[00:02] <soc> hi
[00:03] <soc> is there anyone from the openjdk ppa online?
[00:03] <virtuald> you might have more luck in #ubuntu-java
[00:05] <soc> virtuald: all people seem to idle there ...
[00:05] <soc> never got a response for almost three hours
[00:05] <virtuald> soc: many of the developers is at a "sprint" in the us
[00:06] <virtuald> if not most
[00:08] <virtuald> i don't know why they don't irc from there
[00:38] <WaltherFI> kklimonda: well scripting is fine, but i'd need that script :P
[00:43] <dabukalam> so exactly how unstable are we talking here?
[00:44] <dabukalam> I'm bored of maverick :/
[00:47] <KM0201> dabukalam: probably somewhere between ted bundy and charles manson... pretty unstable
[01:23] <coz_> hey all
[01:39] <coz_> are current update  safe ?
[01:39] <coz_> updates  < rather
[01:39] <KM0201> coz_: define safe
[01:40] <coz_> KM0201,   :)    safe to reboot... restart x   etc   :)
[01:40] <KM0201> :)
[01:41] <charlie-tca> I don't know. I haven't restarted in two days again
[01:41] <coz_> charlie-tca,   ooo  that's scary  :)
[01:41] <coz_> charlie-tca,  dont shut down  until someone verifies it is safe :)
[01:41] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I know. Almost as scary as doing it with each update
[01:56] <coz_> ok updated... I am going to risk a restart of x   ,,,then a reboot... hopefully I return shortly...if not  assume I have thrown the computer out in the snow :)
[01:57] <charlie-tca> waiting...
[02:00] <coz_> :)   be right back
[02:06] <coz_> ok!
[02:06] <coz_> nice to see the icons in classic gnome are at a more reasonable distance from the left edge of screen
[02:08] <charlie-tca> whew! Maybe I will restart tonight then
[02:08] <coz_> i am still convinced that this should be a separate version ... ubuntu...kubuntu..xubuntu..lubuntu..unity1
[02:09] <coz_> definitly not Uubuntu
[02:09] <coz_> :)
[02:09] <charlie-tca> The idea is "unity gives the same thing in both desktop and netbook and laptop exerience, a unified experience"
[02:10] <coz_> charlie-tca,  no  I dont see that... in my case   i use dual monitors    global meny is rather old idea and out of date...originall by mac but at that time apple monitors were only 9"   anything over  15" monitor   ...global menu is useless
[02:11] <coz_> charlie-tca,  now in classic gnome...which I believe most people are going to be using.. I dont see a need for any of the Unity stuff to be included
[02:11] <coz_> Unity is strickly netbook  and global menu is  a good idea on small screens
[02:11] <charlie-tca> With a unified experience, you only need to know one way to do things
[02:11] <coz_> charlie-tca,   but how is this unified?
[02:11] <rww> I don't see why Ubuntu replacing GNOME's shell with Unity is any different from Ubuntu replacing GNOME's notification area with indicator things, or Ubuntu replacing GNOME's notification daemon with notify-osd, or... etc.
[02:12] <charlie-tca> The same experience on desktop, laptop, and netbook is very unified
[02:12] <rww> If you don't like it, swap it out, or switch to a distro that doesn't feel the need to change stuff like that :\
[02:12] <coz_> charlie-tca, ` but I doubt anyone is going to use Unity on their desktop unless their monitor is only 15"
[02:12] <charlie-tca> yeah, like xubuntu!
[02:13] <charlie-tca> oh, am I allowed to say that/
[02:13] <charlie-tca> ?
[02:13] <coz_> rww,  no I dont mean it is useless.. I only use classic gnome on natty at this point... I just see the need to combine them since they are distinctly different    desktp   vs   netbook
[02:13] <coz_> rather I dont see the need to combine them
[02:13] <rww> coz_: sabdfl disagrees with your assessment, apparently.
[02:13] <coz_> apparenlty
[02:14] <coz_> rww,   I think in the long run   he will see the light  :)
[02:14] <rww> I switched to Debian. The months of bickering over every minor change are a good defense against 'visions' like this.
[02:14] <rww> (also, KDE. so I'm doubly a heathen!)
[02:14] <coz_> :)
[02:16] <charlie-tca> I can see it, Ubuntu is aimed at the new linux user. For them to have the same commands, apps, layouts on all the systems can be important.
[02:17] <coz_> charlie-tca,  understood... still doesn explain to me why they are combined...
[02:18] <coz_> charlie-tca,   the whole concept of "global menu" i s very outdated,,, and really only qualifies to be used on small monitors ...this is apples mistake  even to this day... i wont use apple becuase of their   "global manu"  which significantly slows productivity down if your have widescreens or dual mnoitors
[02:18] <coz_> the only reason mac used it origianlly is to save realestate on a 9"  monitor
[02:19] <rww> I never use my menubars anyway. keyboard shortcuts ftw.
[02:19] <coz_> :)
[02:19] <rww> but yeah, global menus are rather odd.
[02:19] <rww> especially when you're grafting them on top of a system that wasn't built for them, so some apps misbehave
[02:19] <coz_> rww,   for sure  firefox comes to mind
[02:20] <rww> Firefox is a mess in general. Looks odd with dark themes to me :\
[02:23] <charlie-tca> firefox doesn't count. It doesn't behave no matter what you have
[02:23] <coz_> of course I always complain during ubuntu version transistions :)
[04:28] <dooglus> I'm trying to "connect to Ubuntu One".  It's asking me for a "verification code" from an email.  I have a "confirmation code".  Is that the same thing?  When I type it into the form, it causes the connection program to hang
[04:28] <dooglus> with "one moment please..." and a spinning circle
[06:28] <magn3ts> Has anyone considered placing the application-specific volumes in the sound menu?
[06:28] <magn3ts> If not, would a patch that did that be welcomed or no?
[06:39] <ofb> Hello 2 all/ Who can help me with install of 3d open source ati driver for radeon 1600?
[06:44] <soulashell> hi
[06:45] <soulashell> i'm having trouble with the latest natty update
[06:45] <soulashell> left me without the app bar on the left and without the bar at the top of the screen
[06:47] <ofb> soulashell try to use Classic desktop in login screen
[06:48] <soulashell> ofb: ok, let me try
[06:56] <soulashell> is ofb gone?
[07:05] <soulashell> got it to show the launcher bar, but it's not looking right, got blank spaces on it
[08:15] <Machtin> hey guys.. just updated my notebook to 11.04 and now i'm wondering why wlan stopped working.. ifconfig still lists wlan0 but it seems no AP is found.
[08:43] <gyger> is anyone active?
[08:47] <nit-wit> barely
[09:44] <evilvish> gyger: hey
[09:44] <gyger> hola
[09:44] <evilvish> gyger: so i think you would have removed unity?
[09:44] <evilvish> gyger: and ubuntu-desktop
[09:44] <gyger> not on purpose
[09:45] <evilvish> gyger: yea.. but it seems thats what is happening today..
[09:45] <evilvish> gyger: so you gotta install them
[09:45] <nit-wit> I saw a thread on this on the ubuntu forums
[09:45] <gyger> when i try to install desktop, it depends on unity
[09:45] <evilvish> gyger: you need both
[09:45] <evilvish> gyger: rule of thumb never do partial updates
[09:46] <gyger> and unity depends on compiz-core-abiversion-20101111
[09:46] <gyger> yeah. i learned afterward
[09:46] <gyger> which that compiz pkg does not exist
[09:47] <evilvish> gyger: check synaptic history. install unity and ubuntu-desktop. if it is not possible rollback what ever is asking for higher depends.. and for parital updates>  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1479146
[09:47] <evilvish> partial*
[09:51] <gyger> evilvish: I don't see how to do the rollback... point me in the right direction?
[09:52] <evilvish> gyger: well.. you'd have to *manually* search lp and download the earlier version of each package you just updated. and install the debs
[09:52] <gyger> evilvish: thanks
[09:52] <evilvish> np
[09:54] <gyger> evilvish: i just realized, the retard move i made was via command prompt... anyway to look that one up as well?
[09:55] <evilvish> gyger: ?  not sure what you mean..
[09:56] <gyger> evilvish: when i did the dist upgrade it was bc after i did an update, every time i moved my mouse it kicked me out to the login screen, i logged back in and went into a tty prompt and did a dist-upgrade...
[09:57] <gyger> i am assuming that i need to roll back to before the one that caused the kick-me-out-to-a-login-screen issue?
[09:58] <evilvish> yea, that maybe better, (but i'v got no clue about that though)
[09:59] <gyger> evilvish: and then we wait for the new unity update?
[09:59] <evilvish> gyger: yea..
[09:59] <gyger> evilvish: i hate it when i bork my system
[12:46] <dabbill> everytime i reboot i have to do metacity --replace to get my window borders up.
[12:52] <jMCg> I do compiz --replace &
[12:54] <dabbill> i am just running basic install of ubuntu with nvidia driver enabled
[12:55] <dabbill> i dont have compiz installed
[13:11] <zniavre> i m reading that unity can handle now 2d,  is that already done ?
[13:20] <zniavre> what is the small grip handle in panels ?
[13:21] <zniavre> ho another gnomeclassic session (with no effect)
[13:28] <multiplatinum> hello everyone
[13:28] <multiplatinum> natty will have zeitgeist tightly integrated meaning you can easily retrieve everything, etc.
[13:28] <dabbill> everytime i reboot i have to do metacity --replace & to get my window boarders back, i have tried to reinstall metacity but no luck fixing it
[13:29] <multiplatinum> but if you remove a file from your system, will zeitgeist remove all its info?
[13:40] <kklimonda> bah, now that Canonical is developing Unity 2D with Qt I'm finally convinced that they've decided to turn developers' brains into marshmallows...
[13:41] <zniavre> :o)
[13:42] <yofel> more Qt \o/
[13:43] <evilvish> yofel: dont be too happy.. it's part of the larger plan!  we dump gnome and take over KDE ;p
[13:44] <kklimonda> I wouldn't mind personall
[13:44] <kklimonda> what I'm afraid of is Canonical commiting to support both Gtk+ and Qt at the same time, on the same desktop
[13:44] <yofel> haha, I believe we'll see X die before that though..
[13:44] <kklimonda> a little inside nazi in me is crying when I think about it
[13:46] <yofel> so? we already have many Qt apps in the repos, not only KDE stuff, and Qt was already maintained by the kubuntu team. I doubt too much is going to change there
[13:46] <kklimonda> yofel: but they look different from Gtk+ ones
[13:47] <yofel> a bit sure, but Qt's gtk theming support has gotten better. Not sure how well it works with gtk3 though
[13:47] <evilvish> zniavre: resize grip on panel?  do you have a bug number?
[13:47] <yofel> if at all
[13:47] <kklimonda> yofel: they will always feel different and won't be pixel perfect
[13:47] <zniavre> evilvish,  not yet
[13:48] <evilvish> k..
[13:48] <zniavre> i do not know how to report it
[13:48] <kklimonda> yofel: if we are not here to create a perfect experience, we can as well go back to xmonad, wmii, and bunch of terminals imo
[13:48] <zniavre> i mean i know but i trying to find an english way to explain it clearly
[13:48] <zniavre> :o)
[13:49] <yofel> well, I haven't used gnome in a while so I'm not sure what the current state is and stop here. I belong to the fraction that doesn't care about the GUI toolkit that's used anyway
[13:50] <kklimonda> yofel: I don't care about gui toolkit being used - I just care about choosing a single one, and sticking with it
[13:56] <zniavre> evilvish, http://i.imgur.com/oW5u2.png  > should i report this bug ?
[13:57] <evilvish> zniavre: yup..
[13:57] <zniavre> ok
[13:57] <zniavre> resize grip is the good name ?
[14:02] <multiplatinum> if you remove a file in natty which got indexed by zeitgeist, will its ZG info also be removed?
[14:02] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:05] <zniavre> evilvish, im sorry i can't find the way to report this bug
[14:05] <evilvish> zniavre: i think it needs to be filed in gnome-panel..
[14:07] <om26er> brastche already have a fix for gnome-panel ( and gdm too) and there is a upstream bug with the patch too I believe
[14:07] <zniavre> coool
[14:08] <Machtin> hey guys.. just updated my notebook to 11.04 and now i'm wondering why wlan stopped working.. ifconfig still lists wlan0 but it seems no AP is found.
[14:09] <BluesKaj> I'm not a big amarok user , I find it clunky and awkward , but how is ir behaving in natty
[14:09] <BluesKaj> ?
[14:09] <multiplatinum> if you remove a file in natty which got indexed by zeitgeist, will its ZG info also be removed?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Machtin, try sudo dhclient wlan0
[14:10] <Machtin> will check.
[14:11] <Machtin> and as far as i can tell, amarok hasn't changed too much
[14:11] <BluesKaj> bummer
[14:12] <Machtin> what do you use instead?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> vlc mostly
[14:12] <Machtin> i see.
[14:13] <Machtin> dhclient wlan0 does nothing it seems.
[14:13] <zniavre> #702879
[14:14] <BluesKaj> Machtin, how about ifup wlan0
[14:15] <Machtin> BluesKaj: ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
[14:15] <BluesKaj> sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[14:16] <Machtin> changes nothing
[14:17] <zniavre> how do i call bug bot please?
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Machtin, does your network router even show up at all ? , try route , to see if you have a router IP
[14:19] <Machtin> no, i don't
[14:19] <Machtin> *it doesn't.
[14:20] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/702879
[14:20] <Machtin> but wlan's here.. i can check via cellphone.
[14:22] <BluesKaj> Machtin, find the diver , sudo lshw -C network, then sudo modprobe -r module; sudo modprobe module , module being the driver name
[14:23] <Machtin> what's the modules' name? Product is AR9285.
[14:24] <BluesKaj> yes AR9285
[14:24] <Machtin> well.. modprobe -r AR9285 tells me that such a module doesn't exist.
[14:25] <BluesKaj> mm the diver got stripped somehow
[14:25] <BluesKaj> driver
[14:26] <bjsnider> no, that driver is called ath9k
[14:26] <bjsnider> ar9285 is the name of the chip, by atheros, not the driver
[14:26] <BluesKaj> oops
[14:27] <BluesKaj> sorry Machtin , substiute what bjsnider says in the modprobe command
[14:27] <BluesKaj> ath9k
[14:28] <BluesKaj> gotta remember that,
[14:28] <Machtin> i think that already was loaded..
[14:29] <Machtin> just a minute.
[14:29] <BluesKaj> it's just that driver for my belkin wifi is rt2870, so i assumed ...
[14:29] <bjsnider> belkin? ughh
[14:29] <BluesKaj> yeah, I agree
[14:30] <BluesKaj> crappy , alot of work toget it going , now it hasn't worked since jaunty, even with ndiswrapper
[14:30] <Machtin> that's funny.
[14:30] <Machtin> when i load that module, wlan0 disappears
[14:31] <bjsnider> modprobe -r removes the driver
[14:31] <BluesKaj> removes the old driver
[14:31] <Machtin> stupid me.
[14:31] <BluesKaj> that's what it's supposed to do
[14:32] <Machtin> Yeah? why?
[14:32] <bjsnider> modprobe -r ath9k would take down your wifi. modprobe ath9k would bring it up again
[14:32] <Machtin> yup
[14:33] <bjsnider> ath9k is a relatively new driver and it has some issues
[14:33] <Machtin> is there a old module i can use then?
[14:33] <bjsnider> no
[14:34] <bjsnider> there are newer and older versions of that driver, but it was intended to support newer atheros chips that have wireless-n
[14:34] <Machtin> well.. if i have to use that, how can i make it work?
[14:36] <bjsnider> the linux-backports-modules-wireless packages are supposed to have better, more stable versions than ship in the kernels but they are likely only available in stable distros
[14:37] <Machtin> ok
[14:49] <om26er> is it final or there is still some hope that we'll have 2.91.xx/3.0 series of gnome applications ?
[14:53] <evilvish> om26er: we have no hope left.. ;)
[14:53] <om26er> ah sh** ;)
[14:56] <om26er> there was a bug report to make appmenu-gtk work with gtk3 so that means we are not dropping gtk3 from cd? if so then we have all the requirements for empathy3.0 atleast I believe
[14:59] <evilvish> om26er: well, if so you could do that update i suppose.. you should really be asking seb on -desktop, (his word is final)
[15:00] <om26er> right
[15:04] <BluesKaj> hey billybigrigger ..ltns
[15:07] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, ya no doubt!
[15:07] <billybigrigger> hows it going?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> good , and you billybigrigger ?
[15:08] <billybigrigger> good, just finished up a job on this rig and have a few days off...
[15:08] <billybigrigger> what to do? :P
[15:08] <billybigrigger> you quit hanging in -ca or what?
[15:09] <BluesKaj> -ca ?
[15:09] <BluesKaj> omigod , a log time ago
[15:09] <billybigrigger> ubuntu-ca
[15:09] <billybigrigger> i thought you were canadian
[15:10] <BluesKaj> yeah, just outside Sudbury
[15:10] <billybigrigger> ahh thought so :P
[15:10] <billybigrigger> whats new with you?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> ok ,I'll rejoin ...not much activity there if I recall
[15:12] <BluesKaj> not much, just waiting out the winter, doing a little jamming etc but otherwise same ol' same ol'
[15:13] <billybigrigger> right arm
[15:13] <billybigrigger> now that i got you to join again...i think i'll take off and fire up the 360 :)
[15:15] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, take er easy seeya later
[15:16] <BluesKaj> ok, take care , billybigrigger
[15:24] <alex_mayorga> aptitude full-upgrade wants to remove ubuntu-desktop for anyone else?
[15:25] <billybigrigger> dunno, i'm a safe-upgrade man myself
[15:25] <alex_mayorga> billybigrigger: same here, but I do a full-upgrade from time to time
[15:26] <billybigrigger> hmm...i can honestly say i've never
[15:43] <BluesKaj> hmm, full upgrade , maybe it wants to install  the new gnome I keep hearing about ...dunno tho , I'm a kde user
[15:50] <alex_mayorga> I guess I'll wait a couple of days and see if it gets less aggressive
[15:57] <nigelb> hrm, would be nice to have https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana-dev/msg00078.html in /topic
[15:58] <rww> nigelb: best place to ask for +1 topic changes is -ops
[15:59] <nigelb> rww: oh, I didn't know that.  So do I have to walk in ask or will you do that for me as a favor? ;)
[15:59] <nigelb> *in and ask
[15:59] <rww> i'll do it
[15:59]  * Pici saw
[15:59] <nigelb> :)
[16:00]  * nigelb hugs rww 
[16:15] <fmax30> how can i change the my display performance / anti aliasing / direct x settings	 using ubuntu 11.04 default display drivers	
[16:18] <alex_mayorga> I guess what nigelb posted explains the scary stuff when full-upgrading
[16:22] <nigelb> alex_mayorga: you got me checking my mail :)
[16:23] <alex_mayorga> nigelb: no worries I came here to ask why some updates wanted to nuke ubuntu-desktop
[16:24] <nigelb> heh
[16:24] <BluesKaj> fmax30,depends whether you have driver gui like nvidia has
[16:24] <rww> I tend to do aptitude safe-upgrade, and leave anything that's held back there well alone.
[16:25] <alex_mayorga> rww: I guess that's the wise thing to do, but I try doing a full-upgrade every other Friday, guess not this Friday :)
[16:25] <BluesKaj> rww, same here , unles ]s something recommmended but not being installed ...dunno why that happens tho
[16:26] <BluesKaj> err recommended
[16:26] <rww> alex_mayorga: lol, indeed
[16:27] <rww> My natty computer's charger cable is being stupid, so I'm a week or so behind at this point :(
[16:52] <evilvish> om26er: from u-meeting " <pitti>  * GTK 3 theming problem was solved for natty by fixing GTK2 enough to work with our ported gobject-introspection; apport, language-selector and friends now use GTK2 with GI and GTK3 fell off the CD. "
[16:52] <evilvish> om26er: looks like GTK3 might not be on the CD.. :(
[16:52] <om26er> :(
[16:53] <om26er> backporting has proven to be crashy, example evolution :O so natty will be crashy
[16:53] <om26er> and bore
[16:54] <Amaranth> evilvish: That's the plan, getting GTK+ 3 off the CD
[16:54] <Amaranth> and keeping it off for natty
[16:55] <evilvish> Amaranth: i had thought so too.. but om26er today mentioned otherwise..
[16:55] <Amaranth> Why would we need it?
[16:56] <evilvish> Amaranth: i guess om26er wanted to update empathy to 3.0
[16:56] <Amaranth> evilvish: Oh, that was talked about before
[16:56] <Amaranth> evilvish: afaik the consensus was if it can't be built with 2.x it won't happen
[16:57]  * evilvish nods..
[16:57] <om26er> empathy 2.91.3 explicitly removed the support to build with gtk2 :/
[17:43] <olmari> problem... natty asked at bootup into "ubuntu desktop" (not classic) about some applets or so not loading and I did choose don't load and now mine desktop becomes empty... what to do? :)
[17:44] <olmari> is there some files to delete or copy from some "skeleton" dir so that mine user stuff for GUI would become somewhat normal?
[17:58] <slyrus_> is the compiz-core-abiversion-20101111 problem related to the Ayatana API changes mentioned in the topic?
[18:12] <olmari> related to mine prob: in classic desktop I can recreate the panels and such, but in new unity enviroment I can't do anything in blank dekstop
[18:21] <ofb> Hello. Anybody can help me with install open source 3d for ati?
[18:22] <ofb> Nobody?
[18:25] <IdleOne> more patience needed
[18:47] <slyrus_> looks like the compiz-core-abiversion-20101111 problem is fixed. yay.
[18:50] <olmari> IdleOne: I juest meant to answer him too,but.. =)
[18:51] <IdleOne> olmari: ??
[18:52] <olmari> IdleOne: I assumed you mentioned ofb and his quick dissappearing :)
[18:52] <IdleOne> oh, hehe yeah
[19:00] <IdleOne> !info gnome-shell
[20:33] <gnomefreak> is the ubuntu-desktop update broken still?
[20:33] <gyger> i think so
[20:33] <gyger> i am still personally having issues
[20:33] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: see topic, ayatana is breaking everything
[20:34] <rww> ain't that the truth
[20:34] <gnomefreak> does it still want to install kde libs/apps :)
[20:34] <gnomefreak> i guess that would explain the kde crap
[20:34] <gnomefreak> checking now
[20:35] <gyger> the question becomes... when should it calm down... it sounds like today or tomorrow... but i can't tell
[20:35] <olmari> how about mine prob? repeat for short: logging in to ubuntu desktop "kills" all the applets... I did sayu don't reload and now I have basically nothing in mine desktop execpt backgroun.. how to get everythign to normal =)
[20:36] <gyger> are you in desktop version or classic?
[20:36] <olmari> gyger: cuurently classic, as I can re-put panels here... but in "Unity desktop" I can't add any panels or anything
[20:37] <gnomefreak> i installed Maverick(gnome) on this system installed irssi irssi-scripts and nvidia drivers than run upgrade to 11.04 nothing else installed, yesterday when i went to do a dist upgrade to grab current packages it wanted to install all kinds of qtlibs and kde apps
[20:37] <olmari> from the getgo when I installed natty few days ago it insisted on every reboot that like every aplet has problems adn it gave me reload or don't reload... I once chose dno't reload to all and now I see it was mistake, there is literally nothing on mine logon
[20:38] <gnomefreak> olmari: lyou should beable to have it work now. i had same issue on my 1st natty box upgraded when repos opened
[20:39] <gyger> olmari: i am having the same issue... this only started a couple days ago though... there are major changes being made to the code right now as I understand it. Canonical just went through a huge push this week in Dallas writing code like there is no tomorrow....
[20:39] <gnomefreak> s/lyou/you
[20:39] <olmari> mm well... how I could rectify this issue without reinstalling everything? :)
[20:39] <gnomefreak> ayatana should not effect a clean gnome install with qt crap
[20:40] <gnomefreak> olmari: it was just stuff on the desktop like trash, weather applet, ect...?
[20:41] <olmari> gnomefreak: everything... I get _only_ background... and in "unity desktop" I can't get a right click menu or anythign where I could readd stuff
[20:41] <gnomefreak> lsb seems to be one of the packages that are stuck in updates
[20:41] <olmari> gnomefreak: same for classic desktop, but there I can at least manually ad panels back and whatnot
[20:42] <gnomefreak> olmari: i am unable to run unity atm but i was having probems where the panels took too long to load and it left me with nothing at all. you might have same issue. give me a minute to locate something for you
[20:43] <gyger> gnomefreak: at least u are able to run unity... I am in no such luck
[20:43] <olmari> gnomefreak: all I need is even some method to "do mine user again" so that I don't need to reinstall from start
[20:43] <gnomefreak> gyger: no i cant run it
[20:43] <gnomefreak> let me find the bug i filed
[20:44] <gyger> sorry, i misread... my dependencies are broken 10 ways to sunday though... its frustrating
[20:44] <gnomefreak> sorry firefox is taking forever to do anything atm just a few more seconds
[20:45] <gyger> lol
[20:45] <gnomefreak> see bug 701172
[20:47] <olmari> hmm
[20:47] <gnomefreak> mvo: is Ayatana causing qt/kde stuff to install on a pure gnome system. other than pre isntalled packages i installed irss, irssi-scripts and nvidia drivers
[20:47] <gnomefreak> s/causing/causing depkg to install
[20:47] <olmari> well... on mine computer it everytime asked to reload or not reload... but yeah... I bet ultimately rootcause is the same
[20:48] <gnomefreak> olmari: add comments to bug report than but please be detailed
[20:48] <gyger> gnomefreak... did you see the response that mirco left you in your bug report?
[20:49] <olmari> as few times pressing "reload" on every window did work ultimately... until I tried "don't reload" and after next logon, blank screen
[20:49] <gnomefreak> no i havent looked at bug since i filed it. looking now
[20:49] <olmari> s/blank/only background
[20:50] <gnomefreak> mine i am betting is video card mem or sys mem
[20:50] <gnomefreak> i want chrome back :(
[20:50] <gyger> gnomefreak: your computer may just be on strike...
[20:51] <olmari> I don't know how detailed I could be with this... have only my memory now, until I figure out how to undo stuff or redo mine user (or reinstall)
[20:54] <gnomefreak> olmari: test weather his comment works for you
[20:54] <gnomefreak> but i would first leave a comment on what your system is doing
[20:54]  * gnomefreak goes for smoke
[20:55] <olmari> gnomefreak: lol... it gives "The program 'unity' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[20:56] <olmari> sudo apt-get install unity"
[20:56] <olmari> like WTF :D
[20:56] <gyger> olmari: thats what im hitting
[20:58] <gyger> olmari: unity IS going through the ayatana API change if i remember correctly... since it is part of the Ayatan project
[20:58] <gyger> olmari: you did the same thing i did... we weren't supposed to do a dist-upgrade yet
[21:00] <gnomefreak> olmari: is your system fully upgraded? unity is default in natty
[21:01] <gnomefreak> gyger: it should be effected
[21:02] <gyger> olmari: this is the stuff i found. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1641400
[21:02] <gnomefreak> i have 2 boxes i built almost identical same mother boad same memory everything same except processor 1.3 on one and 1.7 on other sound cards are diffeerent but otherwise pretty much the same. and that is a stupid move on my part
[21:03] <gyger> gnomefreak: so for me who was stupid and for anyone else deciding to upgrade right now... we are stuck unity-less until the ayatana rebuild.
[21:03] <gnomefreak> installd chrome finally :)
[21:05] <gnomefreak> hopefully i will have all my PPAs and friends back for testing
[21:05] <gyger> i am just trying to figure out a way to get back into packages that are just far back enough that it wont do this to me and i can get back into unity. then wait safely for the rebuild
[21:05] <olmari> gnomefreak: from the getgo it is yeah.. last update few H ago
[21:06] <gnomefreak> i think i know why qt stuff, it seems this system is not fully upgraded, but the kernel works :)
[21:06] <olmari> I used netboot for installation too
[21:07] <olmari> well... I suppose I could do reinstallation when stuff is a little more stable :)
[21:07] <gnomefreak> i have to move over some of my profiles too. chrome one first
[21:07] <gnomefreak> more stable == april
[21:07] <gyger> gnomefreak: shouldn't have to wait that long..
[21:08] <gnomefreak> once ayatana is fixed it will still have broken bits to it
[21:08] <olmari> as in I got this stuff right when I first booted natty, as netboot (orwhatever called) gets most fresh stuff from inet from beginning :)
[21:08] <gnomefreak> a crap load of packages if not all will have to be rebuilt
[21:08] <olmari> gnomefreak: I didn't say release stable, but more stable than blank backgroubd :p
[21:09] <olmari> then again I could just go in to already stable 1010 :D
[21:09] <olmari> but what's the fun on that :)
[21:09] <gyger> come on, fix it urself... isnt that the linux way... lol
[21:11] <gnomefreak> unity is new to non-netbook systems so you are likely to see problems for a while. i can still run gnome-shell here so i should be able to run unity without an issue but its not
[21:12] <gnomefreak> b eback i have to fix this
[21:16] <olmari> mm well.. TBH I am so many times tempted to try something like gentoo, because I can... I_kinda_ like it's idealistic stuff.. but then again ubuntu IS easy as in stables go :)
[21:16] <mvo> hey gnomefreak, sorry for the delay. can you check /var/log/apt/history.log ?
[21:17] <gnomefreak> mvo: i think it is a partial system upgrade, since the ayanata bug while upgrading this box
[21:18] <gnomefreak> ok looing at it now
[21:19] <olmari> I can't install unity?
[21:19] <gnomefreak> olmari: not atm
[21:19] <gnomefreak> at least most likely not
[21:19] <olmari> mm'kay :)
[21:19] <gyger> olmari: but within a day or two... if i am understanding everything correctly
[21:20] <olmari> gyger: mm well I'm not in THAT of a rush, as I see it's not only mine problem alone
[21:21] <gyger> olmari: if you like i can email you when i get unity back up and running and see if i can help you from there?
[21:22] <olmari> gyger: sure you can... but really not that deep in trouble :)
[21:22] <gyger> mvo: i was just checking the same place... if i can grab the packages listed there that got blown out by the dist-upgrade... i should be back to a good version of unity, then wait until packages are ready to go with the new versions (post-ayatana rebuild) right?
[21:22] <gnomefreak> mvo: its listing everything from the output of the dist-upgrade and upgrade commands, that i never said yes to. i had posted the output of the commands when i got them to pastebin, but i dont see it there anymore. im looking for the qt stuff but havent gotten there yet. if it is there do you want the log on pastebin
[21:23] <olmari> gyger: all this is still more a inconvience than showstopper, in "crucial" (to me) server I'm running LTS
[21:23] <gnomefreak> gyger: you wont be able to
[21:23] <gyger> gnomefreak: y not?
[21:23] <gyger> olmari: smart man
[21:24] <gnomefreak> dist-upgrade == very bad idea, if you try to install one of those broken packages it will cause a screwed up system. it is best to wait
[21:25] <gnomefreak> you can run upgrade without a problem at least i was able to without it removing anything important
[21:25] <olmari> gyger: well LTS because I am too lazy to upgrade the server... then again there is no direct need to either :)
[21:25] <gnomefreak> if they have been blocked by dpkg im not sure of
[21:25] <gyger> right, and if i do the reverse... get rid of the one that was installed and reinstall the ones that were uninstalled (making sure to grab the proper versions from lp) i don't see why i couldn't go back to where i was
[21:25] <gyger> olmari: lol
[21:26] <gnomefreak> i doubt dpkg blockes broken packages from dist-upgrade command. AFAIK update-manager still wont upgrade system
[21:26] <gyger> gnomefreak: is that to me?
[21:27] <olmari> gyger: as in update into latest stable server :)
[21:27] <gnomefreak> yes would be good is olmari read it too. that is answer to your y not?
[21:27] <komputes> Hey guys can you mark this bug as affecting you: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/324700
[21:28] <olmari> well I am not sure where to "go back" as I got into directly this problem... but I am satisfied with the results I got now and answers here
[21:28] <gnomefreak> komputes: mine was working fine on my other natty box, i have a non-fully upgrade on this box atm. try with unity and with classic desktop version seee if it is on both
[21:29] <komputes> gnomefreak: looks still the same to me in natty
[21:29] <gnomefreak> it would be great if i could grep when inside a file from term instead of grepping from outside the file
[21:30] <mvo> gnomefreak: yeah, if you could give me the link to the pastebin
[21:30] <gnomefreak> mvo: ok i will post it
[21:30] <gnomefreak> i hope
[21:33] <gyger> mvo: so i am just eff'ed until ayatana is done?.
[21:33] <gnomefreak> ok pastebinit wont do it :( let me see if i can get it all there
[21:34] <gnomefreak> i get the feeling its too big of a file
[21:34] <gnomefreak> mvo: here you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/554181/
[21:35]  * gnomefreak now wonders what happened to pastebinit
[21:35] <mvo> gnomefreak: hm, can't find qt in that :/
[21:36] <gnomefreak> mvo: let me see if i can make it happen again
[21:36] <mvo> gyger: well, you can remove qt again and see what else it will take down with it
[21:36] <mvo> gyger: but yeah, if its natty there are bugs like this (dependencies that shouldn't be there etc)
[21:38] <gnomefreak> mvo: i thought it was related to apturl-qt or kde that was causing the libs but i dont see any other them anymore
[21:39]  * mvo needs to reboot but will e right back
[21:39] <gnomefreak> apturl apturl-common is all of apturl now
[21:39] <gnomefreak> mvo: thanks for your time
[21:41]  * gnomefreak cant wait for OO.o to be removed from default 
[21:42] <gnomefreak> mvo: the full file isnt there it seems
[21:43] <gnomefreak> thats odd as it has the start and end but missing middle from file
[21:44] <gnomefreak> it seems no tto be an issue anymore so screw it
[21:44] <gyger> lol
[21:45] <gnomefreak> yay script is working again
[21:45] <gnomefreak> mvo: it seems to be missing everything that i decided to not upgrade/install
[21:47] <mvo> gnomefreak: history.log only contains stuff that actually got installed, is it just trying to install qt on a dist-upgrade (i.e. did you not confirm this yet?). in thise case, sorry, you can use apt-get dist-upgrade -o Debug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=True to see what is going on
[21:47] <gnomefreak> it is no longer trying to install them from what i can tell
[21:48] <gnomefreak> not using dist-upgrade anyway. lets see what upgrade gives me
[21:51] <gnomefreak> apturl is held back but for some reason so is chrome i guess that is effected too.
[21:55] <mvo> gnomefreak: history.log only contains stuff that actually got installed, is it just trying to install qt on a dist-upgrade (i.e. did you not confirm this yet?). in thise case, sorry, you can use apt-get dist-upgrade -o Debug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=True to see what is going on
[21:56] <gnomefreak> mvo: i think i know where the qt stuff came from it seems libreoffice requires it
[21:56] <gnomefreak> i just tried installing it, so maybe that is where i saw it
[21:57] <gnomefreak> apturl-kde
[21:57] <gnomefreak> that was it
[21:57] <gnomefreak> ok we really need to rethink replace OO.o with an only qt package
[21:59] <gnomefreak> well not only but qt is a part of it, atm OO.o has a gtk and qt packages one or the other you dont need both. it seems libreoffice forces qt on you. ill be back in a few moments
[22:05] <rww> gnomefreak: or perhaps it's just a bug in the packaging ;)
[22:05] <olmari> hmmh... I'd so like something of a ubuntu and gentoo... (to be strictly out of topic)
[22:05] <gnomefreak> rww: maybe atm its from PPA since it has not started the transition yet
[22:06] <gnomefreak> make one than
[22:06] <olmari> well... ubuntu's support and general easyness to use, but official support for "tinker the heck out of it" :D
[22:06] <gnomefreak> i dont have an isssue makeing ubuntu act the way i want to. you are in the world of Linux, anything can happen
[22:06] <olmari> gnomefreak: if that was for me, then I say I'm not that nerd I could manage that... just yet =)
[22:07] <olmari> gnomefreak: mm well... for one that realy mystifies me is for example plain ubuntu server taking somewhat 850mb of space
[22:08] <olmari> and these sort of things... I really don't have fundamental opposition for ubuntu in itself
[22:08] <gnomefreak> that is too much space for you?
[22:09] <olmari> gnomefreak: well not as-is, but what in "most plain CLI installation" takes so much? and more so all space for programs tends to be  more heavy system
[22:09] <gnomefreak> the server install installs sound stuff too (used to anyway) and that was kind of stupid IMHO, but you can make your own installer and as i understand its easy to do
[22:10] <gnomefreak> there is an app to make building your own installer easy. i never tried it or cared too much about it but it is there
[22:10] <olmari> gnomefreak: well propably I could, but would it be again within any "official" support? (not that IRC is best anyhow
[22:11] <gnomefreak> since you would be using Ubuntu repos i dont see why not but again never used it so i dont know. if you go to packages outside of Ubuntu than the support changes
[22:11] <olmari> gnomefreak: and by all means, I'm not complaining about ubuntu, it's quite good as in general standing
[22:13] <olmari> but I also want to tinket the hell put of my own equipment, but still be able to help my local friends with "more official" stuff... I have already seen 'cases' where there two do collide in "official" level
[22:13] <olmari> tinker
[22:13] <olmari> out...
[22:13]  * gnomefreak likes to stay in text mode personally but havent played with text based email yet.
[22:15] <olmari> I do like the stuff ubuntu in general takes linux in general... many "sub-åarts" has gone so long way ahead because ubuntu, but.. there is that but :)
[22:15] <gnomefreak> you can (if you know how) merge distros but that is not easy but i have heard of people doing it, but gentoo is a bit different. i havent used gentoo in years about the smae time i used fedora 1
[22:16] <olmari> yeah sure I could even "do mine own OS" but as implied, I'm not that nerd I could assycode everything ;)
[22:16] <gnomefreak> Ubuntu is part Ddebian and part Ubuntu
[22:17] <olmari> gnomefreak: well I do like gentoo as in "download sourcecodes and compile then" method...
[22:17] <olmari> as in optimised into your system
[22:18] <gnomefreak76> oh damn
[22:18] <gnomefreak76> i fix chrome and i lose connection
[22:18] <olmari> lol :D
[22:20] <gnomefreak> with a little work maybe i can have most of my issues fixed by morning thats about 12 hours from now when i wake up
[22:20] <olmari> gnomefreak: :)
[22:20] <leagris> any plan on releasing updated samba for Ubuntu10.10 please see: https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7577 unable to browse/open windows7 shares from ubuntu due to SPNEGO login failed: Invalid parameter ?
[22:21] <gnomefreak> ok im going to be AFK for a while
[22:22] <gnomefreak> leagris: that is not in the realm of support for this channel please see the bug for updates. maybe try asking in #ubuntu-bugs for someone to look at it. but it requires backporting it that is up to the backport team
[22:23]  * gnomefreak doesnt remember if there is a #ubuntu-backport channel or not but you maybe should add a backport task on it
[22:23] <gnomefreak> leagris: file a bug for backporting the package
[22:23] <gnomefreak> i didnt see it was fixed
[22:24] <gnomefreak> ok i have to get started on this project
[22:24] <olmari> gnomefreak: have fun :)
[22:25] <gnomefreak> thanks ill try
[22:26] <gnomefreak> well at least they make it easy to add alot of backgrounds at a time. adding 50 1 at a time sucked
[22:26] <olmari> =)
[22:27] <gnomefreak> we still havent made it official yet but upstream gnome lets you use ctrl+a
[22:30] <gnomefreak> well 2 down ~25 to go
[22:30] <gnomefreak> hifi: BUGabundo
[22:30] <gnomefreak> damn
[22:30] <gnomefreak> hi BUGabundo
[22:30] <BUGabundo> o/
[22:31] <BUGabundo> yes gnomefreak, music is playing, so in ensence I have hifi :)
[22:31] <olmari> diddidii diddii... texaco is spilling...
[22:31] <gnomefreak> :)  i didnt mean to ping him, although i didnt know someone had that name
[22:31] <olmari> and that's all I remember from southpark the movie
[22:33] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: I'm so used to TAB I try it on all words :S
[22:33] <gnomefreak> ha
[22:33] <olmari> :D
[22:34] <BUGabundo> am I the only one doing so?
[22:34] <olmari> BUGabundo: well... for EVERY word maybe.. but on most owrd.. maybe not ;D
[22:35] <BUGabundo> you kinda look like you need it too :=)
[22:35] <olmari> lol
[22:36] <olmari> maybe
[22:43]  * gnomefreak out
[23:28] <leagris> gnomefreak, it is at least fixed in samba4 multiverse but does not include gnome gvfs samba share
[23:28] <leagris> hope at least it will be fixed in 11.04
[23:30] <leagris> took me 4 hours searching the web to find about this fix. I seems many resigned in accessing windows7 shares from ubuntu
[23:32] <Gulfstream> Is it safe to install the new updates on Natty?
[23:32] <Amaranth> Gulfstream: Don't try to do a dist-upgrade right now
[23:33] <Amaranth> Things are all kinds of messed up
[23:33] <Gulfstream> but simply running "sudo apt-get upgrade" is okay, right?
[23:33] <Amaranth> Gulfstream: I'm up-to-date on that and things have no fallen apart