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| phizz | anyone know if the new house came on tonight? | 08:08 |
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| pingbat | hi all, is this a good place to report a potential problem in ubuntu 10.10 ? | 11:05 |
| Hobbsee | !bug | 11:06 |
| ubottu | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/ IRC is not a good medium to report bugs and this channel is for development coordination. | 11:06 |
| directhex | and nobody will remember any bugs you type here in about 5 minutes' time | 11:08 |
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| pingbat | heh | 11:12 |
| pingbat | well in that case i'll file the bug | 11:15 |
| pingbat | in the meantime would anyone be in a position to try and reproduce the bug? | 11:15 |
| pingbat | you'll need a FT2232D based debugger | 11:16 |
| pingbat | JTAG | 11:16 |
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| hyperair | say, is there any way i can find an ical link for the natty release schedule? | 12:52 |
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| ari-tczew | hyperair: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule | 12:56 |
| hyperair | ari-tczew: it's just a listing. i want something i can feed my calendar | 12:57 |
| ari-tczew | then dunno | 12:58 |
| mok0 | hyperair: should be rather easy to generate one using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule?action=raw | 12:58 |
| hyperair | mok0: but i'm not familiar enough with the ical format. heh | 13:00 |
| hyperair | mok0: googling for ical ubuntu release schedule seems to show that hardy had it | 13:00 |
| * hyperair brb | 13:00 | |
| mok0 | hyperair: it's quite straightforward IIRC | 13:01 |
| mok0 | http://reefknot.sourceforge.net/bootstrap-guide/indexs05.html | 13:01 |
| mok0 | That example covers your needs :-) | 13:01 |
| mok0 | hyperair: actually, it's called the .ics format | 13:04 |
| mok0 | hyperair: there's even packaged a python module for it: python-vobject | 13:07 |
| soren | It's dreadful. | 13:08 |
| mok0 | soren: what is? | 13:08 |
| soren | python-vobject. | 13:08 |
| mok0 | soren: ah :-) | 13:08 |
| soren | and the format. | 13:08 |
| mok0 | soren: ... I tend to agree... but it's the standard we have to work with | 13:08 |
| soren | I've used it a couple of times, and each time I lose a bit of faith in humanity. | 13:08 |
| soren | mok0: True. | 13:09 |
| mok0 | soren, perhaps you like this better? http://xml.coverpages.org/iCal.html | 13:10 |
| slangasek | SpamapS: oh, hmm. I wonder if that's a bug? | 14:07 |
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| slangasek | SpamapS: hmmm. Isn't portmap-wait redundant? statd only starts when 'started portmap' is emitted | 15:10 |
| slangasek | SpamapS: (only noticed this while trying to fix up idmapd in the same way as statd) | 15:11 |
| bjf | StevenK, which room are you hanging out in? sconklin and i have a question | 15:37 |
| StevenK | bjf: I'll come down | 15:38 |
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| ogra | cjwatson, do you know what is the reason that tools like fdisk by default still run in DOS compatibility mode ? | 15:48 |
| * ogra thinks we should default to having switched it off | 15:49 | |
| SpamapS | slangasek: statd also starts when mouting TYPE=nfs is emitted, which may be well before portmap started. | 15:50 |
| SpamapS | mounting rather | 15:50 |
| slangasek | SpamapS: ahhh yes | 15:51 |
| slangasek | SpamapS: thanks for the refresher :) | 15:51 |
| SpamapS | slangasek: if I didn't already have a headache from a night of reveling w/ the server team, I'd have one now because I have to think about it again. | 15:52 |
| slangasek | SpamapS: maybe that means there's a missing comment ;) | 15:53 |
| cjwatson | ogra: upstream | 15:57 |
| cjwatson | ogra: I mean, I don't know for sure, I imagine it's general conservatism | 15:58 |
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| superm1 | cjwatson, were you aware of console-setup install problems affecting buildd's on natty? eg: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62089492/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.mythtv_2:0.24.0%2Bfixes.20110112.2394a9d-0ubuntu0mythbuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz I'm not noticing them at all on a home sbuild with a natty schroot though. | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | superm1: not previously ... | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | the message is from kbd | 16:24 |
| cjwatson | hard to say whether those errors are fatal though | 16:25 |
| cjwatson | five of them clearly weren't, so was the sixth? hard to say :) | 16:25 |
| Laney | Sorry to prod but could someone in -sru please review/accept the pristine-tar SRU in m/UNAPPROVED? The version in release doesn't work so well with the -proposed tar | 16:26 |
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| superm1 | cjwatson, are those errors from fgconsole leaking through maybe because of a redirected fd for stderr when running in debconf? | 16:47 |
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| kirkland | siretart: ping | 17:09 |
| pitti | cjwatson: FTR, current live cd build failure got fixed this morning | 17:11 |
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| Riddell | bdrung: ping | 17:33 |
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| ogra | StevenK, where are you hiding ? | 18:13 |
| StevenK | ogra: Elsewhere | 18:16 |
| ogra | StevenK, how much beer does it take to get ti-omap4-software-channel out of NEW ? | 18:16 |
| StevenK | ogra: More you have access to? | 18:24 |
| ogra | ^dunno, there might be multiple barrels in the bar :) | 18:24 |
| StevenK | s/\(have\) \(access\)/\1 easy \2/ | 18:25 |
| doko | mvo: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62083003/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.aptitude_0.6.3-3.2ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 18:53 |
| bdrung | Riddell: pong | 18:58 |
| Riddell | bdrung: I was doing bug 702493 | 19:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 702493 in phonon-backend-vlc (Ubuntu) "amarok crashes on quit when using vlc backend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702493 | 19:01 |
| Riddell | but it doesn't seem to help for me so I'm not going to upload for now | 19:01 |
| Riddell | bdrung: correction, it does work, so I'll upload to natty and maverick shortly | 19:18 |
| bdrung | Riddell: patch against phonon-backend-vlc or vlc? | 19:32 |
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| Riddell | bdrung: vlc | 20:00 |
| bdrung | Riddell: please wait with the sru, because we want to release another security fix | 20:01 |
| bdrung | tumbleweed: around? | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | apw: ping, I understand you added the bit where the kernel commandline is given to upstart in its environment? | 20:29 |
| dragorn | I'm trying to make a deb, on one ubuntu64 system with dpkg 1.15.5.6u2 all works as expected, on another ubuntu-server32 install with 1.15.8.4ubuntu1, it goes 'funny': on the funny system, dpkg -i foo.deb skips all the db_input questions and assumes the defaults, but dpkg-reconfigure works as expected. Any thoughts as to why the hell it skips during install? (and I did --purge and confirmed with debconfig-show that the questions are | 20:43 |
| dragorn | not in the database) | 20:43 |
| dapal | dragorn: dpkg-reconfigure debconf, you should notice different values for "Ignore questions with priority less than: [..]" | 20:44 |
| dragorn | dapal: Argh! That's it. Thanks, I've been banging my head against that all day. Ubuntu isn't my standard distro, didn't know that one. | 20:46 |
| dapal | dragorn: (I use Debian, heh :D) | 20:46 |
| dragorn | dapal: I'm usually a gentoo guy, but I've got enough people wanting ubuntu packages that I'm making the effort... for whatever reason, ubuntu has been packaging my stuff from 2007 and not updating. | 20:47 |
| dapal | dragorn: ow :/. Good luck then :) | 20:47 |
| dragorn | dapal: This was the last hurdle | 20:47 |
| dragorn | dapal: actually got it all behaving, complete with prompting the user to set up capabilities and suid behaviors, just had one system that defaulted one level lower apparently. | 20:48 |
| dragorn | dapal: Yup, that solved it. Thanks a ton, that sucked. | 20:50 |
| dapal | dragorn: you're welcome :) | 20:51 |
| doko | zul: irqbalance ftbfs, missing b-d on quilt? | 20:53 |
| zul | doko: thanks ill look at it | 20:53 |
| doko | zul: lp should have sent an email about that | 20:53 |
| zul | doko: i might not have seen it | 20:53 |
| Riddell | bdrung: bug 668671 has debdiff attached, please upload when you do the vlc update | 21:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 668671 in phonon-backend-vlc (Ubuntu) "Amarok crashes with phonon-vlc backend " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/668671 | 21:07 |
| doko | ScottK, Riddell: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62146624/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.poppler_0.14.5-0ubuntu3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 21:26 |
| doko | rebuilt with gcc-4.6, could you add the missing include in the qt3 header file(s)? | 21:27 |
| Riddell | doko: why do we still build libpoppler-qt2 ? | 21:28 |
| Riddell | doko: no rdepends, probably we should just drop libpoppler-qt2 | 21:29 |
| doko | Riddell: ENOCLUE. it's still in main. demote it? | 21:29 |
| doko | here's another qt3 issue: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/62153402/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.scribus_1.3.3.13.dfsg~svn20081228-2ubuntu4_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 21:31 |
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| Riddell | doko: is everything qt3 going to fail because of that? | 21:34 |
| doko | Riddell: looks like so. unixodbc too. but again, this is gcc-4.6. although it would be nice to fix the headers, to look for further g++ related errors in these packages. mvo already fixed apt & libsigc++ headers | 21:39 |
| doko | or wvstreams | 21:40 |
| geser | gcc-4.6 is for natty+1? | 21:44 |
| doko | geser: evaluating ... | 21:45 |
| lifeless | bryceh_: we need the oops code ;) | 21:59 |
| bryceh_ | lifeless, too late. I manually duped it. | 22:15 |
| lifeless | bryceh_: in future, *always* give us the oops please | 22:16 |
| lifeless | bryceh_: otherwise we can't tell if its the same cause or a new one etc | 22:17 |
| geser | StevenK: can you promote gir1.2-gssdp-1.0 to main please? it's the successor of gir1.0-gssdp-1.0 which was in main. (or should I file a bug for it?) | 22:29 |
| tgardner | ev, no joy. still crashes. Is there anything else you like to see? | 22:32 |
| StevenK | geser: And source, or just 4 binaries? | 22:32 |
| ev | tgardner: can you stick a set -x in the top of /usr/lib/ubiquity/user-setup/user-setup-apply, then run through it again and stick /var/log/syslog on pastebin? | 22:33 |
| geser | StevenK: the source (gssdp) is already in main, one binary package got renamed (gir1.0-* → gir1.2-* transition) but it got put into universe instead of main (where gupnp is in DEPWAIT on it) | 22:34 |
| StevenK | geser: Confirmed, and promoted. | 22:35 |
| geser | thanks | 22:35 |
| tgardner | ev, I do have a couple of kernel oops in the filesystem. that can't be a good thing. | 22:36 |
| ev | heh | 22:36 |
| tgardner | ev, lemme start it over and make sure I've a clean disk. | 22:36 |
| ev | okay | 22:36 |
| EtienneG | guys, just checking | 22:43 |
| EtienneG | is it forbidden by policy for a maintainer script to change a conffile permission? | 22:43 |
| SpamapS | EtienneG: IIRC maintainer scripts shouldn't touch conffiles unless it is removing an obsoleted conffile (one that is not in the newly installed version of the package) | 22:45 |
| soren | And even then, only if it's unmodified. | 22:46 |
| EtienneG | SpamapS, so an unconditional chmod in a postinst would be against policy? | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | right, I keep wondering why that logic only exists in a copy/paste snippet in a wiki | 22:46 |
| soren | I'm not sure policy specifically says so, but it would be against the spirit of it. | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | EtienneG: yeah I'd think so.. the user may have set the permissions a certain way for a reason. | 22:47 |
| EtienneG | because, if that's the case, then bug #697792 is indeed valid | 22:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 697792 in fuse (Ubuntu) "permissions of /etc/fuse.conf are reset on upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/697792 | 22:47 |
| EtienneG | I have been reading the policy, but it does not talk about file attributes (like permission), only the content | 22:47 |
| EtienneG | nonetheless, gratuitous chmod of conffile should be avoided, I guess | 22:48 |
| soren | EtienneG: "local changes must be preserved during a package upgrade, and" | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | EtienneG: I would think that the proper place to do that chmod is in the package build, not maintainer scripts. | 22:49 |
| soren | EtienneG: It doesn' really say contents or metadata. | 22:49 |
| EtienneG | indeed | 22:49 |
| soren | EtienneG: What are you trying to do? | 22:49 |
| soren | Let's attack it that way. | 22:49 |
| EtienneG | soren, see above cited bug | 22:50 |
| soren | Oh. | 22:50 |
| * soren pays attention | 22:50 | |
| EtienneG | but generally, I agree with the both of you, I just wanted to clarify with people more knowledgeable than me | 22:50 |
| SpamapS | That file doesn't seem to be in the package | 22:52 |
| SpamapS | oh ait, it is | 22:53 |
| SpamapS | yeah the appropriate place is in the package | 22:53 |
| SpamapS | EtienneG: marked as confirmed | 22:54 |
| * SpamapS heads to meeting | 22:54 | |
| EtienneG | SpamapS, thanks a bunch | 22:56 |
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