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MamarokOK, that is lasting since several weeks now: I can't upgrade kdevelop to 4.1.80 due to missing libraries:00:12
Mamarokkdevelop : Depends: kdevplatform3-libs (>= 1.1.80) but it is not going to be installed00:13
Mamarokcurrently there is only kdevplatform2-libs00:13
Mamarokamd64 system on Maverick00:13
Riddellphononlogger: I went to a private school, my parents paid a lot of money to ensure I don't have a working class accent00:16
yofelMamarok: you do have the beta ppa enabled?00:16
Riddellafiestas: it's waiting on appmenu-qt getting a new review00:16
Riddellafiestas: it's a plugin system now to stop duplication of the library within qt00:16
afiestasRiddell: so everybody will be able to use it instead of wait until 4.8 ?00:17
RiddellMamarok: what happens if you apt-get install kdevplatform3-libs ?00:17
Riddellafiestas: it still needs qt to be patched, but the patch is now much smaller and it's the next step in getting the patch upstream00:17
afiestasnice, good work :D00:17
afiestasone more question, how can I remove the dpkg cache?00:18
afiestasI'm running short of hd :/00:18
yofelsudo apt-get clean00:18
MamarokRiddell: that worked :) But it should be the other way round, no?00:18
Riddellafiestas: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*00:18
RiddellMamarok: yes it should, I wish I knew why00:19
afiestasmmm there is something to install all KDE -dev dependencies?00:26
Riddellhow would you define all KDE -dev dependencies?00:28
Riddellapt-get build-dep kdeplasma-addons   might be a good way00:28
Riddellhmm, no sign of groo00:30
Riddellguess I should start packaging kdepim00:30
afiestasRiddell: all the -dev libs needed by kdebase, kdepim etc00:30
Riddellafiestas: apt-get build-dep kdebase/pim00:30
afiestaswell, kdebase is the hard one specially the:Compositing support  <http://www.x.org/>00:30
Riddellthen you mean kdebase-workspace00:31
Riddellyou can just  apt-get install kdebase-workspace-dev00:31
Riddell(annoyingly the kdebase of upstream isn't the kdebase given to distros)00:32
afiestaswhy is that?00:32
afiestasdo you mean that we work just with "kdebase" while distros has kdebase-workspace/runtime/apps ?00:32
Riddellright00:33
afiestas*distros have00:33
Riddellwhich is confusing00:33
afiestaswell, for 4.7 that should be fixed since the repos will be splitted when moving to git00:33
Riddellthat would be good00:33
afiestasgoing to sleep now (kdesrc will be working all night)00:35
afiestasgood night00:35
afiestasand thanks :p00:35
* yofel is off to bed too00:35
yofelRiddell: leave me your comments for tomorrow http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/sdk_diff.txt00:36
Riddelloh sorry yofel should have done that earlier.  I'll get to it00:36
yofelRiddell: in case you want to try it https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/staging/+packages00:36
yofelgood night00:36
phononloggerRiddell: that is nice00:50
phononloggerRiddell: though quite frankly I like that accent :)00:51
* phononlogger likes accents in general though00:51
phononloggeras I do like diversity00:51
* phononlogger snuggles with the Riddell00:52
Riddellmmm, snuggles00:54
phononloggerRiddell: how is dallas?01:00
Riddellcold01:03
RiddellI've heardly been out the hotel01:03
Riddellit's another of these stupidly large US cities where you can't go anywhere without a car01:03
phononlogger*nod*01:04
claydohthere are almost no large us cities where you don't need one01:06
* phononlogger adores public transport01:07
claydohof course most of us don't live in big cities01:08
phononloggerthough Graz, where I live, is like the second largest city in Austria, but only because it is rather large in terms of area, so it tends to be pretty unfortunate if you are living rather far away from the city center01:09
phononloggerso I would say public transportation here is a bit crapy01:10
claydohI must admit tho that my small city/ area has an Ok bus system fro the size of the area01:10
RiddellI think in Europe it works the other way, the larger the city the more difficult it is to use a car01:10
phononloggertakes me around 10 minutes to the next bus stop and then around 20 to get to the city center01:10
phononloggerRiddell: most definitely01:10
* phononlogger has yet to see a european city where that does not apply :D01:11
claydohwe just spread out too much, even in rural areas people live away from the city or town01:11
claydohI can actually walk from my town to the other end of the city next door in prob less tha 2 hours01:12
claydohtho there is nothing interesting at that end :)01:13
* phononlogger tends to walk about that amount of time when he is drunk in the middle of night getting kicked out of a pub ;)01:13
claydohhah01:13
claydohif I have a row with my wife, it is 1 hour 15 min walk home01:13
claydohfrom work01:14
claydohour busses don't run after 1700 iirc01:15
Riddellsounds like a cycleable distance01:15
phononlogger:O 170001:15
Riddellno busses in the evening?  that's crazy01:15
claydohit is, actually, though for me it is too  much uphil going to work, and I anm a fat guy01:15
phononloggertram runs until midnight, busses run unti 2:30 or so and tram starts again at 4:3001:16
claydohRiddell: rather small population, the whole area (1 city, 4 small towns) is less than 4500001:16
Riddellour tram is open 24 hours, trouble is the tram line is only 500 metres long01:17
phononloggeroy vey01:17
claydohand even thou it is an older area for the us, very little in the way of rail01:17
phononloggerRiddell: does that thing actually have much point?01:17
phononloggerclaydoh: that is way too funny, you consider 45000 small :D01:18
Riddellphononlogger: useful way to get rid of half a billion pounds?01:18
phononloggerthat is 200k more than Graz and half the sinhabitatns of vienna01:18
phononloggerRiddell: yeah, if one needs to get rid of it ... like if it is drug money or something?01:19
claydohphononlogger: for the us it is, and my numbers are just guesses my little town has 500001:19
claydohand includes a good sized raduis01:19
phononloggerthat is still more than where I grew up ... ~1200 :D01:20
claydohhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangor,_Maine01:20
claydohand I live here01:20
phononloggeractually I think that went up by 1k or so within the past couple of years01:20
phononloggerin Austria there are a lot of people moving from larger cities to the country side01:21
claydohhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewer,_Maine boy did I get the population wrong01:21
* phononlogger cannot reproduce that desire though01:21
phononloggerlol01:22
phononloggerclaydoh: well, 2000 is way old01:22
claydohphononlogger: 45000 not 450000 :)01:23
* phononlogger is all drunk01:23
phononloggerand I just took my last sip of wine01:24
claydohgraz is a huge city 01:24
claydohto me01:24
* phononlogger finds it small01:25
Riddellclaydoh: country bumpkin  :)01:25
phononloggerI am always surprised in how many people I run into01:25
claydohRiddell: you  bet :)01:25
* Riddell imagines claydoh chewing on a straw of hay01:25
claydohnaw, i am  NOT a redneck :)01:25
claydohwell maybe I could be01:26
phononloggerwhich reminds me of the dude in flordia01:26
Riddell"I've got a 55 and a 64"01:27
* phononlogger was feeling most uncomfortable not understanding a word of what he was talking about :D01:27
Riddell"Always got a beer in my hand"  I felt like pointing out that in civilised societies Bud Light is not considered to be beer01:27
Riddellbut that might have been snobby :)01:28
claydohlol01:28
phononloggerpossibly ^^01:28
claydohI hate beer, but even so bud light is silly01:28
claydohtho they can have funny commercials at times01:28
afiestasphononlogger: <video> html5 tag should work on 11.04 ?02:15
afiestasrekonq + phonon-gstreamer02:15
phononloggerpossibly02:15
phononloggerit technically should, as originally the phonon support was implemented wiht phonon-gstremer in mind02:17
phononloggerhavent tried it though02:17
cmaginaRiddell: ppa:craig.magina/ppa 02:17
Riddellworks for me, testing http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/html5.html02:17
phononlogger(form my perspective the phonon API needs major improvements to actually enable qtwebkit's use case though)02:18
phononloggerso if it works in 11.04 it will work awesomely in 11.10 ;)02:18
phononloggeror so I hope ;)02:18
afiestashttp://www.afiestas.org/ <--odd only works with the first video02:19
* phononlogger does the backend switching dance02:19
phononloggeroh02:19
phononloggerRiddell: either my vlc got changed or that patch is insufficient on maverick02:20
phononloggerjust crashed02:20
phononloggerregarding PA/vlc crash on exit02:20
Riddellafiestas: I agree, different formats?02:20
phononloggerafiestas: you mean starting them after each other?02:21
phononloggerworks on 10.1002:23
phononloggerso either pgst 4.4.4 fixes this or 11.04 has a bug there02:23
phononloggervolume change does not seem to work though02:23
Riddellsometimes the second video loads and sometimes not02:24
Riddellbreakage in qtwebkit maybe?02:24
* phononlogger reloads02:24
phononloggerRiddell: entirely possible02:25
afiestassame format (recordmydesktop)02:25
phononloggerthey have to pull all sorts of crappy tricks02:25
phononloggeras they are in a qgraphicsscene02:25
phononloggerbut phonon does not yet provide a qgraphicsitem02:25
phononloggervery sick code actually02:25
Riddelland this is using libqtmultimediakit1 not phonon remember02:25
phononloggerohhhhhhh02:25
Riddellso no blaming phononlogger allowed :)02:26
phononloggerRiddell: well, then build with phonon :P02:26
RiddellI don't think it can be any more02:26
phononloggershadeslayer is working on phonon in qtwebkit now02:26
phononloggerRiddell: the code for phonon has not been removed I understand02:26
phononloggeralso I have learned that they will use gsteramer directly02:26
phononloggerprobably they have realized that qtmm is utter crap and broken by design02:26
afiestaslol02:27
afiestasthis phonon/qtmm history is good enough to create a telenovela 02:27
afiestashttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telenovela <--02:27
afiestasxd02:27
phononloggerwell02:27
phononloggernot my fault that brisbane takes old shitty code and tries to sell it as new shitty code02:28
phononloggerafiestas: you better dont get j-b started on qtmm though02:28
afiestasxDD02:28
phononloggerhe might rant for a day and a half about in how many ways it is broken02:28
afiestasalso, would be possible to create a package for QtGst ?02:33
afiestashttp://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/qt-gstreamer/commit/ <-- first release02:33
afiestasthe final release should be within a week, so should be safe enough02:34
Riddellbecause we need another multimedia framework :)02:34
afiestasRiddell: it is a binding not a multimedia framework02:34
afiestasKubuntu is already using Gst as MM framework so... :p02:34
Riddellbecause we need another multimedia API :)02:34
afiestaswell, yes we do02:35
Riddellafiestas: first step is to file a needs-packaging bug02:35
afiestasafter a long thread in kde-multimedia seems that the general idea is: 1-Phonon for normal apps 2-QtGst for apps that need a full multimedia framework02:35
afiestasooks02:35
macooh well thats lovely. maverick boots to a black screen on my mom's computer02:37
macoi hear the kde startup sound02:38
maco(intel 865)02:38
* maco tries an ubuntu cd02:38
macosame. *sigh* 02:40
Riddellrelease party! http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/437602:45
afiestasRiddell: I'm surfing in circles 02:45
afiestasI went to launchpad, click on "Report a bug"02:45
afiestasthat redirected me to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs 02:45
macoafiestas: go to the source package you want to report on02:46
macooh wait nvm02:46
afiestaswhich  by clicking on a link move me to: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting02:46
afiestasI want a "needs-packaging" bug02:46
afiestaswhat is the package for that?02:46
macoyeah...doesnt the wiki give the how-to-avoid-redirect string?02:46
macoi think its ?no-redirect or something02:46
afiestashttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect oh :p02:47
afiestasthanks02:47
afiestasphononlogger: did you take a look at why k3b (and for what) is using qtmm ?02:48
macohrmph. at least kubuntu gets to the "start or install" screen. ubuntu just falls over02:50
afiestasmaco: try alt+shift+F1202:51
afiestas(disable composite) once you're in your black-kde desktop02:51
phononloggerafiestas: nope02:55
afiestasRiddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/702706 is that good enough? Or I should add more information?02:55
ubottuUbuntu bug 702706 in Ubuntu "QtGstreamer should be packaged" [Undecided,New]02:55
phononloggerbusy with 4.4.402:56
phononloggerand blogging02:56
macohrmm it didnt even ask "start or install" this time02:59
Riddellafiestas: I added the needs-packaging tag (also a kubuntu tag so we don't forget about it)03:01
Riddellthanks03:01
jjessehrmm interesting on my netbook running Natty i have no problems with rekonq but on my natty vm rekonq03:02
macoafiestas: oh wait i probably just wasnt watching and it counted down... the speakers are too shot to hear the login sound if im more than 60cm away03:02
macoafiestas: alt+shift+f12 did nothing. im trying to make an xorg.conf03:02
afiestasmaco: try by adding: export KWIN_COMPOSE=N in your bashrc03:03
macogot it!03:06
macorefresh rate was wrong03:06
macoi hit alt+f2 and blind-typed "xrandr --rate 60"03:06
macoit was trying to use 8503:06
Riddelljjesse: ...?03:14
jjesseRiddell:  on my netbook running natty i have no problems opening rekonq but on my vm every time i try to open it rekonq crashes03:14
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apparlehello guys, how to change the user agent of rekonq11:08
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steveireLooks like I've an issue with launchinh kontact after upgrading my 10.04 box: $ kontact14:11
steveirekontact: error while loading shared libraries: libkontactinterface.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory14:11
steveireCan I resolve that with a reinstall of some package?14:11
yofelsteveire: is libkontactinterface4 even installed?14:16
steveireI don't know.14:16
yofelsteveire: what does 'apt-cache policy libkontactinterface4' tell you as installed version?14:16
steveireInstalled: (none)14:17
steveireAnd actually I think I remember it getting removed when I upgraded.14:17
yofelinstall it14:17
steveireWhich package should I file a bug against?14:17
yofelactually, what version of kdepim do you use?14:18
steveireThis is 4.4.814:18
steveireActaully I think this is a ppa issue. It installed libkontactinterfaces and libakonadi-contact from a ppa I think14:19
steveirehttp://dpaste.com/316482/14:20
yofel[REMOVE, NOT USED] libkontactinterface414:23
yofelthat doesn't sound right...14:23
shadeslayerthat sounds horrible14:24
shadeslayersteveire: what do you use to upgrade?14:24
steveireaptitude 14:25
steveiredist-upgrdae I think14:25
steveirealias apup='sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade'14:25
yofelkontact 4.4.8 really doesn't depend on them o.O http://paste.ubuntu.com/554028/14:27
shadeslayeryofel: what the ... :O14:27
shadeslayersteveire: use apt-get dist-upgrade please :)14:28
shadeslayerinteresting how rekonq/konqueror dont send in proper user agents to launchpad14:30
shadeslayersteveire: tried out 4.4.9?14:31
shadeslayeryofel: fixed in 4.4.914:31
shadeslayerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/55402914:31
shadeslayersteveire: please install 4.4.914:32
steveireUse apt-get instead of aptitude? Why?14:33
yofel aptitude should work fine, but we test mostly with apt-get14:33
steveireHow do I install 4.4.9?14:34
shadeslayersteveire: install the kubuntu-ppa from launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa14:34
steveireI use aptitude for everything14:34
shadeslayerthe updates one14:34
yofelshadeslayer: there are no lucid packages I think there14:34
shadeslayeraptitude tries to be smart :P14:34
shadeslayerah14:34
yofel(at least I don't see them)14:34
shadeslayeryour using lucid14:34
shadeslayerno there arent14:34
shadeslayerand there wont be afaik14:34
yofelthis should get an SRU _fast_14:35
yofelScottK, Riddell: any plan to get 4.4.9 into lucid soon?14:36
shadeslayeryofel: id rather patch the 4.4.8 packages14:37
steveireI added deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu lucid main and tried upgrade and didn't get 4.4.914:37
shadeslayersteveire: yeah .. there are no 4.4.9 packages for kdepim for lucid14:37
steveireI think I'm supposed to be testing a release upgrade. That's why I upgraded to the latest packages in the first place14:37
steveireRiddell: What is it I need to do again?14:38
shadeslayerprobably enable updates and upgrade14:38
shadeslayeror are they still in proposed?14:38
* shadeslayer checks14:38
yofelnope, there are none14:39
yofelonly 4.4.8 in -updates14:39
shadeslayeryep14:39
yofeland yes, I hate you gcc http://paste.ubuntu.com/554032/14:39
steveirehttp://dpaste.com/316529/14:39
steveireSo I need to add that maverick ppa?14:39
yofelwait, that was about upgrading14:40
shadeslayerahhhh14:40
shadeslayerthats completely different14:40
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steveireYes, well before I tried out what I was supposed to try out, I ran my apup script, and then got busy with other things.14:42
shadeslayeryofel: hahaha :D14:42
shadeslayeryou need to fix them errors14:42
shadeslayersymbol errors14:42
Riddellmorning14:59
jjessemorning Riddell14:59
* shadeslayer waves to Riddell15:00
Riddellyofel: no we don't tend to do backports for lucid unless someone pays us15:00
yofelah ok15:01
shadeslayerRiddell++15:01
shadeslayerRiddell: btw .. booked tickets for India? :D15:02
Riddellgoing to talk to pradeepto first15:02
shadeslayerah ok15:03
Riddellsteveire: you want to add the updates maverick PPA then work out how to do the upgrade without it removing PPAs15:03
Riddelldeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu maverick main15:03
shadeslayerRiddell: iirc they are working on sponsorhsip docs 15:03
steveire" then work out how to do the upgrade without it removing PPAs"15:16
steveireAny idea what this will involve?15:16
Riddellsteveire: it needs something put into /etc, mvo was ment to add it to the bug, wait 15 minutes and I'll find him and poke him into doing that15:17
shadeslayerRiddell: http://paste.kde.org/~shadeslayer/2488/ << does that look a QWidget crash to you? or rekonq crash?15:18
RiddellWebTab::~WebTab (this=0x12c3fb0, __in_chrg=<value optimized out>) at /media/Data/rekonq/src/webtab.cpp:96   that'll be rekonq15:19
shadeslayeroh15:19
shadeslayeri cant really find anything at line 9615:20
shadeslayerits just a {15:20
shadeslayerhow can you crash at a '}' :P15:20
Riddellit's a destructor15:21
Riddellprobably something is being destructed that shouldn't be15:21
shadeslayerwell15:23
shadeslayerit clears the urlbar, delete's the kpart15:23
shadeslayerclears wallet bar15:23
CIA-39[muon] jmthomas * 1214408 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/updater/UpdaterWindow.cpp Fix the build.15:23
CIA-39[muon] jmthomas * 1214409 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/MainWindow.cpp Include cleanup15:24
CIA-39[muon] jmthomas * 1214410 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/DownloadModel/DownloadModel.h (log message trimmed)15:28
CIA-39A QVector is a more appropriate container in this case. Index lookup and15:28
CIA-39appending have the same algorithmic complexity, but since the PackageDetail15:28
Riddellhttp://effiejayx.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/alive-and-kicking/  a new Kubuntu fan amongst Ubuntu15:29
Riddellwonder how we can pull him in15:29
* shadeslayer looks15:31
shadeslayerkewl :D15:32
Riddellah, dpm, you wanted to talk this week about something15:55
Riddelltranslation templates being assigned to the right packages15:55
dpmRiddell, yeah, I haven't had the chance yet. Let me have a look at the imports queue and grab you some time this morning, will this work for you?15:56
dpmthanks for following up15:57
Riddelldpm: yep15:57
RiddellI think I have a meeting at 11:3015:57
* allee works on pkg for new kfritz 0.0.515:59
Riddellagateau: libdbusmenu-qt  uploaded16:02
agateauRiddell: ok thanks16:02
Riddellappmenu-qt also got past source new16:02
* agateau crosses is fingers it does not break the leaked thing16:02
CIA-39[muon] jmthomas * 1214420 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/config/ManagerSettingsDialog.h We don't care about the order of our items, so use the more efficient QSet16:05
Riddellsteveire: bug 680088 updated16:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 680088 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Upgrade fails "Can not mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade "" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68008816:11
Riddellso add the PPA  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu maverick main16:12
Riddelledit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades.d/uprades.cfg 16:12
Riddellthen follow the upgrade procedure https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu16:13
steveireThanks. Will maybe try it out later16:19
steveireStill catching up with stuff today. Haven't done any real work yet16:19
steveire:(16:19
ScottKyofel: We could do 4.4.9 on lucid if we had some testers.16:27
yofelah, can't help there I fear :/16:27
shadeslayerRiddell: any idea who Aleix Pol16:38
shadeslayeris16:38
Riddella KDE developer16:38
shadeslayerhis nick  :P16:39
Riddellapol?16:39
shadeslayerok16:39
Riddellsteveire: update, mvo patched the distupgrade tool, so if you follow the instructions on bug 680088 to test that would be lovely16:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 680088 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "Upgrade fails "Can not mark 'kubuntu-desktop' for upgrade "" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68008816:46
Riddellmgraesslin: is right mouse menus not appearing something I should poke my X people about?16:46
mgraesslindepends where it is happening, I would more bet on toolkit level16:48
Riddellwell it's a compositing thing, works fine when compositing is off.  it's not just right mouse menus, also drop down comboboxes16:48
mgraesslinthen it's most likely X, try update drivers, we had a report on it and confirmation that mesa 7.10 fixed it16:49
Riddellhmm, we only have 7.9, I'll ask them if they plan to upgrade16:50
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Riddellcmagina: any luck with the networkmanagement update?16:54
cmaginaRiddell: i found a bug about it on bugs.kde so i added the information i had, but haven't had a chance to do anything more with it16:55
Riddellgood start though, thanks16:56
debfxRiddell: I still need the signed amarok .changes file17:01
debfxhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/amarok_2.4.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes17:01
Riddelldebfx: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/amarok_2.4.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes17:03
Riddellhttp://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/amarok_2.4.0-0ubuntu1.dsc17:04
debfxthanks17:04
shadeslayerRiddell: around?17:49
shadeslayerphononlogger: CIA poke18:01
shadeslayerphononlogger: can you configure the CIA bot in Project neon to read from all our *-ubuntu bzr branches?18:12
shadeslayeri cant figure it out :/18:12
agateauRiddell: around?18:31
agateauRiddell: just released a new appmenu-qt to match the dbus domain change18:31
agateauRiddell: would be great if it could hit the archive today18:31
Riddellagateau: hi, I'll do that shortly18:46
Riddellshadeslayer: pong18:47
shadeslayerRiddell: do you have a idea how to make CIA read bzr commits from  our neon branches?18:48
RiddellI've never understood cia18:48
shadeslayer:P18:48
shadeslayeralso .. ive submitted the 2nd Neon talk18:48
shadeslayerRiddell: do you think adding a icon below the mouse would help ? : http://i.imgur.com/1p367.png18:49
shadeslayerlike a link opens in a new tab -> shows a icon below the mouse18:49
Riddellshadeslayer: seems like a sensible idea18:52
shadeslayerhmm18:53
shadeslayersomething is eating my CPU18:53
shadeslayerits ... KWin!!  :O18:53
shadeslayermgraesslin: ^18:54
shadeslayer16 % CPU18:54
Riddellmgraesslin: mesa 7.10 does indeed fix my menu issue, RAOF says it'll get into natty next week, yay for bugfixes :)19:00
* Riddell spots some interesting new libraries coming through natty-changes19:02
mgraesslinshadeslayer: try using the show paint effect19:07
shadeslayerlol everything is red19:08
shadeslayergreen19:08
shadeslayerviolet... blue .. what not19:08
shadeslayerhahahaha19:08
shadeslayerits a flipping disco in here19:08
shadeslayerso either i made rekonq crash or valgrind crash19:09
shadeslayerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/55412519:09
shadeslayerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/55412619:10
Daskreechmgraesslin: ping20:12
QuintasanScottK: ping20:14
agateauRiddell: new plasma-widget-menubar out, ready for the dbus domain change20:17
Riddellooh, exciting20:17
mgraesslinDaskreech: pong20:20
Daskreechmgraesslin: I have show paint on to enjoy a light show and I notice two things 20:20
* Riddell packages kdepim beta 420:20
QuintasanRiddell: Do you have any idea about python magic in packaging? I'm totally stuck20:21
Daskreechwhen there is a full screen static app (empty txt document) there are still lots of draws20:21
Daskreechis that normal?20:21
RiddellQuintasan: it's fiddly mainly because there are three different ways to do it20:21
mgraesslinif you have something in the background causing repaints: yes20:21
mgraessline.g. a plasmoid updating each second20:21
mgraesslinor an app on a different desktop20:21
DaskreechAh ok that explains the second thing then20:21
QuintasanRiddell: I have really no idea why one file is placed within two packages20:22
RiddellQuintasan: well that's just .install files like any other package surely20:22
DaskreechEverytime the emoticons in Kopete blink I get a little square updating even though it's under like 4 windows20:22
QuintasanRiddell: Well, I looked at that, but it's not that20:22
mgraesslinI want to look into the desktop to optimize it away20:22
RiddellQuintasan: I'd need to see the package to say more20:23
QuintasanRiddell: Okay, I'll upload in a second, I need to check if new python3-upload fixed something at all or not 20:24
DaskreechAnd that just took down KDE20:24
Riddellnixternal: kopete is a twitter app?20:24
Daskreechno until they turn back on Jabber support which they won't cause they are twits20:25
shadeslayermaco: so insanely right : http://www.thejuliagroup.com/blog/?p=103320:29
RiddellDaskreech: who? twitter?20:31
shadeslayerRiddell: _Groo_ was looking at beta 420:32
Riddellshadeslayer: yeah but he hasn't appeared for days20:32
shadeslayeryeah :(20:32
* shadeslayer needs to read about Casting in C++20:34
Riddellthere's about 5 different ways to do that20:35
shadeslayer:S20:35
shadeslayerRiddell: im reading Pointer Classes in Qt ..  8 of them20:36
shadeslayerjust got though 4 of them and at the end of the 4th it mentions casting... which i had on my todo list for about 3 weeks20:36
Riddellshadeslayer: this is why people use Python :)20:45
shadeslayerRiddell: ive heard that like 5 times today20:45
shadeslayertwice in #kde-in !20:45
shadeslayerRiddell: are you using rekonq right now?20:46
shadeslayermaco: also this makes for a good read : http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=101584320:46
Riddellshadeslayer: yes unless I need flash20:49
shadeslayerwhats the mem usage?20:49
* shadeslayer is noticing insanely high mem usages on rekonq git20:50
Riddell200MB 20:52
shadeslayer:S20:52
CIA-39[muon] jmthomas * 1214483 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/config/ (ManagerSettingsDialog.cpp ManagerSettingsDialog.h) Further changes for s/QList/QSet20:52
shadeslayerok back to pointers20:53
QuintasanRiddell: whatever, POX say he found yet another bug in dh_python321:29
shadeslayerlol21:34
shadeslayerQuintasan: dh_python fscked21:34
QuintasanPlease tell me when it IS NOT fscked21:35
QuintasanRiddell: sorry to bother you  -> we need one more sync -> http://alioth.debian.org/scm/loggerhead/pkg-python/python3-defaults-debian/changes21:56
ScottKQuintasan: Pong21:57
shadeslayeris that bzr? :O21:57
QuintasanScottK: Oh, I've got this stupid SIP magic sorted out halfway but POX says he found yet another bug in dh_python321:57
ScottKshadeslayer: dh_python is ancient and deprecated.  We're talking dh_python2 and 3 here.21:58
ScottKQuintasan: Good he's working on it then.21:58
QuintasanScottK: It turns out debian/rules was installing files into python-sip and simply disregarded python-sip.install :/21:58
ScottKAh.  Interesting.21:58
shadeslayerQuintasan: i got the kross binding building22:01
shadeslayerill do some more tomorrow22:01
QuintasanScottK: Well, I added install-arch-3.% to debian/rules to make it install the appropriate files but got another bug and POX just fixed it22:01
Quintasanshadeslayer: Awesome22:01
shadeslayerQuintasan: still needs newer falcon tho22:02
ScottKQuintasan: That's cool.  It'll be good to get the Python3 stuff worked out.22:02
shadeslayertho upstream says its really really not needed22:02
Quintasanshadeslayer: I ain't doing anything until I get rid of this madness22:02
shadeslayerhehe22:02
QuintasanScottK: Do you have the sync powers?22:02
shadeslayerQuintasan: we are now registered on cia.vc as well22:03
ScottKQuintasan: No.  Needs an archive admin with shell access.  That's not me.22:03
shadeslayerand have a CIA-89 bot ... which still needs configuring by persia22:03
shadeslayererm22:03
shadeslayeri mean phononlogger22:03
QuintasanOh, I'll just wait for Riddell and replace the files manually22:03
RiddellQuintasan: I need a bug for syncs from debian, the script requires it22:04
QuintasanOh, I keep forgetting this :/22:05
QuintasanRiddell: can we import changes directly form this branch or we need to wait for this to appear in experimental22:07
shadeslayerugh22:08
shadeslayerpykde wants nepomuk22:08
RiddellQuintasan: for a sync it need to be in debian's archive22:09
RiddellQuintasan: but we can upload the package with the patch ourselves22:09
Riddellif you prepare the package I can upload it easily enough22:09
QuintasanOh, I'll do this tomorrow22:09
shadeslayerim sleeping as well 22:11
shadeslayercya22:11
Riddellshadeslayer sleeps?22:12
shadeslayerRiddell: only at 4 AM22:12
QuintasanThat's news to me22:12
shadeslayerits the curse of kdebindings22:12
QuintasanRiddell: Oh wait, it's just a patch, mind sticking around a little bit more? I'll get it ready22:13
RiddellQuintasan: I'm not going to sleep, it's only 4 in the afternoon22:15
QuintasanOh, It's 23:15 here :P22:16
ScottKRiddell: I covered the release meeting today.22:17
ScottKDidn't say much other than 4.6.0 real soon now.22:17
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RiddellScottK: thanks for that, I didn't expect it to happen since 90% of the people are in the same building22:19
ScottKYou're welcome.22:19
QuintasanWhat the hell22:23
Riddellhttp://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-41222:30
QuintasanRiddell: Is it normal for debuild -S to overwrite my changes in debian/control?22:33
ScottKQuintasan: It is if there's a debian/control.in.22:33
Quintasanoh there is22:34
QuintasanDo I change the control.in file?22:34
ScottKYes.22:34
Riddellmany people disapprove of such setups but some packagers insist on using them anyway22:35
CIA-39[muon] jmthomas * 1214498 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/README Add more licensing detail about moo.ogg.22:51
QuintasanRiddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/python/22:57
Riddellthis is interesting https://launchpad.net/~unity-2d-team/+archive/unity-2d-daily/+packages22:59
JontheEchidna^That hit planet kde before we knew about it :s22:59
QuintasanAnd it is probably as good as Firefox Qt [trollface[23:00
Quintasan]*23:00
ulyssesthe whole unity is as good as Firefox Qt23:00
ScottKQuintasan: It's not a set of patches I don't think, it's a complete re-implementation in Qt.23:04
QuintasanScottK: I always though Canonical thought GTK is superior to everything. Why did they suddenly rewrite it in Qt? Makes no sense to me23:05
ScottKQuintasan: Maybe they've seen the light.  Qt is the future and Gtk is dea.23:06
ScottKd23:06
Tscheesysry.. - this is from Canonical itself?23:06
ScottKYes23:06
QuintasanI doubt it, if they did you would be already drvining in a new Porche ScottK :)23:06
Quintasandriving*23:06
ScottKNah.  My Mercedes suites me better.  Can't haul kids in the back of a Porsche.23:07
QuintasanThen what about a new shiny Mercedes?23:07
RiddellQuintasan: expect more blogs from canonical people soon about how Qt is welcome in Ubuntu Desktop23:07
QuintasanQT EVERYWHERE!23:08
* JontheEchidna wonders if there will be job postings for Qt developers in the future23:08
Riddelldunno, it's an OEM project so look out for their job postings I guess23:09
Riddellwhy does muon need moo.ogg ? :)23:09
ScottKRiddell: My guess would be it's related to super cow powers.23:10
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JontheEchidnamayhaps muon contains a sekret little easter egg :)23:10
JontheEchidnaI think that's a requirement for all applications using libapt-pkg23:11
QuintasanIt's not madness23:11
QuintasanIt's mooooooooooooooooonesssssssssssssssss23:11
Tscheesymaybe its just a bug...23:11
QuintasanRiddell: Are those files enough or I have to upload something else?23:16
RiddellQuintasan: you packaged it with a .orig.tar.gz but that package has no .orig23:17
QuintasanOh god I knew the hour it totally wrong for me to do anything23:18
QuintasanRiddell: I reuploaded them, please redownload and check them, if they are no good then I will postpone it till tomorrow23:22
Riddelllooking23:23
Riddellhi effie-jayx, nice blog today :)23:28
RiddellQuintasan: that patch doesn't get applied23:33
Riddellyou need to do more than add quilt as a build-depend, you need to have a way for it to be applied23:34
Quintasanurgh, this is not source 3.0, I totally missed it, let me get some sleep :S23:34
Riddellso adding a QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt push -a  somewhere in debian/rules23:34
RiddellI'll be offline this weekend, flying over the sea, but someone will be around to upload23:35
QuintasanNight.23:38
RiddellScottK: do you know where the files for getting into kubuntu-dev are written?  I can't find the wiki page23:38
Riddells/files/rules/23:39
kubotuRiddell meant: "ScottK: do you know where the rules for getting into kubuntu-dev are written?  I can't find the wiki page"23:39
JontheEchidnahaha23:39
JontheEchidnas/haha/awesome23:39
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Riddells/haha/awesome/23:39
kubotuRiddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"23:39

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