[00:12] <Mamarok> OK, that is lasting since several weeks now: I can't upgrade kdevelop to 4.1.80 due to missing libraries:
[00:13] <Mamarok> kdevelop : Depends: kdevplatform3-libs (>= 1.1.80) but it is not going to be installed
[00:13] <Mamarok> currently there is only kdevplatform2-libs
[00:13] <Mamarok> amd64 system on Maverick
[00:16] <Riddell> phononlogger: I went to a private school, my parents paid a lot of money to ensure I don't have a working class accent
[00:16] <yofel> Mamarok: you do have the beta ppa enabled?
[00:16] <Riddell> afiestas: it's waiting on appmenu-qt getting a new review
[00:16] <Riddell> afiestas: it's a plugin system now to stop duplication of the library within qt
[00:17] <afiestas> Riddell: so everybody will be able to use it instead of wait until 4.8 ?
[00:17] <Riddell> Mamarok: what happens if you apt-get install kdevplatform3-libs ?
[00:17] <Riddell> afiestas: it still needs qt to be patched, but the patch is now much smaller and it's the next step in getting the patch upstream
[00:17] <afiestas> nice, good work :D
[00:18] <afiestas> one more question, how can I remove the dpkg cache?
[00:18] <afiestas> I'm running short of hd :/
[00:18] <yofel> sudo apt-get clean
[00:18] <Mamarok> Riddell: that worked :) But it should be the other way round, no?
[00:18] <Riddell> afiestas: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*
[00:19] <Riddell> Mamarok: yes it should, I wish I knew why
[00:26] <afiestas> mmm there is something to install all KDE -dev dependencies?
[00:28] <Riddell> how would you define all KDE -dev dependencies?
[00:28] <Riddell> apt-get build-dep kdeplasma-addons   might be a good way
[00:30] <Riddell> hmm, no sign of groo
[00:30] <Riddell> guess I should start packaging kdepim
[00:30] <afiestas> Riddell: all the -dev libs needed by kdebase, kdepim etc
[00:30] <Riddell> afiestas: apt-get build-dep kdebase/pim
[00:30] <afiestas> well, kdebase is the hard one specially the:Compositing support  <http://www.x.org/>
[00:31] <Riddell> then you mean kdebase-workspace
[00:31] <Riddell> you can just  apt-get install kdebase-workspace-dev
[00:32] <Riddell> (annoyingly the kdebase of upstream isn't the kdebase given to distros)
[00:32] <afiestas> why is that?
[00:32] <afiestas> do you mean that we work just with "kdebase" while distros has kdebase-workspace/runtime/apps ?
[00:33] <Riddell> right
[00:33] <afiestas> *distros have
[00:33] <Riddell> which is confusing
[00:33] <afiestas> well, for 4.7 that should be fixed since the repos will be splitted when moving to git
[00:33] <Riddell> that would be good
[00:35] <afiestas> going to sleep now (kdesrc will be working all night)
[00:35] <afiestas> good night
[00:35] <afiestas> and thanks :p
[00:35]  * yofel is off to bed too
[00:36] <yofel> Riddell: leave me your comments for tomorrow http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/sdk_diff.txt
[00:36] <Riddell> oh sorry yofel should have done that earlier.  I'll get to it
[00:36] <yofel> Riddell: in case you want to try it https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/staging/+packages
[00:36] <yofel> good night
[00:50] <phononlogger> Riddell: that is nice
[00:51] <phononlogger> Riddell: though quite frankly I like that accent :)
[00:51]  * phononlogger likes accents in general though
[00:51] <phononlogger> as I do like diversity
[00:52]  * phononlogger snuggles with the Riddell
[00:54] <Riddell> mmm, snuggles
[01:00] <phononlogger> Riddell: how is dallas?
[01:03] <Riddell> cold
[01:03] <Riddell> I've heardly been out the hotel
[01:03] <Riddell> it's another of these stupidly large US cities where you can't go anywhere without a car
[01:04] <phononlogger> *nod*
[01:06] <claydoh> there are almost no large us cities where you don't need one
[01:07]  * phononlogger adores public transport
[01:08] <claydoh> of course most of us don't live in big cities
[01:09] <phononlogger> though Graz, where I live, is like the second largest city in Austria, but only because it is rather large in terms of area, so it tends to be pretty unfortunate if you are living rather far away from the city center
[01:10] <phononlogger> so I would say public transportation here is a bit crapy
[01:10] <claydoh> I must admit tho that my small city/ area has an Ok bus system fro the size of the area
[01:10] <Riddell> I think in Europe it works the other way, the larger the city the more difficult it is to use a car
[01:10] <phononlogger> takes me around 10 minutes to the next bus stop and then around 20 to get to the city center
[01:10] <phononlogger> Riddell: most definitely
[01:11]  * phononlogger has yet to see a european city where that does not apply :D
[01:11] <claydoh> we just spread out too much, even in rural areas people live away from the city or town
[01:12] <claydoh> I can actually walk from my town to the other end of the city next door in prob less tha 2 hours
[01:13] <claydoh> tho there is nothing interesting at that end :)
[01:13]  * phononlogger tends to walk about that amount of time when he is drunk in the middle of night getting kicked out of a pub ;)
[01:13] <claydoh> hah
[01:13] <claydoh> if I have a row with my wife, it is 1 hour 15 min walk home
[01:14] <claydoh> from work
[01:15] <claydoh> our busses don't run after 1700 iirc
[01:15] <Riddell> sounds like a cycleable distance
[01:15] <phononlogger> :O 1700
[01:15] <Riddell> no busses in the evening?  that's crazy
[01:15] <claydoh> it is, actually, though for me it is too  much uphil going to work, and I anm a fat guy
[01:16] <phononlogger> tram runs until midnight, busses run unti 2:30 or so and tram starts again at 4:30
[01:16] <claydoh> Riddell: rather small population, the whole area (1 city, 4 small towns) is less than 45000
[01:17] <Riddell> our tram is open 24 hours, trouble is the tram line is only 500 metres long
[01:17] <phononlogger> oy vey
[01:17] <claydoh> and even thou it is an older area for the us, very little in the way of rail
[01:17] <phononlogger> Riddell: does that thing actually have much point?
[01:18] <phononlogger> claydoh: that is way too funny, you consider 45000 small :D
[01:18] <Riddell> phononlogger: useful way to get rid of half a billion pounds?
[01:18] <phononlogger> that is 200k more than Graz and half the sinhabitatns of vienna
[01:19] <phononlogger> Riddell: yeah, if one needs to get rid of it ... like if it is drug money or something?
[01:19] <claydoh> phononlogger: for the us it is, and my numbers are just guesses my little town has 5000
[01:19] <claydoh> and includes a good sized raduis
[01:20] <phononlogger> that is still more than where I grew up ... ~1200 :D
[01:20] <claydoh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangor,_Maine
[01:20] <claydoh> and I live here
[01:20] <phononlogger> actually I think that went up by 1k or so within the past couple of years
[01:21] <phononlogger> in Austria there are a lot of people moving from larger cities to the country side
[01:21] <claydoh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewer,_Maine boy did I get the population wrong
[01:21]  * phononlogger cannot reproduce that desire though
[01:22] <phononlogger> lol
[01:22] <phononlogger> claydoh: well, 2000 is way old
[01:23] <claydoh> phononlogger: 45000 not 450000 :)
[01:23]  * phononlogger is all drunk
[01:24] <phononlogger> and I just took my last sip of wine
[01:24] <claydoh> graz is a huge city 
[01:24] <claydoh> to me
[01:25]  * phononlogger finds it small
[01:25] <Riddell> claydoh: country bumpkin  :)
[01:25] <phononlogger> I am always surprised in how many people I run into
[01:25] <claydoh> Riddell: you  bet :)
[01:25]  * Riddell imagines claydoh chewing on a straw of hay
[01:25] <claydoh> naw, i am  NOT a redneck :)
[01:26] <claydoh> well maybe I could be
[01:26] <phononlogger> which reminds me of the dude in flordia
[01:27] <Riddell> "I've got a 55 and a 64"
[01:27]  * phononlogger was feeling most uncomfortable not understanding a word of what he was talking about :D
[01:27] <Riddell> "Always got a beer in my hand"  I felt like pointing out that in civilised societies Bud Light is not considered to be beer
[01:28] <Riddell> but that might have been snobby :)
[01:28] <claydoh> lol
[01:28] <phononlogger> possibly ^^
[01:28] <claydoh> I hate beer, but even so bud light is silly
[01:28] <claydoh> tho they can have funny commercials at times
[02:15] <afiestas> phononlogger: <video> html5 tag should work on 11.04 ?
[02:15] <afiestas> rekonq + phonon-gstreamer
[02:15] <phononlogger> possibly
[02:17] <phononlogger> it technically should, as originally the phonon support was implemented wiht phonon-gstremer in mind
[02:17] <phononlogger> havent tried it though
[02:17] <cmagina> Riddell: ppa:craig.magina/ppa 
[02:17] <Riddell> works for me, testing http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/html5.html
[02:18] <phononlogger> (form my perspective the phonon API needs major improvements to actually enable qtwebkit's use case though)
[02:18] <phononlogger> so if it works in 11.04 it will work awesomely in 11.10 ;)
[02:18] <phononlogger> or so I hope ;)
[02:19] <afiestas> http://www.afiestas.org/ <--odd only works with the first video
[02:19]  * phononlogger does the backend switching dance
[02:19] <phononlogger> oh
[02:20] <phononlogger> Riddell: either my vlc got changed or that patch is insufficient on maverick
[02:20] <phononlogger> just crashed
[02:20] <phononlogger> regarding PA/vlc crash on exit
[02:20] <Riddell> afiestas: I agree, different formats?
[02:21] <phononlogger> afiestas: you mean starting them after each other?
[02:23] <phononlogger> works on 10.10
[02:23] <phononlogger> so either pgst 4.4.4 fixes this or 11.04 has a bug there
[02:23] <phononlogger> volume change does not seem to work though
[02:24] <Riddell> sometimes the second video loads and sometimes not
[02:24] <Riddell> breakage in qtwebkit maybe?
[02:24]  * phononlogger reloads
[02:25] <phononlogger> Riddell: entirely possible
[02:25] <afiestas> same format (recordmydesktop)
[02:25] <phononlogger> they have to pull all sorts of crappy tricks
[02:25] <phononlogger> as they are in a qgraphicsscene
[02:25] <phononlogger> but phonon does not yet provide a qgraphicsitem
[02:25] <phononlogger> very sick code actually
[02:25] <Riddell> and this is using libqtmultimediakit1 not phonon remember
[02:25] <phononlogger> ohhhhhhh
[02:26] <Riddell> so no blaming phononlogger allowed :)
[02:26] <phononlogger> Riddell: well, then build with phonon :P
[02:26] <Riddell> I don't think it can be any more
[02:26] <phononlogger> shadeslayer is working on phonon in qtwebkit now
[02:26] <phononlogger> Riddell: the code for phonon has not been removed I understand
[02:26] <phononlogger> also I have learned that they will use gsteramer directly
[02:26] <phononlogger> probably they have realized that qtmm is utter crap and broken by design
[02:27] <afiestas> lol
[02:27] <afiestas> this phonon/qtmm history is good enough to create a telenovela 
[02:27] <afiestas> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telenovela <--
[02:27] <afiestas> xd
[02:27] <phononlogger> well
[02:28] <phononlogger> not my fault that brisbane takes old shitty code and tries to sell it as new shitty code
[02:28] <phononlogger> afiestas: you better dont get j-b started on qtmm though
[02:28] <afiestas> xDD
[02:28] <phononlogger> he might rant for a day and a half about in how many ways it is broken
[02:33] <afiestas> also, would be possible to create a package for QtGst ?
[02:33] <afiestas> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/qt-gstreamer/commit/ <-- first release
[02:34] <afiestas> the final release should be within a week, so should be safe enough
[02:34] <Riddell> because we need another multimedia framework :)
[02:34] <afiestas> Riddell: it is a binding not a multimedia framework
[02:34] <afiestas> Kubuntu is already using Gst as MM framework so... :p
[02:34] <Riddell> because we need another multimedia API :)
[02:35] <afiestas> well, yes we do
[02:35] <Riddell> afiestas: first step is to file a needs-packaging bug
[02:35] <afiestas> after a long thread in kde-multimedia seems that the general idea is: 1-Phonon for normal apps 2-QtGst for apps that need a full multimedia framework
[02:35] <afiestas> ooks
[02:37] <maco> oh well thats lovely. maverick boots to a black screen on my mom's computer
[02:38] <maco> i hear the kde startup sound
[02:38] <maco> (intel 865)
[02:38]  * maco tries an ubuntu cd
[02:40] <maco> same. *sigh* 
[02:45] <Riddell> release party! http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4376
[02:45] <afiestas> Riddell: I'm surfing in circles 
[02:45] <afiestas> I went to launchpad, click on "Report a bug"
[02:45] <afiestas> that redirected me to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs 
[02:46] <maco> afiestas: go to the source package you want to report on
[02:46] <maco> oh wait nvm
[02:46] <afiestas> which  by clicking on a link move me to: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs/Reporting
[02:46] <afiestas> I want a "needs-packaging" bug
[02:46] <afiestas> what is the package for that?
[02:46] <maco> yeah...doesnt the wiki give the how-to-avoid-redirect string?
[02:46] <maco> i think its ?no-redirect or something
[02:47] <afiestas> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug/?no-redirect oh :p
[02:47] <afiestas> thanks
[02:48] <afiestas> phononlogger: did you take a look at why k3b (and for what) is using qtmm ?
[02:50] <maco> hrmph. at least kubuntu gets to the "start or install" screen. ubuntu just falls over
[02:51] <afiestas> maco: try alt+shift+F12
[02:51] <afiestas> (disable composite) once you're in your black-kde desktop
[02:55] <phononlogger> afiestas: nope
[02:55] <afiestas> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/702706 is that good enough? Or I should add more information?
[02:56] <phononlogger> busy with 4.4.4
[02:56] <phononlogger> and blogging
[02:59] <maco> hrmm it didnt even ask "start or install" this time
[03:01] <Riddell> afiestas: I added the needs-packaging tag (also a kubuntu tag so we don't forget about it)
[03:01] <Riddell> thanks
[03:02] <jjesse> hrmm interesting on my netbook running Natty i have no problems with rekonq but on my natty vm rekonq
[03:02] <maco> afiestas: oh wait i probably just wasnt watching and it counted down... the speakers are too shot to hear the login sound if im more than 60cm away
[03:02] <maco> afiestas: alt+shift+f12 did nothing. im trying to make an xorg.conf
[03:03] <afiestas> maco: try by adding: export KWIN_COMPOSE=N in your bashrc
[03:06] <maco> got it!
[03:06] <maco> refresh rate was wrong
[03:06] <maco> i hit alt+f2 and blind-typed "xrandr --rate 60"
[03:06] <maco> it was trying to use 85
[03:14] <Riddell> jjesse: ...?
[03:14] <jjesse> Riddell:  on my netbook running natty i have no problems opening rekonq but on my vm every time i try to open it rekonq crashes
[11:08] <apparle> hello guys, how to change the user agent of rekonq
[14:11] <steveire> Looks like I've an issue with launchinh kontact after upgrading my 10.04 box: $ kontact
[14:11] <steveire> kontact: error while loading shared libraries: libkontactinterface.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[14:11] <steveire> Can I resolve that with a reinstall of some package?
[14:16] <yofel> steveire: is libkontactinterface4 even installed?
[14:16] <steveire> I don't know.
[14:16] <yofel> steveire: what does 'apt-cache policy libkontactinterface4' tell you as installed version?
[14:17] <steveire> Installed: (none)
[14:17] <steveire> And actually I think I remember it getting removed when I upgraded.
[14:17] <yofel> install it
[14:17] <steveire> Which package should I file a bug against?
[14:18] <yofel> actually, what version of kdepim do you use?
[14:18] <steveire> This is 4.4.8
[14:19] <steveire> Actaully I think this is a ppa issue. It installed libkontactinterfaces and libakonadi-contact from a ppa I think
[14:20] <steveire> http://dpaste.com/316482/
[14:23] <yofel> [REMOVE, NOT USED] libkontactinterface4
[14:23] <yofel> that doesn't sound right...
[14:24] <shadeslayer> that sounds horrible
[14:24] <shadeslayer> steveire: what do you use to upgrade?
[14:25] <steveire> aptitude 
[14:25] <steveire> dist-upgrdae I think
[14:25] <steveire> alias apup='sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade'
[14:27] <yofel> kontact 4.4.8 really doesn't depend on them o.O http://paste.ubuntu.com/554028/
[14:27] <shadeslayer> yofel: what the ... :O
[14:28] <shadeslayer> steveire: use apt-get dist-upgrade please :)
[14:30] <shadeslayer> interesting how rekonq/konqueror dont send in proper user agents to launchpad
[14:31] <shadeslayer> steveire: tried out 4.4.9?
[14:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: fixed in 4.4.9
[14:31] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/554029
[14:32] <shadeslayer> steveire: please install 4.4.9
[14:33] <steveire> Use apt-get instead of aptitude? Why?
[14:33] <yofel>  aptitude should work fine, but we test mostly with apt-get
[14:34] <steveire> How do I install 4.4.9?
[14:34] <shadeslayer> steveire: install the kubuntu-ppa from launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa
[14:34] <steveire> I use aptitude for everything
[14:34] <shadeslayer> the updates one
[14:34] <yofel> shadeslayer: there are no lucid packages I think there
[14:34] <shadeslayer> aptitude tries to be smart :P
[14:34] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:34] <yofel> (at least I don't see them)
[14:34] <shadeslayer> your using lucid
[14:34] <shadeslayer> no there arent
[14:34] <shadeslayer> and there wont be afaik
[14:35] <yofel> this should get an SRU _fast_
[14:36] <yofel> ScottK, Riddell: any plan to get 4.4.9 into lucid soon?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: id rather patch the 4.4.8 packages
[14:37] <steveire> I added deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu lucid main and tried upgrade and didn't get 4.4.9
[14:37] <shadeslayer> steveire: yeah .. there are no 4.4.9 packages for kdepim for lucid
[14:37] <steveire> I think I'm supposed to be testing a release upgrade. That's why I upgraded to the latest packages in the first place
[14:38] <steveire> Riddell: What is it I need to do again?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> probably enable updates and upgrade
[14:38] <shadeslayer> or are they still in proposed?
[14:38]  * shadeslayer checks
[14:39] <yofel> nope, there are none
[14:39] <yofel> only 4.4.8 in -updates
[14:39] <shadeslayer> yep
[14:39] <yofel> and yes, I hate you gcc http://paste.ubuntu.com/554032/
[14:39] <steveire> http://dpaste.com/316529/
[14:39] <steveire> So I need to add that maverick ppa?
[14:40] <yofel> wait, that was about upgrading
[14:40] <shadeslayer> ahhhh
[14:40] <shadeslayer> thats completely different
[14:42] <steveire> Yes, well before I tried out what I was supposed to try out, I ran my apup script, and then got busy with other things.
[14:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: hahaha :D
[14:42] <shadeslayer> you need to fix them errors
[14:42] <shadeslayer> symbol errors
[14:59] <Riddell> morning
[14:59] <jjesse> morning Riddell
[15:00]  * shadeslayer waves to Riddell
[15:00] <Riddell> yofel: no we don't tend to do backports for lucid unless someone pays us
[15:01] <yofel> ah ok
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell++
[15:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw .. booked tickets for India? :D
[15:02] <Riddell> going to talk to pradeepto first
[15:03] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[15:03] <Riddell> steveire: you want to add the updates maverick PPA then work out how to do the upgrade without it removing PPAs
[15:03] <Riddell> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: iirc they are working on sponsorhsip docs 
[15:16] <steveire> " then work out how to do the upgrade without it removing PPAs"
[15:16] <steveire> Any idea what this will involve?
[15:17] <Riddell> steveire: it needs something put into /etc, mvo was ment to add it to the bug, wait 15 minutes and I'll find him and poke him into doing that
[15:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/~shadeslayer/2488/ << does that look a QWidget crash to you? or rekonq crash?
[15:19] <Riddell> WebTab::~WebTab (this=0x12c3fb0, __in_chrg=<value optimized out>) at /media/Data/rekonq/src/webtab.cpp:96   that'll be rekonq
[15:19] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:20] <shadeslayer> i cant really find anything at line 96
[15:20] <shadeslayer> its just a {
[15:20] <shadeslayer> how can you crash at a '}' :P
[15:21] <Riddell> it's a destructor
[15:21] <Riddell> probably something is being destructed that shouldn't be
[15:23] <shadeslayer> well
[15:23] <shadeslayer> it clears the urlbar, delete's the kpart
[15:23] <shadeslayer> clears wallet bar
[15:23] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1214408 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/updater/UpdaterWindow.cpp Fix the build.
[15:24] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1214409 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/MainWindow.cpp Include cleanup
[15:28] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1214410 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/DownloadModel/DownloadModel.h (log message trimmed)
[15:28] <CIA-39> A QVector is a more appropriate container in this case. Index lookup and
[15:28] <CIA-39> appending have the same algorithmic complexity, but since the PackageDetail
[15:29] <Riddell> http://effiejayx.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/alive-and-kicking/  a new Kubuntu fan amongst Ubuntu
[15:29] <Riddell> wonder how we can pull him in
[15:31]  * shadeslayer looks
[15:32] <shadeslayer> kewl :D
[15:55] <Riddell> ah, dpm, you wanted to talk this week about something
[15:55] <Riddell> translation templates being assigned to the right packages
[15:56] <dpm> Riddell, yeah, I haven't had the chance yet. Let me have a look at the imports queue and grab you some time this morning, will this work for you?
[15:57] <dpm> thanks for following up
[15:57] <Riddell> dpm: yep
[15:57] <Riddell> I think I have a meeting at 11:30
[15:59]  * allee works on pkg for new kfritz 0.0.5
[16:02] <Riddell> agateau: libdbusmenu-qt  uploaded
[16:02] <agateau> Riddell: ok thanks
[16:02] <Riddell> appmenu-qt also got past source new
[16:02]  * agateau crosses is fingers it does not break the leaked thing
[16:05] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1214420 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/config/ManagerSettingsDialog.h We don't care about the order of our items, so use the more efficient QSet
[16:11] <Riddell> steveire: bug 680088 updated
[16:12] <Riddell> so add the PPA  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
[16:12] <Riddell> edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades.d/uprades.cfg 
[16:13] <Riddell> then follow the upgrade procedure https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades/Kubuntu
[16:19] <steveire> Thanks. Will maybe try it out later
[16:19] <steveire> Still catching up with stuff today. Haven't done any real work yet
[16:19] <steveire> :(
[16:27] <ScottK> yofel: We could do 4.4.9 on lucid if we had some testers.
[16:27] <yofel> ah, can't help there I fear :/
[16:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any idea who Aleix Pol
[16:38] <shadeslayer> is
[16:38] <Riddell> a KDE developer
[16:39] <shadeslayer> his nick  :P
[16:39] <Riddell> apol?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:46] <Riddell> steveire: update, mvo patched the distupgrade tool, so if you follow the instructions on bug 680088 to test that would be lovely
[16:46] <Riddell> mgraesslin: is right mouse menus not appearing something I should poke my X people about?
[16:48] <mgraesslin> depends where it is happening, I would more bet on toolkit level
[16:48] <Riddell> well it's a compositing thing, works fine when compositing is off.  it's not just right mouse menus, also drop down comboboxes
[16:49] <mgraesslin> then it's most likely X, try update drivers, we had a report on it and confirmation that mesa 7.10 fixed it
[16:50] <Riddell> hmm, we only have 7.9, I'll ask them if they plan to upgrade
[16:54] <Riddell> cmagina: any luck with the networkmanagement update?
[16:55] <cmagina> Riddell: i found a bug about it on bugs.kde so i added the information i had, but haven't had a chance to do anything more with it
[16:56] <Riddell> good start though, thanks
[17:01] <debfx> Riddell: I still need the signed amarok .changes file
[17:01] <debfx> http://people.ubuntu.com/~debfx/amarok_2.4.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[17:03] <Riddell> debfx: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/amarok_2.4.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes
[17:04] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/amarok_2.4.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[17:04] <debfx> thanks
[17:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: around?
[18:01] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: CIA poke
[18:12] <shadeslayer> phononlogger: can you configure the CIA bot in Project neon to read from all our *-ubuntu bzr branches?
[18:12] <shadeslayer> i cant figure it out :/
[18:31] <agateau> Riddell: around?
[18:31] <agateau> Riddell: just released a new appmenu-qt to match the dbus domain change
[18:31] <agateau> Riddell: would be great if it could hit the archive today
[18:46] <Riddell> agateau: hi, I'll do that shortly
[18:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: pong
[18:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you have a idea how to make CIA read bzr commits from  our neon branches?
[18:48] <Riddell> I've never understood cia
[18:48] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:48] <shadeslayer> also .. ive submitted the 2nd Neon talk
[18:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you think adding a icon below the mouse would help ? : http://i.imgur.com/1p367.png
[18:49] <shadeslayer> like a link opens in a new tab -> shows a icon below the mouse
[18:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: seems like a sensible idea
[18:53] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:53] <shadeslayer> something is eating my CPU
[18:53] <shadeslayer> its ... KWin!!  :O
[18:54] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: ^
[18:54] <shadeslayer> 16 % CPU
[19:00] <Riddell> mgraesslin: mesa 7.10 does indeed fix my menu issue, RAOF says it'll get into natty next week, yay for bugfixes :)
[19:02]  * Riddell spots some interesting new libraries coming through natty-changes
[19:07] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: try using the show paint effect
[19:08] <shadeslayer> lol everything is red
[19:08] <shadeslayer> green
[19:08] <shadeslayer> violet... blue .. what not
[19:08] <shadeslayer> hahahaha
[19:08] <shadeslayer> its a flipping disco in here
[19:09] <shadeslayer> so either i made rekonq crash or valgrind crash
[19:09] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/554125
[19:10] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/554126
[20:12] <Daskreech> mgraesslin: ping
[20:14] <Quintasan> ScottK: ping
[20:17] <agateau> Riddell: new plasma-widget-menubar out, ready for the dbus domain change
[20:17] <Riddell> ooh, exciting
[20:20] <mgraesslin> Daskreech: pong
[20:20] <Daskreech> mgraesslin: I have show paint on to enjoy a light show and I notice two things 
[20:20]  * Riddell packages kdepim beta 4
[20:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: Do you have any idea about python magic in packaging? I'm totally stuck
[20:21] <Daskreech> when there is a full screen static app (empty txt document) there are still lots of draws
[20:21] <Daskreech> is that normal?
[20:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: it's fiddly mainly because there are three different ways to do it
[20:21] <mgraesslin> if you have something in the background causing repaints: yes
[20:21] <mgraesslin> e.g. a plasmoid updating each second
[20:21] <mgraesslin> or an app on a different desktop
[20:21] <Daskreech> Ah ok that explains the second thing then
[20:22] <Quintasan> Riddell: I have really no idea why one file is placed within two packages
[20:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: well that's just .install files like any other package surely
[20:22] <Daskreech> Everytime the emoticons in Kopete blink I get a little square updating even though it's under like 4 windows
[20:22] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well, I looked at that, but it's not that
[20:22] <mgraesslin> I want to look into the desktop to optimize it away
[20:23] <Riddell> Quintasan: I'd need to see the package to say more
[20:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: Okay, I'll upload in a second, I need to check if new python3-upload fixed something at all or not 
[20:24] <Daskreech> And that just took down KDE
[20:24] <Riddell> nixternal: kopete is a twitter app?
[20:25] <Daskreech> no until they turn back on Jabber support which they won't cause they are twits
[20:29] <shadeslayer> maco: so insanely right : http://www.thejuliagroup.com/blog/?p=1033
[20:31] <Riddell> Daskreech: who? twitter?
[20:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: _Groo_ was looking at beta 4
[20:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah but he hasn't appeared for days
[20:32] <shadeslayer> yeah :(
[20:34]  * shadeslayer needs to read about Casting in C++
[20:35] <Riddell> there's about 5 different ways to do that
[20:35] <shadeslayer> :S
[20:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im reading Pointer Classes in Qt ..  8 of them
[20:36] <shadeslayer> just got though 4 of them and at the end of the 4th it mentions casting... which i had on my todo list for about 3 weeks
[20:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: this is why people use Python :)
[20:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ive heard that like 5 times today
[20:45] <shadeslayer> twice in #kde-in !
[20:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: are you using rekonq right now?
[20:46] <shadeslayer> maco: also this makes for a good read : http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1015843
[20:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes unless I need flash
[20:49] <shadeslayer> whats the mem usage?
[20:50]  * shadeslayer is noticing insanely high mem usages on rekonq git
[20:52] <Riddell> 200MB 
[20:52] <shadeslayer> :S
[20:52] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1214483 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/config/ (ManagerSettingsDialog.cpp ManagerSettingsDialog.h) Further changes for s/QList/QSet
[20:53] <shadeslayer> ok back to pointers
[21:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: whatever, POX say he found yet another bug in dh_python3
[21:34] <shadeslayer> lol
[21:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: dh_python fscked
[21:35] <Quintasan> Please tell me when it IS NOT fscked
[21:56] <Quintasan> Riddell: sorry to bother you  -> we need one more sync -> http://alioth.debian.org/scm/loggerhead/pkg-python/python3-defaults-debian/changes
[21:57] <ScottK> Quintasan: Pong
[21:57] <shadeslayer> is that bzr? :O
[21:57] <Quintasan> ScottK: Oh, I've got this stupid SIP magic sorted out halfway but POX says he found yet another bug in dh_python3
[21:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer: dh_python is ancient and deprecated.  We're talking dh_python2 and 3 here.
[21:58] <ScottK> Quintasan: Good he's working on it then.
[21:58] <Quintasan> ScottK: It turns out debian/rules was installing files into python-sip and simply disregarded python-sip.install :/
[21:58] <ScottK> Ah.  Interesting.
[22:01] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i got the kross binding building
[22:01] <shadeslayer> ill do some more tomorrow
[22:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: Well, I added install-arch-3.% to debian/rules to make it install the appropriate files but got another bug and POX just fixed it
[22:01] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Awesome
[22:02] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: still needs newer falcon tho
[22:02] <ScottK> Quintasan: That's cool.  It'll be good to get the Python3 stuff worked out.
[22:02] <shadeslayer> tho upstream says its really really not needed
[22:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I ain't doing anything until I get rid of this madness
[22:02] <shadeslayer> hehe
[22:02] <Quintasan> ScottK: Do you have the sync powers?
[22:03] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: we are now registered on cia.vc as well
[22:03] <ScottK> Quintasan: No.  Needs an archive admin with shell access.  That's not me.
[22:03] <shadeslayer> and have a CIA-89 bot ... which still needs configuring by persia
[22:03] <shadeslayer> erm
[22:03] <shadeslayer> i mean phononlogger
[22:03] <Quintasan> Oh, I'll just wait for Riddell and replace the files manually
[22:04] <Riddell> Quintasan: I need a bug for syncs from debian, the script requires it
[22:05] <Quintasan> Oh, I keep forgetting this :/
[22:07] <Quintasan> Riddell: can we import changes directly form this branch or we need to wait for this to appear in experimental
[22:08] <shadeslayer> ugh
[22:08] <shadeslayer> pykde wants nepomuk
[22:09] <Riddell> Quintasan: for a sync it need to be in debian's archive
[22:09] <Riddell> Quintasan: but we can upload the package with the patch ourselves
[22:09] <Riddell> if you prepare the package I can upload it easily enough
[22:09] <Quintasan> Oh, I'll do this tomorrow
[22:11] <shadeslayer> im sleeping as well 
[22:11] <shadeslayer> cya
[22:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer sleeps?
[22:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: only at 4 AM
[22:12] <Quintasan> That's news to me
[22:12] <shadeslayer> its the curse of kdebindings
[22:13] <Quintasan> Riddell: Oh wait, it's just a patch, mind sticking around a little bit more? I'll get it ready
[22:15] <Riddell> Quintasan: I'm not going to sleep, it's only 4 in the afternoon
[22:16] <Quintasan> Oh, It's 23:15 here :P
[22:17] <ScottK> Riddell: I covered the release meeting today.
[22:17] <ScottK> Didn't say much other than 4.6.0 real soon now.
[22:19] <Riddell> ScottK: thanks for that, I didn't expect it to happen since 90% of the people are in the same building
[22:19] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[22:23] <Quintasan> What the hell
[22:30] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-412
[22:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: Is it normal for debuild -S to overwrite my changes in debian/control?
[22:33] <ScottK> Quintasan: It is if there's a debian/control.in.
[22:34] <Quintasan> oh there is
[22:34] <Quintasan> Do I change the control.in file?
[22:34] <ScottK> Yes.
[22:35] <Riddell> many people disapprove of such setups but some packagers insist on using them anyway
[22:51] <CIA-39> [muon] jmthomas * 1214498 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/README Add more licensing detail about moo.ogg.
[22:57] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/python/
[22:59] <Riddell> this is interesting https://launchpad.net/~unity-2d-team/+archive/unity-2d-daily/+packages
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> ^That hit planet kde before we knew about it :s
[23:00] <Quintasan> And it is probably as good as Firefox Qt [trollface[
[23:00] <Quintasan> ]*
[23:00] <ulysses> the whole unity is as good as Firefox Qt
[23:04] <ScottK> Quintasan: It's not a set of patches I don't think, it's a complete re-implementation in Qt.
[23:05] <Quintasan> ScottK: I always though Canonical thought GTK is superior to everything. Why did they suddenly rewrite it in Qt? Makes no sense to me
[23:06] <ScottK> Quintasan: Maybe they've seen the light.  Qt is the future and Gtk is dea.
[23:06] <ScottK> d
[23:06] <Tscheesy> sry.. - this is from Canonical itself?
[23:06] <ScottK> Yes
[23:06] <Quintasan> I doubt it, if they did you would be already drvining in a new Porche ScottK :)
[23:06] <Quintasan> driving*
[23:07] <ScottK> Nah.  My Mercedes suites me better.  Can't haul kids in the back of a Porsche.
[23:07] <Quintasan> Then what about a new shiny Mercedes?
[23:07] <Riddell> Quintasan: expect more blogs from canonical people soon about how Qt is welcome in Ubuntu Desktop
[23:08] <Quintasan> QT EVERYWHERE!
[23:08]  * JontheEchidna wonders if there will be job postings for Qt developers in the future
[23:09] <Riddell> dunno, it's an OEM project so look out for their job postings I guess
[23:09] <Riddell> why does muon need moo.ogg ? :)
[23:10] <ScottK> Riddell: My guess would be it's related to super cow powers.
[23:10] <JontheEchidna> mayhaps muon contains a sekret little easter egg :)
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> I think that's a requirement for all applications using libapt-pkg
[23:11] <Quintasan> It's not madness
[23:11] <Quintasan> It's mooooooooooooooooonesssssssssssssssss
[23:11] <Tscheesy> maybe its just a bug...
[23:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: Are those files enough or I have to upload something else?
[23:17] <Riddell> Quintasan: you packaged it with a .orig.tar.gz but that package has no .orig
[23:18] <Quintasan> Oh god I knew the hour it totally wrong for me to do anything
[23:22] <Quintasan> Riddell: I reuploaded them, please redownload and check them, if they are no good then I will postpone it till tomorrow
[23:23] <Riddell> looking
[23:28] <Riddell> hi effie-jayx, nice blog today :)
[23:33] <Riddell> Quintasan: that patch doesn't get applied
[23:34] <Riddell> you need to do more than add quilt as a build-depend, you need to have a way for it to be applied
[23:34] <Quintasan> urgh, this is not source 3.0, I totally missed it, let me get some sleep :S
[23:34] <Riddell> so adding a QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt push -a  somewhere in debian/rules
[23:35] <Riddell> I'll be offline this weekend, flying over the sea, but someone will be around to upload
[23:38] <Quintasan> Night.
[23:38] <Riddell> ScottK: do you know where the files for getting into kubuntu-dev are written?  I can't find the wiki page
[23:39] <Riddell> s/files/rules/
[23:39] <kubotu> Riddell meant: "ScottK: do you know where the rules for getting into kubuntu-dev are written?  I can't find the wiki page"
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> haha
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> s/haha/awesome
[23:39] <JontheEchidna> sadtroll.jpg
[23:39] <Riddell> s/haha/awesome/
[23:39] <kubotu> Riddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"