[00:23] <BiosElement> I really really hate idiots who fail to understand Flash is not a legal threat while H.264 is
[00:24] <BiosElement> Funny how everyone uses that to call google evil for dumping H.264 though
[00:27] <BiosElement> So basically the only two folks not supporting WebM are Microsoft which isn't suprising and apple, which isn'r suprising
[00:27] <BiosElement> Common pattern? Both of them make money off their patents on H.264. :)
[00:38] <dmcglone> hey all
[00:39] <Cheri703> hi
[00:58]  * dmcglone is watching the bluejackets
[01:17] <dmcglone> Cheri703: Can I PM you?
[01:17] <Cheri703> sure
[03:08] <BiosElement> Awesome
[03:08] <BiosElement> This Chrome Codec war is gonna be awesome
[03:08] <BiosElement> Trolls are out in full force
[03:08] <BiosElement> "Google is using its monopoly position* in online video market to shove an inferior codec down the public's throat, and are screwing over members of the H.264 patent pool that would otherwise receive patent royalties."
[03:10] <Cheri703> ...no one has any obligation to use someone else's patent...in fact, that's kind of the point...they don't exist for the purpose of making money for the holders...
[03:10] <BiosElement> Exactly
[03:10] <BiosElement> But come on, think of the poor small business patent holders who make all their money from software patents!
[03:10] <BiosElement> Think of them! ;)
[03:10] <BiosElement> I mean come on, you're starving them! It's theft! >.>
[03:10]  * BiosElement trys not to laugh
[03:11] <Cheri703> -_-
[03:11] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:11] <Cheri703> you can see how people have been drinking the kool-aid :/
[03:11] <BiosElement> If anything, I'd say H.264 is the monopoly
[03:11] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:11] <BiosElement> And I don't see why a service provider can't choose the best codec for their service
[03:12] <BiosElement> Granted I think this ranter is from the EU where they went to war over packaged browsers for stupid anti trust cases
[03:12] <Cheri703> still
[03:12] <BiosElement> Plus people seem to think the H264 codec is free forever
[03:12] <BiosElement> Only till 2015 >.>
[03:12] <BiosElement> Sure you can 'watch' videos forever now using their codec
[03:13] <BiosElement> But you can't encode them
[03:13] <Cheri703> I don't follow all of that much
[03:13] <BiosElement> Eh, only reason I do is because if I didn't the trolls would spread their FUD all over the place.
[03:13] <BiosElement> And in this case, the F/OSS folks are getting a huge amount of flack over this
[03:14] <BiosElement> Gets better
[03:14] <BiosElement> "Those companies that will be denied patent royalties as a result of Google's actions are in a position to file suit in the EU."
[03:14] <BiosElement> So not only are software patents a good thing, but you're required to use them? Even better.
[03:14]  * BiosElement thinks MPEG LA is sharing lawayers with the RIAA/MPAA
[03:17] <Cheri703> so...hmm...why...I don't even...what?
[03:17] <Cheri703> how could they sue for not using them?!
[03:18] <BiosElement> In the EU they might have a chance
[03:18] <BiosElement> Hell, they sued microsoft with antitrust for packaging IE which personally I still find idiotic.
[03:19] <BiosElement> EU laws are silly enough that they could probably get 'something' to stick. But that'd be funny since I don't know if the EU backs US software patents
[03:19] <canthus13> BiosElement: That suit at least made some sense.
[03:19] <Cheri703> well, I don't know, I see that as at least somewhat different
[03:19] <Cheri703> +1 canthus13
[03:19] <BiosElement> canthus13: Some sense maybe, but not much.
[03:20] <canthus13> I understand the stance that MS has an unfair monopoly by being able to include their browser, and ONLY their browser.
[03:20] <Cheri703> if they included 4 and not a 5th, then no, they shouldn't be sued
[03:20] <BiosElement> And see I'd disagree.
[03:20] <BiosElement> I'd say it's their bloody product and they can do what they want.
[03:21] <BiosElement> Doesn't make it good, but still.
[03:21] <paultag> canthus13: duh blackmail
[03:21] <canthus13> Right, but since they control most of the market, and they're well known for abusing their position, they deserved it.
[03:22] <BiosElement> canthus13: I don't entirely disagree, but that's an extreme case
[03:22] <paultag> canthus13: you never know when you need to stash some docs
[03:22] <BiosElement> And as for EU Software patents
[03:22] <BiosElement> The EU doesn't allow software patents generally
[03:22] <BiosElement> So yeah
[03:22] <canthus13> paultag: Right...?
[03:22] <BiosElement> I'd love to see them try to take their software patents to the EU to attack google over avoiding patents that the EU doesn't consider patentable
[03:23] <paultag> canthus13: left/
[03:23] <canthus13> mmmkay.
[03:23] <paultag> k
[03:24] <BiosElement> H.264 is so dead for the web anyway
[03:25] <BiosElement> Mozilla, Opera and Google all hate it. Leaving just Microsoft (Which isn't a fan of any of them) and Apple
[03:27] <BiosElement> "Ubuntu tried to encourage use of Ogg Vorbis by removing MP3 support from the stock installation, and I'm not aware that it's done anything but inconvenience people."
[03:27] <BiosElement> ^Or actually Ubuntu can't legally ship MP3 support
[03:28] <BiosElement> Google really needs to make an "Idiots guide to software patents"...
[03:39] <BiosElement> I really need to make a wall of shame for some of these comments...
[03:48] <BiosElement> i give up, I can't read any more of these or I'm gonna have to destroy something. >.>
[03:49]  * BiosElement goes to put a block on ars technica since their posts are now inaccurate and their moderators non-existent
[04:24] <Unit193> Are the comments really what the people think?? maybe they are just trolling?? I hope!
[04:32] <BiosElement> Eh, they're legit commits
[04:32] <BiosElement> *comments
[04:32] <BiosElement> Unless you think 8 pages with 30 per page are all trolls :P
[04:32] <Unit193> With comments like that......
[04:32] <BiosElement> Yeah I know
[04:32] <BiosElement> I'm  hoping Google sticks to their guns
[04:34] <BiosElement> This is the best chance we'll ever have
[04:53] <Unit193> BiosElement: You still/use Kubuntu?
[04:54] <BiosElement> Yep
[04:54] <BiosElement> Best release ever too heh
[04:55] <Unit193> I take it you use the default menu style?
[04:56] <BiosElement> Eh usually, but I've used hmm...now I can't remember the name of the other one...but used it too >.>
[05:01] <Unit193> getdeb and medibuntu? (or what the real name is)
[05:01] <BiosElement> Lancelot
[06:41] <Unit193> This about right? http://jokes4all.net/joke_264.html
[20:31] <BiosElement> Hmm, disqus is again crying about how they're so sorry that their service has downtime every few days. >.> Am I really supposed to feel sorry for them seeing as they have at least two  rather large datacenters and counting yet they can't keep the lights on? >.>
[21:11] <BiosElement> Hmm, we still having Ubuntu Hour in Columbus today?
[21:13] <BiosElement> Seems so, I'll see if I can get down there.
[22:58]  * BiosElement-gOS waves
[22:59] <BiosElement-gOS> Claimed the lone free center table. >.>
[23:15] <Unit193> All alone?
[23:29] <dmcglone> Hiya Pals!
[23:30] <dmcglone> Cheri703: listen up!!!!
[23:41] <Cheri703> ?
[23:41] <Cheri703> dmcglone: ?
[23:56] <Unit193> Hello dmcglone