhex> bigcalm, use unicode poops
[10:56] <directhex> no risk of those being in your document
[10:57] <awilkins> But the characters you select are of little consequence if you know the escape character
[10:57] <awilkins> You could use "e"
[10:57] <awilkins> What the hell is a poop?
[10:57] <directhex> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f4a9/index.htm
[10:57] <awilkins> Is that a real char name or a made up one (like "squonk", which is my name for that one on the top-left key on the UK layout)
[10:58] <awilkins> Muahahhaaha
[10:58] <directhex> it's part of the unicode 6.0 additional characters
[10:59] <BigRedS> awilkins: squonk? I like it. I call it the doom-shell-key :)
[10:59] <directhex> so is Unicode Character 'CAT FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY' (U+1F639)
[10:59] <directhex> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f639/index.htm
[10:59] <BigRedS> Though I did enjoy working with someone who referred to '*' as 'splat'
[10:59] <BigRedS> "ls splat dot splat"
[10:59] <awilkins> Was backronym for "SQuare thing ON the Corner" (but looks better with a K than a C)
[11:01] <screen-x> directhex: hilarious that that character exists!
[11:02] <screen-x> its like clipart all over again http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/block/miscellaneous_symbols_and_pictographs/images.htm
[11:03] <bigcalm> Who came up with these?
[11:04] <directhex> screen-x, but now all your fonts need those characters!
[11:04] <directhex> bigcalm, japanese mobile phone companies.
[11:04] <screen-x> my browser/font fails every symbol in that block
[11:04] <screen-x> "sorry I can't use the ubuntu font, it doesn't have a steaming..."
[11:05] <popey> hah
[11:05] <bigcalm> I see
[11:05] <bigcalm> Shortcake seems wrong
[11:07] <awilkins> LOVE HOTEL
[11:07] <awilkins> bwahahahahahahahahhaaa
[11:08] <screen-x> Are glyphs allowed to define colours? http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f49a/index.htm
[11:08] <awilkins> "Fields will be separated by PILE OF POOP, records by CATFACE WITH TEARS OF JOY, and the file will be terminated with LOVE HOTEL"
[11:09] <bigcalm> Pile of poo, amazing
[11:09] <directhex> screen-x, no. it's just a letter, like r or % or þ
[11:09] <screen-x> directhex: so how can "green heart" exist?
[11:09] <directhex> ł¶ŧ←↓→øþłĸjħŋđðßæ«»¢“”nµ
[11:09] <screen-x> or is it an alternate meaning of green?
[11:10] <directhex> screen-x, with difficulty
[11:10] <awilkins> Presentation is up to the font author
[11:10] <awilkins> Just like you could have a font of ROT-13
[11:10] <directhex> screen-x, i guess what awilkins said, i.e. the client device can replace the glyph with a coloured image
[11:10]  * tugrik pops in to the channel on one of his sporadic visits
[11:10]  * tugrik scrolls up
[11:10]  * tugrik boggles
[11:10] <directhex> awilkins, windings!
[11:11] <awilkins> WingDings are what you get when you want stupid-assed chars before you've invented unicode
[11:11] <tugrik> I didn't realise how little I knew about unicode... I have no idea how much of the previous 100 lines is genuine or not ;)
[11:11] <DJones> tugrik: I thought they were being made up until I looked at http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/version/6.0/index.htm
[11:12] <Laney> you can fall back to another font if a symbol is not found
[11:14] <directhex> reality is funnier than make believe
[11:14] <screen-x> 'WOMAN WITH BUNNY EARS' (U+1F46F)
[11:15] <tugrik> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f624/index.htm
[11:15] <tugrik> hmmm, not sure that's "FACE WITH LOOK OF TRIUMPH"
[11:15] <awilkins> Is there "CATGIRL" ?
[11:16] <awilkins> Hmm.. Googling "unicode CATGIRL" has some disturbing links
[11:16] <tugrik> it's always best to google with safesearch off
[11:16] <tugrik> amazing what brings up NSFW images
[11:17] <awilkins> And to hit "I'm feeling lucky" when using search terms like "catgirl"
[11:18] <seeker> Anyone got any good ideas for how to detect adverts in TV programs?
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> louder sound
[11:18] <screen-x> seeker: decrease in dynamic range
[11:18] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: YOU AGAIN! :P
[11:18] <screen-x> :p
[11:18] <awilkins> seeker, The MythTV project has some implementation of that
[11:18] <andylockran> is there an issue with using ! on the linux commandline
[11:19] <seeker> MartijnVdS: Apart from the fact the sound isn't actually louder :P
[11:19] <tugrik> andylockran: yes
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: only if you use it once
[11:19] <seeker> awilkins: Yeah, but it sucks for UK television
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: if you use it >1x in a line, you're fine (unless it's !!, that's special too)
[11:19] <awilkins> seeker, They have a bunch of methods ; logo detection, blank keyframes some multiple of 30s apart, etc.
[11:19] <screen-x> andylockran: yes
[11:19] <MartijnVdS> seeker: it appears louder
[11:19] <tugrik> seeker: depending on the interface you have, couldn't you identify that standard image before and after ad breaks for a particular programme?
[11:20] <awilkins> seeker, I think the TV networks are wise to it and have implemented countermeasures like video testcards for programs, etc.
[11:20] <seeker> MartijnVdS: That'd be the loss in dynamic range :P
[11:20] <awilkins> seeker, Saw a cue dot for the first time in a decade recently
[11:20] <awilkins> seeker, They used to be very common, now they are a rare thing
[11:20] <seeker> awilkins: Yeah
[11:20] <tugrik> MartijnVdS: multiple ! does weird things, so I don't think >2 is safe
[11:21] <AlanBell> bigcalm: there are such plans, check on the etherpad
[11:21] <bigcalm> AlanBell: ?
[11:21] <AlanBell> pub
[11:21] <AlanBell> expo
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> tugrik: I've done gstreamer command lines fine
[11:21] <bigcalm> AlanBell: tab failure?
[11:21] <screen-x> AlanBell: you mean BigRedS
[11:21] <MartijnVdS> tugrik: but to be safe, escape \! :)
[11:23] <seeker> Hmm, I wonder if average frame brightness would be useful
[11:23] <AlanBell> too many big people
[11:23] <seeker> Or colour saturation
[11:23] <awilkins> seeker, Depending on the genre, possibly
[11:23]  * bigcalm struts his stuff
[11:23] <AlanBell> bigcalm: you can come to the pub with BigRedS if you like
[11:23] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:24] <tugrik> why do you ask seeker ?
[11:24] <awilkins> seeker, The audio compression thing will go away - there has been legislation against it recently in at least one domain.
[11:24] <seeker> awilkins: I think that'd work for cartoons
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: actually a good thing, too
[11:24] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, Just not for commercial detection that uses it :-)
[11:24] <seeker> tugrik: Fed up with having tom manually skip ads in mythtv
[11:24] <MartijnVdS> Another option would be a disappearing channel logo
[11:24] <awilkins> Myth does logo detect
[11:25] <seeker> To the point where I'm considering trying to find a better way and implementing it :P
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> seeker: hire someone to write an XML file describing every ad :)
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> seeker: "10:30-10:35"
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> seeker: "10:40-10:45"
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[11:27] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: I think I'd rather clean streets
[11:29] <andylockran> any docs on setting up sftp on ubuntu
[11:29] <screen-x> apt-get install ssh
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: not openssh-server?
[11:30] <screen-x> Package: ssh Depends: openssh-client, openssh-server
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> oh
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> didn't know that :)
[11:31] <andylockran> ah, ok ta
[11:31] <andylockran> argh, lftp as a sftp client
[11:36] <andylockran> it works :p
[11:46] <jpds>  
[11:47] <andylockran> lost for works ?
[11:47] <andylockran> words *
[11:52] <popey> msgme4childporn: thats a really inappropriate nickname you've selected there
[11:52] <msgme4childporn> ummm i should change it?
[11:53] <popey> ummm, yes.
[11:53] <andylockran> tbh I think that needs a kickban
[11:59] <directhex> dynamic ip, won't help
[12:03] <bigcalm> directhex: could just ban btcentralplus.com :)
[12:03] <dfrt67ytgftyu> no please dont do that :(
[12:03] <bigcalm> dfrt67ytgftyu: why would you have such a nick in the 1st place?
[12:03] <andylockran> it's a massively inappropriate nickname...
[12:04] <dfrt67ytgftyu> i dont know i thought theres no rules on irc
[12:04] <bigcalm> Each network has its own subset of rules. You should read the CoC
[12:04] <screen-x> dfrt67ytgftyu: there are rules on freenode
[12:04] <jpds> Hmm, I wonder how the computing law fits around that.
[12:05] <andylockran> dfrt67ytgftyu: there are also certain levels of decency that I'd hope people would stick to with/without rules.
[12:15] <daubers> zyxel routers are a pain in the bum
[12:15] <bigcalm> popey: box came today, I'm so happy
[12:16] <screen-x> daubers: cheap and painful?
[12:16] <daubers> screen-x: I can't even get the poxy things to route properly!
[12:16] <screen-x> always a handy feature in a router
[12:17] <daubers> All the static routes are correct, but still nothing. Firewall is apparently off, still nothing
[12:17] <daubers> stupid blasted cheap rubbish
[12:17] <screen-x> daubers: can you telnet in?
[12:18] <daubers> screen-x: Nope. Even though telnet is supposedly on
[12:18] <screen-x> rubbish :(
[12:21] <daubers> Finally get into that, and it's essentially the web interface. Can't even see the poxy routing tables!
[12:24]  * MartijnVdS read that as "proxy routing tables" and was confused
[12:25] <drt6778> hi, if i want to install packages which are available from more than one package repo in my sources.list, how can I ask apt to prefer one repo over another ?
[12:25] <popey> it will default to newest version
[12:26] <popey> is that not what you want?
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> you can use pinning, but that requires a degree in abstract mathematics to configure
[12:26] <danfish> daubers: install dd-wrt?
[12:26] <popey> hah
[12:27] <bigcalm> I have PHP pinned to 5.2 as some of my clients' projects won't work on 5.3 and there is no budget for upgrading time
[12:27] <bigcalm> That was a PitA to set up
[12:27] <drt6778> the problem i have is that i have to boot off the live cd every time, so im trying to create a local package repo so I can install the software I need quicker
[12:28] <drt6778> i dont necerssarily need the newest versions,
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> You can burn a live CD with packages you need on it
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> or a live-DVD
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> or a live-USB-stick
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> which might work around the problems as well :)
[12:32] <popey> drt6778 looks like you're booted to a live CD/USB stick already
[12:32] <drt6778> i dont like cds, i just need to make apt get stuff from the local repo instead
[12:32] <popey> 12:32:05 [freenode] -!- drt6778 [~ubuntu@host81-129-61-108.range81-129.btcentralplus.com]
[12:32] <popey> 12:32:05 [freenode] -!-  ircname  : Live session user
[12:32] <drt6778> popey: yeah i am,
[12:32] <popey> right
[12:45] <drt6778> lol this isnt actually possible
[13:01] <andylockran> any idea how to enable the flash recovery area in Oracle XE ?
[13:02] <KrisDouglas> I have just been on the phone to HP for about an hour trying to get this P1005 working
[13:02] <KrisDouglas> and i aksed to be put through to the right department and they transferred me to O2's home broadband callcentre!!!!
[13:02] <KrisDouglas> Rediculous.
[13:15] <daubers> danfish: Tempting
[13:34] <DJones> Heh, the evil one returns
[13:38] <QuitePleasantBig> bah.
[13:38] <hamitron> Pleasant? ;/
[13:39] <BigRedS> well, I thought there was a lot of evil happening
[13:39] <hamitron> guess I was lucky enough to miss it
[13:39] <hamitron> :)
[13:43] <BigRedS> haha
[13:48] <awilkins> Hmmm ; shame that drt6778 fellow went, I think he wanted "apt-mirror"
[13:49] <awilkins> or apt-proxy
[13:50] <jpds> Transparent Squid proxy.
[13:51] <awilkins> A bit overkill, you just tell the installer not to update from remote repos while installing and then configure it to use your local repo proxy
[13:51] <hamitron> or unplug the network cable
[14:12] <gord> to anyone that has been to UDS before and knows the wonders if the Ubuntu SSID networks, i can get the Ubuntu network in my room here, makes me very happy -_-
[14:14] <popey> :)
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> there's a UDS now?
[14:15] <awilkins> Ooh. UDS. I dream of being able to attend such marvellous events on the pretext of it being good for my organisation (it would be, but the people in charge just don't know it :-)  )
[14:17] <Pendulum> MartijnVdS: Canonical sprint
[14:18] <gord> the wireless AP is literally across the hall!
[14:19] <gord> huh, just realised that the face of cowsay looks like an owl, can't look at it any other way now
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> Pendulum: ah! :)
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> gord: owlsay.. also, it's themeable
[14:25] <screen-x> it totally does!
[14:30] <Laney> popey: can you add http://bloge.orangesquash.org.uk/tagged/planetubuntu/rss to planet -uk please?
[14:30] <Laney> I forget the proper procedure
[14:30]  * Laney ♥ tumblr
[14:39] <Azelphur> does anyone know what the deal is with the python-twitter library in the repo
[14:40] <Azelphur> it's been bricked for like 3+ months now since twitter switched to oauth
[14:41] <DJones> Azelphur: Doesn't gwibber use that to connect to twitter
[14:41] <Azelphur> not sure
[14:41] <DJones> Azelphur: I know gwibber works fine with twitter at the minute, probably better and more reliable than ever
[14:42] <MartijnVdS> you're using "gwibber" and "reliable" in one sentence
[14:42] <Azelphur> haha
[14:43] <DJones> Heh, since maverick, its been rock sold :)
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> not for me
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> but that might be natty ;)
[14:43] <DJones> Azelphur: Just looked, python-twitter isn't a depend for gwibber, that use python-oauth
[14:45] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:46] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: They've changed all the backend out in Natty which might explain that it's been fairly solid of late though for me at least
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I've uninstalled it and am now using only the websites
[14:46] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: also, I've uninstalled evolution because it's crap and hogs the indicator menu
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> So now my "messages" indicator only contains empathy
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> And there was much win
[14:47] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: harsh dude ;)
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: Evolution is fast on your system? :)
[14:49] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Yeap
[14:49] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: wow
[14:50] <Azelphur> lol no wonder gwibber is constantly broken, twitter is broken :/
[14:50] <awilkins> I might try Evolution now since Thunderbird 3 broke my heart
[14:50] <Azelphur> dropping old auth methods to break any app, the RSS feed is broken (and completely removed in the new twitter interface)
[14:51] <gord> just ordered a nice arm tegra 2 netbook (ac100) very exciting -_-
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: it did? how?
[14:51]  * MartijnVdS likes the gmail-like "archive" options
[14:51] <MartijnVdS> now all I want is "send this + archive thread"
[14:51] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Currently my evo is monitoring 7 email accounts, with multiple thousands of emails in all of them with no issues at all
[14:51] <freckle> davmor2: is that gmail accounts or some/all IMAP/POP?
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: mine has one IMAP account and one Exchange account, but even without the Exchange bit it's slower than my XT used to be back in the 80s
[14:52] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, I just don't like that it downloads all my gmail box and tries to index it and eats loads of CPU time and when you search for things it returns the same email multiple times, etc, etc, etc
[14:52] <freckle> Azelphur: Gwibber is the worst twitter client I have ever seen
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: well, yes. use gmail's web interface to access gmail :)
[14:52] <Azelphur> hehe
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: I want my work mail to be in a Gmail-like interface, but that's not possible :(
[14:53] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, The other thing is that Work basically forced us to pick between i) crappy OWA or ii) Crappy outlook when they previously supported IMAP
[14:53] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I guess the issue is I only had web/outlook to compare with and evo was much faster, I've always had issues with thunderbird,  claws is pretty rapid though
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: Doesn't Evolution's new MAPI stuff work?
[14:53] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, We have OWA. Stuck behind a special anal-restriction gateway.
[14:53] <MartijnVdS> We have IMAP for mail, and OWA/MAPI for calendaring (and secondary mail.. *sigh*)
[14:54] <davmor2> freckle: mixture I have a home server, gmail, canonical, and some others
[14:54] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, There's thing thing called Intelligent Application Gateway in the way ; only the XMLRPC calls work, and only through that - I think you need certain client certificates to get past it that only Outlook has
[14:54] <freckle> davmor2: thanks just interested for reference. I have 4 gmail accounts on my Nexus One and it works well
[14:55] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: eww.. so not even activesync (phones)?
[14:55] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, Oh, no, that works
[14:55] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, But no ActiveSync adapter for a real email client that I'm aware of
[14:56] <davmor2> awilkins: if you don't get on with evo try claws it's come a long way in a short time
[14:56] <awilkins> There is an IMAP server but only on the internal network - so you have to use our excretional VPN if you want to use it from home.
[14:56] <Azelphur> yea, I'm done with twitter :p
[14:56] <Azelphur> so broken as to be unbelievable
[14:56] <Azelphur> god alone knows how so many apps manage to successfully integrate with it
[14:56] <danfish> awilkins: unless your on an android phone, then it works rather well
[14:57] <davmor2> Azelphur: works for me
[14:57] <awilkins> danfish, IMAP works for NHS mail on Android?
[14:57] <awilkins> danfish, Or is that the ActiveSync adapter?
[14:57] <screen-x> Azelphur: what's nuts is that twitter (which I don't care about) use oauth, and I'd be fine using basic auth, whereas my bank (which I do care about) still use form based auth :(
[14:57] <Azelphur> davmor2: how do you do it? the twitter library in the repo is broken because twitter kindly changed their auth method to block any unupdated app
[14:57] <danfish> ah, no, the activesync adapter
[14:57] <Azelphur> davmor2: and the RSS feed doesn't work :(
[14:57] <danfish> I use thunderbird when inside the net
[14:58] <awilkins> danfish, I've got it working on my N900 just fine but that's ActiveSync - and it's one of the closed-source bits AFAIK
[14:58] <Azelphur> screen-x: xD
[14:58] <danfish> awilkins: yeh - I had a look at the mail app source in android and that bit's very GPL unfriendly
[14:58] <davmor2> Azelphur: What version of Ubuntu are you on I'm on Maverick there was an update that fixed it ages ago
[14:58] <screen-x> though oauth isn't the best, as its application keys are rather anti open source.
[14:58] <Azelphur> I'm on maverick too
[14:58] <awilkins> I did look at trying to find some OSS activesync code but had no luck.
[14:59] <Azelphur> davmor2: I always get 401 unauthorized with my python script
[15:00] <davmor2> Azelphur: ah sorry your python script won't work python-twitter doesn't use oauth you need to use a different python plugin for it to work in python
[15:00] <Azelphur> I see
[15:00] <Azelphur> is it in the repo?
[15:00] <danfish> supposedly android and any mobile device without whole disk encryption was supposed to be blocked since 1/12/10...but it's not happened
[15:00] <davmor2> Azelphur: I misunderstood and thought you were using gwibber
[15:00] <screen-x> Azelphur: I've been using http://mike.verdone.ca/twitter/
[15:01] <davmor2> Azelphur: let me have a quick dig for you
[15:01] <Azelphur> ok :)
[15:01] <Azelphur> I just want to pull my twitter feed, don't need to post or anything
[15:02] <screen-x> Azelphur: whereas I do it the other way round, I use that for posts only, to notify me of various things.
[15:02] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:03] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/August%202010/2010-08-18-141358_3840x1200_scrot.png is what I use it for
[15:03] <screen-x> If I don't get any messages, then I can assume that either all systems are fine, or twitter is down, or both :)
[15:03] <MartijnVdS> am I the only one with so many open windows that the background is invisible? :)
[15:03] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: nope
[15:04] <awilkins> Nope
[15:04] <screen-x> but a terminal in the middle of that would look rather cool
[15:04] <davmor2> Azelphur: http://lapin-blanc.net/26/05/2009/twisted-python-twitter-oauth/ that might point you in the right direction
[15:07] <screen-x> I couldn't be a designer, I really don't care if its 1.4 or 1.5em
[15:10] <Azelphur> davmor2: ty
[15:10] <Azelphur> that's interesting, T-Mobile just phoned me up and told me that their changes to the fair usage policy only applies to the iphone
[15:11] <freckle> Azelphur: is that in response to your querying it with them?
[15:12] <Azelphur> freckle: no that's in response to phoning up and cancelling my contract
[15:12] <Azelphur> :P
[15:12] <freckle> hmm shall tweet them and see if they confirm it to me
[15:12] <Azelphur> the slashdot and pcpro articles say otherwise
[15:12] <Azelphur> but the t-mobile representative assured me I'm still on 3GB
[15:13] <Azelphur> she also kept on saying UNLIMITED 3GB which was funny
[15:13] <screen-x> hmmm
[15:14] <kazade> Azelphur, how did you not pick her up on that? :)
[15:14] <Azelphur> I did, I said the two terms where contradictory
[15:14] <Azelphur> she repeated herself a few times
[15:14] <Azelphur> then we finally got to unlimited browsing, 3gb downloads
[15:14] <kazade> lol
[15:14] <Azelphur> (I wonder if that means if I pipe everything through port 80 they won't charge me)
[15:14] <awilkins> So the Jesusfone gets it's wings clipped but everything else still gets to fly as much as before?
[15:15] <freckle> there is no such thing as UNLIMITED  period. It is at the very least limited by the capabilities of the interface
[15:15] <Azelphur> haha
[15:15] <screen-x> Azelphur: I was reading about this, they are trying to separate browsing from downloads, which makes zero sense.
[15:15] <screen-x> So how did that html page appear in my phone, magic?
[15:15] <awilkins> That's what they are counting on, I suspect
[15:15] <freckle> lets see what @TmobileUKhelp have to say
[15:15] <awilkins> They can get away with claiming that magic pixies do it to most of the population
[15:16] <directhex> file extension filtering! they won't bill for .htm or .html
[15:16] <Azelphur> freckle: yea
[15:16] <directhex> or .aspx, but will bill for .php #evil
[15:16] <awilkins> Net Neutrality!!!!!
[15:16] <Azelphur> I should have pressed and said browsing is a download
[15:16] <Azelphur> >.<
[15:17] <freckle> Giff gaff have all you can eat as long as it is not streaming video. So I guess you download it first then watch it
[15:17] <screen-x> freckle: though not many video providers are up for that
[15:18] <freckle> screen-x: true, was trying to highlight the stupidity of the clause
[15:18] <Azelphur> freckle: yea I've been through loads of pages, none of them mention iphone
[15:18] <screen-x> freckle: yeah, it is pretty stupid
[15:18] <Azelphur> so I'd be interested on the response from twitter :P
[15:18] <davmor2> Azelphur: your other alternative would be to setup python-oauth to do the authentication for you then python-twitter to do the api calls for you
[15:18] <Azelphur> davmor2: fun
[15:19] <freckle> I have seen a T-Mobile lawyer in action on a tech conf panel... they don't have a clue about how to handle data usage and it's growth... that goes for most of the UK networks too.
[15:19] <screen-x> I should probably setup an mqtt server or something, probably be easier that twitter/oauth
[15:19] <davmor2> Azelphur: You should be able to add it to your current script and iirc from linux format the oauth code is only like a line or so long
[15:19] <Azelphur> freckle: it's not the only reason I'm leaving them anyway, really slow download speeds (even with a 5 bar HSDPA connection), Charging me for an unlock code for my own phone, that sort of thing :(
[15:20] <Azelphur> davmor2: do you know why the twitter RSS feed doesn't work? that would be easiest to make work
[15:20] <Azelphur> as I already have loads of RSS feed stuff in my conky setup
[15:20] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[15:20] <freckle> Azelphur: you should have bought phone unlocked. Almost always cheaper on a 24 month deak and usually on 18 month too
[15:21] <davmor2> Azelphur: because you're using a client so it need to authenticate as I understand it
[15:21] <Azelphur> freckle: I ebay'd it and as I inteded to use t-mobile at the time (because of their amazing, now gone 3GB cap). My G2 I unlocked myself with hax :D
[15:22] <Azelphur> davmor2: yea, I was trying it in chrome it asked for user and pass which I provided then nothing :(
[15:22] <freckle> As I understand it there is no cap on the T-Mobile FUP it just limits your speeds for the rest of the billing period.
[15:22] <Azelphur> yea
[15:22] <davmor2> Azelphur: works in liferea
[15:22] <Azelphur> freckle: that was the other thing she said, I asked what happens when you hit the 3GB...she said "Nothing"
[15:22] <freckle> the ISP I work does rate limiting if hit your allowance
[15:22] <Azelphur> "We never send any letters we never charge anyone we're the only one that doesn't!"
[15:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: "You will start to feel guilty"
[15:23] <Azelphur> xD
[15:23] <Azelphur> davmor2: I just tried it in firefox, lol
[15:23] <Azelphur> <error code="53">Basic authentication is not supported</error>
[15:23] <Azelphur> >.<
[15:24] <davmor2> Azelphur: There's your answer then python-oauth it is ;)
[15:24] <freckle> I have only used 2GB of data in the last 6 months on T-Mobile.... mostly phone is on WiFi at home or work
[15:24] <Azelphur> lol
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Twitter switched that off.. you can only use oauth
[15:24] <Azelphur> yay for having an RSS feed that doesn't work with 99% of feed readers including firefox, and blocking all your API access
[15:24] <Azelphur> what an annoying service
[15:25] <Azelphur> freckle: I tether :)
[15:25] <freckle> I rarely tether... can't stand 3G speed on my netbook
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> my laptop has a built-in 3G bit
[15:26] <davmor2> Azelphur: for me I just went to twitter.com logged in and clicked on the rss link it opened in liferea as that is my default setup and works fine :(
[15:26] <Azelphur> davmor2: :P
[15:26] <davmor2> Azelphur: are you using an old rss link?
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> so I got a pay-as-you-go Vodafone SIM that has a "€2,50/day" charge for internet (but only on days that you actually use it on)
[15:27] <Azelphur> davmor2: nope, clicking the button in my profile
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: do you have your tweets protected?
[15:27] <davmor2> Azelphur: could just be that you have a busted ass twitter feed?
[15:27] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: no idea what that is :)
[15:27] <Azelphur> davmor2: *shrug*
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you can have public tweets (everyone can read them)
[15:27] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: or private ones (nobody but your followers can read them)
[15:28] <Azelphur> yea I believe mines public
[15:28] <AlanBell> o/
[15:28] <popey> Laney: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ubuntu-uk.org/planet
[15:34] <Azelphur> davmor2: that twitter tool is prefect :D
[15:34] <Azelphur> I just run the "twitter" command to get pretty much what I want on my wallpaper \o/
[15:35] <davmor2> Azelphur: Yay!
[15:39]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski as he forgot too earlier, hope you's is better
[15:41] <bigcalm> That bus went past so fast my office shook. Naughty bus
[15:43] <davmor2> bigcalm: that's what happens when you use a bus shelter for an office though?
[15:43] <bigcalm> ;)
[15:49] <DJones> davmor2: yeah, but does he work from home
[15:49] <davmor2> DJones: are you trying to say that bigcalm lives in a bus shelter?
[15:50] <DJones> davmor2: You saw through the comment :)
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> harsh!
[15:54] <bigcalm> Oi
[15:54] <screen-x> hmm, I have a vmware disk image that is in 2GB chunks :( can I convert that to a kvm raw image with qemu-img ? it doesn't mention chunked images in the man page
[15:58] <Laney> popey: ta
[15:58] <screen-x> there appears to be a version of vmware converter for linux, will try that
[16:09] <danfish> AlanBell: how was your meeting, if I may ask?
[16:24] <Azelphur> freckle: anything from t-mobile yet? :P
[16:25] <freckle> no, they don't seem to be very active on twitter today
[16:25] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:27] <freckle> aha see www.t-mobile.co.uk/datachanges
[16:28] <diplo> I read up on that a little
[16:29] <diplo> It seems they won't charge you for web browsing/emails at all, the tariff is only going to affect file downloading and streaming
[16:29] <freckle> and only new customers
[16:31] <Azelphur> heh, so that's different again to what I was told on the phone :S
[16:32] <freckle> Azelphur: I don't trust anything the droid on the phone says
[16:32] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:32] <freckle> Azelphur: ask them to put it in writing
[16:32] <Azelphur> I've switched anyway, I had a number of reasons
[16:32] <freckle> ok
[16:32] <freckle> who did you switch too?
[16:32] <Azelphur> 3
[16:32] <freckle> k
[16:33]  * bigcalm notices the change is only for new customers - time to change 3g watchdog back again
[16:33] <freckle> bigcalm: or till your contract period ends
[16:33] <bigcalm> Aye
[16:34] <bigcalm> Contract was renewed in December for another 18 months
[16:34] <freckle> so now sitting on a tariff for years to hold the network to ransom
[16:34] <freckle> /s/now/no
[16:34] <bigcalm> I'm happy with the tarrif I have. Though I don't go anywhere near the 1gb monthly allowance
[16:34] <Azelphur> at best the 500mb thing is a complete PR disaster and a shambles, then you've got the crappy download speeds (5 bars hsdpa gets me 198/156kbps where as my brother on 3 gets more like 10 times that, they also tried to charge me £15 to unlock my old phone so I could give it to my brother :/
[16:35] <Azelphur> and the coverage is crap too, when I go to my cousins in hive I get no signal
[16:35] <freckle> they are obviously targetting the heavy video users.
[16:35] <Azelphur> \o/
[16:35] <freckle> I read somewhere it will impact ~ 3% of users
[16:36] <bigcalm> freckle: I use wifi where ever I can as the network speed isn't great
[16:36] <Azelphur> that's what they always say :)
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> hmm 7.2 mbit
[16:36] <freckle> bigcalm: me too as most of the time in work or at home
[16:36] <bigcalm> One in the same for me :S
[16:37] <freckle> Azelphur: that's how people always respond :)
[16:37] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:37] <Azelphur> freckle: they must be loosing people over this though, they've tried really hard to keep me
[16:37] <Azelphur> and they keep spouting different stories at me
[16:37] <freckle> bigcalm: in that case I get much faster speeds to you when at work :)
[16:38] <bigcalm> Heh
[16:38] <bigcalm> What's your connection at work?
[16:38] <freckle> Azelphur: 3 is the only one offering no usage limit... they are desperate for customers
[16:38] <Azelphur> I'm on 3's 1GB plan, I'm should be ok in 1GB
[16:38] <freckle> bigcalm: we are an ISP . I think we have 2Gbps out of this office
[16:38]  * popey hugs 10GB/mo
[16:38] <Azelphur> I like the way they made the decision to not do the fair usage policy crap
[16:39] <Azelphur> it's obvious, clearly stated, and that's fine with me
[16:39] <bigcalm> freckle: you bar steward
[16:39] <popey> only thing i want to get now is sharing 3g over wifi on my iphone and I'm settled
[16:39] <dwatkins> popey: I started off with that, then had to switch to unlimited bandwidth because we use 50 GB/mo
[16:39] <Azelphur> popey: I have that built into the OS ;)
[16:39]  * Azelphur runs
[16:39] <popey> i know
[16:39] <bigcalm> freckle: an ISP in Shropshire?
[16:39] <freckle> yeah
[16:39] <popey> t-mobile have gone back on their changes
[16:39] <dwatkins> oh wait, you get that with you phone, popey? wow
[16:39] <popey> yes
[16:39] <Azelphur> popey: oh, so they made the changes and then when customers left in waves they stopped?
[16:39] <freckle> www.enta.net
[16:40] <Azelphur> I've been given so many different stories about it so far
[16:40] <popey> "There will be no change to the data packages for existing customers  for the duration of their contract and we apologise for any confusion caused. The revision to the Fair Use Policy is designed to ensure an improved quality of service for all mobile internet users.""
[16:40] <dwatkins> which mobile provider, popey? and have you considered jailbreaking to do tethering?
[16:40] <popey> http://support.t-mobile.co.uk/help-and-support/index?page=home&cat=DATA_CHANGES
[16:40] <popey> dwatkins: orange
[16:40] <popey> dwatkins: i have considered it
[16:40] <Azelphur> yea, I saw that too :)
[16:40] <dwatkins> impressive, I will look into this, as I have an iPhone
[16:40] <Azelphur> popey: yet a mere 20 minutes ago I had a t-mobile rep call me to try and keep me as a customer, she stated that it was only affecting iphone users
[16:41] <freckle> Azelphur: she is obviously on commission..
[16:41] <shauno> I don't believe tethering requires jailbreaking.  you can upload a slightly revised carrier settings file to the stock firmware
[16:41] <popey> shauno: not tethering, wifi sharing
[16:41] <Azelphur> then she said you still have your 3GB allowance, and to check the t-mobile website terms and conditions, which say I have 1GB :S
[16:41] <dwatkins> what is the difference between tethering and wifi sharing, I thought they were the same thing
[16:42] <Azelphur> so yea, very confusing and shambles-ish from t-mobile
[16:42] <shauno> rumours today that's due in the next point release.  but as always, we won't know until they do a song and a dance on stage :/
[16:42] <popey> dwatkins: tether is via a cable
[16:42] <dwatkins> ahhhh, thanks popey
[16:43] <freckle> dwatkins: tethering usually means a cable... but it's a mute point as far as the networks go
[16:43] <popey> shauno: its in the verizon firmware, so i guess unless they keep separate firmwares for cdma and umts phones, it may be
[16:43] <dwatkins> yeah, you're still using the network for data from a separate device
[16:43] <popey> s/mute/moot/
[16:44] <ball> Over here I hear a lot of people use "tether" to mean connecting a device (e.g. laptop) through a mobile phone, whether or not that connection is wired.
[16:44] <dwatkins> When I still had my Android phone, it was really handy when we were sat waiting for a table at a restaurant or something to be able to turn it on and we'd both get our laptops out and carry on as if we were at home
[16:44] <popey> ball: they're wrong :)
[16:44] <shauno> tether can be a wire or bluetooth.  it usually just means using your phone as a modem
[16:44] <ball> popey: Also, they spell funny.
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it can even be wifi :)
[16:44] <popey> indeed!
[16:45] <shauno> the wifi bit is a bit odd because you can have multiple clients, which isn't usually what people mean by tether
[16:45] <ball> My phone works as a CSD modem, but I can't afford a laptop anyway.
[16:46] <shauno> I can use mine via bt, but I don't, because my little usb modem has a much better data plan
[16:46] <AlanBell> danfish: very encouraging
[16:46] <dwatkins> I have a vodafone USB modem, but it's pay-as-you-go
[16:46] <dwatkins> I'm tempted to get a mifi device, shauno - 5 GB a month might be enough
[16:46] <shauno> (which irks me no end.  20Gb on a usb stick is 20eur, 2Gb on a phone is 60eur, yet they're both 3G thru the same telco)
[16:47] <ball> I tried a "Cricket" modem, but it didn't work with my OS.
[16:47] <freckle> either way the networks don't like it as it limits their ability to extract cash from you
[16:47] <ball> ...I wonder if it would have worked with Ubuntu.
[16:47] <dwatkins> that sounds cheap compared to what I get with vodafone in the uk, shauno
[16:47] <ball> brb
[16:48] <dwatkins> Three do the device for a contract of 16 pounds a month with lets you use 5 GB of data
[16:48] <dwatkins> it's 1 pound per gigabyte if you go up to 15
[16:48] <danfish> AlanBell: excellent - lets hope actions follow
[16:48] <dwatkins> no, I lie, 23.03 GBP
[16:48] <dwatkins> silly three
[16:48] <czajkowski> Aloha
[16:49] <AlanBell> danfish: things are moving at the highest level
[16:49] <AlanBell> czajkowski: how was your day?
[16:49] <czajkowski> grand
[16:49] <czajkowski> BETT is however MASSIVE very busy and VERY HOT!
[16:49] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ayup me suck
[16:50] <czajkowski> MooDoo: lovely
[16:50] <ball> Mobile broadband here is usually US$ 60/month (UKP 38.20)
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> For the highest speeds that's true here as well (€50ish)
[16:51] <MooDoo> czajkowski: sorry typo meant to be me duck :)
[16:51] <czajkowski> :S
[16:51] <popey> shauno: oooooo http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/personal_wifi_hotspots_reportedly_coming_to_all_ip.php
[16:51] <MooDoo> czajkowski: nottingham slang
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> But if you don't care about 7.2mbit, you can get €10 plans
[16:51] <czajkowski> odd ball
[16:51] <shauno> I think my dongle pricing is pretty fantastic.  I just can't get my head around paying the same isp 1eur/GB thru the dongle and 30eur/GB thru the phone.
[16:51] <MartijnVdS> ball: or even pay-as-you-go "plans"
[16:51] <MooDoo> czajkowski: thanks :)
[16:51] <ball> That's 38 quid for up to 5 Gbytes
[16:52] <ball> MartijnVdS: pay-as-you-go is about the same price, unless you get the 350 Mbyte plan
[16:53] <AlanBell> and the typo of the week award goes to ...
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> hah! 10/10 http://test-ipv6.com/
[16:55] <bigcalm> 7/10 on ipv4 :S
[16:56]  * ball tries it
[16:56] <ball> "We don't quite understand these results."
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> wow
[16:56] <ball> 0/10
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> ball: running noscript, or some proxy/blocking stuff?
[16:57] <ball> ...clicked reload and got 7/10
[16:57] <shauno> unhandled exception: your internet is so broken you can't read this error :p
[16:57]  * ball shrugs
[16:57] <screen-x> apologies if this has been mentioned, but the vzw iphone has "wifi sharing" so shouldn't take long to make it into an update.
[16:57] <ball> 7/10 for IPv4
[16:57] <ball> 0/10 for IPv6
[16:57]  * MartijnVdS has 10/10 + 10/10 :)
[16:57] <shauno> xs4all?
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> shauno: yes
[16:57] <shauno> git
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> shauno: meh, I just work there :P
[16:58] <bigcalm> VirginMedia have no intention of going with ipv6 that I can see
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: most big ISPs don't
[16:58] <ball> bigcalm: Perhaps they own a sufficient pool of IPv4
[16:58] <ball> ...addresses.
[16:58] <shauno> that appears to be UPC's plan too.  wait until it's actually causing problems.
[16:58] <MartijnVdS> ball: that's all very nice.. until content providers run out of v4 space and start hosting new sites on v6-only
[16:59] <ball> They'll burn that bridge when they come to it ;-)
[17:01] <shauno> I think the overall plan is to ignore it until consumers notice they're being NAT'd.  and then panic.
[17:03] <freckle> shauno: most home users don't care if they are double nat'd
[17:03]  * screen-x is not most users
[17:03] <screen-x> freckle: do you have some kind of web interface for customers to setup portforwards?
[17:04] <screen-x> I guess there would be fights over port 80..
[17:04] <freckle> screen-x: huh?
[17:04] <freckle> oh right... we have not implemented any translation yet
[17:04] <screen-x> freckle: well, if customers are double-natted, they need some way of making connections to there home boxes, so do you have a web interface where they can setup portforwards?
[17:05] <bigcalm> That's only for incoming connections
[17:05] <shauno> that's the problem.  enough people don't need to connect home, that they can safely ignore 'us'
[17:05] <screen-x> shauno:  :(
[17:05] <freckle> I have no idea how our NOC team are going to do it...but it will probably start off with dual stack
[17:05] <screen-x> shauno: tunnel to a VPS then :(
[17:06] <freckle> I know the CPE vendors are scratching their heads on how to stop unwanted access on pure IPv6 home users...
[17:06] <screen-x> freckle: ?
[17:07] <screen-x> unwanted access?
[17:07] <bigcalm> Somewhat surprised that my router doesn't do ipv6 and it's a modern router
[17:07] <freckle> so a home user gets only a IPv6 subnet assigned an no IPv4. Who is responsible to firewall/
[17:07] <freckle> every single connected device has a routable address
[17:07] <screen-x> freckle: the CPE should have a default firewall that only allows outgoing connections, easy. Same as NAT
[17:08] <screen-x> then users can add allow rules if they want to.
[17:08] <freckle> screen-x: Netgear don't think it is easy... saw a video with their CTO on the panel
[17:08] <freckle> screen-x: you have a very inflated opinion of the average user...
[17:09] <screen-x> freckle: the average user won't add rules, and won't know the firewall is even there.
[17:09] <freckle> the average user doesn't care about IP4 or IP6 they just want to plug it in and it works
[17:09] <freckle> screen-x: exactly
[17:09] <ball> The average user, sadly, struggles to get the cable in the right hole.
[17:09] <ball> (at least, the ones I meet do)
[17:09] <screen-x> so security wise ipv6 is no more difficult than ipv4 with nat.
[17:10] <ball> Spoke to a lady the other day on the phone who couldn't find the screen on her laptop.
[17:10] <screen-x> haha
[17:10] <ball> User: "Why does it say 'Owner: Locked'?"
[17:10] <freckle> so how do you bring the benefits of IPv6 to a non-technical and apathetic user base?
[17:11] <ball> Me: "Have you tried clicking on the icon in the middle of the screen?"
[17:11] <ball> User: "What's an icon?"
[17:11] <freckle> screen-x: until they want to access their fridge remotely
[17:11] <ball> Me: "Little square picture"
[17:11] <ball> User: "I can't find the screen though"
[17:11] <shauno> upnp & default drop.  they'll be no worse off than they are now
[17:11] <ball> Me: "It's the flat thing you're looking at... the place where it said "Owner: locked"
[17:12] <ball> User: "Is that by the A.L.T. key?"
[17:12] <screen-x> shauno: yeah, I was thinking some sort of upnp style thing.
[17:12] <ball> Me: "Perhaps you should return the equipment"
[17:12] <screen-x> ball: I'd be convinced someone was having a laugh, I wouldn't be able to take the call seriously.
[17:12] <ball> This is an honest transcript.
[17:12] <DJones> ball: The nearest I've heard ti that was telling somebody to look on their desktop for an icon & they replied that all that was on the desk was a keyboard, monitor & mouse
[17:12] <shauno> screen-x: it tends to get a bad rap, but it seems to work for me fine
[17:13] <ball> screen-x: Seriously, poor woman was getting genuinely angry>
[17:13] <screen-x> shauno: its blinking scary, the gnome vnc server will auto open ports if upnp is available!
[17:13] <ball> screen-x: eww
[17:13] <screen-x> shauno: so I turn it off, but I can see something like that being useful for fridge access
[17:15] <shauno> my favourite call lately was a customer who called in with a large peice of equipment  (a large box that draws 1.6 megawatts off the line).  he went all thru the name / contact / serial number capture while neglecting to mention that he was calling because it was on fire
[17:16] <BigRedS> haha!
[17:16] <dogmatic69> lmao
[17:16] <shauno> genuinely threw me that he didn't think that was important enough to mention a little earlier
[17:16] <DJones> shauno: You work for the fire brigade?
[17:17] <shauno> nope
[17:17] <DJones> You'd think 999 would be the number to ring
[17:17] <BigRedS> that is a reasonable point, what sort of an emergency response do you provide?
[17:17] <shauno> it's a really big UPS. dropping the power can be very, very useful in such situations
[17:17] <BigRedS> "I'll get a fire extinguisher couriered over to you immediately"
[17:18] <dogmatic69> next day express
[17:18] <shauno> if they weren't clever enough to hook up an EPO, turning the things off is overly complex.
[17:18] <ball> shauno: Was the load still up? ;-)
[17:18] <shauno> of course :)
[17:18] <ball> shauno: win! :-)
[17:18] <screen-x> epo?
[17:19] <shauno> a big red button
[17:20] <screen-x> emergency power off?
[17:20] <shauno> that's the one
[17:20] <screen-x> ahh
[17:20] <screen-x> so how did this situation end?
[17:20] <shauno> got the power dropped
[17:21] <shauno> it's an oddly normal thing to get called about.  I've had "we need to turn this off before they use an axe to do so" a few times
[17:22] <screen-x> so did they put the fire out, and reconnect power before the batteries ran out? or did they have to shut the load down?
[17:25] <shauno> the load would have gone down with the ups.  it's not too graceful when there's firemen waiting
[17:26] <MartijnVdS> \o dutchie @ twitter :)
[17:26] <ball> shauno: Did you have him hit the EPO?
[17:26] <dutchie> heh
[17:26]  * dutchie blames issyl0 
[17:26] <shauno> ball, there wasn't one fitted.  that's why they had to call
[17:26] <ball> shauno: Oopsie.
[17:27]  * dutchie ubuntufies new lappy
[17:27] <issyl0> dutchie: ...?
[17:27] <ball> shauno: Does the UPS get to notify the load at least that it's pulling the rug out?
[17:27] <popey> dutchie: what you get?
[17:27] <shauno> so you get them to pull out the terminal block where the epo is meant to connect to.  it's a normally-closed loop, so you do the same thing
[17:27] <dutchie> issyl0: for making me follow MartijnVdS
[17:27] <dutchie> popey: thinkpad t61, exactly the same as the beertop it is replacing :)
[17:27] <issyl0> dutchie: ohhhh.
[17:27] <issyl0> dutchie: surely that's not a bad thing?
[17:28] <dutchie> issyl0: course not
[17:28] <screen-x> issyl0: blame is not always negative; see git
[17:28] <dutchie> and svn before it
[17:28] <shauno> ball: if it's tripped that way, no.  if you shut it down thru software, yes.  depends how long you've got to wait
[17:28] <issyl0> Heh.
[17:28]  * dutchie needs to remember to pick up pins 
[17:28] <ball> shauno: I suppose fire is an incentive to expedite the shutdown.
[17:29] <screen-x> shauno: so do you work for a ups vendor?
[17:29] <shauno> I don't make that call.  lawyers terrify me :)
[17:29] <shauno> screen-x: sorta
[17:30] <shauno> my employer owns a couple of big brands
[17:31] <ball> My employer brews his own beer.
[17:31] <bigcalm> Anybody here put dd-wrt onto a linksys wrt320n ?
[17:38] <KrisDouglas> Hello, does anyone know of the command you issue which sends out dns and hostname information over the network
[17:38] <KrisDouglas> I am no expert, but I ran the command, and the hostnames I had entered into my /etc/hosts worked on other machines on the net.
[17:38] <popey> "sends out" ?
[17:38] <KrisDouglas> yeah
[17:39] <KrisDouglas> It's hard to explain
[17:39] <directhex> KrisDouglas, on your local network?
[17:39] <dwatkins> 'deploy'?
[17:39] <KrisDouglas> it seems to talk to the DHCP on the router
[17:39] <KrisDouglas> yeah, local network
[17:39] <directhex> KrisDouglas, okay. you can use mdns to announce your machine's hostname to other mdns-aware kit. or run your own dns server
[17:39] <directhex> or use samba to do the equivalent to mdns using microsoft's wins protocol
[17:40] <KrisDouglas> oooh, thank you
[17:40] <KrisDouglas> that has jogged my memory
[17:40] <KrisDouglas> :)
[17:40] <KrisDouglas> lets see if this works
[17:52] <KrisDouglas> Thanks directhex it's all working pefectly now. I remembered I had to install avahi
[17:52] <KrisDouglas> I need a personal wiki :P:
[17:52] <directhex> yeah, avahi is an mdns server
[17:52] <directhex> KrisDouglas, tomboy, zim, gnote
[17:53] <KrisDouglas> directhex: I use tomboy :)
[17:54] <directhex> KrisDouglas, so take notes in it! it has a search function...
[17:54] <KrisDouglas> directhex: I just like the whole wiki-of-my-brain idea.
[17:54] <KrisDouglas> :)
[17:57] <mfraz74> G.a
[17:57] <mfraz74> Glad I got my HP server when I did as everywhere seems to be out of stock now
[17:59] <andylockran> ps axu shows a program I'm running as STAT = S
[17:59] <andylockran> what does that mean?
[18:00]  * bigcalm_ sits still
[18:00] <andylockran> how to poke it to move again?
[18:00] <jpds> man ps, says a lot about STAT.
[18:01] <andylockran> Proces State Codes
[18:01] <andylockran> implies it's waiting for an event to complete
[18:01] <andylockran> any idea how to find out what the event is
[18:02] <andylockran> no logs written since 17:39
[18:04] <Azelphur> if a computer doesn't display anything, no bios beeps, and I've tried it on 2 different monitors. It's time to replace the graphics card right?
[18:04] <AlanBell> KrisDouglas: I use a blog and google, so I search for things, find a useful answer, then realise it was me that wrote it
[18:09] <ball> Azelphur: Probably not.
[18:09] <jacobw> Is a BIOS beep a function of the graphics card?
[18:09] <KrisDouglas> AlanBell: Awesome.
[18:09] <KrisDouglas> jacobw: if there is something wrong with the card then it can beep.
[18:09] <Azelphur> what should I do then?
[18:09] <popey> jacobw: no, the mobo/bios
[18:10] <jacobw> Yeah :)
[18:10] <ball> Azelphur: Does it beep if you boot without the graphics card?
[18:10] <ball> (or with a different card fitted?
[18:10] <ball> )
[18:11] <popey> they usually beep if no VGA card is present
[18:11] <KrisDouglas> It could the the bios chip is off
[18:11] <KrisDouglas> usually if the ram is off the system beeps
[18:11] <KrisDouglas> brb
[18:11] <KrisDouglas> exit
[18:11] <directhex> beeeeep bibibip
[18:12] <Azelphur> ball it's integrated
[18:12] <ball> Azelphur: Time for a new mainboard (and perhaps microprocessor) then.
[18:13] <ball> Azelphur: Have you tried with a different PSU though?
[18:13] <KrisDouglas> exit
[18:14] <Azelphur> lol or not, a 250W PSU is...not going to power my 8800GT
[18:14] <Azelphur> ball: it powers on, fans and everything
[18:14] <Azelphur> just no display
[18:14] <ball> Azelphur: Have you tried with a different PSU?
[18:15] <Azelphur> ball no
[18:16] <ball> Azelphur: Might be worth a shot if you can borrow one, just to rule that out.
[18:17] <Azelphur> but if the PSU was dead wouldn't it be not powering the mobo
[18:19] <ball> Azelphur: depends.  You could be getting some of the output Voltages without others, causing odd results.
[18:19] <ball> Personally I think your motherboard's shot.
[18:20] <Azelphur> yea, I'm starting to think this is a bit of a throwout machine
[18:20] <Azelphur> the psu is crap (250w) the mobo is probably dead, the CPU is some shitty celeron
[18:20] <Azelphur> it's not really worth saving
[18:26]  * danfish starts cooking a rabbit vindaloo
[18:49] <awilkins> So the T-mobile bandwidth thing only applies to new accounts and upgraders .... Riiiight, nothing to do with UK contact law allowing you to get out of your contract free if the terms change - free smartphone ... Oops.
[18:50] <awilkins> I wonder how many people called up to cancel.
[18:51] <screen-x> evening :)
[18:52] <awilkins> Evening. Abusing my Vodafone 3G connection by using it.
[18:54] <screen-x> awilkins: sticking it to the man, eh?
[18:54] <awilkins> Sometimes I tether.
[18:55] <danfish> unless you are a large corporation with lawyers on tap, UK corporate law is a waste of oxygen
[18:56] <screen-x> and trees
[18:56] <ali1234> awilkins: have you seen the way t-mobile sells bandwidth?
[18:56] <ali1234> they sell it as a 1 month booster
[18:56] <ali1234> you can choose a different 1 each month
[18:56] <ali1234> it's an add on to your contract
[18:56] <ali1234> so if they change all the boosters 1 month, it doesn't affect the contract at all
[18:57] <awilkins> ooooh. Naughty.
[18:57] <ali1234> so they can effectively change it any time they want
[18:57] <kvarley> I have a gigabyte motherboard, what application can I use in ubuntu to control the fan speed of the fans in my case?
[18:57] <ali1234> i mean it's good because if i'm going abroad for 1 month i can change the booster to a roaming calls package instead of internet
[18:57] <ali1234> but it's bad cos they can change all the boosters any time they want
[18:58] <MooDoo> kvarley: this might help?  might not - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=846480
[18:58] <ali1234> i'm not bothered at this point anyway - cos i only pay £10 a month - it's still the best value
[18:59] <screen-x> I pay that on O2, for my 500mb.
[18:59] <ali1234> yeah but O2 sucks
[18:59] <awilkins> £15 here, but only becuse I asked for a PAC code.
[18:59] <ali1234> also, what free phone did you get for your £10/month?
[18:59] <screen-x> ali1234: sim only
[19:00] <awilkins> upgrading? Ask for a PAC code.
[19:00] <ali1234> i got a 5800 and 1 year of "comes with music"
[19:00] <screen-x> I think sim only is better :p
[19:00] <awilkins> Someone calls you back in 2 days and offers you a sweetheart deal.
[19:00] <ali1234> on t-mobile you don't have to go through hoops like that. i always just ask them for the deal and they give it to me
[19:01] <ali1234> heh :)
[19:01] <awilkins> Only ever upgraded phone once.
[19:01] <ali1234> but this time around it was cheapest to go with the free phone and new contract, and i doubt you can get cheaper and still have internet included...
[19:01] <awilkins> Only HAD  a mobile for 6 years and I'm 36.
[19:02] <mfraz74> awilkins: Port Authorisation Code Code?
[19:02] <awilkins> oh dang, an agent of the department of redundancy department
[19:03] <Darael> awilkins: That's the Redundant Department of Redundancy Department to you! :P
[19:04] <awilkins> Didn't have a redundant connection though.
[19:04] <awilkins> Shoping time!
[19:04] <awilkins> /me wants pizza
[19:09] <suprengr> o?
[19:09] <suprengr> o/
[19:10] <Darael> "o?"?  Scratching your head with a disembodied arm?  Am I thinking about this too much?
[19:11] <suprengr> Darael:  a good description in view of...
[19:11] <suprengr> for what it's worth: Three have just up'd my £15/month 'account for VAT increase to £15.99 [anyone else care to do their maths for them?]
[19:11] <suprengr> [mobile g£ dongle]
[19:12] <suprengr> g£ is my li'l ol' petname for for 3g
[19:13]  * suprengr thinks - time to clean keyboard again!
[19:14] <Darael> ...what's the increase again?
[19:14] <suprengr> Darael: 99p on £15
[19:15] <Darael> Yeah, I gathered, my brain wasn't working.
[19:18] <suprengr> simple maths for 2.5% VAT increase... for £100 before increase; £102.10 after increase [the £100 already includes VAT in case of confusiion]
[19:19]  * Darael are to sleepy to do maths.  This is saying something.
[19:20] <suprengr> ...so Three think my £15 contract is actually a £45 [approx] contract?!  ;(
[19:22]  * suprengr considers sending Three a copy of song "If I Only Had a Brain" :)
[19:27] <bigcalm> Odd thing: content menus appear just fine, but the submenus take a while to respond and appear
[19:27] <bigcalm> Thought it was limited to chrome, but it's happening in xchat as well
[19:29] <screen-x> bigcalm: context menus?
[19:30] <bigcalm> screen-x: right click on something and you usually get a context menu
[19:30] <screen-x> as opposed to content menus..
[19:30] <bigcalm> Unless you are using a mac and have no right mouse button
[19:30] <bigcalm> Another name for the same thing :)
[19:31] <screen-x> bigcalm: most macs support multiple mouse buttons now..
[19:31] <bigcalm> Context as they relate to the thing you are hovering over
[19:31] <screen-x> context submenus are a little slow in xchat for me.
[19:31] <bigcalm> screen-x: I've seen mac users try to come to terms with a pc mouse; clicking both buttons at the same time
[19:32] <screen-x> hmm
[19:32] <bigcalm> That was a few years ago
[19:32] <bigcalm> I'm sure things have moved on by now
[19:33] <screen-x> As the new macs dont really have physical mouse buttons, you have to tell it in software to interpret clicks in a certain area as a secondary click.
[19:33] <awilkins> Ah yes, the button is in fact, a touchpad
[20:46] <screen-x> ._.
[20:47] <DJones> ok, who spoke
[20:48] <bigcalm> You did
[20:49] <czajkowski> ▙▗▌▞▀▖▞▀▖
[20:49] <czajkowski> ▌▘▌▌ ▌▌ ▌
[20:49] <czajkowski> ▌ ▌▌ ▌▌ ▌
[20:49] <czajkowski> ▘ ▘▝▀ ▝▀
[20:49] <DJones> Oi!
[20:49] <screen-x> evening cz :)
[20:50] <czajkowski> DJones: oi oi
[20:50]  * bigcalm fishes out an after 8 mint
[20:50] <DJones> Evening czajkowski
[20:51] <czajkowski> how's folks ?
[20:51] <screen-x> ok thanks czajkowski, how are you?
[20:51] <screen-x> you were ill recently?
[20:52] <daubers> Woot!
[20:52] <daubers> Finally beaten OpenVPN into submission
[20:53] <screen-x> daubers: whatya done to it?
[20:53] <czajkowski> screen-x: grand bit tired from today, so just catching up on mail and an early night me thinks
[20:54] <daubers> screen-x: After mucking around with a load of rubbishy zyxel routers, I ended up bringing the test server home, so can access the work network from home and the home network from work :)
[20:54] <daubers> just need to reconfigure the IPs and the routes and it can go into the DC happily now
[20:54] <screen-x> :)
[20:55]  * daubers makes some notes
[21:02] <dogmatic69> hi all
[21:02] <dogmatic69> got me an arduino board today \o/
[21:02] <screen-x> evening dogmatic69.. sounds fun :)
[21:02] <dogmatic69> cant use it because apt-get has the old version :/
[21:02] <screen-x> ppa?
[21:03] <dogmatic69> and ppa aint working
[21:03] <screen-x> :(
[21:03] <dogmatic69> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:arduino-ubuntu-team/ppa
[21:03] <dogmatic69> look good?
[21:03] <screen-x> if that ppa exists..
[21:03] <dogmatic69> tut said sudo add-apt-repository ppa:arduino-ubuntu-team but ubuntu says with /ppa at the end
[21:03] <dogmatic69> done both
[21:04] <dogmatic69> https://launchpad.net/~arduino-ubuntu-team/+archive/ppa
[21:04] <screen-x> ppa:arduino-ubuntu-team/ppa is correct
[21:04] <screen-x> do you get an error when adding it?
[21:04] <dogmatic69> anyhow ppa looks like 0018 which is what i got
[21:04] <dogmatic69> can i show the hashes and stuff or is that not good?
[21:05] <screen-x> ?
[21:05] <dogmatic69> Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring --secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv {hash}
[21:05] <dogmatic69> idk if the stuff is security related :D, dont wanna paste some things that will get me hacked
[21:06] <dogmatic69> gpg: requesting key 97A63961 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[21:06] <dogmatic69> gpg: key 97A63961: "Launchpad PPA" not changed
[21:06] <dogmatic69> then total 1, unchanged 1
[21:07] <dogmatic69> sudo apt-get update [21:08] <dogmatic69> looks like its an old version anyhow
[21:08] <dogmatic69> so now ive downloaded http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Software
[21:08] <dogmatic69> the 0022 32 bit version
[21:09] <dogmatic69> got no clue what to do with it, im thinking install 0018 and replace the files with the download
[21:09] <screen-x> dogmatic69: looks like they dont have mavereick packages
[21:09] <dogmatic69> ah
[21:09] <screen-x> could try the lucid packages
[21:09] <dogmatic69> how do i do that?
[21:10] <screen-x> edit the file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d that add-apt-repository created, and change it from maverick to lucid
[21:10] <screen-x> then apt-get update.
[21:10] <Azelphur> anyone know how to get grep to only print out the captured part of a regex? (the part inside the bracets)
[21:10] <screen-x> grep -o
[21:11] <Azelphur> screen-x: closer, that's captured the whole expression rather than just the stuff in bracets though
[21:11] <Azelphur> I want the first regex group returned, rather than the entire area matched
[21:11] <daubers> dogmatic69: You can just download it off the arduino website
[21:11] <daubers> it's a self contained thing
[21:12] <screen-x> Azelphur: adjust your regex so it only matches the stuff in the backets?
[21:12] <dogmatic69> daubers: i got that now, but where to put it and how to run it?
[21:12] <daubers> dogmatic69: I keep the one from the website in a folder called Apps in my home folder, so just cd /home/matt/Apps/arduino-xx and then ./arduino
[21:12] <dogmatic69> ah, let me try
[21:13] <Azelphur> screen-x: that's called "knowing the output of the program before I run it" which would defeat the objective :P
[21:13] <daubers> dogmatic69: You may need to install java if it's not already installed
[21:13] <dogmatic69> got java, minecraft++
[21:13] <dogmatic69> :D
[21:13] <daubers> :)
[21:13] <screen-x> Azelphur: paste an example string, and describe what you want to match
[21:13] <Azelphur> CPU Temperature:    +46.0°C  (high = +60.0°C, crit = +75.0°C)
[21:13] <dogmatic69> i can see minecraft and arduino taking about 26h of my day
[21:13] <Azelphur> I only want the 46.0
[21:14] <dogmatic69> if only work would stop bothering me
[21:14] <Azelphur> ^CPU Temperature:    \+(\d+\.\d+) matches it
[21:14] <Azelphur> but I need grep to return the group rather than the matched line or full string
[21:21] <screen-x> Azelphur: resorted to sed sed 's/^.*:\s*\(+[0-9\.]*.\?C\).*$/\1/'
[21:21] <AlanBell> czajkowski: going up early tomorrow?
[21:21] <Azelphur> screen-x: huh?
[21:22] <czajkowski> AlanBell: not sure need to look up times
[21:22] <screen-x> oops, didnt mean to repeat sed.
[21:22] <czajkowski> was there a long day today
[21:22] <AlanBell> it is an exhausting event
[21:23] <czajkowski> it was boiling hot in there today
[21:23] <AlanBell> yeah, always is
[21:23] <AlanBell> anyone else in the Earls Court Olympia area tomorrow?
[21:23] <screen-x> Azelphur: that sed expression will extract just the +46.0degC from the line.
[21:24] <Azelphur> screen-x: how do I use it? I tried sensors | sed ... and got nothing
[21:24] <czajkowski> AlanBell: queues for lunch today were a lot crazy
[21:25] <Craig_Dem> Really need to upgrade from the homehub v1 :/
[21:25] <Azelphur> screen-x: actually correction, it truncated some random stuff
[21:25] <Azelphur> but nothing like what I want :s
[21:25] <screen-x> Azelphur: this was my test : hugh@hugh-desktop:~$ echo "CPU Temperature: +46.0°C (high = +60.0°C, crit = +75.0°C)" | sed 's/^.*:\s*\(+[0-9\.]*.\?C\).*$/\1/'
[21:25] <screen-x> which returns "+46.0°C"
[21:26] <AlanBell> czajkowski: yeah, hardly ate all week last year
[21:26] <Azelphur> screen-x: http://pastebin.com/bNmcNjwQ
[21:27] <screen-x> Azelphur: ah, you are matching the whole output, I was just working on one line..
[21:27] <Azelphur> lol
[21:27] <Azelphur> sensors | grep "CPU Temperature" | sed 's/^.*:\s*\(+[0-9\.]*.\?C\).*$/\1/'
[21:27] <Azelphur> \o/
[21:28] <screen-x> | sed '/CPU Temp/s/^.*:\s*\(+[0-9\.]*.\?C\).*$/\1/'
[21:28] <screen-x> should do it
[21:28] <Azelphur> nope
[21:28] <screen-x> :(
[21:28] <Azelphur> screen-x: it sort of does it, it truncates the correct line
[21:28] <Azelphur> but it leaves all the other output alone
[21:29] <screen-x> ah yes, would need a command to delete the other lines, grep is probably best.
[21:29] <Azelphur> :)
[21:36] <Azelphur> screen-x: slight mod on the sed, can you remove the + and degrees c too
[21:36] <Azelphur> I just want the number :P
[21:36] <screen-x> Azelphur: put them outside the capture group
[21:38] <Azelphur> ah I see, got it :)
[21:51] <Azelphur> hmm, vnstat is being weird
[21:52] <Azelphur> it says not enough data available yet but it's been running for like 24 hours
[22:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] Thoughts on the Sony Jailbreak Lawsuit - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/01/thoughts-on-the-sony-jailbreak-lawsuit/
[22:06] <YaManicKill> didnt realise i had a hilight on my real name
[22:06] <YaManicKill> useful to know...
[22:24] <gord> my very french manager asked to try my english pg tips, the world has gone insane! (in a good way)
[22:33] <AlanBell> gord: boris?
[22:35] <gord> AlanBell, boris?
[22:35] <AlanBell> not him then
[22:36] <gord> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5zhcYHazGw this guy
[23:06] <d3ngar_> Hi, I have a problem with my DAAP server: the port is open, Rhythmbox is listening on it - yet I can't connect to the server, I don't get a song list
[23:06] <d3ngar_> Any ideas?
[23:32] <d3ngar_> :(