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jacobBiosElement gilbert: sorry for missing, I had work until 6:45 today :/00:19
dmcgloneHi Unit19300:31
dmcglonewhats up?00:31
dmcgloneDid I miss the meeting?00:36
jacobdmcglone: has not started yet -- 8pm :)00:36
dmcgloneAh thanks :-)00:36
dmcgloneUnit193 did you fall asleep?00:36
dmcglonenocash: about to rob the room? won't get much, we're all broke.. ;-)00:38
nocashcharge it!00:39
dmcglonelol00:40
nocashjust b00:41
spweltonhey all, heard there's a meeting in a few00:54
jacobyou heard right00:54
gilbertgreetings all :)00:54
jacobevenin' gilbert00:55
spweltonjust got back from loco00:55
gilbertjacob: no problem, space was sparse00:56
BiosElementjacob: It's fine, we only had one spare seat anyway heh00:57
cement_headhello00:57
jacob:P00:57
jacobi still feel bad for missing these things00:57
BiosElementYou'd have felt worse sitting under the table :P00:58
jacobhehe00:59
dmcglonejacob: I feel bad missing too, but thats life ;-)00:59
jacobindeed it is01:00
canthus13I'm here. sorta.01:01
gilbertso, jacob, do you want to lead the discussion?01:01
cement_headwhat's on the agenda?01:01
jacobgilbert: sure, I suppose, unless you've got things to talk about (I don't really. ;) )01:02
gilberti don't have anything specific01:02
thafreakOk. I'm here01:02
* Cheri703 is here01:02
tnseditorhi everyone01:02
Unit193Hey tnseditor01:02
jacobFirst up, I suppose I'll bring up something SMK sent us01:03
jacobevening tnseditor01:03
tnseditorhi Unit193!01:03
tnseditorhi jacob :)01:03
jacobthere's a bit of cash left over in the OLF pool - $57.21. what should be done with this? should it be saved for OLF 2011, donated somewhere, or used for something else?01:04
JonathanDsave it, man.01:04
gilchi vote to save it for OLF 201101:04
tnseditorsaved is good :)01:04
gilberti agree01:04
JonathanD5721 pennies saved is 5721 pennies earned.01:04
BiosElementSave it heh01:04
Cheri703not trying to be greedy :D but in the spring sometime, I'm hoping to have a geek-nic of sorts here in mansfield, so if it could be tagged for "LoCo events" and not OLF specifically, that'd be good...01:04
Cheri703maybe?01:04
jacobmy thoughts as well :)01:05
JonathanDCheri703: a geeknic, eh? :)01:05
Cheri703yep, get as many people to a centralized location as possible01:05
JonathanDmake sure you tell me so I can get it listed on the site...01:05
jacobI mean it is for LoCo events, so it can really be used when needed01:05
Cheri703I'm sort of in the middle01:05
Cheri703ok01:05
JonathanDgeeknic.org, I mean01:05
jacoball right, so for the time being, we'll save it for OLF or other events, which we can figure out when the time comes. any other thoughts?01:06
JonathanDinvest it in a high interest account. Then you'll have 5723 pennie.01:06
JonathanD*s01:06
gilberthehe01:07
tnseditor:p01:07
jacob:D01:07
gilbertbuy tacos for everyone in the loco?01:07
tnseditor:p01:07
canthus13Mmm... tacos.01:07
tnseditoromnomnomnom01:07
jacobNext up, then, is also from SMK01:08
jacobhe mentions that we should fortify communication in the LoCo, to keep everyone connected.01:08
cement_headgood idea01:08
gilbertany ideas on how we can do that better?01:09
thafreakhow is this suggested?01:09
jacobBurning Circle, the Ohio podcast, is one way of getting the word out, and it's highly recommended that ReLoCo leads (or anyone) that want to spread information forward it to him01:09
BiosElementMagic? ;)01:09
jacobMagic indeed... :P01:09
Cheri703can we have a show of hands on who listens to the podcast? I'm not really a podcast person :/01:09
BiosElementI don't really see how it could be improved. As long as other reloco leads can contact their counterparts, it sounds pretty fortified to me01:09
* canthus13 will do so if/when something of note happens in Toledo. :)01:10
jacobI listen on occasion -- it's a fairly short podcast :)01:10
tnseditorI haven't listened yet01:10
jacob(to be blunt, I'm not sure what can be improved with our existing infrastructure)01:11
BiosElement+1 to jacob01:11
Cheri703jacob: we could also have a "reloco report" section of the general meetings...01:11
tnseditorright :)01:11
jacobthough the forum/mailing list disconnect does make some communication tricky, but there's not a whole lot that can be done at the moment about that.01:11
BiosElementUnless we send someone with an axe and force them to talk to each other01:11
dmcglonejacob: Was Paul Tag that good?01:11
BiosElementAnd then it'd just turn into knock-knock jokes >.>01:11
jacobCheri703: I like the sound of that.01:11
canthus13Covert ops.01:11
jacobdmcglone: of course :D01:12
canthus13slip live CDs into every machine in Best Buy. :)01:12
jacobAnyway, that's something to think about: if you notice issues with getting the word out anywhere, let us know. and make use of the podcast; it is a useful thing!01:13
gilberti do listen to the podcast.  i wonder if we could help get the word out about that a bit more01:13
spweltonwhere is the podcast?01:13
jacobwe could also set up news reports or whatnot on the website, if people want that.01:13
jacobspwelton: http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/burningcircle01:13
spweltoncool, bookmarked01:14
gilberti think smk's concern is that he asks for feedback/call-ins from relocos, but no one every really does that01:14
Cheri703I'll try to make more of an effort to do so01:14
jacob^01:14
BiosElementBut then the point ramains, why call in if there's nothing new up? I think that's half the problem.01:15
gilbertperhaps we could send him email addresses so he can do a manual contact with everyone instead of just waiting for people to take the initiative on their own01:15
gilchi'm sorry. smk is?01:15
tnseditorHonestly, Lima hasn't met for half a year :\01:15
gilberttnseditor: you're the lima lead?01:15
tnseditoryes01:15
jacobBiosElement: yeah, it's a fair point01:15
tnseditorbut we haven't had a very good turn out and I've been busy01:16
gilbertsmk is the guy who has been putting together the podcast01:16
gilchgotcha. thanks gilbert01:16
gilberttnseditor: is there anyone in the area that you can tap to help out?01:16
BiosElementMaybe we should start handing out cd's or something on campus, get a tad more agressive with things. Already people recoginize the logo and comment to me pretty often. Just have to be a bit more proactive.01:17
tnseditorthe only other person that's a user and has attended meetings is from Defiance01:17
gilberttnseditor: it may be helpful to have a second-in-command in each area01:17
jacob(on a sidenote, Ubuntu is all I hear about from people in my CSE 360 class)01:17
gilbertBiosElement: i totally agree, we should be doing some proactive things like that01:17
Cheri703www.spreadubuntu.org is a good place to download printable cd covers and such01:17
Cheri703or flyers01:17
BiosElementOr both heh01:18
jacobCheri703: +101:18
gilbertBiosElement: doing it in spring time will be a lot better since ppl are out and about01:18
BiosElementIn fact01:18
dmcgloneLets go door to door :P01:18
BiosElementWe should get some flyers for every ubuntu hour at least01:18
* Cheri703 made a little "circle of friends" sign for the table for our ubuntu hours, figure if someone recognizes it, they'll say hi01:18
Cheri703it doesn't have words, just the logo01:18
* tnseditor just listened to the podcast. It sounds good and professional :)01:19
gilbertCheri703: cool.  it that a printed sign or just a paper print out?01:19
* canthus13 has ubuntu stickers on his laptop, carries some of teh business cards with his google voice # on the back.01:19
jacobby the way, I've still got that Ubuntu Ohio sign and a teeny stack of buisness cards left -- let me know if you want to use them for an event01:19
gilberttnseditor: smk actually does a really good job.  the problem is like no one knows about it01:19
BiosElementStupid idea but01:19
BiosElementhttp://www.spreadubuntu.org/en/material/poster/your-free-alternative-v2-ink-saving01:19
Cheri703paper print-out on heavy paper, I folded it into sort of a tent card01:19
BiosElement^Might be useful too01:19
Cheri703I can send you the file if you want, it's a pdf01:19
gilbertCheri703: yeah, that would be great01:20
Cheri703just circle of friends, and for the back side, some lines for folding points01:20
Cheri703pm your email if you want it01:20
Cheri703jacob: let me know if you'd like a report on our loco :)01:21
Cheri703*reloco01:22
* Cheri703 has a lot going on right this minute01:22
jacobCheri703: if you want, send it to the council email, but no pressure. SMK might like it for the podcast, though ;)01:23
Cheri703ok01:23
jacobwhich, btw, we should probably publicize that council email somewhere.01:23
cement_headthat poster is way cool01:23
gilbertjacob: perhaps we should give each of the loco leads to describe what they've been up to in their communities lately?01:23
gilbertjacob: and whether they need our help/feedback with anything01:23
jacobgilbert: yes, I like the sound of that01:24
cement_headI was thinking of getting an "install fest" happing in Oxford, OH01:24
cement_headHome to Miami University (~15,000 students)01:24
cement_headand the general public01:24
jacobthat's certainly an idea01:24
cement_headmaybe at a local coffee shop?01:25
cement_headHas anyone tried something like this before?01:25
cement_headlike in Columbus at OSU?01:25
jacobthere's a page on the wiki about install fests with some tips, i'll try to dig that up real quick01:25
Cheri703cement_head: if you're doing an install-fest, you might want to do it somewhere that is inclusive for people without laptops...just a thought01:25
cement_headgreat, thanks01:25
gilbertcement_head: we haven't really done an "installfest" in columbus01:25
cement_headright01:25
jacobthere was one somewhere around here if I recall correctly01:25
jacobmight not have been recently01:26
Cheri703I would like to get some more people who are interested, but not using ubuntu (at least a few) before attempting one up here. people just don't know what it is to know if they want to install it01:26
dmcglonegilbert: I would definitely try to make it to one01:26
gilbertjacob: it may be something to try since we've got lots of people at the university.  i've got the open source club president's approval to flyer up the university for our stuff also01:27
jacobgilbert: yeah, I agree, it's probably a good thing to try01:28
tnseditorhi itsafork.  Are you a relative of sporks or foons?01:28
Cheri703I'd think if doing an install-fest that you'd need a. lots of plugs, and b. wired internet available (or at least the capability to bridge wireless/wired on some of the laptops)01:28
tnseditor:P01:28
Cheri703many people can't get internet til wifi driver is installed...01:28
Cheri703perhaps not with 10.10 though01:28
cement_headseveral people have put UNR on their netbook and ditched the crippled M$ W7 install01:28
itsaforkhey guys, sorry i'm late01:28
dmcgloneThats true Cheri70301:28
cement_headdoes 10.10 have wifi issues?01:29
cement_head10.04 seemed pretty solid01:29
jacobyes, wire access and power are the main things01:29
jacobwell Broadcom is still pretty shaky01:29
dmcgloneMy laptop takes the proprietary driver thats not included on the CD01:29
cement_headI was thinking of using 10.0401:29
Cheri703ok, unless you can bridge the connections, a coffee shop might not be the best idea :/01:29
itsaforki've heard of a number of people having issues with wifi drivers in 10.1001:29
Cheri703with 10.04 you have to install the drivers01:29
cement_headYeah, maybe a room at the University that has ethernet01:29
itsaforkbut primarily only with HP tablet pcs01:30
cement_heador, a coffee shop at the university....01:30
cement_headOR,....a bar at the university....YEAH01:30
cement_headwell, maybe not01:30
cement_headgot a bit excited01:30
* Cheri703 is against activities at bars01:30
jacob:P01:30
Cheri703if people want to drink, go do it after01:30
Cheri703half of our last ubuntu hour were people under 18 :/01:31
Cheri703so...that wouldn't be real inclusive01:31
Unit193Less then half...01:31
Cheri703and I have a few friends who are young moms who use it (not locally) and they can't bring their kids01:31
cement_headeasy, it was a joke01:31
cement_headi'm not going to a bar to use a computer01:31
Cheri703some people have ubuntu hours at pubs01:32
cement_headreally?  where?01:32
gilbertCheri703: the uk01:32
itsaforkmostly in europe01:32
cement_headahh....civilisation01:32
jacobwhere the age issue isn't an issue01:32
Cheri703I've heard of some in the US too, maybe not the GENERAL ones, but they do have them01:32
Cheri703Unit193: a significant portion01:33
itsaforki have heard of a few ubuntu hours out in california being held in pubs01:33
cement_headanyway, maybe there's a CUG (Cincy User Group) that'd help out01:33
cement_headanyone from Cincy here?01:34
jacoblocation is the main hurdle, once that's figured out the rest is much easier01:34
cement_headI'll work on that and post to the listserv01:34
gilbertso, its certainly something we can try here in columbus in the next few months01:34
jacobcement_head: send an email to the mailing list if you can't find anyone, I'm sure there are some people out there willing to help you out01:35
gilbertand we can spread a how to to the rest of the state to try out as well01:35
cement_headsend me the link to the install-fest wiki if you find it01:35
jacobrighto01:35
cement_headokay01:35
cement_headgot to go01:35
cement_headcu all01:35
jacobcement_head: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallFest01:35
jacobd'oh, too soon.01:36
gilbertCheri703: the feedback :)01:36
Cheri703?01:36
jacobthough... the page looks to be blanked...01:36
itsaforki can always find us a few pubs to try holding ubuntu hours at if you guys are really interested in doing that01:36
itsaforkin c-bus that is01:36
dmcgloneitsafork, we already have it at panera01:37
jacobitsafork: i'm not strictly opposed to having them in pubs, but it does impose a perceived age barrier01:37
gilbertitsafork: there are lots of bars in cbus, but i don't think they guys here are really into that type of environment when it comes to ubuntu01:37
dmcgloneI'm not gilbert01:38
dmcgloneNo bars here01:38
* Cheri703 wouldn't go...01:38
Cheri703:/01:38
Cheri703panera is working well for us so far in mansfield01:38
* Unit193 Couldn't go01:38
Cheri703though table space will be an issue if we get any more people. I might have to go early to stake out the big table01:39
jacobPanera's a nice environment and location, it's just been pretty crowded this year01:39
dmcgloneIt would be nice to have the meets somewhere away from the hectic campus01:39
gilbertyeah, i like panera, its a good environment: food, free wifi, etc01:39
itsaforkjust for the record, i was referring to 'pubs' not 'bars'. pub's are at least 18+.01:39
jacobthere are some places on the columbus south campus gateway as well, though off the top of my head they'd likely be just as crowded01:40
gilbertjacob: yeah, i've been thinking the same thing.  last year we never had problems finding a place to sit, now we are lucky to get a little table01:40
dmcgloneTim Hortons is good too01:40
itsaforkalso, i'm catching a few things here, so i think for the time being, we will stear away from both pubs & bars for hosting ubunut hours01:40
Cheri703mansfield doesn't have tim horton's :(01:40
jacob:o01:40
tnseditorWe're finally getting one and a Cold Stone in the same building01:40
dmcgloneI take my laptop to TH a lot01:40
Cheri703it makes me sad01:40
gilbertitsafork: i wouldn't take anything off the table.  it should be up to the reloco leads how/where they want to have their meetings01:41
* Cheri703 loves their cruller donuts01:41
jacobgilbert: +101:41
tnseditorhow are their prices?01:41
dmcglonelol Cheri703 I'll send you one in the mail01:41
jacobtnseditor: reasonable, I think.01:41
itsaforkgilbert: that's a really good point, thank you01:41
dmcglone;-)01:41
tnseditorjacob: good01:41
tnseditor:p01:41
jacobin fact, I think it's a little better value than Panera, if you're going for that type of food01:41
gilbertok, do we have any more items on the agenda to move on to?01:41
jacobgilbert: none here01:42
dmcgloneI just want to say location01:42
Cheri703I'd like to quickly report on our ReLoCo, if possible01:42
gilbertok, so i wanted to ask if anyone (reloco leads other members) what they want/need from the council?01:42
gilbertwhat can we do better to make this a great community?01:43
dmcglonelocation change :-)01:43
gilbertCheri703: go ahead while others ponder my questions01:43
Cheri703well, we went from one person, to two people, to 3 people, to 5 at the last one :) I've been telling people, and I have run out of Ubuntu-Ohio business cards...01:43
Cheri703so we're gaining a wee bit of momentum :)01:44
gilbertthats great Cheri703!  jacob has some more business cards and so do i01:44
gilbertthats awesome to hear01:44
Cheri703I might just print up some on my own. I have business card blanks01:44
Cheri703if someone could scan one or send me what the text says, I can create an equivalent01:45
jacobI've got about 100 cards left at home, and can always order more01:45
itsaforkdmcglone: how so? should we all move to the Bahamas?!?01:45
Cheri703ah, ok01:45
Cheri703itsafork: I think he's referring to parking/ease of access01:45
Cheri703if anyone wanted to send me some, I'd be appreciative :)01:45
jacobCheri703: I can send you the template, if you want that01:45
Cheri703ok, yeah, that'd be great01:45
dmcgloneitsafork: somewhere off OSU campus01:46
canthus13Teh bahamas sounds good right about now.01:46
* Cheri703 @gmail.com01:46
gilbertare there any other reloco leads here that would like to give a brief update on whats going on in their area?01:48
itsaforkhey everyone,  what about the Cup O' Joe in Clintonville for ubuntu hours???01:50
* thafreak is Akron Lead (atleast the last time I checked)01:50
itsaforkfor the c-bus ubuntu hour that is01:50
gilberthey thafreak, what's been going on up there lately?01:50
thafreakSadly, nothing to report for akron...I just finished school mid december...then holidays...so I'm just now getting un busy01:50
gilbertthafreak: well, let us know if you need help with anything01:51
thafreakI'd like to try to do some outreach with the local LUGs though...01:51
thafreakI know some people from akron lug, and there used to be one here in Medina county too...01:51
thafreakthe mclug01:51
thafreak(not a sandwich)01:52
* Cheri703 recently found out that there's an active LUG in mansfield, but it might meet on similar nights as the ubuntu hours :/ and when I was searching a while back, there was no sign of it01:52
gilbertitsafork: osu is really convenient, but we could try heading up there at some point.  we could maybe use a change from the routine01:52
thafreakYeah, local lugs can be hard to get ahold of sometimes!01:52
dmcgloneThere is an active LUG here in columbus that I attend every so often01:52
dmcgloneCOLUG01:53
jacobCheri703: sent01:53
Cheri703kk01:53
gilbertok, so any thoughts on feedback for the council? what can we do to make ubuntu ohio great?01:54
Cheri703I think getting people together more often than just OLF (getting multiple relocos together), hence why I want to have a gathering in the spring01:55
thafreakninjas01:55
tnseditorCheri703:  sounds good :)01:55
thafreakyeah, that sounds fun too01:55
Cheri703the local groups know each other, but if people don't participate in the forum or irc, then they don't know OTHER people01:55
Cheri703*outside the reloco01:56
jacobgood point01:56
itsaforkCheri703: good point01:56
thafreakI agree, I think some statewide gatherings besides OLF would be awesome01:56
gilbertCheri703: that would be awesome.  we could also try a loco trip to another loco01:56
Cheri703yeah gilbert, I do think the ubuntu-pilgrimage idea would be helpful, just have to prime the area for it first :)01:57
gilbertlike columbus could visit mansfield on the weekend01:57
gilbertwell for an afternoon on the weekend, not all weekend01:57
dmcglonewhy don't we plan an event where all the Ohio ubuntu locos meet01:57
Cheri703yeah, that sort of thing for an install-fest or a "hand out flyers" day would be awesome, having extra hands01:57
Cheri703dmcglone: that'll be at my house :) if everyone can make it to mansfield01:58
Cheri703though it'll be a distance for the southern relocos01:58
dmcgloneit's got to be in the center of Ohio :-)01:58
dmcglonethat way it not such a long drive for everyone01:58
Cheri703so perhaps have regional ones (north/south) and then a BIG one? dunno01:58
dmcglonebut only like once a year01:58
canthus13Hmm. If it's on a Saturday, we could probably make it.01:59
dmcglonemost everyone makes it to OLF right01:59
jacobI think so01:59
dmcgloneI mean it could be an OLF but only consisting of well.. Us02:00
dmcglonelol02:00
canthus13OUF?02:00
jacobit's definitely an idea02:00
dmcgloneOUF sounds like a good name02:00
gilbertthat was kind of done the day before OLF02:01
itsaforki like the sound of OUF02:01
Cheri703Perhaps in the first half of the year, there could be a northern/southern thing, then the ubu-con at OLF?02:01
itsafork& maybe even try getting some of our neighbor states involved too!02:01
dmcgloneCheri703: what about the east/west?02:01
gilbertitsafork: except for michigan of course ;)02:02
dmcglonelol gilbert02:02
itsaforklol02:02
Cheri703well, spanning across (I drive to lima ALL the time, I guess I don't see it as that long a drive :/ )02:02
dmcglonewell I think if we could find a meeting place in the middle of the state, it would work pretty good02:03
gilbertwell, its been about an hour, so we should try to wrap this up.  any final thoughts/feedback?02:03
itsaforkOLF is in september, what if we tried to have OUF in March???02:04
dmcglonesounds good tome02:04
tnseditorsounds pretty good :)02:05
dmcglonewarm weather, road trip... Hmmm02:05
dmcgloneI'm all for it02:05
jacob+102:05
gilbertseems reasonable; although thats a bit soon (in terms of finding space for it)02:05
gilbertand it might be a bit better if it were a warmer month02:05
dmcglonegilbert, any restaurant would be happy to see us coming02:05
itsaforkgilbert: good point, warmer is better02:05
Cheri703dmcglone: you'd want plugs/wifi available02:05
Cheri703and I think not basing it around food would probably be good...02:06
jacoblet's reserve the convention center! (kidding, that's expensive.)02:06
Cheri703maybe, I dunno02:06
Cheri703have food, but not AT a food location02:06
dmcgloneMcDonalds, Tim Hortons, Wendys take your pick02:06
gilbertwhat would the format be?  just like a big ubuntu hour?  like an ubuntu dinner?02:06
gilbertpresentations, or just discussion?02:06
Cheri703well, my thing will be pretty casual02:06
dmcgloneone huge ubuntu 2 hours02:06
gilberthaha dmcglone02:06
paultagthat would be tit02:07
dmcgloneeverything gilbert02:07
paultagss02:07
Cheri703gilbert: I'd lean away from being at a business02:07
paultaghello, world02:07
tnseditorhi paultag02:07
Cheri703hey paultag02:07
paultagheyya tnseditor, Cheri70302:07
jacobheya paultag02:07
gilberthey paultag!02:07
paultaghayya jacob, gilbert <302:07
dmcgloneHi paultag02:07
gilbertyou totally missed the meeting :(02:07
paultaghowdy dmcglone!02:07
paultaggilbert: dude, I know! Sorry!02:07
itsaforki think maybe have it like ubucon, talks with a little bit of open discussoins02:07
paultaggilbert: I tried to get back, but my g'ma needed some help02:07
itsaforkpaultag: where did you come from?!?02:08
Cheri703do we have any "no, absolutely not" locations?02:08
paultagitsafork: ....my mom?02:08
itsaforkpaultag: lol02:08
Cheri703I can ask around for venues in cbus, want somewhere that we could set up tables/plugs perhaps? dunno02:08
dmcgloneCheri703: White Castle is out of the question, they make me fart! LOL02:08
tnseditorhhahahaha02:08
gilbertpanera's usually have a meeting room that you can reserve02:09
itsaforkdmcglone: agree!02:09
gilbertalthough the one at osu doesn't02:09
Cheri703ours doesn't...02:09
itsaforkgilbert: will that be large enough???02:09
tnseditorboth of ours don't02:09
dmcgloneeven libraries have wi-fi don't they?02:09
gilberta library may be good02:09
Unit193How about at dmcglone's house? ;)02:09
itsaforkdmcglone: some do, some don't02:09
dmcgloneand libraries have private rooms I think02:09
dmcgloneUnit193 come on down :-)02:10
Cheri703gilbert: Columbus main library has meeting rooms, and a parking garage that isn't stupid expensive02:10
Cheri703Unit193: we can carpool02:10
gilbertCheri703: is that downtown?02:10
Cheri703yeah02:10
dmcgloneCheri703: but it has to be in the middle of the state02:10
itsaforkCheri703: GREAT POINT!!!02:10
gilbertCheri703: kinda sad that i don't know that since i've lived here so long02:11
* Cheri703 hearts the main library02:11
Cheri703dmcglone: columbus main library02:11
dmcglonegilbert: no the main lib is not downtown02:11
Cheri703it's right next to grant hospital02:11
Cheri703= downtown to me02:11
dmcgloneit's off of broad st west of downtown02:11
Cheri703like 2 blocks west02:11
thafreakJust to be extra nerdy, some one should find the gps coords of the EXACT center of ohio02:11
itsaforkdmcglone: it's by the corner of Grant Ave. & Oak St.02:11
dmcglone2?02:11
paultagthafreak: haahahha02:11
dmcglonenah more like 2 miles02:11
Cheri703well, a few blocks from high/broad02:12
thafreakeven if it's the middle of a freeway, we should all meet there02:12
gilbertdmcglone: thats pretty close to downtown (at least what i consider downtown)02:12
paultagthafreak: and go there, just like the random farm in the "middle" of the USA02:12
canthus13thafreak: Shoulda known someone in here already would have done that.02:12
dmcglonegilbert: it's across the street from grant hospital02:12
Cheri703about 10 min from OSU, 15 with traffic. I can make it from there (slightly south of there actually) to microcenter in 15 min02:12
thafreakanyone know where the precise (as possible) center of the state is?02:12
canthus13Newark is almost the exact center.02:12
dmcglonethafreak: I'm checking02:13
dmcglone;-)02:13
thafreaknewark you say eh...02:13
gilbertpaultag: that would be awesome, just show up at some random farm land and sit around with our computers and talk.  that would be fun02:13
paultaggilbert: dude, for sure02:13
paultaggilbert: I'd come down for that, no doubt02:13
dmcgloneNewark is due east02:13
itsaforkcanthus13: but newarks.... far away :(    lol02:13
dmcglonehaha gilbert02:14
canthus13itsafork: Yeah, well.. I'm in Toledo. Everything is kinda far away.02:14
gilbertso, i gotta run in a few.  anything else we need to wrap up?02:15
Cheri703http://ebranch-prod.columbuslibrary.org/ebranch/index.cfm?pageid=21002:15
dmcgloneme and gilbert is in columbus, Umm pretty much in the center of ohio... lol02:15
Cheri703do we think we'd have more than 30 people?02:15
dmcgloneCheri703: probably not at first02:16
itsaforkCheri703: well are we going to invite the neighbor loco's???02:16
gilbertCheri703: i doubt it02:16
Cheri703open to all of ohio02:16
gilbertitsafork: we'll invite anyone/everyone that would be interested02:16
itsafork30 sounds pretty reasonable02:16
Cheri703there's one room at the main library that is 30 people, one that is 200, not really any in-between there02:16
canthus13You can fit 200 people in the 30 room, I'm sure.  Just gotta be friendly and wear deodorant.02:17
Cheri703decent amenities too, if you look, there's a fridge, microwave, lcd projector, tv/dvd player02:17
Cheri703so we could definitely provide snackies02:17
gilbertCheri703: 30 is good02:17
Cheri703and/or have presentations02:17
itsaforkcanthus13: i agree, personal space is soo over rated02:17
canthus13mmm.. tokyo subways...02:18
Cheri703ok, the room can be reserved up to 4 months in advance, so if we decided on a few possible dates, we can try to reserve it02:18
dmcgloneitsafork: I like my personal space ;-)02:18
dmcgloneCheri703: is there a cost?02:18
gilberti would say April at the earliest02:18
gilbertdmcglone: you've already paid it compulsively02:18
gilbertdmcglone: libraries are paid for out of local taxes02:19
Cheri703doesn't look like it02:19
Cheri703and it does say you can't be disruptive ;)02:19
itsaforkgilbert: agreed, april is the soonest we'd be able to succesfully plan something like this02:19
dmcgloneTrue, but some charge for their rooms02:19
paultagdmcglone: not for community orgs, usually02:19
paultagonly companies and such02:20
dmcglonepaultag: cool02:20
dmcgloneI didn't know that02:20
paultagtaxes rule, dude02:20
dmcglonethe library around the corner from my house has a charge for their conference room02:20
Cheri703on 4/23, the main auditorium (200 people) is open all day, the 30 person room is open after 1pm02:21
itsaforkdmcglone: sounds like a not-so-fun library02:21
paultagdmcglone: usually public libraries will do it at no cost to community groups02:21
Cheri703(as of now, might fill up quickly)02:21
Cheri703since the other saturdays are taken02:21
Cheri703on 4/30 the 30 person room is available all day02:21
gilbertCheri703: so, lets reserve it and plan on that02:21
Cheri703which?02:21
gilbertCheri703: i'd say a half day is long enough02:21
Cheri703which half02:21
dmcglonelol02:22
gilbertlater half02:22
paultag+102:22
jacob:P02:22
Cheri703ok, so 4/23?02:22
itsaforklater half sounds good!02:22
gilbertwhich day does 11.04 come out?02:22
Cheri703does someone in columbus want to reserve it?02:22
* Cheri703 isn't really there much these days02:22
paultaggilbert: usually the 3th02:22
paultag30th02:22
gilbertCheri703: you can do it on that page, right?02:22
Cheri703the link I'd posted earlier02:22
Cheri703yes02:22
gilbertso the 30th seems like a good date then?02:22
Cheri703we could go for the 30th, have a release party?02:23
canthus13the 3th?02:23
canthus13:)02:23
gilbertyeah after party for the release02:23
* Cheri703 isn't sure she wants to be RESPONSIBLE for the room :)02:23
paultaggilbert: let me check the release cal02:23
canthus13If it's like most releases, it'll release sometime around 11:58pm.02:23
Cheri703can't check may yet, 5 months out02:23
gilbertcanthus13: 11:58 the day before?02:23
canthus13gilbert: the day of.02:23
gilbertcanthus13: so they do it at the last minute02:24
paultaggilbert: Cheri703: April 28th02:24
paultagwe're early this year02:24
canthus13Every 6 months, people poke ubottu, asking if it's out all day on release day.02:24
Cheri703ok, so then the 30th would be good02:24
Cheri703gilbert: http://ebranch-prod.columbuslibrary.org/ebranch/index.cfm?pageid=21002:24
Cheri703you can reserve from there02:24
jacobexcept 10.10, which was 10/10/10 10:10:10 UTC.02:24
Cheri703or someone on the council :)02:24
paultag+1 making the council do work02:25
paultaggod that feels good to say02:25
dmcgloneFirefox Users: This software is not compatible with Firefox version 3.6  or higher.  Use Internet Explorer, or older versions of Firefox, or any  other browsers to reserve a room online or call 614-645-2275 to reserve  by phone.02:25
Cheri703it was letting me get in there02:25
paultagdmcglone: dude, pwned02:25
itsaforkpaultag: ok02:25
Cheri703I don't know that it WORKS works, but it was letting mein02:25
Cheri703*me in02:25
paultag<3 itsafork02:25
itsaforki'll reserver it, but that means that at least all of have to show up!!!02:26
* dmcglone can't call so I can't do it unless I go over there. I'll do it if anyone isn't willing to call and reserve02:26
itsafork& bring friends02:26
gilberthmm, maybe we should decide now who is going to be responsible for organizing this since it seems to be a group idea02:26
dmcgloneI'll definitely be there itsafork02:26
gilberti wonder if Jon would be interested since he was instrumental in putting together ubucon02:26
Cheri703I'll help from here if at all possible02:27
itsaforki am more than happy to HELP organize it, but i will eventually need some help with the details02:27
dmcgloneI will help with anything I can02:28
* BiosElement is back >.>02:28
Cheri703perhaps someone can go scout out the room, check out logistics and such. it did say that tables/chairs are available, but the group is responsible for setup/tear-down, so reserve time on either side for that02:28
itsaforkgilbert: jacob: i'm hoping i can count on you guys as well!!!!02:28
gilbertok, we'll have a conversation within the council to decide how to organize this and we'll send out info later02:28
jacobitsafork: unless something catastrophic happens, i'll be there :)02:28
gilbertok, so we have Cheri703 and itsafork as volunteers we can count on.  anyone else want to help out?02:29
jacobgilbert: sounds good :)02:29
Cheri703I think release party/install-fest/gathering02:29
dmcglonejacob: we're gonna have a really bad snow storm that day02:29
jacobdmcglone: sweet02:29
Cheri703so perhaps some tables set up in one corner where people can install, an area for chatting, and perhaps some small group discussion topics planned?02:29
itsaforkjacob: Cheri703: dmcglone: gilbert: thanks guys!!!02:29
* Cheri703 is just throwing out ideas02:29
paultagI can give a smallish talk about something fun, if I can plan ahead and make sure I get down in time02:30
Cheri703not sure just HOW big the room is02:30
Unit193If I can go I can help with setup/takedown02:30
dmcgloneI'll go scout the room tomorrow02:30
paultagdmcglone: mind taking photos?02:31
paultagjust with a phone or something02:31
paultagthen we can doodle on them02:31
Cheri703it's the 3rd floor meeting room (or something like that)02:31
dmcgloneI was about to suggest that, but doesn't that seem a little odd.. LOL02:31
itsaforkpaultag: can i hold you to that?????02:31
paultaghahaha02:31
paultagitsafork: a talk or doodling on photos?02:31
jacobhehe02:32
paultagI'll doodle up and down on this joint02:32
itsaforkpaultag: either?02:32
gilbertok everybody, i gotta take off.  good meeting :)02:32
paultagitsafork: I'll do my 100% best. It's going to take some baby-making because that's either finals of my last semester at uni or graduation02:32
tnseditortalk to you later :)02:32
paultaggilbert: Thanks so much! You rock my socks!02:32
jacoblater gilbert :)02:32
paultagitsafork: but I'll see if I can't get away02:32
dmcglonelater gilbert02:33
itsaforkpaultag: thanks man!~02:33
paultagitsafork: rock on dude02:33
itsaforkgilbert; tnseditor: later02:33
dmcgloneGeez paultag give me a little credit here ;-)02:33
paultagdmcglone: :)02:33
paultagdmcglone: you get all the credit you want, dude. How's the PHP coming these days?02:34
dmcglonegreat, I've been doing a lot of writing lately02:34
paultagkiller!02:34
paultagOne sec, I need to get my chargetr02:34
paultagcharger *02:34
dmcgloneI'm building a site for Cheri703's friend02:34
itsaforkdmcglone: i hate building sites, more power to ya!02:35
dmcglonewhy itsafork?02:35
dmcgloneI love it02:35
jacobI love building sites... but not really in PHP ;)02:36
dmcglonePHP RULES!!!02:36
dmcglone;-)02:36
BiosElementPHP just fails ;P02:36
* BiosElement ducks behind flame wall02:36
itsaforkdmcglone: just never had much luck/ skill at it02:36
jacobPython+Django, Ruby+Rails, etc > PHP02:36
BiosElementPython+Pyramid > Python+Django > PHP > Ruby+Rauls > C02:37
BiosElement;)02:37
jacobthough PHP is a necessary evil, using it at work02:37
dmcgloneAw now come on people, admit it PHP RULES ;-)02:37
jacobBiosElement: who uses C for web development? :P02:37
dmcglonejacob: I do02:37
dmcglonelol02:38
dmcgloneActually, I use 2 better called C++02:38
itsaforki don't know dmcglone, there aren't any vowels in the word, lol02:38
jacobdmcglone: how so? curious, I've really never seen it used online (excluding software libraries)02:38
* Cheri703 has all 4 dogs in the living room02:38
Cheri703generally we only bring in a few at a time02:38
dmcglonejacob: yup, thats what makes me GOOD! lol02:39
BiosElementjacob: Well I can name a few02:39
jacobah, well C++ makes a _little_ more sense. C, though...02:39
jacoband no, web servers don't count. I know that's C. :P02:39
BiosElementjacob: C++ 'is' C with some added crap heh02:39
jacobBiosElement: yes, but they're functionally different in many ways02:40
itsaforkBiosElement: jacob: very true.02:40
dmcgloneMy main languages are PHP, mysql with PEAR and SMARTY02:40
BiosElementjacob: No debate there heh02:40
dmcgloneC++ is C on steroids02:41
jacobanyway, i'm not about to get into a programming language holywar. ;) i'm signing off; need to work on some papers due tomorrow.02:42
BiosElementhah later jacob02:42
jacoblater all02:42
dmcglonelater jacob02:42
tnseditoradios02:42
dmcgloneI'm about to hop in the shower02:42
itsaforkhey guys i'm going to sign off as well, later!02:42
Unit193dmcglone: Don't take your computer with you!02:43
dmcgloneBiosElement: you know the routine, gonna get my laptop and take it upstairs02:43
dmcglonelol02:43
BiosElementdmcglone: Fail ;P02:43
dmcglonelol Unit1902:43
dmcgloneI'll be back in about 30 minutes :-)02:44
thafreakwait...what's all this talk?02:47
thafreakMy first web stuff was written in C!02:47
BiosElementlol02:47
BiosElementDon't ask me02:47
thafreaka little thing called CGI02:47
BiosElementI think it's kinda dumb to do web in C02:47
BiosElementServers don't count >.>02:47
thafreaknot servers02:47
thafreakCGI programs...02:47
thafreakapache runs them...02:48
thafreakI wrote C first...02:48
thafreakthen, later, wrote a C++ class to make it easy to write CGI bins...02:48
thafreakthen some one showed me perl...then shortly thereafter (a few days), some one showed me php...02:48
thafreakneedless to say, I didn't do much more C/C++ web dev :)02:49
thafreakoh, and it was when php 3 was brand new...02:49
dmcglone1back03:05
Unit193welcome back dmcglone103:18
dmcglone1and I'm about to turn in for the night03:26
dmcglone1lol03:26
Unit193undo welcome back03:27
dmcglone1LOL03:27
dmcglone1It'll be around 11 when I go03:27
dmcglone1gotta get my beauty sleep. A lot of it. have you seen how ugly I am these days?03:28
dmcglone1;-)03:28
Unit193Nope, the camera would break...03:28
Unit193I'm hoping to go to the c-bus ting...03:29
dmcglone1I hope to see you there03:29
Unit193Better then breaking another camera...03:29
dmcglone1lol03:30
dmcglone1I live pretty close  to the library it'll be held at03:31
Unit193Need shirts with SN on them...03:31
dmcglone1Ok I'm out. G'night everyone03:59
Unit193Have a nice one dmcglone103:59
thafreakMorning Ohio14:19
Cheri703hello14:19
canthus13Good morning.14:22
Cheri703canthus13: crazy boss strikes again14:36
cprofitthey... can anyone tell me about Notacon?15:16
canthus13ChanServ: oh?15:17
cprofittyes, its in OH15:18
cprofittwell... Cleveland if OH still claims it15:19
cprofitthttp://www.notacon.org/15:19
cprofitt:-)15:19
canthus13...15:19
cprofittJonathanD: what channels are you not in?15:19
JonathanDUmmm...15:23
JonathanDI'm not sure ;)15:23
JonathanDcprofitt: I'm in fewer than 120 channels.15:23
JonathanDOut of 33,000. :)15:24
cprofitthmm...15:26
cprofittmust just be many of the same channels I am in15:26
cprofittJonathanD: you been to notacon?15:26
JonathanDnope15:26
cprofittI feel the need for geekery... computer geekery...15:26
JonathanDcprofitt: I'm in a lot of ubuntu and lug channels.15:26
JonathanDas are you15:26
* cprofitt nods15:26
cprofittwe follow the same path my friend15:27
JonathanDthats where all the fun stuff happens15:27
JonathanDand also the best place to get people to come over for dinner15:27
cprofittlol15:28
cprofittdinner...15:28
cprofittyum15:28
JonathanDindeed.16:56
Unit193Bloody firefox...20:02
thafreakcanthus13: weren't you talking about the girl with the dragon tattoo a while back?20:08
canthus13Yep. great movie.20:15
dmcgloneHi all :-)20:59
Unit193dmcglone21:00
dmcgloneyeah?21:00
Unit193wrong context, hope your having a better one then I am...21:00
dmcgloneI'm relieved today!21:01
dmcgloneUnit193 go look at the completed site21:01
Unit193Too pissed off right now...21:02
dmcglonebetter to be pissed off than pissed on ;-)21:02
Unit193The site starts out a bit kookey21:04
dmcglonewhat do ya mean?21:05
Unit193Loads all the things it switchs around at once21:06
dmcgloneis it like jerking around?21:07
Unit193only at first load... (not sure jerking is the right word)21:10
dmcglonejust slow right?21:10
Unit193Know anyway to restore a FF session?21:10
dmcgloneYou can't unless it was saved21:11
Unit193loads all the pics at once... don't know how else to put it21:11
dmcgloneI see21:11
Unit193it *was* saved....21:11
Unit193"saved"21:11
dmcglonehave you tried closing firefox and opening it back up?21:12
Unit193Yes, been at this for about the last hour....21:13
dmcglonesounds like your session wasn't saved like it should have been21:13
Unit193(not an ubuntu computer) tried 3 undelete programs, searched all the restore files...21:13
Unit193I really need to get off the comp before I break anything :/21:14
dmcgloneI know how ya feel man. Go take a break and come back to it later21:15
Unit193I don't think there is anything else to do about it... but go crazy with a process manager....21:16
dmcgloneare you running windows?21:16
Unit193In the comp I'm really pissed at? or this one?21:17
dmcglonethe one that will not restore the session21:17
Unit193Yep21:17
dmcgloneThat's your problem21:18
Unit193Yeah, I really need to not kill vital processes when I get ticked at it.... (I blue screen most of the time when I get ticked)21:21
Unit193Done with the site?21:33
canthus13Cheri703: Hey... what's up with the boss this time?21:48
Cheri703heh, good times, she FINALLY sent the proposed contract....21:48
Cheri703and wants to pay me $450 per week (which sounds pretty decent, until you factor in that THAT IS SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE MY GAS REIMBURSEMENT!)21:48
Cheri703so basically I'd be making LESS some weeks than I make now21:49
Cheri703also she changed my "things that are under my domain" list to "tasks to include but not limited to:" so basically she wants to pay me less and keep herself having unlimited control over what she can ask from me21:49
Cheri703so...going to send back a counter proposal and explain why she's full of crap, and give up after that21:50
greyfox-PGP signing party tonight for those of you in Columbus... http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/f1gvx/pgp_signing_party_columbus_ohio/21:55
canthus13Cheri703: She's nuts.21:58
Cheri703yeah basically21:58
Cheri703>.<21:58
Cheri703silly me thinking that maaaaybe she'd regain some humanity, but oh well21:59
canthus13450 is crap.  I make more than that sitting on my ass, resetting modems, and teaching old ladies how to change channels.21:59
Cheri703yeah...22:00
Cheri703the minimum I was willing to take was $400 PLUS gas reimbursement22:00
Cheri703some weeks I spend over $200 in gas22:00
Cheri703so...nope22:00
Cheri703as I said though, I'm going to give them one last shot at keeping me22:00
Cheri703but I'm not holding my breath22:00
* canthus13 wonders what the going rate for your job description is...22:02
canthus13Can't be less than 12 bucks an hour...22:03
Cheri703according to a few people, it's over 30k22:03
canthus13That sounds about right. 15 bucks an hour, maybe a bit more.22:03
Cheri703oh, and the best part is, that $450 including gas is still as a contractor, so that $450 is wages, gas, taxes22:04
canthus13McDonalds pays better. :(22:05
canthus13...almost.  McD's starts at $7.50/hr, which at full time is 300 bucks a week.22:05
Cheri703yeah, exactly, there are a few call centers in town, and I would take home more money22:05
Cheri703which is RIDICULOUS22:05
Cheri703I'm GOOD at my job22:05
canthus13Yay. Lunch.  I'm off to eat.  I'll be back after a while.22:06
Cheri703ttyl22:06
Derath-SrvrSorry I missed the meeting last night, reviewing logs now...22:18
Derath-SrvrOkay, I have something of a suggestion...22:30
Derath-SrvrRegarding last night's meeting (sorry was teaching a class), could we use some form of an RSS feed? that way it's text based, lots of clients will read rss, voluntary... etc?22:31
Derath-Srvrjacob, gilbert ^22:32
Derath-SrvrThinking a custom build site or tool that ReLoCo leads can easily type into and update and feed an RSS feed to distribute to those that want to subscribe...22:34
Derath-Srvrsite, tool, or even a "web-plugin" that we can add to the wiki or something22:37
canthus13Bot in channel.22:49
canthus13Designated leads would be able to @update <whatever>22:50
Derath-Srvrthat would work too23:00

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