[01:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Cloud Packaging, CD Download Page Bling, Texas Weather, Choqok Message Indicator - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4374
[01:29] <lalilililili> @seek yeats
[01:30] <lalilililili> whoops :3
[05:28] <lazarus_> http://img141.imageshack.us/i/screenshotzn.png/
[07:27] <Myrtti> moin
[07:48] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:33] <DJones> Morning
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> howdy
[09:04] <BigRedS> G'morning!
[09:10] <Myrtti> how appropriate. BigRedS' nick is actually red in my irssi.
[09:12] <BigRedS> Ah, but is it big?
[09:13] <Myrtti> fairly so, it's in bold
[09:14] <DJones> Its sort of pinkish on mine
[09:15] <czajkowski> AlanBell: which train do I get again ?
[09:16] <Myrtti> brainlapse of the morning is that I considered cutpasting a piece of the log to show it's red and big. took about a minute while drinking coffee to realise the colors won't stick to the log excerpt :-D
[09:16] <DJones> screenshot + imagebin would work
[09:16] <Myrtti> sure
[09:16] <czajkowski> Myrtti: morning!
[09:17] <BigRedS> haha
[09:17] <Myrtti> czajkowski: ohai
[09:17] <Laney> does RB import to ~/Music/ by default?
[09:18] <Myrtti> I don't know if the problem is with the water or with the coffee or the coffee machine but ohmy the coffee is horrible, so I blame the coffee for lack of brain
[09:18] <BigRedS> Laney: Always has wanted to for me
[09:18] <czajkowski> right to London I go
[09:18] <Laney> ty
[09:18] <DJones> Are you back in the UK Myrtti
[09:19] <Creaky-Bore> ok folks, here one for anybody... PulseAudio how can you set priority on connected hardware? For example, if a USB microphone is connected use that automatically in preference to inbuilt hardware? Cant find anything on the Sound panel to allow this...
[09:19] <Myrtti> DJones: Berlin atm
[09:23] <AlanBell> czajkowski 10:04
[09:23] <BigRedS> Should be an easy enough time to remember...
[09:25] <DJones> Heh, I can just see her going to the station and asking for a ticket on the Lucid Lynx to London :)
[09:27] <AlanBell> I can see her catching the earlier one that doesn't stop at clapham
[09:41] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:42] <kvarley> lo
[09:48] <popey> MORNING!
[09:48] <screen-x> shh popey
[09:48] <bigcalm> Good morning!
[09:48] <Myrtti> moar coffee
[09:48] <bigcalm> Myrtti: !!
[09:49] <popey> happy happy joy joy
[09:49] <popey> I am in an annoyingly good mood today
[09:50] <popey> be warned
[09:50] <bigcalm> Run and hide
[09:50] <bigcalm> popey: it's good to be happy
[09:50] <bigcalm> popey: what happened?
[09:53] <popey> bigcalm: lots of personal stuff
[09:53] <bigcalm> Fair do
[09:53] <bigcalm> Spread a little joy :)
[09:55] <popey> also!
[09:55] <popey> I have a project at work to write something, and I am going to use python
[09:55] <popey> where everyone else uses bash
[09:55] <bigcalm> Ooooo
[09:55] <screen-x> hisssssss
[09:56] <bigcalm> I sadly do so in PHP these days
[09:56] <directhex> you should use erlang.
[09:56] <Myrtti> popey: I can balance it out by being grumpy
[09:57] <Myrtti> that seems to be my default mode of existance nowadays
[09:57] <Myrtti> so it requires no extra effort
[09:57] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I am very happy to see you back on IRC *hugs* (hope this makes you a little less grumpy)
[09:57] <screen-x> any idea which raid card this is? http://paste.ubuntu.com/553540/
[09:57] <screen-x> I need to download the proprietary monitoring thing, but that requires knowing which model it is.
[09:58] <Myrtti> bigcalm: I've never really gone away, I just pick and choose the channels I deem to not make me grumpier
[09:58] <Myrtti> today the preconception is that -uk might fit the bill
[09:58] <bigcalm> This is a happy channel where everybody is nice to everybody else
[09:59]  * popey hugs Myrtti 
[09:59] <DJones> bigcalm: You make it sound like Cheers
[10:00] <bigcalm> DJones: I like to go where everybody knows ones name
[10:01] <screen-x> got it, it's a 5445.
[10:01] <bigcalm> Now I'm imagining an episode of Cheers where the cast are replaced by members of the royal family
[10:02] <AlanBell> choo choo
[10:02] <screen-x> off up to london AlanBell?
[10:03] <bigcalm> Ok, today is off to a mad start. AlanBell thinks that he is a train
[10:03] <screen-x> bigcalm: he has been fraternising with poultry.
[10:04] <BigRedS> Is that legal?
[10:04] <screen-x> not like that BigRedS :p
[10:04] <BigRedS> Ah, good :) haha
[10:06] <AlanBell> no czajkowski at the station
[10:07] <bigcalm> Maybe she went home to tidy up
[10:34] <danfish> morning all
[10:34] <danfish> anyone using geany for editing?
[10:35] <danfish> for some reason it's shoving tabs instead of spaces into my python code :(
[10:37] <Myrtti> I use it occasionally when I'm bored with my pink emacs
[10:38] <Myrtti> danfish: you've changed the intendation type in the settings and it's not doing it the way you want?
[10:44] <danfish> Myrtti: yep - keeps on 'tabbing' still
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> I love the future: http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2011/01/new-look-for-google-translate-for.html
[10:47] <Myrtti> danfish: :-/ is there a bug filed about it yet?
[10:47] <danfish> there will be :)
[12:04] <screen-x> popey: http://paste.ubuntu-uk.org/ --> "Unable to connect to database"
[12:04] <popey> http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/
[12:04] <popey> it has never been paste.ubuntu-uk.org
[12:07] <screen-x> oh, memory fail
[12:08] <screen-x> I'm looking for libstdc++.so.5, can't find it with apt-file or apt-cache (http://paste.ubuntu.com/553569/) Where should I look next?
[12:08] <dutchie> packages.ubuntu.com?
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> yikes
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> that's old
[12:09] <screen-x> yeah :(
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> why are you looking for it?
[12:09] <directhex> comes from g++ 3.3
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> you found a tablet from the late stone age?
[12:10] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: see paste, required for a proprietary hw raid monitor.
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: maybe in the old (6.06?) repos?
[12:10] <directhex> you need libstdc++5
[12:10] <directhex> package name
[12:10] <directhex> it's in universe
[12:11] <screen-x> directhex: thanks
[12:12] <directhex> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/libstdc++5
[12:13] <screen-x> how strange, it isn't in lucid.
[12:13] <directhex> lucid-backports
[12:16] <screen-x> yay, package from backports did the trick, thanks :)
[12:16] <screen-x> odd to have to go to a new release to get a really old lib!
[12:47] <Guest70853> Hello
[12:57] <fr0styy> .
[12:57] <screen-x>                                         |
[12:58] <fr0styy> Testing ...1...2...3
[12:59] <screen-x> fr0styy: I thought you were starting a game of irc pong http://www.bash.org/?9322
[13:00] <fr0styy> screen-x: You must be mistaken buddy ^^
[13:01] <fr0styy> screen-x:Though it looks like fun :O
[13:12] <fr0styy> Immagine actually hearing the conversation? http://www.bash.org/?99835
[13:13] <screen-x> fr0styy: apologies if I have destroyed your afternoon, with a link to bash.org...
[13:14] <fr0styy> huh? no way, i just found another funny one :P
[13:23] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[13:58] <aquarius> AlanBell, ping :)
[13:58] <popey> :)
[14:05] <krimzon2> is there a convenient way to manage which users belong to which groups on the command line?
[14:05] <popey> yes
[14:05] <popey> vi /etc/group
[14:05] <popey> :)
[14:06] <screen-x> alt-middle click resizes windows without having to grab a 1px border \o/
[14:06] <screen-x> shame most track pads don't have middle buttons..
[14:07] <dutchie> popey: :o vigrp surely
[14:07] <dutchie> vigr*
[14:07] <krimzon2> no "list_groups_user_is_in", "add_user_to_group", "remove_user_from_group" type stuff?
[14:08] <screen-x> krimzon2: read the man page for addgroup, it has some other useful commands under see also.
[14:09] <krimzon2> ahh, i see
[14:12] <cps> Afternoon :)
[14:13] <brobostigon> afternoonings cps :)
[14:13] <cps> I got a new thinkpad to replace the loose gpu one :)
[14:14] <brobostigon> :)
[14:14] <cps> amazon were very speedy in dealing with the case
[14:14] <gord> oh dear, loose gpu?
[14:14] <cps> gord, widely known in the thinkpad community
[14:14] <cps> I was unfortunate enough to get one with a loose gpu :(
[14:15] <cps> but I sent that one back and got another one :)
[14:15] <screen-x> seems to be a prob with [XT]4. models.
[14:15]  * cps loves the little keyboard light at the top of the screen :p
[14:26]  * awilkins needs to chill out before his head explodes
[14:29] <X3N> it's actually surprisingly useful cps ;)
[14:30] <cps> ergh
[14:30] <cps> couple of panel applets just segfaulted
[14:30] <cps> I didn't know panel applets can segfault anyway
[14:32]  * danfish is doing a wart clinic today so directs some liquid nitrogen at awilkins's head
[14:32] <freckle> Just had a conversation with the people who look after the systems the office people use... they are looking at Ubuntu virtualisation.. woohoo
[14:32] <freckle> well they are lookiing at it after I told them they could do it
[14:33]  * cps has defected to fedora
[14:33] <ali1234> are they looking at it like it's "all covered with ants?"
[14:35] <popey> cps: how is that working out
[14:35] <cps> popey, excellent at the moment
[14:36] <popey> what made you switch?
[14:36] <cps> just felt I needed to try something new
[14:36] <cps> somehow I feel fedora's better than ubuntu
[14:37] <KrisDouglas> cps: it always feels unfinished for me
[14:37] <ali1234> i have to agree
[14:37] <ali1234> last time i tried fedora the package manager was broken immediately after install
[14:37] <popey> i haven't tried it for years
[14:38] <ali1234> i consider fedora to be the red hat equivalent of ubuntu+1
[14:38] <KrisDouglas> yeah
[14:38] <bigcalm> With dd-wrt, how do you nail a device to an ip address?
[14:38] <ali1234> then, if i want a rpm based distro that actually works, i use centos
[14:38] <KrisDouglas> I quite like cent
[14:38] <danfish> bigcalm: define 'nail'
[14:39] <cps> danfish, I think m
[14:39] <cps> oops
[14:39] <KrisDouglas> danfish: he means static IP i believe
[14:39] <X3N> I tried fedora 14, but I missed debs and lots of the "it just works" elements of ubuntu
[14:39] <cps> KrisDouglas, yes
[14:39] <bigcalm> danfish: I want to ensure that certain devices always get the same address from dhcp
[14:39] <cps> err...
[14:39] <danfish> ok - you can assign static ips based on MAC address
[14:40] <KrisDouglas> bigcalm: You can also fix the IP on the clientside in the networking config
[14:40] <bigcalm> With other routers I've used, they will list the attached devices and allow you to stick them there
[14:40] <ali1234> http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Static_DHCP
[14:40] <bigcalm> KrisDouglas: I'd rather do it from one location than on many devices
[14:40] <bigcalm> ali1234: ta
[14:41] <ali1234> yes, static config on each device sucks
[14:41] <bigcalm> Ah, so you need two windows open, one with the list of mac addresses, the other to set up the leases
[14:41] <bigcalm> Slightly irritating
[14:42] <cps> lol
[14:42] <ali1234> yeah irritating if you use some rubbish window manager like unity, gnome-shell, or os x
[14:42] <cps> os x != window manager
[14:43] <popey> i suspect you know what ali1234 means by that
[14:43] <ali1234> does the os x window manager even have a name?
[14:43] <brobostigon> netiher is gnome-shell a WM, its mutter.
[14:43] <ali1234> unity isn't either
[14:44] <ali1234> LOL I TROLL U ALL
[14:44] <ali1234> nobody even claimed that unity isn't rubbish :'(
[14:44] <cps> unity looks rubbish to me
[14:44] <bigcalm> Unity needs time and development. Right now it is not useable
[14:45] <gord> unity is currently in alpha
[14:45] <gord> that means its no where near finished
[14:46] <DJones> I thought beta was considered to be "nowhere near finished", with alpha being broken, occasionally working
[14:46] <cps> +`
[14:46] <cps> +1*
[14:46] <cps> alpha software just works when it wants to work, really
[14:46] <ali1234> alpha, beta, rc... it all means different things to different people
[14:46] <gord> beta is "lets find bugs", alpha "lets actually finish this thing"
[14:46] <gord> in terms of ubuntu
[14:47] <ali1234> beta is usually supposed to be feature complete
[14:48] <dutchie> daubers: bank problems? :(
[14:50] <cps> oh lawd
[14:50] <cps> apparently a new fake antivirus was made in october last year
[14:50] <cps> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThinkPoint
[14:53] <popey> there's loads of them
[14:53] <Myrtti> is installing Adobe Air to 64-bit ubuntu really as hard as Adobe claims it is?
[14:55] <jpds> Myrtti: http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobeair/
[14:55] <jpds> Myrtti: No.
[14:55] <popey> i see no 64-bit version there
[14:56] <bigcalm> That's irrirtating. All of the static leases are empty
[14:56] <jpds> She asked how about installing Adobe Air to 64-bit Ubuntu.
[14:57]  * popey picks up jpds and puts him in #pedant
[14:58] <Myrtti> "thanks"
[14:59] <jpds> Myrtti: "Bitte".
[15:00] <directhex> use the .run
[15:00] <directhex> should work
[15:03] <Myrtti> I suppose I'll do that then.
[15:08] <cps> hey tuxxy :)
[15:14] <Myrtti> right. Well I'm not installing Air, it seems.
[15:15] <Myrtti> ho-hum.
[15:15] <Myrtti> segmentation fault  ./AdobeAIRInstaller.bin
[15:15] <BigRedS> I don't think I've ever felt the need for Air. what does it do?
[15:15] <popey> nothing useful I have discovered
[15:15] <BigRedS> I keep seeing mention of it's badness...
[15:15] <jpds> BigRedS: Keeps you alive?
[15:15] <Myrtti> tweetdeck and old seesmic desktop
[15:15] <KrisDouglas> Does anyone have any idea about why a XenServer would not have passed through the NX bit to an Ubuntu host?
[15:15] <BigRedS> No, that's air. Tsk. Case-insensitive jpds...
[15:16] <diplo> Myrtti, they have a Chrome web app now for TweetDeck ?
[15:16] <Myrtti> *sigh* I suppose I should try that too
[15:16] <Myrtti> oh well.
[15:17] <diplo> http://www.tweetdeck.com/chrome/
[15:17] <Myrtti> back to studying QML
[15:30] <Myrtti> mwahaha. --force-architecture.
[15:31] <popey> :)
[16:38] <moonraker> hello
[16:39] <Myrtti> I'm really getting hyped about this Qt lark
[16:47] <daubers> dutchie: Yup! Went to the bank to discuss stuff, had a person sit there and relay everything I said to someone else on the other end of the phone. Waste. of. time
[16:47] <dutchie> wow
[16:47] <dutchie> this is pretty bad
[16:48] <daubers> Indeed. Started the process of changing banks already
[16:49] <Myrtti> I personally can't understand what prevents a bank from doing a reservation of a money transfer to abroad to a EU/ETA country outside office hours...
[16:50] <Myrtti> on web banking
[16:51] <Myrtti> I had to pay the rent for this Berlin apartment from my account because Finnish banks can do such reservations, and they do the computer runs on sun-mo to thu-fri nights, no matter if it's a bank holiday or not, unlike HSBC
[16:51] <daubers> Myrtti: Nothing. They just like to make things more difficult so you end up having to pay them more in charges and what not
[16:52] <Myrtti> I can somewhat understand why HSBC charges £9 for transferring money to an EU/ETA country, but I don't understand the time restriction
[16:53] <Myrtti> (my bank charges nothing, but that's because Finland is an EU/ETA country itself, I suspect)
[16:53] <Myrtti> or euro country rather
[16:53] <Myrtti> (or SEPA)
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> Euro countries \o/
[16:57] <Myrtti> oh bother, it's raining something outside :-(
[17:01] <BigRedS> Myrtti: as I understand it, it's because banks like to know what's happening in advance, and there's no real pressure for them to do things quicker
[18:25] <jacobw> evening
[18:26] <brobostigon> evening jacobw
[18:46] <filo1234> hi all i have got a curiosity...when i leave a message on login screen, "leave a message" ...this message whre is stored?
[19:12] <shauno> filo1234: it doesn't look like it is stored.  it just passes it straight to libnotify, which creates the message on your desktop.  but sets it to not expire, so it's still there waiting when you get back
[19:12] <filo1234> where are storeds gnome-screensaver-dialog messages?
[19:13] <filo1234> shauno: it passed to libnotify only when i make login? or there is some tmp file where is stored?
[19:13] <shauno> it looks like it's passed as soon as the note is left
[19:14] <shauno> so it opens up the notification on your desktop there and then.  you just can't see it because the screensaver is still in the way
[19:14] <filo1234> shauno: sure but maybe is possible o see it from tty console?
[19:14] <filo1234> to*
[19:16] <filo1234> shauno: i grepped my word on the message but i cannot find anything
[19:17] <shauno> I'm not sure.  I think it'd involve listening to dbus while the message is being sent from gnome-screensaver to the notification daemon  (eg, when they hit submit)
[19:18] <shauno> not sure how you'd do that, I've no idea how dbus works :)  just reading submit_note() in gs-lock-plug.c
[19:19] <filo1234> :) ok thanks a lot for attention :)
[19:21] <AlanBell> evening all
[19:22] <dogmatic69> sup
[19:22] <brobostigon> evening AlanBell
[19:23]  * AlanBell is sitting down with a rather tasty 17 year old
[19:23] <AlanBell> single malt
[19:24] <davmor2> AlanBell: I was about to say if it's a chicken don't eat it :P
[19:24] <brobostigon> yummy,
[19:25] <dogmatic69> lol
[19:31] <fr0styy> G'evening everyone! :)
[19:33] <dogmatic69> AlanBell: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/cc116e3b-970d-4bf9-9dca-80a238e8b77d.jpg
[19:33] <krle> hi
[19:34] <dogmatic69> o/
[19:34] <krle> not sure if i should ask here but would you guys know about compiz theme managers for debian
[19:34] <krle> considering ubuntu is so into compiz, figured i'd ask here
[19:35] <fr0styy> dogmatic69: Ok....that was too cool lol
[19:35] <dogmatic69> you missed the start :P
[19:35] <dogmatic69> [19:23]	* AlanBell	is sitting down with a rather tasty 17 year old
[19:35] <dogmatic69> [19:23]	<AlanBell>	single malt
[19:37] <fr0styy> Im not too familiar with compiz... anything specific that you’re looking for?
[19:38] <krle> just a good theme manager for debian lenny
[19:38] <krle> will ubuntu's emerald work?
[19:40] <krle> rather are all compiz themes ok to install irrespective of what WM you have i.e gnome or kde or xfce etc
[19:41] <brobostigon> krle: compiz is a WM, gnome kde etc are desktop environments.
[19:42] <krle> if it is
[19:42] <brobostigon> it is,
[19:42] <krle> then how come when im in gnome, i restart xorg and type in compiz --replace in the terminal and compiz loads but the terminal needs to stay on?
[19:42] <brobostigon> compiz metacity mutter etc,are window managers, kde gnome xfce etc and desktopenvironments.
[19:42] <krle> shouldnt the terminal just disappear if im ona  compliz WM?
[19:43] <fr0styy> Nothing would tell you better that to try it out! :D
[19:43] <fr0styy> What I've learned so far about debian-like systems, is that if something doesn't work, then there are always work-arounds in the case that you encounter an error. Just make sure that you back-up any critical data that you DO NOT want to lose onto an external source, and start experimenting.
[19:43] <fr0styy> Anyone agree with me?
[19:43] <shauno> if you close the terminal, you kill the shell that's the parent process to compiz.   compiz --replace & would let you close the shell
[19:43] <brobostigon> krle: youstarted an app, like anyother from terminal, so you need to keep thatterminal running, to keep thatapp running, a wm is anapp essentially, like anyother,
[19:44] <krle> but if compiz is like gnome, why doesnt gnome have a terminnal running in the bg unlike compiz
[19:44] <krle> i thought a WM meant you dont have to be running no terminal in the bg for it to run, it takes over the whole thing
[19:44] <brobostigon> krle: compiz is a wm, gnome is a de, they are verydifferent things.
[19:45] <krle> ah ok
[19:45] <shauno> it doesn't need a terminal.  it only needs it in the example you gave, because it was started from the terminal
[19:45] <fr0styy> but it is using a terminal in the background, isnt it? There are always 7 terminals open....alt f1,2,3,etc           Right?
[19:45]  * brobostigon goes for food, 
[19:45] <brobostigon> and booze, :)
[19:46] <fr0styy> stomach grouwls...
[19:48] <krle> nope not 7
[19:48] <krle> just one
[19:48] <shauno> krle: they can actually be disabled.  they're usually left running for safety's sake
[19:48] <krle> it initializes all the plugins and just sits there
[19:48] <krle> which is fine by me
[19:48] <krle> but if i cose the shell to get out of compiz, usually i lose borders
[19:48] <krle> and the windws kinda stick together
[19:48] <shauno> try running "compiz --replace &"
[19:49] <shauno> that'll detach compiz from the parent shell, so the terminal isn't needed anymore
[19:49] <krle> in which case  i have to alt+ctrl+backspace and relogin to have a plain gnome setting
[19:49] <krle> and my borders are back
[19:49] <krle> ok let me see
[19:50] <krle> wait
[19:50] <krle> you want me to run compiz --replace & instead of the usual compiz --replace?
[19:50] <shauno> yeah.  just & on the end of the regular comman
[20:04] <krle> sweet
[20:04] <krle> instead i like fusion-icon better
[20:04] <krle> :P
[20:04] <krle> just installed it
[20:04] <krle> alright sorry about the compiz stuff, good day
[20:33] <AlanBell> Azelphur: what processor do you have in your smokin' hot PC?
[20:33] <Azelphur> AlanBell: I7 950
[20:34] <Azelphur> http://game.azelphur.com/forum/building-computer#comment-589
[20:34] <AlanBell> thanks
[20:34] <Azelphur> it tears through wine gaming :D
[20:34] <Azelphur> TF2 all max, World of warcraft all max, no problem.
[20:34] <AlanBell> anyone got a Core I7 980X? handy?
[20:34] <Azelphur> still need to try some more games
[20:34] <Azelphur> haha
[20:35] <Azelphur> 980x is like 80% of my entire build budget
[20:35] <Azelphur> xD
[20:37] <AlanBell> quite bargainous hosting though http://www.hetzner.de/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-produktmatrix-eq
[20:38] <Azelphur> AlanBell: I've heard good things about them, they are great if you are ok with the setup fees and want hosting in germany
[20:38] <Azelphur> I pay through the roof because I need NYC hosting
[20:39] <AlanBell> yeah, we are using hetzner already for development and VMs for customers
[20:39] <Azelphur> :)
[20:39] <gord> Azelphur, pretty sure a computer from 3 years ago would play tf2/wow on all max ;)
[20:39] <Azelphur> gord: wine adds a little overhead
[20:40] <AlanBell> we took a copy of a customer's production site to a little dev VM on our core i7 920 server and it runs twice as fast as their production dual Xeon box
[20:40] <Azelphur> lol
[20:40] <Azelphur> http://game.azelphur.com/forum/low-down-new-server here's what I have :p
[20:40] <AlanBell> they want to move their production site to our dev box! I am thinking about getting a beast of a 980x for it to sit on
[20:41] <gord> AlanBell, y'know sandybridge is just coming out
[20:41] <Azelphur> dude sandy bridge
[20:41] <gord> friend tryed to grab one whilst we are here, but they are all sold out :'(
[20:41] <Azelphur> I got violated by sandy bridge - don't let the same happen to you
[20:41] <Azelphur> xD
[20:41] <screen-x> when installing grub, does "root" refer to where to the partition that contains /boot, or the root partition?
[20:41] <screen-x> and evening all :)
[20:42] <screen-x> oh dear, sentance construction fail
[20:42] <AlanBell> gord: good point, but it will be a while before they turn up in hosting options I think
[20:43] <gord> AlanBell, guess you can hardly complain with a 980x anyway :)
[20:44] <AlanBell> we are going to do some optimisation of the code (which is why it is on the dev box) but we have been surprised at the baseline performance improvement from just the processor
[20:44] <gord> yeah i7's are a huge improvement, even at similar clockspeeds to old cpus
[20:45] <AlanBell> ours is 2.8ghz and walks all over the Xeon 3.2Ghz
[20:46] <AlanBell> and they are paying three times as much as the hetzner i7 980x :)
[20:55] <daubers> evening
[20:57] <daubers> AlanBell: The new grade xeons are quite nice. We've had a couple in the office to play with
[20:58] <daubers> Really really want to get my hands on one of the 12 core AMD's and have a play, but the mobos are a bit pants
[21:05] <AlanBell> I don't think this needs lots of cores, just loads of crunchy power on one
[21:06] <andylockran> howdy all
[21:07] <fr0styy> Evening :D
[21:08] <daubers> I've been building a nice VM box, installing it in the DC on Tuesday
[21:09] <screen-x> mount
[21:10] <fr0styy> Theoretically speaking, is there a way in Linux to be a remote administrator of a network? Let's say: A way to debug, install, uninstall, and overall administer a home network from a computer at work?
[21:11] <daubers> fr0styy: Indeed, just need (for ease of use) a VPN
[21:11] <fr0styy> If there is, can someone link me to some documentation that would help me set it up?
[21:12] <AlanBell> fr0styy: install ssh-server on the home server and open up port 22 on your router
[21:12] <brobostigon> linux documentation project, and help.ubuntu.com/community are good starts,
[21:12] <AlanBell> then you can use ssh or putty to get to it from elsewhere
[21:12] <AlanBell> and install fail2ban as well and have decent passwords or even better use key authentication
[21:12] <bigcalm> I would suggest opening a different port than 22 on the router
[21:13] <bigcalm> Open a port higher than 1024 and have it forward to port 22 on the linux box has the ssh server
[21:13] <fr0styy> Because my parent's house's network always seems to be a mess. And we me being in london, and they being 1/2 way across the world, I was looking for a more practical solution :D
[21:13] <daubers> key based auth ftw \o/
[21:14] <daubers> fr0styy: They Linux or Windows based?
[21:15] <fr0styy> daubers: I was thinking of installing linux on their PCs to make it possible for me to administrate them. :)
[21:15] <daubers> fr0styy: There are windows alternative, such as teamviewer or logmein
[21:15] <daubers> those are cross platform
[21:16] <daubers> Non free though
[21:16] <brobostigon> vnc ?
[21:17] <fr0styy> daubers: I didnt expect there to be an easy "free' solution TBH. It was just a thought of making it my little side project. ^^
[21:17] <daubers> fr0styy: They are free as in beer, but not as in speech :)
[21:17] <daubers> fr0styy: If you throw together an openVPN box you could log onto their network and just use the windows RDP stuff or VNC
[21:17] <popey> evening
[21:18] <fr0styy> Evening!
[21:18] <brobostigon> evening popey
[21:18]  * popey builds chromeos
[21:19] <fr0styy> So in essence you would recomend I research into ceating an openVPN box? right daubers?
[21:19] <fr0styy> recommend* :S
[21:20] <popey> fr0styy: i remotely admin my mums machine from anywhere
[21:20] <popey> I just use ssh
[21:20] <popey> no vpn
[21:20] <daubers> popey: He's got potential windows machines involved
[21:20] <daubers> vnc over ssh is a pig to get working right
[21:20] <popey> no, it isnt
[21:20] <popey> at all
[21:20] <popey> it is insanely easy
[21:21] <daubers> I've never had it working well enough to be useful
[21:21] <fr0styy> However, do keep in mind that I could just hook them up with a linux solution to set in straight from the beginning :)
[21:21] <popey> vncviewer <remoteip> -via <host_you_have_an_ssh_key_for>
[21:21] <popey> job done
[21:21] <popey> where those two variables are the same at my mums house
[21:23] <fr0styy> Seems like it's ssh then. Gona have to do some reading before hand so that I don't mess it up though. :)
[21:25] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/mum.png
[21:25] <popey> ^^ I typed "vncviewer -via mum_mums_external_ip localhost"
[21:26] <popey> got that window instantly :)
[21:26] <mattt> am i missing something ... where's the fosdem speaker schedule posted?
[21:27] <brobostigon> popey: thats a good thought, abviating chrome to internetand openoffice writer to word processor,
[21:28] <popey> heh, forgot I did that :)
[21:28]  * brobostigon decides tomake that change onhis mums mumbuntu machine,
[21:29] <fr0styy> I want to be able to administer my Mum's PC when she has problems. Not experienced at all, but when I want to do something I get it done. :D
[21:29] <fr0styy> I'll be sure to ask you popey on how to do it, when I go around their's in a few weeks. :)
[21:29] <popey> :)
[21:30] <brobostigon> fr0styy: i use a combination of ssh and vnc, and then use an ipv6 addr, to make it easy to ssh to.
[21:30] <popey> i use dyndns.org to make it easy to ssh to
[21:30] <popey> nice easy hostname
[21:31] <brobostigon> popey: i remember watching a presentation you made i think lastyear, about that setup.
[21:35] <fr0styy> What kind of material should I read if I want to learn more about remote administration?
[21:35] <bigcalm> Some domain registers (with dns hosting) offer dynamic pointing. One of the things I like about joker.com :)
[21:35] <bigcalm> fr0styy: read up on using the CLI
[21:35] <brobostigon> fr0styy: i would start with linux doc project and help.ubuntu.com/community
[21:35] <bigcalm> Try using your own machine without a GUI for a while :)
[21:36] <fr0styy> I'd like to be able to do that :)
[21:37] <bigcalm> Or, if you have a spare machine, try using that without a GUI from your main machine
[21:37] <brobostigon> fr0styy: iam sure we canteach eachother, :)
[21:41] <daubers> fr0styy: Popeys talk http://blip.tv/file/3668964/
[21:43] <fr0styy> Was popey using a wii remote as the pointer? :O
[21:44] <brobostigon> yes.
[21:44] <AlanBell> I have a wiimote whiteboard pen, it is great fun
[21:45] <fr0styy> Wow, what a great use for it. :)
[21:47] <AlanBell> !info gtkwhiteboard
[21:48] <AlanBell> install that, pair it with bluetooth, point wiimote at screen and use an IR pen
[21:48] <brobostigon> cool. :)
[21:49] <AlanBell> we did art http://twitpic.com/1kbp3a
[21:50] <brobostigon> :) very abstract.
[21:57] <dutchie> that was fun :)
[21:57]  * dutchie can't wait for oggcamp 11 (cough cough cough popey)
[22:02] <danfish> fr0styy: have a look at gitso - is windows and linux - vnc based remaote admin made easy
[22:02] <danfish> http://code.google.com/p/gitso/
[22:03]  * daubers is pondering converting his revo to an openVPN box
[22:03] <daubers> Might throw together a basic frontend for the process
[22:07] <fr0styy> That was an informative speech, where was this at?
[22:07] <daubers> fr0styy: Oggcamp 10
[22:08] <fr0styy> What's Oggcamp?
[22:08] <daubers> !oggcamp
[22:08] <daubers> How can the bot not know about oggcamp?
[22:08] <daubers> http://www.oggcamp.org
[22:10] <Laney> you can teach it with !learn oggcamp is ...
[22:10] <bigcalm> Must have been on the 2nd day as I don't remember there being a wiimote
[22:20] <fr0styy> I wish I came by this 4 years ago, would have been nice to go to an event like this. :P
[22:20] <daubers> I'm trying to convince work to let me potter up to the Open Source Expo
[22:20] <daubers> fr0styy: Hopefully it'll happen again
[22:21] <daubers> Though this year there needs to be a cake competition
[22:21] <fr0styy> Yea, but ill be leaving you guys soon :(
[22:21] <AlanBell> daubers: it is the same thing as http://www.cloudexpoeurope.com/
[22:22] <daubers> I shall pack my cake spoon http://tinyurl.com/4z46b6f
[22:24] <daubers> AlanBell: Hmmm.... we're not a very cloudy company. Be more interested in the OSE conference stuff tbh
[22:24] <daubers> The registration form is rubbish too
[22:25] <Azelphur> on my phone on 3g I'm getting 23kbps down and 3750kbps up...wat?
[22:25] <daubers> "Decision making power" I don't recommend stuff! I design the damn things
[22:26] <exobuzz> well. sandy bridge i5-2500k using built in graphics working well with maverick..
[22:27] <exobuzz> with some updates from xorg-edgers ppa and a compiz tweak
[22:27] <exobuzz> i thought it would be more trouble that it was.
[22:29] <popey> fr0styy: there might be another oggcamp this year
[22:29] <daubers> \o/
[22:30] <fr0styy> Im leaving england for good in exactly 2 weeks from now, I dont think I would make it to the next one TBH. :(
[22:30] <daubers> fr0styy: Where you off?
[22:30] <fr0styy> Ummm....A bit of globe trotting :S
[22:31] <daubers> I see
[22:31] <gord> leaving england is overrated
[22:32] <fr0styy> That is, until I can find a new 'base of operation'. It seems like it is going to be Germany at the moment, but who really knows. :)
[22:32] <fr0styy> Overrated how?
[22:35]  * fr0styy is watching Newsnight.
[22:35]  * daubers heads to bed
[22:36]  * fr0styy thinks its a good idea :O
[22:37] <fr0styy> G'night everyone! :D
[22:59] <hamitron> :)
[23:23] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.