[00:23] <Volkodav> hmm still not booting - Iwill try to reinstall grub I guess - I wonder if it's just me ?
[02:19] <Volkodav> well grub reinstall worked - I guess the latest upgrade corrupted it some way
[04:35] <litropy> K. back up and running after upgrading to 11.04. First impression: Wow! Did I read somewhere it doesn't use X?
[06:31] <rww> litropy: no, you read somewhere that at some point in the middle to far future, it won't
[06:32] <rww> 11.04, and several releases after that, most like, will use Xorg.
[13:32] <gnomefreak> we dropped ubuntu-desktop already?
[13:38] <gnomefreak> where is mvo when you need him :(
[14:04] <gnomefreak> you install maverick(gnome) install nvidia-current irssi irss-scripts  run dist-upgrade it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop and add a crap load of kde packages/libs  anyone else find that weird?
[14:07] <Pici> gnomefreak: Doesn't aptitude have an option of telling you why a package is being removed?
[14:11] <gnomefreak> Pici: not too consered about remove of ubuntu-desktop its more of why kde apps/libs are being installed
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:12] <gnomefreak> install 10.10(gnome) irssi,irssi-scripts, and nvidia-current would install kde anything on dist-upgrade. using update-manager it stops on ubuntu-desktop
[14:12] <gnomefreak> hi BluesKaj
[14:13] <BluesKaj> hi gnomefreak , Pici
[14:13] <Pici> heya
[14:14] <BluesKaj> so far so good here , altho booting on my other natty pc seems to have more probs than this one , altho the other one is older
[14:14] <BluesKaj> using kde on both
[14:15] <gnomefreak> here is the output http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/553608/
[14:15] <gnomefreak> this really bothers me. i dont want a mixed install :(
[14:17] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, well, I have alot of gtk stuff ta\hat seems to be required for browsers like FF
[14:17] <BluesKaj> or sp it seems
[14:17] <BluesKaj> so\
[14:18] <gnomefreak> if you used the kubuntu-firefox-installer it shouldnt install many gtk stiff if any
[14:18] <BluesKaj> kde font settings for example won't apply in FF unless I enable the gtk fonts in system settings
[14:20] <BluesKaj> not talking about webpage settings , i mean toolbar, menubar and bookmarks toolbars
[14:20] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: yesh that may require gtk stuff
[14:21] <BluesKaj> FF automatically upgraded FF4 beta when I netinstalled natty
[14:21] <BluesKaj> upgraded to FF4 is what I mean
[14:21] <gnomefreak> yep it should be alpha 8 as default in natty
[14:25] <BluesKaj> is it really possible to have a pure gnome/gtk OS or even a pure kde  these days ...seems not to me
[14:26] <gnomefreak> should be, they should not have to mix. im guessing apt-url-kde is causing my issue but not real sure
[14:26] <gnomefreak> it wants to install it
[14:28]  * gnomefreak sonders if removeing ubuntu-desktop will not allow me to boot into unity desktop and/or classic desktop
[14:29] <gnomefreak> i think The following NEW packages will be installed: akonadi-server apturl-kde
[14:29] <gnomefreak> is causing my issues all of them
[14:36] <gnomefreak> lol aptitude nor update-manager will upgrade anything. i ran out of time to screw with this for now.
[14:42] <gnomefreak> seems OO.o and ubuntu-desktop want to remove most of gtk updates
[14:57] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, do you have the ubuntu ppa urls handy ?
[14:59] <BluesKaj> I'm thinking of running a separate gnome/ubuntu partition
[15:02] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: afaik there is no gnome PPAs just install ubuntu-desktop but it seems broken due to depends. i have to go, i should be back later
[15:06] <genii-around> dist-upgrade just now (Natty, KDE): plasma-widget-menubar kept back .. Depends: appmenu-qt , not installable ... apt-cache policy appmenu-qt: Candidate: (none)
[15:43] <BluesKaj> genii-around, I net upgraded kubuntu without any trouble. I think gnome seems to have some issues tho
[15:45] <genii-around> hm
[15:45] <genii-around> BluesKaj: 32 or 64 bit?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> 32
[15:47] <BluesKaj> genii-around, been running 32 bit for a while now altho the cpu is 64bit dual core and 3G RAM , so I don't 64 bit is of much benefit to this setup
[15:47] <genii-around> BluesKaj: I'm running 64bit... upgrade went OK ( didn't chunk out or so, just held back that package)
[15:47] <BluesKaj> don't think
[15:49] <genii-around> I find it odd though that no package candidate at all (not even a previous one) for the appmenu-qt
[15:49] <BluesKaj> ok genii-around , I had a couple of packages held back as well, but it didn't create any porbs
[15:51] <BluesKaj> appmenu-qt ? that sounds like a kde-libs app
[15:52] <BluesKaj> or am I off the mark?
[15:54] <DJKorbit> is there a python lib to parse .dsc files? i can't seem to find one
[15:54] <DJKorbit> should i code one myself?
[18:11] <zerwas> Is there any way to get Natty with Unity to work in VMware?
[18:13] <WaltherFI> How stable is Natty atm?
[18:13] <WaltherFI> also, is there a natty build for ubuntustudio already?
[18:23] <charlie-tca> WaltherFI: it is not even alpha2 yet. It is not stable
[19:50] <coz_> so have the updates broken anything  today?
[20:42] <Volkodav> Does grub2 recognize the FreeBSD install correct? Anybody tried ?
[20:45] <nit-wit> Volkodav, FreeBSD is lilo is this correct
[20:49] <Volkodav> Somebody mentioned that grub2 can do it too - I did it years ago it chainloaded
[20:51] <Volkodav> with legacy grub
[20:53] <genii-around> Volkodav: grub2 on my karmic install recognised my freebsd 5 and set it up ok
[20:54] <Volkodav> it was my first install too - 5.4 - thanks genii-around did you install FreeBSD installer in / ?
[20:55] <genii-around> Volkodav: I had FBSD on separate drive, not a subpartition of the same drive my linux was on. grub2 just chainloaded the BSD loader
[20:56] <Volkodav> genii-around: I do not think it makes much difference if any at all
[20:56] <Volkodav> grub2 still probes all around partitions included as far as I understand
[20:58] <genii-around> Volkodav: On the netbook it finds my MeeGo install as "Unknown linux distribution on /dev/sdb1"  kind of thing
[21:07] <Volkodav> genii-around: does it boot it though ? as long as it boots it the name calling is not that of importance
[21:09] <genii-around> Volkodav: In the case of my MeeGo, it bypassed the bootloader on sdb and made it's own entry directly to load the vmlinuz .
[21:10] <genii-around> ( which was problemmatic in that kernel upgrades in Meego update it's own bootloader but then you have to run again update-grub to make new entries for those)
[21:18] <Volkodav> What loader does Meego use ?
[21:51] <genii-around> Volkodav: Apologies on lag, work needed me. It uses extlinux which operates something like the old syslinux way of bootstrapping from a FAT filesystem
[21:52] <Volkodav> OK
[22:28] <WaltherFI> Any ways to dynamically change names of files in a folder from random.jpg 's to 001-999.jpg or similar?
[22:59] <BUGabundo> o/
[23:43] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: ^^
[23:43] <kklimonda> WaltherFI: yes - but you would have to write a script
[23:43] <BUGabundo> oh look
[23:43] <BUGabundo> both Ian_Corne AND kklimonda
[23:43] <BUGabundo> how are you buds?
[23:43] <kklimonda> o/ BUGabundo
[23:44] <Ian_Corne> good good
[23:44] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well, I'm still alive! that does count for something ;)
[23:46] <BUGabundo> ofc
[23:46] <BUGabundo> what have you been up to?
[23:46] <BUGabundo> we haven't chatted in a long long time :(