=== JanC_ is now known as JanC === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [08:45] pitti: Hi, I saw your blog entry about "check-mir". Is it much different than the existing "404main" script in u-d-t? Perhaps they can get merged. [09:14] pitti: why did you do three uploads instead of letting review someone your changes? the upload should have done to debian. === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [10:08] Anyone looking into #176125 for natty? It was rejected for 8.04 saying that ipv6 was not widely used, but with world ipv6 day coming up that might change. [10:26] nat vs ipv6 is the real y2k === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [10:44] <\sh> hmm....unity is very strange regards to the use...updating from maverick to natty gives me a unity where I can't do anything...expect launching nautilus windows, a firefox + tomboy and workspace switcher...strange [10:44] <\sh> or I don't get it somehow [10:47] [10:50] <\sh> Tm_T: I just need to poke jcastro about how to use it for real...;) [10:57] I should try it again [11:02] <\sh> after dist-upgrade just now...it's broken [11:05] \sh: that'll be the default out of the box, the app launcher from unity in une is still being worked on I hope at which point you will lose the nautilus application launcher you get when clicking on the ubuntu icon [11:06] \sh: you can at least add and remove apps from the launcher now though [11:14] <\sh> davmor2: right now, the launcher won't even be started [11:14] <\sh> (after update this morning) [11:14] <\sh> but I think it has something to do with compiz..because classical desktop doesn't show any window decoration, too [11:15] \sh: alt-ctrl-f1 and run unity --reset that might fix it for you [11:15] <\sh> let's try [11:16] <\sh> davmor2: no...it takes me to the console, yes...but I can't type in any characters the console isn't even updated (nvidia card here) [11:17] <\sh> ah [11:17] <\sh> no wonder [11:17] <\sh> unity is not installed anymore, it was removed because compiz-core-abiversion-20101111 is not installable [11:17] <\sh> so compiz is the bugger in general [11:18] \sh: yeap that would kill it [11:18] <\sh> but alas...metacity --replace doesn't work, too ;) [11:21] \sh: but you should be able to choose gnome classic from the login for now [11:27] <\sh> davmor2: sure...but even that doesn't work, because of compiz...I have to disable the effects somehow...but why does metacity --replace doesn't work..that's more strange [11:32] \sh: I don't have compiz-core-abiversion-20110113 installed either but I have unity up and running [11:38] \sh: now how ever it's died which isn't so useful for testing :) [11:44] <\sh> davmor2: hehe :) [11:45] <\sh> well it's an unstable release...so it's with purpose ;) [11:46] \sh: I'm safe I have yesterdays image on usbstick, well you can't make an omelette without breaking a few packages or something like that :) [11:50] <\sh> davmor2: don't say that too loud...I have a complete redeployment to do over the weekend..more then 400 servers needs to get lucid and we do a complete FAI redeployment run, and trying to avoid downtimes...;) [11:51] \sh: they already broke that lucid package during it's dev cycle you should be safe now :D === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:54] hallo pitti, quick question: will postgresql-9 be in natty? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:18] al-maisan: unless something changed, no (I asked the same in the past) [14:18] thanks geser ! === james is now known as Guest47356 === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [15:58] cjwatson, hello, do mind having a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgcrypt11/+bug/702765 [15:58] Ubuntu bug 702765 in libgcrypt11 (Ubuntu) "Please update to libgcrypt11 1.4.6" [Undecided,New] [16:01] almaisan-away: I'm not sure myself yet === deryck is now known as deryck[lunch] [16:02] geser: probably just because the name didn't tell me anything :/ [16:02] ricotz: it's usually better to add a debdiff or a branch for merges from Debian to make sure there are no tarball mismatches and so it's clear what the diff from Debian is [16:03] geser: I agree, they should be merged, I'll put that on my list [16:03] micahg, yeah, the debdiff would be https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/staging/+files/libgcrypt11_1.4.5-2ubuntu2_1.4.6-2ubuntu1%7Ebuild1.diff.gz [16:03] micahg, i'll attach it to the bug [16:03] ricotz: no, I meant between the Debian version and your merge [16:04] micahg, ok [16:04] ricotz: that way the sponsor can grab the Debian package and just add your diff to it [16:05] bdrung: ubuntu-dev-tools is in Debian? okay, I'll do that next time then [16:05] hello, i am trying to compile smartcam driver, but getting error "smartcam.c:32:27: fatal error: linux/vmalloc.h: No such file or directory" [16:05] bdrung: but that doesn't seem to work too well then? there were tons of changes which never got uploaded [16:05] i have installed kernel headers, and kernel source [16:05] pitti: because two branches are waiting for review and merge. === e01|afk is now known as e01 [16:06] pitti: you didn't gave me time to review your change. [16:06] well, I wasn't aware that we are supposed to [16:06] we don't do that for any other package in Ubuntu [16:06] pitti: did you build the package before uploading it? [16:06] sorry if I broke the custom there, wasn't intended [16:06] bdrung: sure [16:07] bdrung: the test case failure didn't happen locally [16:07] as I do have deb-src lines [16:07] pitti: we started to review our changes since some releases. [16:09] ok, so "check-mir --help" did the same as "check-mir" [16:10] pitti: you forgot to update d/copyright [16:10] pitti: and 2. can you add the examples from http://www.piware.de/2011/01/new-tool-to-check-support-status-of-dependencies/ to the man page? [16:11] bdrung: ack, will do [16:11] bdrung: but I'll probably just merge it with 404main [16:11] and then update the manpage accordingly [16:12] (see convesation with geser above) [16:12] micahg, done, thanks [16:12] pitti: ah, yes. this was my third point: only one script should stay [16:13] bdrung: I'd like to keep check-mir as an alias, if you don't mind? [16:14] pitti: or we can drop 404main and use check-mir instead? [16:14] I'll check out whether either is a superset of the other [16:14] I think 404main works on Packages.gz while check-mir works in a source package tree [16:14] (i. e. while you package something or do a merge) [16:14] but it sholdn't be too hard to support both [16:15] i. .e parse debian/control, or a package name from apt.Cache() [16:15] pitti: the man page should mention where the script takes the data from. [16:16] *nod* (mine does, it says "source package directory") [16:16] pitti, natty seems to be asking to uninstall ubuntu-desktop and unity right now ... is that a transient or are we in trouble [16:17] pitti: where do the data about the archive come from? [16:17] apw: known [16:17] apw: seb128 and didrocks are working hard on it [16:17] bdrung: apt [16:17] (in both cases) [16:19] pitti, thanks [16:23] pitti: this should be documented in the man page [16:24] bdrung: all added to my todo list now [16:24] thanks [16:24] bdrung: (context, this came up as an important thing in this week's "how can we make MIRs suck less" report) [16:24] s/report/meeting/ [16:26] pitti: i need to have the apt sources for natty in my sources.list to get a correct report from check-mir, correct? [16:26] bdrung: for now, yes [16:26] ricotz: I'm not really familiar with libgcrypt11, sorry [16:27] pitti: for now? are there plans to change that? [16:27] I was pondering using LP or apt, but the latter is a lot faster and works offline, and devs shold be using the release they are developing for anyway [16:27] bdrung: I guess it depends on the feedback [16:27] pitti: at least this should be documented. :) [16:27] cjwatson, ok, you were the available person who touched it once ;) === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch [16:40] ricotz: just subscribe ubuntu-sponsors [16:52] ari-tczew, already done this === deryck[lunch] is now known as deryck === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [17:23] skaet: do we hvae an archive admin meeting now? [17:23] Riddell, yup, room 512 [17:24] skaet: now or 10 mins? [17:24] I'm heading up now [17:24] Riddell, starting at 11:30. Am in the room now. [17:27] * skaet slaps head, she did it again, its 514, not 512. (room change....) [17:27] ^^Riddell === akssps011__ is now known as akssps011 === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [18:46] just curious, does anyone else get a crash when they run 'cal' on their natty system? === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [18:48] hallyn, I get a crash indeed [19:00] janimo: cool, not just me :) [19:05] when uploading an SRU of a package without any ubuntu changes, i.e. something like 1.2.3-4, what should the resulting version be? [19:06] also, if i want to upload pretty much the same version to both maverick-proposed and natty, should i just upload it to maverick-proposed and have it copied over to natty, or should i upload it to natty, mangle the version, and upload to maverick-proposed? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [19:23] hyperair: 1.2.3-4ubuntu0.1 for the SRU, and I guess about a new upload to natty, don't know if AA do copies in that direction [19:31] they do if the versions are the same [19:32] oh, sorry, upload to -proposed only and it will be copied to N [19:52] now running extended test of banshee on arm [19:54] is that "Playing Pink Floyd — The Dark Side Of The Moon while dancing in my underpants"? [19:58] Laney: they do? is it a standard practice, or something done only just after release, when there are some SRUs being pushed as soon as possible? [19:58] kklimonda: It's standard when the versions are the same [19:59] ok, thanks [20:12] directhex, I have just commented on bug 619981 [20:12] Launchpad bug 619981 in mono (Ubuntu Natty) "Banshee crashed while sitting idle on omap4" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/619981 [20:32] <\sh> depwaits are rebuild automagically? or does someone have to give it back? [20:32] The former [20:33] <\sh> StevenK: timeframe? minutes or hours? ;) [20:33] janimo, i'm seeing some other weirdness with audio - but i don't know who's to blame. possibly pulse... i'm gonna have to upgrade this thing to natty aren't i [20:33] The dependant package has to publish first and then it should notice in another hour or so? [20:33] I guess? [20:34] <\sh> StevenK: ok...just asking because unity is depwait on libdee and libdee was published 26 mins ago ... [20:34] libdee might be in universe [20:35] <\sh> StevenK: no it'sin main, at least that's what lp tells me ;) [20:36] libdee is the source name? [20:36] <\sh> StevenK: no...that's bin name, dee is srv name [20:36] <\sh> s/srv/src/ [20:36] <\sh> dear puppet and drbd gods, please let my puppet recipe for drbd be correct [20:37] directhex, I have heard of audio issues with banshee but did not look into it at all so far [20:37] janimo, need to install another gstreamer player to see if it's isolated. persists between banshee restarts, so it's weird [20:37] is exaile gst? i have that [20:39] directhex, no idea, but I hope it does not have its own codecs :) === jj-afk is now known as jjohansen [20:39] hm, the file player i tried, parole, is file based. super weird. [20:44] pitti, am i expecting the unity/compiz issue to be untangled? [20:44] pitti, seems to have gotten worse here === pedro__ is now known as pedro_ [20:59] jdstrand: got a second to take a look at the updated cobbler copyright file? [20:59] <\sh> apw: unity ftbfsed [21:11] apw: seems didrocks is uploading like mad, but the local mirror lag of course doesn't help a lot [21:11] apw: for now I suggest to only use upgrade [21:43] SpamapS: sorry, I was training someone [21:44] jdstrand: new vmbuilder version is in lp:~serge-hallyn/vmbuilder-staging/, and in people.c.c:~serge/public_html/vm-builder-0.12.4+bzr462-debs.tgz (has the .debs and the source) [21:44] jdstrand: no hurry at all, but when you get a chance could you sponsor that for natty? [21:44] jdstrand: no worries.. its not been uploaed yet [21:45] SpamapS: if you feel it is good, feel free to upload it. we can talk via irc if there is an issue (I really need the whole source) [21:45] hallyn: ok [21:46] jdstrand: thanks [22:04] SpamapS, hi, could you please run "bzr reconfigure --unstacked lp:~clint-fewbar/ubuntu/maverick/moin/merge-1.9.3-1" or delete the branch? [22:04] SpamapS, I'm trying to delete the branch that it is stacked on and I can't [22:07] james_w: certainly.. [22:08] jdstrand: ack .. will do [22:09] james_w: done [22:09] SpamapS, thank you [22:14] james_w: any chance you can get sysvinit to not fail too? ;) [22:14] http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/sysvinit.html#2010-06-16 12:21:03.212483 [22:14] SpamapS, hmm, needs some investigation [22:15] I'll try and escalate it in here [22:16] james_w: is there any way I can help w/ stuff like that? === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [22:48] hallyn: uploaded [23:01] robbiew: Debian meeting! :) [23:03] jcastro: yeah...yeah [23:03] jcastro: ooh, I can read your screen [23:29] jcastro: http://wiki.debian.org/Proposals/CopyrightFormat#DifferencesbetweenDEP5andSPDX [23:39] dpm: hi! maverick ppa cronjob is currently disabled, would you know why we did that? [23:40] dpm: we don't seem to have any in -proposed right now [23:40] pitti, probably it was disabled during the testing period of the maverick updates we did recently and was never enabled back [23:40] dpm: I re-enable them for now [23:41] *nod* [23:41] pitti, cool, thanks [23:41] dpm: I rolled out danilo's po2xpi branch and added a switch to use the old one for lucid/maverick [23:41] dpm: let's see how this goes [23:41] dpm: I'll request a full export now, for a2 [23:42] and disable the automatic natty cronjob [23:42] pitti, ah, cool. I haven't seen danilo since we spoke earlier on. Has his branch been merged into the mozillateam trunk? [23:42] dpm: not yet, I checked out his branch for now [23:42] ok [23:44] cjwatson: my plymouth fix just made it to upstream trunk, so you can drop it if/when you do The Big Merge From Hell [23:45] The fact that we generally start daemons once they're installed (rather than asking users to enable them first)... Is that policy written down anywhere? I can't seem to find any reference (other than the dozens of packages we have that do it). [23:45] pitti: Ooooh, can haz diff? [23:45] <\sh> soren: which ones? [23:45] StevenK: apt-get dist-upgrade? [23:45] pitti: I just wanted to see the code difference [23:45] \sh: Which ones what? [23:46] <\sh> soren: daemons [23:46] StevenK: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/plymouth/commit/?id=f8874cb4b0725f605dc710cc845e6b5ff52ad539 [23:46] \sh: Which ones we start by default? Um... Pretty much all of them? Apache, dovecot, ntp.. Which ones don't we start by default? [23:46] StevenK: that wasn't actually the cause for the corruption, but it works around the gcc bug, and is a correct thing anyway [23:47] pitti: Crumbs, 2 line diff [23:47] StevenK: as always, the patch is trivial once you found where to stab it :) [23:47] <\sh> soren: just asking, because services like tftp-hpa we don't start by default, or dhcpd ;) [23:47] StevenK: https://bugs.freedesktop.org//show_bug.cgi?id=33129 if you are interested in details [23:47] Freedesktop bug 33129 in general "integer overflow in blend_two_pixel_values()" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [23:48] \sh: dhcpd because there are no good, safe defaults. [23:48] tftp-hpa... I don't know. [23:48] <\sh> soren: but I agree, apache etc. should not be started by default until they are configured properly [23:48] I'm not saying they shouldn't. [23:48] At all. [23:49] I think they totally should be started by default. [23:51] If there are good, safe defaults I see no point in adding extra hoops to jump through. [23:52] <\sh> oh wow...my 7TB storage is syncing automagically after deployment...I won [23:56] pitti: thanks