| BiosElement | I really really hate idiots who fail to understand Flash is not a legal threat while H.264 is | 00:23 |
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| BiosElement | Funny how everyone uses that to call google evil for dumping H.264 though | 00:24 |
| BiosElement | So basically the only two folks not supporting WebM are Microsoft which isn't suprising and apple, which isn'r suprising | 00:27 |
| BiosElement | Common pattern? Both of them make money off their patents on H.264. :) | 00:27 |
| dmcglone | hey all | 00:38 |
| Cheri703 | hi | 00:39 |
| * dmcglone is watching the bluejackets | 00:58 | |
| dmcglone | Cheri703: Can I PM you? | 01:17 |
| Cheri703 | sure | 01:17 |
| BiosElement | Awesome | 03:08 |
| BiosElement | This Chrome Codec war is gonna be awesome | 03:08 |
| BiosElement | Trolls are out in full force | 03:08 |
| BiosElement | "Google is using its monopoly position* in online video market to shove an inferior codec down the public's throat, and are screwing over members of the H.264 patent pool that would otherwise receive patent royalties." | 03:08 |
| Cheri703 | ...no one has any obligation to use someone else's patent...in fact, that's kind of the point...they don't exist for the purpose of making money for the holders... | 03:10 |
| BiosElement | Exactly | 03:10 |
| BiosElement | But come on, think of the poor small business patent holders who make all their money from software patents! | 03:10 |
| BiosElement | Think of them! ;) | 03:10 |
| BiosElement | I mean come on, you're starving them! It's theft! >.> | 03:10 |
| * BiosElement trys not to laugh | 03:10 | |
| Cheri703 | -_- | 03:11 |
| Cheri703 | yeah | 03:11 |
| Cheri703 | you can see how people have been drinking the kool-aid :/ | 03:11 |
| BiosElement | If anything, I'd say H.264 is the monopoly | 03:11 |
| Cheri703 | yeah | 03:11 |
| BiosElement | And I don't see why a service provider can't choose the best codec for their service | 03:11 |
| BiosElement | Granted I think this ranter is from the EU where they went to war over packaged browsers for stupid anti trust cases | 03:12 |
| Cheri703 | still | 03:12 |
| BiosElement | Plus people seem to think the H264 codec is free forever | 03:12 |
| BiosElement | Only till 2015 >.> | 03:12 |
| BiosElement | Sure you can 'watch' videos forever now using their codec | 03:12 |
| BiosElement | But you can't encode them | 03:13 |
| Cheri703 | I don't follow all of that much | 03:13 |
| BiosElement | Eh, only reason I do is because if I didn't the trolls would spread their FUD all over the place. | 03:13 |
| BiosElement | And in this case, the F/OSS folks are getting a huge amount of flack over this | 03:13 |
| BiosElement | Gets better | 03:14 |
| BiosElement | "Those companies that will be denied patent royalties as a result of Google's actions are in a position to file suit in the EU." | 03:14 |
| BiosElement | So not only are software patents a good thing, but you're required to use them? Even better. | 03:14 |
| * BiosElement thinks MPEG LA is sharing lawayers with the RIAA/MPAA | 03:14 | |
| Cheri703 | so...hmm...why...I don't even...what? | 03:17 |
| Cheri703 | how could they sue for not using them?! | 03:17 |
| BiosElement | In the EU they might have a chance | 03:18 |
| BiosElement | Hell, they sued microsoft with antitrust for packaging IE which personally I still find idiotic. | 03:18 |
| BiosElement | EU laws are silly enough that they could probably get 'something' to stick. But that'd be funny since I don't know if the EU backs US software patents | 03:19 |
| canthus13 | BiosElement: That suit at least made some sense. | 03:19 |
| Cheri703 | well, I don't know, I see that as at least somewhat different | 03:19 |
| Cheri703 | +1 canthus13 | 03:19 |
| BiosElement | canthus13: Some sense maybe, but not much. | 03:19 |
| canthus13 | I understand the stance that MS has an unfair monopoly by being able to include their browser, and ONLY their browser. | 03:20 |
| Cheri703 | if they included 4 and not a 5th, then no, they shouldn't be sued | 03:20 |
| BiosElement | And see I'd disagree. | 03:20 |
| BiosElement | I'd say it's their bloody product and they can do what they want. | 03:20 |
| BiosElement | Doesn't make it good, but still. | 03:21 |
| paultag | canthus13: duh blackmail | 03:21 |
| canthus13 | Right, but since they control most of the market, and they're well known for abusing their position, they deserved it. | 03:21 |
| BiosElement | canthus13: I don't entirely disagree, but that's an extreme case | 03:22 |
| paultag | canthus13: you never know when you need to stash some docs | 03:22 |
| BiosElement | And as for EU Software patents | 03:22 |
| BiosElement | The EU doesn't allow software patents generally | 03:22 |
| BiosElement | So yeah | 03:22 |
| canthus13 | paultag: Right...? | 03:22 |
| BiosElement | I'd love to see them try to take their software patents to the EU to attack google over avoiding patents that the EU doesn't consider patentable | 03:22 |
| paultag | canthus13: left/ | 03:23 |
| canthus13 | mmmkay. | 03:23 |
| paultag | k | 03:23 |
| BiosElement | H.264 is so dead for the web anyway | 03:24 |
| BiosElement | Mozilla, Opera and Google all hate it. Leaving just Microsoft (Which isn't a fan of any of them) and Apple | 03:25 |
| BiosElement | "Ubuntu tried to encourage use of Ogg Vorbis by removing MP3 support from the stock installation, and I'm not aware that it's done anything but inconvenience people." | 03:27 |
| BiosElement | ^Or actually Ubuntu can't legally ship MP3 support | 03:27 |
| BiosElement | Google really needs to make an "Idiots guide to software patents"... | 03:28 |
| BiosElement | I really need to make a wall of shame for some of these comments... | 03:39 |
| BiosElement | i give up, I can't read any more of these or I'm gonna have to destroy something. >.> | 03:48 |
| * BiosElement goes to put a block on ars technica since their posts are now inaccurate and their moderators non-existent | 03:49 | |
| Unit193 | Are the comments really what the people think?? maybe they are just trolling?? I hope! | 04:24 |
| BiosElement | Eh, they're legit commits | 04:32 |
| BiosElement | *comments | 04:32 |
| BiosElement | Unless you think 8 pages with 30 per page are all trolls :P | 04:32 |
| Unit193 | With comments like that...... | 04:32 |
| BiosElement | Yeah I know | 04:32 |
| BiosElement | I'm hoping Google sticks to their guns | 04:32 |
| BiosElement | This is the best chance we'll ever have | 04:34 |
| Unit193 | BiosElement: You still/use Kubuntu? | 04:53 |
| BiosElement | Yep | 04:54 |
| BiosElement | Best release ever too heh | 04:54 |
| Unit193 | I take it you use the default menu style? | 04:55 |
| BiosElement | Eh usually, but I've used hmm...now I can't remember the name of the other one...but used it too >.> | 04:56 |
| Unit193 | getdeb and medibuntu? (or what the real name is) | 05:01 |
| BiosElement | Lancelot | 05:01 |
| Unit193 | This about right? http://jokes4all.net/joke_264.html | 06:41 |
| BiosElement | Hmm, disqus is again crying about how they're so sorry that their service has downtime every few days. >.> Am I really supposed to feel sorry for them seeing as they have at least two rather large datacenters and counting yet they can't keep the lights on? >.> | 20:31 |
| BiosElement | Hmm, we still having Ubuntu Hour in Columbus today? | 21:11 |
| BiosElement | Seems so, I'll see if I can get down there. | 21:13 |
| * BiosElement-gOS waves | 22:58 | |
| BiosElement-gOS | Claimed the lone free center table. >.> | 22:59 |
| Unit193 | All alone? | 23:15 |
| dmcglone | Hiya Pals! | 23:29 |
| dmcglone | Cheri703: listen up!!!! | 23:30 |
| Cheri703 | ? | 23:41 |
| Cheri703 | dmcglone: ? | 23:41 |
| Unit193 | Hello dmcglone | 23:56 |
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