[00:23] I really really hate idiots who fail to understand Flash is not a legal threat while H.264 is [00:24] Funny how everyone uses that to call google evil for dumping H.264 though [00:27] So basically the only two folks not supporting WebM are Microsoft which isn't suprising and apple, which isn'r suprising [00:27] Common pattern? Both of them make money off their patents on H.264. :) [00:38] hey all [00:39] hi [00:58] * dmcglone is watching the bluejackets [01:17] Cheri703: Can I PM you? [01:17] sure [03:08] Awesome [03:08] This Chrome Codec war is gonna be awesome [03:08] Trolls are out in full force [03:08] "Google is using its monopoly position* in online video market to shove an inferior codec down the public's throat, and are screwing over members of the H.264 patent pool that would otherwise receive patent royalties." [03:10] ...no one has any obligation to use someone else's patent...in fact, that's kind of the point...they don't exist for the purpose of making money for the holders... [03:10] Exactly [03:10] But come on, think of the poor small business patent holders who make all their money from software patents! [03:10] Think of them! ;) [03:10] I mean come on, you're starving them! It's theft! >.> [03:10] * BiosElement trys not to laugh [03:11] -_- [03:11] yeah [03:11] you can see how people have been drinking the kool-aid :/ [03:11] If anything, I'd say H.264 is the monopoly [03:11] yeah [03:11] And I don't see why a service provider can't choose the best codec for their service [03:12] Granted I think this ranter is from the EU where they went to war over packaged browsers for stupid anti trust cases [03:12] still [03:12] Plus people seem to think the H264 codec is free forever [03:12] Only till 2015 >.> [03:12] Sure you can 'watch' videos forever now using their codec [03:13] But you can't encode them [03:13] I don't follow all of that much [03:13] Eh, only reason I do is because if I didn't the trolls would spread their FUD all over the place. [03:13] And in this case, the F/OSS folks are getting a huge amount of flack over this [03:14] Gets better [03:14] "Those companies that will be denied patent royalties as a result of Google's actions are in a position to file suit in the EU." [03:14] So not only are software patents a good thing, but you're required to use them? Even better. [03:14] * BiosElement thinks MPEG LA is sharing lawayers with the RIAA/MPAA [03:17] so...hmm...why...I don't even...what? [03:17] how could they sue for not using them?! [03:18] In the EU they might have a chance [03:18] Hell, they sued microsoft with antitrust for packaging IE which personally I still find idiotic. [03:19] EU laws are silly enough that they could probably get 'something' to stick. But that'd be funny since I don't know if the EU backs US software patents [03:19] BiosElement: That suit at least made some sense. [03:19] well, I don't know, I see that as at least somewhat different [03:19] +1 canthus13 [03:19] canthus13: Some sense maybe, but not much. [03:20] I understand the stance that MS has an unfair monopoly by being able to include their browser, and ONLY their browser. [03:20] if they included 4 and not a 5th, then no, they shouldn't be sued [03:20] And see I'd disagree. [03:20] I'd say it's their bloody product and they can do what they want. [03:21] Doesn't make it good, but still. [03:21] canthus13: duh blackmail [03:21] Right, but since they control most of the market, and they're well known for abusing their position, they deserved it. [03:22] canthus13: I don't entirely disagree, but that's an extreme case [03:22] canthus13: you never know when you need to stash some docs [03:22] And as for EU Software patents [03:22] The EU doesn't allow software patents generally [03:22] So yeah [03:22] paultag: Right...? [03:22] I'd love to see them try to take their software patents to the EU to attack google over avoiding patents that the EU doesn't consider patentable [03:23] canthus13: left/ [03:23] mmmkay. [03:23] k [03:24] H.264 is so dead for the web anyway [03:25] Mozilla, Opera and Google all hate it. Leaving just Microsoft (Which isn't a fan of any of them) and Apple [03:27] "Ubuntu tried to encourage use of Ogg Vorbis by removing MP3 support from the stock installation, and I'm not aware that it's done anything but inconvenience people." [03:27] ^Or actually Ubuntu can't legally ship MP3 support [03:28] Google really needs to make an "Idiots guide to software patents"... [03:39] I really need to make a wall of shame for some of these comments... [03:48] i give up, I can't read any more of these or I'm gonna have to destroy something. >.> [03:49] * BiosElement goes to put a block on ars technica since their posts are now inaccurate and their moderators non-existent [04:24] Are the comments really what the people think?? maybe they are just trolling?? I hope! [04:32] Eh, they're legit commits [04:32] *comments [04:32] Unless you think 8 pages with 30 per page are all trolls :P [04:32] With comments like that...... [04:32] Yeah I know [04:32] I'm hoping Google sticks to their guns [04:34] This is the best chance we'll ever have [04:53] BiosElement: You still/use Kubuntu? [04:54] Yep [04:54] Best release ever too heh [04:55] I take it you use the default menu style? [04:56] Eh usually, but I've used hmm...now I can't remember the name of the other one...but used it too >.> [05:01] getdeb and medibuntu? (or what the real name is) [05:01] Lancelot [06:41] This about right? http://jokes4all.net/joke_264.html [20:31] Hmm, disqus is again crying about how they're so sorry that their service has downtime every few days. >.> Am I really supposed to feel sorry for them seeing as they have at least two rather large datacenters and counting yet they can't keep the lights on? >.> [21:11] Hmm, we still having Ubuntu Hour in Columbus today? [21:13] Seems so, I'll see if I can get down there. [22:58] * BiosElement-gOS waves [22:59] Claimed the lone free center table. >.> [23:15] All alone? [23:29] Hiya Pals! [23:30] Cheri703: listen up!!!! [23:41] ? [23:41] dmcglone: ? [23:56] Hello dmcglone