[07:50] <ochosi> mr_pouit: hm, the xfce-panel-systray still doesn't work great
[07:51] <ochosi> mr_pouit: and the bloody nm-applet is killed by update-manager after every update/upgrade :(
[09:11] <mr_pouit> mmh
[09:11] <mr_pouit> I think it's caused by an option
[09:11] <ochosi> what is caused by an option?
[09:12] <mr_pouit> if I check "show borders" for the systray, I still have some bugs (e.g. xfpm doesn't show)
[09:12] <mr_pouit> (i'm not sure of the exact option label)
[09:13] <ochosi> mhm
[09:13] <ochosi> we can try to set whatever works better by default
[09:13] <ochosi> but i kinda hope it gets fixed before natty
[09:23] <mr_pouit> if it's fixed upstream, yeah ;-)
[09:24] <ochosi> hm, maybe. i vaguely remember nick talking about some additional fixes in the systray in git
[09:24] <ochosi> (wrt gnome-power-manager iirc)
[09:25] <mr_pouit> "Restart tray allocation if number of rows overflows (bug #7055)."
[09:25] <mr_pouit> "Restart tray allocation if number of rows overflows (bug #7055)."
[09:25] <mr_pouit> ubottu: stupid
[09:25] <mr_pouit> ochosi: that's all
[09:26] <ochosi> hm
[09:26] <ochosi> maybe i should report it then
[09:26] <mr_pouit> ochosi: there are several commits improving systray debugging
[09:27] <mr_pouit> so if you report something, you should build the panel from git first
[09:27] <ochosi> awwh...
[09:27] <ochosi> not sure if i have time for that now
[09:27] <mr_pouit> and run it with PANEL_DEBUG=systray
[09:27] <mr_pouit> ;P
[09:28] <ochosi> you're not using the panel from git, are you?
[09:31] <mr_pouit> no :>
[09:31] <ochosi> :D
[09:31] <mr_pouit> I can put it in my ppa if you want
[09:31] <ochosi> yeah, that would be nice
[09:31] <ochosi> i guess that would lower the threshold of testing/debugging it immensly :)
[09:32] <mr_pouit> I'll try to do that this evening
[09:32] <ochosi> cool, feel free to ping me about it
[09:32] <mr_pouit> about nm-applet, I don't know, try to file a bug maybe
[09:32] <ochosi> yeah, i'll have a look
[09:33] <mr_pouit> (against network-manager-applet or update-manager)
[09:33] <ochosi> this bug has been around for all of alpha1 now
[09:33] <mr_pouit> then maybe it's already known ;-)
[09:33] <ochosi> btw what do you think of changing the default color-scheme of xfce4-terminal
[09:33] <ochosi> yeah, that's what i thought :)
[09:33] <ochosi> those two are very common components
[09:33] <ochosi> especially since the app-center doesn't do updates/upgrades yet
[09:34] <ochosi> ooops, "software-center", not "app-center" :)
[09:34] <mr_pouit> ochosi: how would xfce4-terminal look like?
[09:35] <ochosi> hm, e.g. white bg
[09:35] <ochosi> that would make the scrollbar-bg feel more integrated
[09:36] <ochosi> just not sure, we never tried changing the default colors of the term and people might be particular about term-colors
[15:01] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:02] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu Community Meeting today at 19:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting
[16:54] <micahg> charlie-tca: I won't be making the meeting today
[16:54] <charlie-tca> Okay, thanks. Any updates?
[16:55] <micahg> charlie-tca: just we need to get anything for 10.04.2 into -proposed by next thursday, so docs need a push
[16:55] <charlie-tca> Okay, we will push it then. Thanks
[16:56] <micahg> charlie-tca: I can upload when it's ready, just ping me
[16:57] <micahg> charlie-tca: BTW, in general SRUs need to be fixed in dev release first, but I'm wondering what to do in this case since I'm assuming the docs are being updated just for Lucid, right>
[16:58] <charlie-tca> as far as I know, we want the updated docs in lucid, yes.
[16:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: what I mean is that they'll be Lucid specific
[16:58] <charlie-tca> Maverick is being updated, but won't be pushed, I think.
[16:58] <charlie-tca> natty will have updated docs, but they don't come in until rc, normally
[16:58] <micahg> charlie-tca: no point to updating maverick if we won't push since natty has 4.8pre
[16:59] <charlie-tca> seems like it is part of the process. They have to be updated in sequence, as I understand it
[16:59] <micahg> charlie-tca: but we could push since it's just docs
[17:00] <charlie-tca> And, we might. It seems like a lot of work to get them done, it would be a shame to think it is a waste of time
[17:00] <charlie-tca> but to get updated docs in 10.04.2, we can't wait for natty 
[17:00] <micahg> charlie-tca: I can version the uploads so they won't break upgrades, that's not an issue, but if they're version specific, we can do them out of order
[17:01] <charlie-tca> I will get with Daniel and find out where we are now.
[17:02] <micahg> charlie-tca: ok, I'll look for the meeting notes later
[18:32] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend.
[19:04] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit, cody-somerville, ochosi, pleia2 : meeting?
[19:05] <pleia2> charlie-tca: swamped at work, still waiting on a reply from cody-somerville 
[19:05] <charlie-tca> thank you, pleia2 
[19:05] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: you are holding up the website now!
[20:58] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: forgot to ask, is it possible to have the new theme, panels, icons, and font in alpha2 ?
[21:15] <mr_pouit> charlie-tca: yeah sure, I'll upload that next week, to give some time to ochosi to fix a few issues
[21:16] <charlie-tca> thanks!
[21:17] <cody-somerville> pleia2, whats your e-mail address?
[21:17]  * charlie-tca thanks cody-somerville 
[21:19] <pleia2> cody-somerville: lyz@ubuntu.com
[21:20] <pleia2> the email was the one I sent on 12/16 "Xubuntu.org changes"
[21:25] <cody-somerville> pleia2, I created you an account on the website.
[21:25] <cody-somerville> pleia2, You should get an e-mail with details.
[21:26] <pleia2> thank you :)
[22:38] <ochosi> charlie-tca: sorry, thought i could be here for the team meeting but in the end didn't make it
[22:38] <charlie-tca> no problem
[22:39] <ochosi> have to read up on the meeting
[22:39] <ochosi> did anything noteworthy happen with regards to artwork?
[22:39] <charlie-tca> no, but I talked to thorwil in #ubuntu-artwork. He never got your email
[22:40] <ochosi> rly?
[22:40] <ochosi> weird
[22:40] <ochosi> maybe his isp blocked my address
[22:40] <charlie-tca> yeah, he is willing to discuss things, though. If we ever get you two together
[22:40] <ochosi> :)
[22:40] <ochosi> sure, we will
[22:42] <ochosi> hm, shouldn't the logs be here? http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/01/13/%23ubuntu-co-meeting.html
[22:42] <pleia2> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/01/13/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[22:42] <pleia2> no -co
[22:43] <ochosi> thanks pleia2 :)
[22:43] <pleia2> the footer on xubuntu.org has been updated to 2011!
[22:43]  * pleia2 makes progress :)
[22:43] <charlie-tca> Yay!
[22:43] <charlie-tca> gaining, a little bit at a time :-)
[22:43] <pleia2> am at work so I'll have to dig in more this evening
[22:44] <charlie-tca> Thanks for doing that
[22:44] <ochosi> great stuff pleia2 
[22:54] <ochosi> pleia2: does this mean we can also have up-to-date screenshots for natty? :D
[22:54] <charlie-tca> Hm, should we have them before the release?
[22:55] <ochosi> i don't see why not
[22:55] <ochosi> we could have them after alpha2
[22:55] <ochosi> cause then the new theme and all that should be set by default
[22:56] <charlie-tca> true, but we do have to remember the release is never final until we get there
[22:56] <pleia2> ochosi: yes :)
[22:56] <pleia2> what are the current ones? I can make some maverick ones if we think it's worth the time
[22:56] <ochosi> charlie-tca: sure, but i think screenshots could motivate people to do actual testing
[22:56] <charlie-tca> really? Then it would be good
[22:57] <ochosi> pleia2: hm, well yeah, the theme changed so maverick did look different
[22:57] <charlie-tca> Aren't the shots on there lucid now?
[22:57] <charlie-tca> dark background
[22:57] <pleia2> and need to fix the broken link on /help
[22:57] <ochosi> yeah, the screenshots are lucid, or at least that's what lucid looked like
[22:58] <ochosi> pleia2: still some time until natty gets released, maybe it's worth to update the shots
[22:58] <ochosi> pleia2: also (if you feel motivated): a "history" of xubuntu's look would be nice
[22:59] <pleia2> hmm, we could do that
[23:00] <ochosi> brb
[23:02]  * charlie-tca doesn't really know much about the website, but xubuntu never had the artwork close to ready so early in the cycle
[23:06] <ochosi> charlie-tca: i take that as a compliment ;)
[23:06] <ochosi> btw, are any of you using/testing natty currently?
[23:07] <ochosi> cause i can't reproduce the workspace-switcher bug beardygnome reported on the ml
[23:07] <charlie-tca> yes, I have natty installed
[23:07] <charlie-tca> that was in maverick, right/
[23:07] <ochosi> hm, he tested it in maverick?
[23:08] <charlie-tca> wait, was that the one about workspaces looking the same color as the panel?
[23:08] <ochosi> yes
[23:09] <charlie-tca> That's because if there are no launchers, the workspaces are the same color. There are lighter colored dividers between them, here
[23:09] <ochosi> if you look at this screenshot, the bg-color of the workspaces is slightly different from the panel: http://imagebin.org/132526
[23:09] <charlie-tca> oops
[23:10] <charlie-tca> I was wrong. If the workspaces in natty are a separate panel, it matches the top panel. If added to it, they are a lot darker than the panel
[23:10] <ochosi> it's maybe not extremely obvious, but in beardygnome's screenshot it looked different
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Could it be his monitor?
[23:10] <ochosi> charlie-tca: ok, thanks for testing! i'll reply back with the screenshot then
[23:10] <ochosi> hmm, good question. i guess he maybe didn't install the latest revision
[23:11] <charlie-tca> that image shows it darker, with the divider. What about a line on each end?
[23:12] <ochosi> it's annoying that the dictionary-plugin and the verve-plugin bugs are not fixed yet :( (and i'm not sure whether they're fixable from my side)
[23:12] <charlie-tca> I don't understand... If I can see a separate space, that usually works for me
[23:12] <charlie-tca> I thought verve was working now
[23:12] <ochosi> yeah, i think beardygnome would be fine with what we can see on the screenshot
[23:12] <ochosi> hm, well, verve has a weird bug
[23:12] <ochosi> it doesn't work when it has the focus 
[23:12] <ochosi> *the first time*
[23:13] <ochosi> after having lost the focus for the first time it works
[23:13] <charlie-tca> heh, not much use if it doesn't have focus, is it lol
[23:13] <ochosi> so i don't think i can fix it by theming it
[23:13] <ochosi> yeah :(
[23:13] <ochosi> but if i try to set the text-color to black it will look weird when you mark/highlight the text
[23:13] <ochosi> cause then it should be nearly white
[23:13] <charlie-tca> yeah
[23:14] <ochosi> but dict is even a bit more annoying, it doesn't even work the second time
[23:14] <charlie-tca> I know :-(
[23:14] <ochosi> i'll try to dip my toes into the source again
[23:14] <ochosi> but i can't promise anything
[23:14] <ochosi> might need some upstream-fix
[23:14] <charlie-tca> that's the one I use, too. Oh well, goes with the weather plugin, I guess
[23:15] <ochosi> not sure we'll get that in time for natty
[23:15] <charlie-tca> hm, we will just have to watch for the bug reports
[23:15] <ochosi> weather-plugin also doesn't work?
[23:15] <charlie-tca> no, it and the timer just remove themselves as soon as they are added
[23:15] <charlie-tca> that's upstream
[23:15] <ochosi> awwhh. i really loved and used that one
[23:17] <ochosi> xfce4-terminal still has that lousy vte-regression mr_pouit :/
[23:18] <ochosi> brb