[06:15] <izinucs> Is there a preferred method of getting files downloaded from bazaar.launchpad.net??  other than "right mouse click save as" file after file after directory etc.. ?
[15:38] <jamie> morning california team
[15:49] <jtatum> hello
[16:01] <jledbetter> hello
[16:16] <MarkDude> Hello everyone
[16:17] <pleia2> evening MarkDude
[16:17] <pleia2> SF ubuntu hour + debian meeting tonight \o/ http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/612/detail/
[16:17] <MarkDude> You need to go to the next SuperNerdNight pleia2
[16:17] <jtatum> evening?
[16:17] <MarkDude> jtatum, play along :)
[16:18] <jtatum> oh boy
[16:18] <MarkDude> Scared me for a second, I have a conference call in a few minutes for CLS
[16:18]  * MarkDude does not want to miss the last one
[17:09] <jledbetter> MarkDude, Is there such a thing?
[17:09] <MarkDude> jledbetter, what?
[17:09] <jledbetter> MarkDude, SuperNerdNight
[17:10] <MarkDude> Yes
[17:10] <jledbetter> Haha. Great name.
[17:10]  * MarkDude would have invited you had you been on this Coast
[17:10] <MarkDude> there will be one next month
[17:10] <MarkDude> Cool, crowd there.
[17:11] <jledbetter> I bet :)
[17:11] <MarkDude> All sorts of video and real games, like the board type
[17:17] <MarkDude> They had Raskulls as a big game on a projected screen
[17:17]  * MarkDude felt at home when he walked in
[17:24]  * jdeslip totally forgot there was an Ubuntu Hour tonight...
[17:24] <jdeslip> we should set up a shared Google calendar for the team :)
[17:25] <jdeslip> So someone else can update it with all the events, and I can reap the benefits of having it included :)
[17:26] <akk> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ is hard to read -- it would help a lot if it had a "Location" field on it.
[17:28] <akk> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california is better, at least it has locations.
[17:29] <akk> But mailing list notifications would be better, for people who don't remember to check the website periodically.
[17:33] <jdeslip> But none of those can be incorporated into my google calendar :)
[17:33] <jdeslip> at least not automatically
[17:35] <jledbetter> jdeslip, +1
[17:36] <akk> If we had some standard-format listing somewhere, it could be used to generate both mailing list notices and a google calendar.
[17:37] <MarkDude> jdeslip, akk you going to CLS?
[17:37]  * MarkDude is going to send a reminder to the list
[17:38] <rww> jdeslip: LD theoretically has iCal exports. You can't point Google Calendar at them?
[17:38] <rww> (or did they break again)
[17:40] <jdeslip> I just tried to import the iCal feed into one of my google calendars but got error:
[17:40] <jdeslip> Error at line 561: Expected [VEVENT], read [VCALENDAR]
[17:41] <akk> MarkDude: I don't think so ... think I need to rest and/or catch up from being sick most of this week.
[17:41] <MarkDude> Damn
[17:41] <rww> jdeslip: ah. must be broken again. I'll take a look at fixing it tonight if I remember.
[17:41] <jdeslip> MarkDude: I'm not sure yet.  I registered, but have other engagements as well :/
[17:41] <rww> jdeslip: oh, never mind. someone already did
[17:42] <jdeslip> rww: sweet.  Let me know if you get working.
[17:42] <rww> https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/623288
[17:42] <rww> should be fixed next time a new LD version gets pushed out
[17:42] <MarkDude> Your plant has produced 1 ground cherry so far- and like 5 more are on getting ready :)
[17:46]  * MarkDude goes on curse-filled-rant about Cali team flaking on going to CLS
[17:46] <MarkDude> :D
[17:46] <jdeslip> It seems like even if importing the ics file works, it will not automatically update the Google calendar.  Everytime a new event is added you have to re-import the ical file :/
[17:49] <pleia2> for wishlist items: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory
[17:50] <pleia2> loco.ubuntu.com is in heavy development, they add feature requests often :)
[17:50] <rww> jdeslip: hrm, sure? I vaguely remember being able to set an iCal file on the web as a subscription source
[17:50] <rww> I might be confusing it with my attempts to get Evolution working, though
[17:51] <jdeslip> rww: Well, it is definitely possible I am not seeing something :/
[17:53] <akk>  Is there any sort of standard way to have an ical or xml or other machine-readable list of events, and let people add to it easily?
[17:53] <rww> akk: yes, is called "Google Calendar" >.>
[17:53]  * rww hasn't found a better solution
[17:54] <akk> Can you show a Google Calendar for a team as a web page everybody can read without their own google account?
[17:54] <akk> I've only used it for personal stuff.
[17:54] <rww> yes
[17:54] <rww> iirc, the standardized way of doing it in general is WebDAV + iCalendar format. WebDAV isn't exactly a standard feature of hosting servers, hence the obscurity.
[17:55] <rww> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar uses Google Calendar, if you're looking for an example. The only major issue I've seen is that it gets confused by UTC sometimes.
[17:56] <jdeslip> rww: I guess I found a way for google calendar to subscribe to an iCal feed.  However, it fails for the team calendar due to above issue.  I will try again when fix is rolled out.
[17:58] <jdeslip> The setting was hidden under "browse interesting calendars" and then "add by URL"
[18:03] <jdeslip> MarkDude: Is there an agenda for CLS somewhere?
[18:03] <MarkDude> Yes
[18:07] <jdeslip> Does it have a URL? ;)
[18:33] <pleia2> all I see so far is http://www.communityleadershipsummit.com/wiki/index.php/CLS_West_Session_Ideas
[18:33] <pleia2> can't find an actual agenda :\
[18:33] <pleia2> MarkDude?
[18:35] <MarkDude> Sorry- Im talking to another conference organizer about my talk details
[18:36] <MarkDude> http://www.communityleadershipsummit.com/wiki/index.php/CLS_West
[18:36] <pleia2> right, but the agenda?
[18:36] <MarkDude> http://clswest2011.eventbrite.com/
[18:36] <MarkDude> thats as close as you will get
[18:37] <MarkDude> It *is* an unconference
[18:37] <pleia2> ok
[18:38] <aaditya> Isn't the idea of an unconference to not have an agenda until the event day?
[18:38] <MarkDude> aaditya, well yes
[18:38] <MarkDude> At this point we have session ideas
[18:39] <pleia2> the session ideas page doesn't have any content
[18:39]  * MarkDude is seeign if folks would like to do a session where we learn how to do hackergotchis
[18:39] <MarkDude> pleia2, I know
[18:39] <aaditya> The idea is to walk in without ideas :D
[18:39] <MarkDude> we are maybe 2 weeks behind where we were last year as far as spreading info
[18:40] <MarkDude> aaditya, i always have ideas, I cants stop em
[18:41] <aaditya> MarkDude: of course, we can never walk in without ideas
[18:42] <aaditya> and it's good to have a session ideas page. Even better if it contains some ideas :)
[18:43]  * MarkDude had folks that said they would help with a best of list
[18:43] <MarkDude> they no here now
[18:44]  * MarkDude just got swamped with some potential contracts. Nothing super interesting yet. Enough tho to let me know I will have a few options, even if they are not my ideal
[18:44] <kdub> psh, hackergotchis. totally photoshopped :P
[18:45] <aaditya> err... gimp
[18:45]  * MarkDude has never used photoshop
[18:45] <MarkDude> http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/fifthpillar/hackergotchis/
[18:45] <MarkDude> Maybe once a long time ago
[18:45]  * MarkDude rocks the FOSS stuff
[18:46] <kdub> aaditya: jokes all around, eh?
[18:46] <kdub> i do my photo editing in vim
[18:47] <kdub> MarkDude: i'd like to go to cls west, just from that link, but i think its too far north
[18:47] <MarkDude> ffmpeg, who needs to actually *see* the videos they edit?
[18:47] <MarkDude> devry?
[18:47] <akk> heh, I was talking to the video guy at our toastmasters club about how he edits the videos after the meeting
[18:48] <kdub> i was summer of code for ffmpeg 2y ago...
[18:48] <akk> and he said he had a script to cut them at specific times, then he reassembles them with cat :)
[18:48] <MarkDude> hmmm
[18:48]  * MarkDude looks for the large *easy button*
[18:48] <aaditya> kdub: vim? :O I was hoping you'd say emacs!
[18:48] <akk> I had no idea you could splice video together with cat ... obviously it doesn't work with all formats, this is mjpeg or something from the camera.
[18:49]  * MarkDude runs from the holy war
[18:49] <akk> I edited an audio file in emacs once!
[18:49] <aaditya> akk: was it still audible at the end?
[18:49] <akk> Just to cut off a bunch of silence at the end. The resulting file gave errors but sounded fine.
[18:49] <aaditya> wow, nice
[18:50]  * MarkDude edited a few of the Code Camp videos on my Terra HD, I had to do it without video preview, only audio
[18:50] <kdub> cat-ing the files sometimes works, sometimes it can mess up poorly written decoders though
[18:54] <aaditya> kdub: how far do you live from SF?
[18:54] <kdub> 20 miles north of mexico
[18:54] <nhaines> ha
[18:55] <aaditya> San Diego, hmm.
[18:55] <MarkDude> Ok thats a bit far :D
[18:55] <MarkDude> that would make nhaines closer than you
[18:55] <MarkDude> lol
[18:55] <jamie> i live in valolejo may be 30 mins fro sf
[18:55] <jamie> ok supposed to be vallejo
[18:55] <MarkDude> jamie, I like the 1st way better
[18:56] <MarkDude> You should make it to this then jamie
[18:57] <jamie> ok i just walked into this conversation. what are we talking about again
[18:58] <pleia2> the community leadership summit in daly city on saturday http://clswest2011.eventbrite.com/
[18:59] <jamie> what is it and when?
[18:59] <pleia2> all the details are in that link
[19:00] <jamie> thanks i just found it
[19:01] <MarkDude> Lots of great people there
[19:01] <MarkDude> I met some new friends at the last one
[19:01] <MarkDude> As well as gaining some great contacts
[19:02] <MarkDude> This year we should have even more Linux folks. We should have a nice critical mass
[19:02] <jamie> without sounding too lame ill see if my wife will let me go lol
[19:02]  * MarkDude is not judging :)
[19:03] <MarkDude> happiness on the homefront is very important
[19:03] <MarkDude> Catered dinner after it also - we will have some folks to help in a Tea Ceremony also
[19:04] <MarkDude> Middle east food at night- Indian for the day
[19:04] <jamie> definitely. whenever i try to go to a tech event i always get that look
[19:05] <MarkDude> this event has one of the most diverse crowds also
[19:05] <MarkDude> cool cross section of folks
[19:06] <MarkDude> OSCON # 1, CLSwest #2, other conferences after that, imho
[20:16]  * MarkDude just found out that 2 of his talks are approved for Scale
[20:26] <jdeslip> MarkDude: So, there are no pre-arranged speakers for the "unconference" ?
[20:26] <MarkDude> FOSS Mentoring and why and how we should help new users- it is an  UpSCALE talk.
[20:26] <MarkDude> jdeslip, no
[20:26] <pleia2> congrats MarkDude
[20:27] <MarkDude> Kaylia and folks Like Sudha Jamthe are going to do sessions there
[20:27] <MarkDude> You get choices
[20:27] <MarkDude> pleia2,  Ty
[20:27] <MarkDude> I am hella stoked
[20:27] <pleia2> mjoseph asked why I am not speaking
[20:27] <pleia2> "because I'm shy and didn't submit a talk"
[20:27] <pleia2> :D
[20:28]  * MarkDude used you as primary source for my responsibilities in FOSS talk
[20:28] <MarkDude> So you are, just by proxy ;)
[20:28] <pleia2> that works
[20:28] <MarkDude> http://ostatic.com/blog/businesses-need-clear-policies-for-foss-contributions
[20:28] <pleia2> I should actually do another talk sometime, practice is they key and all
[20:29] <MarkDude> Hi, my name is Lyz, and I have good smart stuff written all over the internets :D
[20:29] <MarkDude> pleia2, it is the key  for sure
[20:29] <MarkDude> the closer to your passion the easier it will be with practice
[20:29] <pleia2> yeah
[20:31] <MarkDude> The 2nd talk is My If Tux the Penguin offered you Kool Aid- would you drink it talk - that will be during the day. The FOSS talk is the Upscale thing. 5 minutes- 20 slides- like Ignite talks
[21:12] <akk> upscale?
[21:13] <MarkDude> tOn Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Courtney Draper <courtneybdraper@gmail.com> wrote:
[21:13] <MarkDude> Sorry we have different views on they way employees should be handled......I know how much you care for me and my best interest. Thank you again for giving me a great reference and I will put your name down for future references.
[21:13] <MarkDude> Best of Luck to ZaReason
[21:13] <MarkDude> -Courtney
[21:13] <MarkDude> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Cathy Malmrose <cathy@zareason.com> wrote:
[21:13] <MarkDude> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Courtney Draper <courtneybdraper@gmail.com> wrote:
[21:13] <MarkDude> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Cathy Malmrose <cathy@zareason.com> wrote:
[21:13] <MarkDude> Courtney,
[21:13] <MarkDude> One last note to make sure you understand that the letting go was done in an extremely gentle and professional manner all things considered. I had a stack of incident reports documenting where actual money was leaking due to mistakes, but the breaking point came right at Christmas.
[21:13] <MarkDude>  There were a lot of problems going on towards the end and it was too bad that E-mail was our only form of communication.
[21:13] <MarkDude>  
[21:13] <MarkDude> In Nov, NATO had approached us, seeing if they could do long-term contracting for hardware and support through us. In early Dec we sent them a laptop, you shipped it but shipped it as a Letter. It's still in customs in Norway. (You trained for USPS shipping in Feb last year -- it wasn't a new process.) We have even considered flying to Norway to get it out of customs and to the NATO officials, but it's an insane expense and the damag
[21:13] <MarkDude> e is done.
[21:13] <MarkDude> This sounds a little confusing but no need for explaining now....
[21:13] <MarkDude> I understand that you were upset about "how it was handled" but please know that you were well protected from 95% of the pain that was behind it.
[21:13] <pleia2> seemed like a mispaste
[21:14] <akk> yeah
[21:14] <akk> not something that should be on the channel (even though I confess I'm now very curious :)
[21:16] <jdeslip> ...
[21:16] <pleia2> yeah, it was a bad mistake
[21:17] <pleia2> Mark said he leaned on his mouse
[21:27] <rww> heh. I've had irssi's paste-protection save me more than once ;P
[21:30] <akk> xchat seems perfectly happy with pasting big stuff in, but then it won't allow copying from one tab and pasting into another. So weird.
[21:30]  * jdeslip goes to learn about past protection
[21:31] <akk> Protection from the past sounds quite useful, jdeslip!
[21:32] <rww> It's enabled by default (and disabled by one or two scripts, actually, which caused me to flood the heck out of #ubuntu-offtopic once)
[21:32] <rww> "21:31:47 -!- Irssi: Pasting 26 lines to ##rww. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel."
[21:32] <akk> Nice!
[21:33] <pleia2> yeah, irssi's paste protection rocks :)
[21:33] <jdeslip> Is there a minimum # of lines?  I was able to just paste 3 lines in another channel.
[21:34] <rww> 5 is the default. see /set paste_verify_line_count
[21:38] <jledbetter> Poor Mark
[21:39] <akk> I expected him to rejoin.
[21:40] <jledbetter> Ditto.
[21:58] <kdub> ruhroh, bad news bears
[22:17] <kdub> it seems to me that a moderately train should be available from san diego to sanfran, guess not
[22:19] <jtatum> not yet
[22:20] <akk> No Amtrack?
[22:23] <kdub> the socal and norcal routes are disjoint, go figure
[22:27] <jtatum> heh. priced it out for fun. it's a 14 hour bus + train ride for ~$140 rt. about the same price to fly
[22:28] <akk> Trains are usually more expensive than flying, but the bus probably brings it back down.
[22:28] <kdub> all in all it means no CLS :P
[22:28] <akk> I think it might be possible to train via Sacramento ... I'm pretty sure there's a central valley Amtrack route (or at least used to be).
[22:28] <kdub> down to bakersfield
[22:29] <akk> Then not past there?
[22:29] <kdub> not on the map i saw
[22:29] <jtatum> yeah there's a train-bus-train solution like that
[22:29] <jtatum> the amtrak web site is funny in its awfulness
[22:29] <jtatum> it shows you every possible trip, even the ridiculous ones :)
[22:30] <kdub> i once looked at detroit to grandrapids (4h by car) was a 12 hour  ordeal through chicago
[22:31] <kdub> a $50 north/south california link would be phenomenal
[22:31] <akk> yep, I see what you mean. No other routes go to bakersfield.
[22:31] <jtatum> the high speed rail would do that… maybe not for $50 though
[22:31] <akk> I agree, would love to take a train to burbank sometimes rather than driving.
[22:32] <akk> no, if it ever gets built it'll be expensive, I'll bet
[22:32] <jtatum> http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/trip_planner.aspx
[22:32] <akk> considering regular amtrack is already usually more expensive than flying, at least for long trips
[22:33] <kdub> jtatum: is that what might get built? that would be pretty great
[22:33] <akk> Looks like they're spending all their money on flash developers instead of just publishing a static map and moving on to building the silly thing. :)
[22:34] <akk> (no non-flash map that I can find)
[22:37] <kdub> here's hoping that happens eventually though, high speed rail is great
[22:37] <rww> Martinez to LA is ridiculous. My friend used to do it.
[22:37] <rww> involves a bus and I think costs more than Southwest Airlines.
[23:31] <pleia2> ooooh, mac launched an app store for OSX
[23:31] <pleia2> that's why I keep getting the "when will ubuntu have an app store" question
[23:31] <akk> So, when will ubuntu have an app store? :)
[23:32]  * akk is crossing fingers for all the various conflicting plans to make it easier to get software into ubuntu
[23:33] <rww> I don't want software to be easier to get into Ubuntu. The present difficulty is quality assurance :(
[23:33] <akk> Is it?
[23:34] <rww> Considering the quality of PPA packaging I've seen, yes.
[23:34] <pleia2> the software center is an app store
[23:36] <akk> There's been a lot of discussion for how developers/companies could make their apps easily accessible to ubuntu users without going through the maintainer process.
[23:44] <kdub> debian package manage: the original app store