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geserpitti: Hi, I saw your blog entry about "check-mir". Is it much different than the existing "404main" script in u-d-t? Perhaps they can get merged.08:45
bdrungpitti: why did you do three uploads instead of letting review someone your changes? the upload should have done to debian.09:14
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hungerAnyone looking into #176125 for natty? It was rejected for 8.04 saying that ipv6 was not widely used, but with world ipv6 day coming up that might change.10:08
virtualdnat vs ipv6 is the real y2k10:26
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\shhmm....unity is very strange regards to the use...updating from maverick to natty gives me a unity where I can't do anything...expect launching nautilus windows, a firefox + tomboy and workspace switcher...strange10:44
\shor I don't get it somehow10:44
Tm_T<place joke about the simplicity and gnome here>10:47
\shTm_T: I just need to poke jcastro about how to use it for real...;)10:50
Tm_TI should try it again10:57
\shafter dist-upgrade just now...it's broken11:02
davmor2\sh: that'll be the default out of the box,  the app launcher from unity in une is still being worked on I hope at which point you will lose the nautilus application launcher you get when clicking on the ubuntu icon11:05
davmor2\sh: you can at least add and remove apps from the launcher now though11:06
\shdavmor2: right now, the launcher won't even be started11:14
\sh(after update this morning)11:14
\shbut I think it has something to do with compiz..because classical desktop doesn't show any window decoration, too11:14
davmor2\sh: alt-ctrl-f1 and run unity --reset that might fix it for you11:15
\shlet's try11:15
\shdavmor2: no...it takes me to the console, yes...but I can't type in any characters the console isn't even updated (nvidia card here)11:16
\shah11:17
\shno wonder11:17
\shunity is not installed anymore, it was removed because compiz-core-abiversion-20101111 is not installable11:17
\shso compiz is the bugger in general11:17
davmor2\sh: yeap that would kill it11:18
\shbut alas...metacity --replace doesn't work, too ;)11:18
davmor2\sh: but you should be able to choose gnome classic from the login for now11:21
\shdavmor2: sure...but even that doesn't work, because of compiz...I have to disable the effects somehow...but why does metacity --replace doesn't work..that's more strange11:27
davmor2\sh: I don't have compiz-core-abiversion-20110113 installed either but I have unity up and running11:32
davmor2\sh: now how ever it's died which isn't so useful for testing :)11:38
\shdavmor2: hehe :)11:44
\shwell it's an unstable release...so it's with purpose ;)11:45
davmor2\sh: I'm safe I have yesterdays image on usbstick,  well you can't make an omelette without breaking a few packages or something like that :)11:46
\shdavmor2: don't say that too loud...I have a complete redeployment to do over the weekend..more then 400 servers needs to get lucid and we do a complete FAI redeployment run, and trying to avoid downtimes...;)11:50
davmor2\sh: they already broke that lucid package during it's dev cycle you should be safe now :D11:51
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al-maisanhallo pitti, quick question: will postgresql-9 be in natty?13:54
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geseral-maisan: unless something changed, no (I asked the same in the past)14:18
al-maisanthanks geser !14:18
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ricotzcjwatson, hello, do mind having a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgcrypt11/+bug/70276515:58
ubottuUbuntu bug 702765 in libgcrypt11 (Ubuntu) "Please update to libgcrypt11 1.4.6" [Undecided,New]15:58
pittialmaisan-away: I'm not sure myself yet16:01
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pittigeser: probably just because the name didn't tell me anything :/16:02
micahgricotz: it's usually better to add a debdiff or a branch for merges from Debian to make sure there are no tarball mismatches and so it's clear what the diff from Debian is16:02
pittigeser: I agree, they should be merged, I'll put that on my list16:03
ricotzmicahg, yeah, the debdiff would be https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+files/libgcrypt11_1.4.5-2ubuntu2_1.4.6-2ubuntu1%7Ebuild1.diff.gz16:03
ricotzmicahg, i'll attach it to the bug16:03
micahgricotz: no, I meant between the Debian version and your merge16:03
ricotzmicahg, ok16:04
micahgricotz: that way the sponsor can grab the Debian package and just add your diff to it16:04
pittibdrung: ubuntu-dev-tools is in Debian? okay, I'll do that next time then16:05
e01|afkhello, i am trying to compile smartcam driver, but getting error "smartcam.c:32:27: fatal error: linux/vmalloc.h: No such file or directory"16:05
pittibdrung: but that doesn't seem to work too well then? there were tons of changes which never got uploaded16:05
e01|afki have installed kernel headers, and kernel source16:05
bdrungpitti: because two branches are waiting for review and merge.16:05
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bdrungpitti: you didn't gave me time to review your change.16:06
pittiwell, I wasn't aware that we are supposed to16:06
pittiwe don't do that for any other package in Ubuntu16:06
bdrungpitti: did you build the package before uploading it?16:06
pittisorry if I broke the custom there, wasn't intended16:06
pittibdrung: sure16:06
pittibdrung: the test case failure didn't happen locally16:07
pittias I do have deb-src lines16:07
bdrungpitti: we started to review our changes since some releases.16:07
bdrungok, so "check-mir --help" did the same as "check-mir"16:09
bdrungpitti: you forgot to update d/copyright16:10
bdrungpitti: and 2. can you add the examples from http://www.piware.de/2011/01/new-tool-to-check-support-status-of-dependencies/ to the man page?16:10
pittibdrung: ack, will do16:11
pittibdrung: but I'll probably just merge it with 404main16:11
pittiand then update the manpage accordingly16:11
pitti(see convesation with geser above)16:12
ricotzmicahg, done, thanks16:12
bdrungpitti: ah, yes. this was my third point: only one script should stay16:12
pittibdrung: I'd like to keep check-mir as an alias, if you don't mind?16:13
bdrungpitti: or we can drop 404main and use check-mir instead?16:14
pittiI'll check out whether either is a superset of the other16:14
pittiI think 404main works on Packages.gz while check-mir works in a source package tree16:14
pitti(i. e. while you package something or do a merge)16:14
pittibut it sholdn't be too hard to support both16:14
pittii. .e parse debian/control, or a package name from apt.Cache()16:15
bdrungpitti: the man page should mention where the script takes the data from.16:15
pitti*nod* (mine does, it says "source package directory")16:16
apwpitti, natty seems to be asking to uninstall ubuntu-desktop and unity right now ... is that a transient or are we in trouble16:16
bdrungpitti: where do the data about the archive come from?16:17
pittiapw: known16:17
pittiapw: seb128 and didrocks are working hard on it16:17
pittibdrung: apt16:17
pitti(in both cases)16:17
apwpitti, thanks16:19
bdrungpitti: this should be documented in the man page16:23
pittibdrung: all added to my todo list now16:24
bdrungthanks16:24
pittibdrung: (context, this came up as an important thing in this week's "how can we make MIRs suck less" report)16:24
pittis/report/meeting/16:24
bdrungpitti: i need to have the apt sources for natty in my sources.list to get a correct report from check-mir, correct?16:26
pittibdrung: for now, yes16:26
cjwatsonricotz: I'm not really familiar with libgcrypt11, sorry16:26
bdrungpitti: for now? are there plans to change that?16:27
pittiI was pondering using LP or apt, but the latter is a lot faster and works offline, and devs shold be using the release they are developing for anyway16:27
pittibdrung: I guess it depends on the feedback16:27
bdrungpitti: at least this should be documented. :)16:27
ricotzcjwatson, ok, you were the available person who touched it once ;)16:27
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ari-tczewricotz: just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors16:40
ricotzari-tczew, already done this16:52
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Riddellskaet: do we hvae an archive admin meeting now?17:23
skaetRiddell, yup, room 51217:23
Riddellskaet: now or 10 mins?17:24
StevenKI'm heading up now17:24
skaetRiddell,   starting at 11:30.   Am in the room now.17:24
* skaet slaps head, she did it again, its 514, not 512. (room change....)17:27
skaet^^Riddell17:27
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hallynjust curious, does anyone else get a crash when they run 'cal' on their natty system?18:46
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janimohallyn, I get a crash indeed18:48
hallynjanimo: cool, not just me :)19:00
hyperairwhen uploading an SRU of a package without any ubuntu changes, i.e. something like 1.2.3-4, what should the resulting version be?19:05
hyperairalso, if i want to upload pretty much the same version to both maverick-proposed and natty, should i just upload it to maverick-proposed and have it copied over to natty, or should i upload it to natty, mangle the version, and upload to maverick-proposed?19:06
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geserhyperair: 1.2.3-4ubuntu0.1 for the SRU, and I guess about a new upload to natty, don't know if AA do copies in that direction19:23
Laneythey do if the versions are the same19:31
Laneyoh, sorry, upload to -proposed only and it will be copied to N19:32
directhexnow running extended test of banshee on arm19:52
Laneyis that "Playing Pink Floyd — The Dark Side Of The Moon while dancing in my underpants"?19:54
kklimondaLaney: they do? is it a standard practice, or something done only just after release, when there are some SRUs being pushed as soon as possible?19:58
Laneykklimonda: It's standard when the versions are the same19:58
kklimondaok, thanks19:59
janimodirecthex, I have just commented on bug 61998120:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 619981 in mono (Ubuntu Natty) "Banshee crashed while sitting idle on omap4" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61998120:12
\shdepwaits are rebuild automagically? or does someone have to give it back?20:32
StevenKThe former20:32
\shStevenK: timeframe? minutes or hours? ;)20:33
directhexjanimo, i'm seeing some other weirdness with audio - but i don't know who's to blame. possibly pulse... i'm gonna have to upgrade this thing to natty aren't i20:33
StevenKThe dependant package has to publish first and then it should notice in another hour or so?20:33
StevenKI guess?20:33
\shStevenK: ok...just asking because unity is depwait on libdee and libdee was published 26 mins ago ...20:34
StevenKlibdee might be in universe20:34
\shStevenK: no it'sin main, at least that's what lp tells me ;)20:35
StevenKlibdee is the source name?20:36
\shStevenK: no...that's bin name, dee is srv name20:36
\shs/srv/src/20:36
\shdear puppet and drbd gods, please let my puppet recipe for drbd be correct20:36
janimodirecthex, I have heard of audio issues with banshee but did not look into it at all so far20:37
directhexjanimo, need to install another gstreamer player to see if it's isolated. persists between banshee restarts, so it's weird20:37
directhexis exaile gst? i have that20:37
janimodirecthex, no idea, but I hope it does not have its own codecs :)20:39
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directhexhm, the file player i tried, parole, is file based. super weird.20:39
apwpitti, am i expecting the unity/compiz issue to be untangled?20:44
apwpitti, seems to have gotten worse here20:44
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SpamapSjdstrand: got a second to take a look at the updated cobbler copyright file?20:59
\shapw: unity ftbfsed20:59
pittiapw: seems didrocks is uploading like mad, but the local mirror lag of course doesn't help a lot21:11
pittiapw: for now I suggest to only use upgrade21:11
jdstrandSpamapS: sorry, I was training someone21:43
hallynjdstrand: new vmbuilder version is in lp:~serge-hallyn/vmbuilder-staging/, and in people.c.c:~serge/public_html/vm-builder-0.12.4+bzr462-debs.tgz (has the .debs and the source)21:44
hallynjdstrand: no hurry at all, but when you get a chance could you sponsor that for natty?21:44
SpamapSjdstrand: no worries.. its not been uploaed yet21:44
jdstrandSpamapS: if you feel it is good, feel free to upload it. we can talk via irc if there is an issue (I really need the whole source)21:45
jdstrandhallyn: ok21:45
hallynjdstrand: thanks21:46
james_wSpamapS, hi, could you please run "bzr reconfigure --unstacked lp:~clint-fewbar/ubuntu/maverick/moin/merge-1.9.3-1" or delete the branch?22:04
james_wSpamapS, I'm trying to delete the branch that it is stacked on and I can't22:04
SpamapSjames_w: certainly..22:07
SpamapSjdstrand: ack .. will do22:08
SpamapSjames_w: done22:09
james_wSpamapS, thank you22:09
SpamapSjames_w: any chance you can get sysvinit to not fail too? ;)22:14
SpamapShttp://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/sysvinit.html#2010-06-16 12:21:03.21248322:14
james_wSpamapS, hmm, needs some investigation22:14
james_wI'll try and escalate it in here22:15
SpamapSjames_w: is there any way I can help w/ stuff like that?22:16
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jdstrandhallyn: uploaded22:48
jcastrorobbiew: Debian meeting! :)23:01
robbiewjcastro: yeah...yeah23:03
keesjcastro: ooh, I can read your screen23:03
keesjcastro: http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat#DifferencesbetweenDEP5andSPDX23:29
pittidpm: hi! maverick ppa cronjob is currently disabled, would you know why we did that?23:39
pittidpm: we don't seem to have any in -proposed right now23:40
dpmpitti, probably it was disabled during the testing period of the maverick updates we did recently and was never enabled back23:40
pittidpm: I re-enable them for now23:40
pitti*nod*23:41
dpmpitti, cool, thanks23:41
pittidpm: I rolled out danilo's po2xpi branch and added a switch to use the old one for lucid/maverick23:41
pittidpm: let's see how this goes23:41
pittidpm: I'll request a full export now, for a223:41
pittiand disable the automatic natty cronjob23:42
dpmpitti, ah, cool. I haven't seen danilo since we spoke earlier on. Has his branch been merged into the mozillateam trunk?23:42
pittidpm: not yet, I checked out his branch for now23:42
dpmok23:42
pitticjwatson: my plymouth fix just made it to upstream trunk, so you can drop it if/when you do The Big Merge From Hell23:44
sorenThe fact that we generally start daemons once they're installed (rather than asking users to enable them first)... Is that policy written down anywhere? I can't seem to find any reference (other than the dozens of packages we have that do it).23:45
StevenKpitti: Ooooh, can haz diff?23:45
\shsoren: which ones?23:45
pittiStevenK: apt-get dist-upgrade?23:45
StevenKpitti: I just wanted to see the code difference23:45
soren\sh: Which ones what?23:45
\shsoren: daemons23:46
pittiStevenK: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/plymouth/commit/?id=f8874cb4b0725f605dc710cc845e6b5ff52ad53923:46
soren\sh: Which ones we start by default? Um... Pretty much all of them? Apache, dovecot, ntp.. Which ones don't we start by default?23:46
pittiStevenK: that wasn't actually the cause for the corruption, but it works around the gcc bug, and is a correct thing anyway23:46
StevenKpitti: Crumbs, 2 line diff23:47
pittiStevenK: as always, the patch is trivial once you found where to stab it :)23:47
\shsoren: just asking, because services like tftp-hpa we don't start by default, or dhcpd ;)23:47
pittiStevenK: https://bugs.freedesktop.org//show_bug.cgi?id=33129 if you are interested in details23:47
ubottuFreedesktop bug 33129 in general "integer overflow in blend_two_pixel_values()" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]23:47
soren\sh: dhcpd because there are no good, safe defaults.23:48
sorentftp-hpa... I don't know.23:48
\shsoren: but I agree, apache etc. should not be started by default until they are configured properly23:48
sorenI'm not saying they shouldn't.23:48
sorenAt all.23:48
sorenI think they totally should be started by default.23:49
sorenIf there are good, safe defaults I see no point in adding extra hoops to jump through.23:51
\shoh wow...my 7TB storage is syncing automagically after deployment...I won23:52
cjwatsonpitti: thanks23:56

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