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leoquantvia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar I try to add an event via a gmail account to ubuntu : http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar13:12
leoquantbut the event isn't on the fridge yet13:13
leoquantsomeone into fridge calendar?13:13
Pendulumleoquant: you may get better luck asking in #ubbuntu-news13:14
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* ara waves15:58
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* marjo waves16:01
apwo/16:01
araskaet is coming in a minute16:02
arashe's having connection issues16:02
arahere she is!16:02
skaet#startmeeting16:03
MootBotMeeting started at 10:03. The chair is skaet.16:03
ograwoohoo16:03
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skaet:)16:03
skaetthanks ara16:03
skaetReminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.    If someone wants to comment on the last point, please "o/", so we know to wait16:03
skaet[Topic] Natty overview - skaet16:03
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skaetAgenda is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-01-1416:03
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skaetAlpha 2 tasks, as indicated by the burn down charts are starting indicate progress, but overall above trend line.  see: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/all-natty-alpha-2.html16:04
skaetMilestoned bugs for alpha2 can be found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.milestone=33572.16:04
skaetgiven that we've all been at the rally this week, there hasn't been much progess on the bugs and its starting to get a bit worrying.16:04
skaetCould the leads please take a look at them and update them in the wiki, after the meeting if they don't have comments ready today.16:05
pittiack16:05
skaetare there any questions?16:05
skaet..16:05
skaet[Topic] update on action items - skaet16:06
skaetsee agenda for latest status.  overall some good progress on that front this week.  :)16:06
MootBotNew Topic:  update on action items - skaet16:06
skaet..16:06
skaetany further updates that need to be added?   new issues?16:07
skaetok then on to the round tables...16:07
skaet[Topic] QA team update - marjo16:07
MootBotNew Topic:  QA team update - marjo16:07
marjoNatty Work Items16:08
marjohttp://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-platform-qa-natty-alpha-2.html16:08
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-platform-qa-natty-alpha-2.html16:08
marjopitti: is that better? :)16:08
marjohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-uec-qa16:08
marjohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-server-n-qa16:08
marjohggdh and zul made some progress this week16:08
marjohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-qa-n-bugsquad-doc-review16:08
marjo100% pedro finished work item this week16:08
skaet:)16:09
marjothank you pedro!16:09
skaetthank you from me too.  :)16:09
marjohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-qa-n-bugsquad-roadmap16:09
marjo[brian-murray] bdmurray Add support information to bug reporting guidelines: BLOCKED on http://launchpad.net/bugs/69278716:09
ubottuUbuntu bug 692787 in Launchpad itself "unable to update Ubuntu bug reporting guidelines" [Critical,Triaged]16:09
marjo[charlie-tca] create bugsquad-mentor-teamA icon / artwork: Will worked on it this week16:09
marjoQA Dashboard16:09
marjohttp://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qadashboard/qadashboard.html16:09
marjoNote: alsa-driver, light-themes & grub2 as top packages with new bugs16:09
MootBotLINK received:  http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/qadashboard/qadashboard.html16:09
marjoQA Team has been busy creating new desktop integration tests this week. 36 new tests as of yesterday.16:10
marjo..16:10
skaet:)  thanks marjo16:10
skaetany questions?16:10
* skaet is happy to see the new tests emerging - YAY!16:10
marjoskaet: ack!16:10
skaet[Topic] Hardware Certification team update - ara16:11
MootBotNew Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - ara16:11
arahello all!16:11
araSo, the main thing to comment is that the issue that we had with our infrastructure that prevented us from testing the servers is now fixed16:11
ara\o/16:11
skaet*\o/*16:11
araSo this week we were able to test clients and servers16:11
araThe report is available, as usual, at:16:11
ara[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/current16:11
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/current16:11
araThe only important issue that we got was a kernel panic in one of the servers when installing the server image. We reported the bug:16:11
ara[LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/70216616:11
araIt can be a natty issue for that HW, so it might be good to track that one.16:11
MootBotLINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/70216616:11
ubottuUbuntu bug 702166 in linux (Ubuntu) "Oops during install of Natty on HP ProLiant ML350 G5" [Undecided,New]16:11
ara..16:12
skaetThanks ara,  will add that one to the list16:12
skaetthanks for flagging.16:12
skaetany questions for ara?16:12
skaet[Topic] Security team update - jdstrand16:12
MootBotNew Topic:  Security team update - jdstrand16:12
jdstrandhi16:13
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jdstrand[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:13
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:13
jdstrand[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html16:13
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-security.html16:13
jdstrandWe have gone through all our unfinished work items, reprioritized and brought them into reality. Our burndown looks considerably better now. We have been able to work on and close a few during the rally as well. (yea :)16:13
skaet:)16:13
jdstrandIn terms of bugs, there are a couple of natty/firefox bugs I need to follow up on, but they are minor. We have no pending features for alpha-2.16:14
jdstrand(related to apparmor)16:14
skaetack16:14
jdstrandthe gimp security bug is undergoing triage as we speak16:14
jdstrand..16:14
skaetthanks jdstrand!   any questions?16:15
* skaet will take a closer look at the unfinished work items later today :)16:15
skaet[Topic] Kernel team update - apw16:15
MootBotNew Topic:  Kernel team update - apw16:15
* skaet looks around for apw...16:16
apwo/16:17
skaet:)16:17
apwOverall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for the release milestone is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:16:17
apw[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:17
apw[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-2.html16:17
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty16:17
apw[LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg16:17
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team-natty-alpha-2.html16:17
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.svg16:17
apwWe are progressing on our natty-alpha-2 items, some of the natty-alpha-1 items remain but we continue to close them.  The remaining pushed out items are listed with background on the overall status above (first link).  Overall burndown we are still below the line, so we should be able to catch up.  This week a number of security related items were postponed improving things significantly.16:17
apw(thanks jdstrand :)16:17
apwOf the bugs called out on the agenda: #686692 is likely related to the low memory constraints of this image type, investigation centres on this; #621195 are reporting benign messages, we are looking at suppressing these in production; for the rest there is little progress due to Rally commitments, status for all of these bugs are included on the first link above.16:17
apwThe main distro kernel remains at v2.6.37, we will remain on this version for a couple of weeks while the early 2.6.38 release candidates shake out.16:17
apw..16:18
pittiah, so plan is to have .38 in natty?16:18
pittior backports from it?16:18
pitti(won't get that a little tight for .38 final?)16:18
apwpitti, the plan is to aim for .38 yes, that is best alligned with timing and things like touch16:18
skaetthanks apw.16:19
apwnp16:19
skaetwill the bugs get some focus next week?   they've been hanging around for a while now.  (understandable with holidays, rally, etc - but alpha 2 is approaching :p )16:20
apwskaet, yeah as mainline is quiet we'll have some time16:21
skaetcool.  :)16:21
skaetany other questions?16:21
skaet[Topic] Foundations team update - cjwatson16:21
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cjwatsonhttp://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-foundations.html16:21
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cjwatsonVery pleased with work item progress this week; well below the trend line now, and good progress on lots of other substantial pieces of work16:21
cjwatsonBugs: Oh dear.  Sorry.  I promise to go through these in detail with the team today!16:21
cjwatsonFeature update:16:21
cjwatsonUpstart overrides code-complete; lots of discussions with kernel on improving testing landscape for upstart16:21
cjwatsonUpstart-in-initramfs detailed planning work; this is likely to be a multi-cycle project, but we're past the initial pain points now16:22
cjwatsonRatings-and-reviews ready for deployment on staging; no blockers envisioned for deployment on production by feature freeze; need to consider further improvements for spam-resistance and similar16:22
cjwatsonHacking usb-creator into shape, and bringing ayan up to speed on it; research work on disk testing framework for usb-creator and ubiquity16:22
cjwatsonTwo test rebuilds:16:22
cjwatson - general buildability (http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110107-natty.html)16:22
cjwatson - gcc-4.6 (http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110111-gcc-natty.html)16:22
cjwatsonWorking on Python 3 transition plan, aiming to be able to ship only Python 3 on the CD by the next LTS - pitti's sprint work on GIR should help a lot, of course16:22
cjwatsonDiscussions at rally with bzr guys regarding UDD, identifying top issues16:22
cjwatsonSet up workshop with kernel/X teams to analyse people's graphical boot problems: the vast majority seem to reduce to a small number of fairly well-understood and tractable problems, so confident about this now16:22
cjwatson - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Grub2BootFramebuffer/Whiteboard16:22
cjwatson..16:22
skaetthanks cjwatson.  :)16:22
skaetAppreciate you looking at the bugs,  I was about to ask  ;)  and delighted to hear about the features.16:23
skaetany questions?16:23
cjwatsonI'm actually not very *worried* about most of the bugs, but we definitely need to clean them up16:23
cjwatsonBTW, we can't do anything about bug 605042 - it relies on an updated kernel16:24
* skaet feels a bit better. :)16:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 605042 in eglibc (Ubuntu Natty) "[armel] java fails to start with eglibc-2.12-0ubuntu4" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60504216:24
skaetack16:24
cjwatsonJeremy Kerr has managed to reproduce it, but that was the last update on the bug16:24
cjwatsonso that should be -> kernel team for now, IMO16:24
skaetok,  go ahead and reassign then, and I'll track it there from now on.16:25
* apw looks for soemthing to swap with cjwatson :)16:25
skaetlol16:25
cjwatsonthe assignments in the bug are correct16:25
skaetokie16:25
skaetmoving on then...16:25
cjwatsonit has a lucid task assigned to the kernel team, which is blocking maverick/natty tasks assigned to doko16:25
skaet[Topic] Server team update - zul16:25
MootBotNew Topic:  Server team update - zul16:25
zulhi16:25
zul[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/16:25
zulLots of progress has been made this week but we are still behind the trend line. I am sure that more work item will be updated today so that it will look even beter. Some work items will also be probably deferred to alpha-3.16:25
zulOn the release critical bug front:16:25
zul 697181 - php5 - was fixed last week16:25
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus/16:25
zul 697753 - eucalyptus - no prgress was made16:25
zul 689944 - cluster-agents - talked to andreas about it, will be looked at today.16:25
zul 665667 - euca2ools - cant launch a AMI bundle almost fixed by smoser.16:25
zul...16:26
skaetthanks zul.  :)16:26
skaetwill dig into your charts in a bit more detail later.16:26
skaetglad to hear about the progress this week.   :)16:26
zulso am i :)16:27
skaetany questions?16:27
skaet:)16:27
skaet[Topic] Desktop team update - pitti16:27
MootBotNew Topic:  Desktop team update - pitti16:27
pittiBlueprint implementation:16:27
pitti * On track for entire cycle16:27
pitti * Got back on track for alpha-216:27
pittiGeneral status:16:27
pitti * GTK 3 theming problem was solved for natty by fixing GTK2 enough to work with our ported gobject-introspection; apport, language-selector and friends now use GTK2 with GI and GTK3 fell off the CD.16:27
pitti * We are currently updating to the gdbus port of the indicators and other intrusive changes, which will cause some temporary uninstallability.16:27
pittiCD space savings:16:27
pitti * We got some 25 MB of space savings identified at the sprint, 14 of them are in Natty; remaining is xulrunner-2.0 which should fall off soon. I. e. we are in good shape now \o/16:27
pittiRC bugs:16:28
pitti * most of the new ones from the agenda are actually unity/compiz bugs and fall  into the DX domain16:28
pitti * New on the list is bug 692665; I fixed the root cause in langpack-o-matic, now need language pack -base rebuild, which will happen next week16:28
pitti * bug 637827: Chris Coulson put out a test package in a PPA and public call for testing, so this should land soon16:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 692665 in language-pack-gnome-zh-hans-base (Ubuntu Natty) "language packs don't contain gnome-user-guide translations" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69266516:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 637827 in firefox (Ubuntu Natty) "Firefox and Thunderbird (XUL) menus don't appear in the global menu bar" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63782716:28
pitti..16:28
skaetThanks pitti,   *\o/* for the space, and awesome burn down chart!!!16:28
* pitti bows16:28
skaet:)16:28
skaetany questions?16:28
skaet[Topic] Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover16:29
MootBotNew Topic:  Ubuntu One Team - joshuahoover16:29
joshuahoover[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus16:29
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/NattyReleaseStatus16:29
joshuahooverdetails on where we're at with blueprints and releases are in the link above16:29
joshuahooverfirst (big) bit of speeding up file sync performance made it into ubuntuone-client 1.5.2 with a new metadata backend for syncdaemon...we've seen as much as 96x better performance with scanning local u1 metadata16:29
joshuahooverdesktopcouch 1.0.5 made it (finally!) in this week, which includes a lot of refactoring work16:29
joshuahooversome members of the u1 team met with njpatel at the rally this week and we have a plan to move forward with u1 unity integration, including a launcher item that will give some indication as to syncing progress16:30
joshuahooverand that's about it16:30
joshuahoover..16:30
skaetThanks joshuahoover!16:30
skaetany questions?16:31
* skaet will be digging into these charts too.... :) post rally16:31
skaet[Topic] Kubuntu Team update - Riddell16:31
MootBotNew Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - Riddell16:31
* skaet looks around for Riddell?16:32
ScottKNot sure if Riddell's around or not (I haven't been until just now myself).16:33
ScottKWe're getting close to 4.6.0 release and things are in general going well.16:33
ScottKI don't have details prepared though.16:33
skaetThanks for steopping in ScottK.16:33
skaetstepping even16:33
skaetwill see if he shows up later, and has further comments.   glad things are going well.16:34
skaet[Topic] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth16:34
MootBotNew Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth16:34
dbarth_hi16:34
skaethi16:34
dbarth_status update at the usual address: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/NattyReleaseStatus16:34
dbarth_and here is a quick summary of what happened this week16:34
dbarth_on the shell front, mostly getting back to making weekly releases: unity, compiz16:35
dbarth_the compiz bug triaging is still in progress, but we've started narrowing down a list at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bugs?field.tag=natty16:35
dbarth_at the unity foundation level a lot was released16:36
dbarth_with all of the dbusmenu and indicator libs16:36
dbarth_that have been uploaded into natty16:36
dbarth_some of them are still being released as i speak (msging indicator)16:36
dbarth_it breaks apis unfortunately, so requires a couple of rebuilds16:36
skaetack.  thanks for heads up.16:37
dbarth_also, a new libunity project has been created to gather all of the different unity related apis under a common "roof"16:37
dbarth_places and a new quicklist api are going there16:37
dbarth_it's mostly a packaging change at the moment, it should be the last for unity this cycle i think16:38
skaet..?16:38
dbarth_bugs, we still have too many, but with the actions taken with the qa team, it should get clearer hoepfully next week16:38
dbarth_(expiring olds ones, and reviewing prios)16:39
dbarth_and that's it ;)16:39
dbarth_..16:39
skaetthanks dbarth_ !    :)16:39
skaetlooking forward to things shaking out, and seeing some of those bugs close ;)16:39
skaetany questions?16:39
skaet[Topic] ARM team update - ogra16:40
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM team update - ogra16:40
ograi must admit i havent really prepared something since since this morning the air is burning for the arm team16:40
ograbut ......16:40
ograi'm really proud to present you this: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-arm-natty-alpha-2.html16:40
ogra:)16:40
skaet*\o/*  woo hoo!!16:41
* pitti applauds16:41
ograwe didnt do much bugwork this week16:41
ograbut the specs are in shape for a216:41
ograand you can expect some nice surprise hitting the archive within the next hours ;)16:41
ogra..16:41
skaetcool.16:42
pittiogra: dput letterbomb_11.04_source.changes?16:42
ogralol16:42
skaetthanks ogra!   will be looking for it.  :)16:42
skaetany questions?16:42
pittiogra: (thinking about "Schluempfe" -- nevermind)16:43
skaet[Topic] MOTU team update - ScottK16:43
MootBotNew Topic:  MOTU team update - ScottK16:43
ScottKStill lots of DSO linking, gcc 4.5 and python2.7 work to be done.16:44
ScottKNothing new to report  really.16:44
ScottKSlow progress and we'll see how far we get.16:44
skaet..?16:44
ScottK..16:44
skaetThanks ScottK.16:44
skaetWill you be around early next week?   want to brainstorm a bit on IRC on the backlog.16:45
* skaet noting its a long weekend in the US ;)16:45
ScottKShould be on Monday.16:47
skaetcool.   Thanks - will look for you then.  :)16:47
skaet[Topic] Linaro update - JamieBennett16:47
MootBotNew Topic:  Linaro update - JamieBennett16:47
JamieBennettHi Kate,16:47
skaethi!16:47
JamieBennettLast I heard, the Ubuntu ARM team are still undecided whether or not they will take the Linaro OMAP3 kernel. Consensus what that at the moment that won’t happen but that could of changed, maybe ogra knows more? jcrigby will accommodate necessary Ubuntu changes.16:47
JamieBennettAs for ARMv7 string tuning in GLIBC, this will be worked on in the coming month and we are hopeful that something will be able to be used this cycle. I’ll keep you posted.16:48
JamieBennettQEMU is being released by the toolchain group monthly starting next month (second Tuesday) so we could fold that into the release.16:48
ograJamieBennett, we wont16:48
JamieBennettogra: OK16:48
ograomap3 is built from the linux package again16:48
JamieBennettLast but not least, Michael Hope has committed to testing qt-x11 with the volatile int fix.16:49
ogranobody wanted to commit to do SRU and security fixed to the linaro one16:49
ogra*fixes16:49
skaetthanks to Michael Hope for the testing.  :)16:49
JamieBennett:)16:49
* skaet will update that action item in the agenda later16:49
JamieBennettquestions?16:50
skaetThanks JamieBennett ( you caught all of mine in your summary :)  )16:50
skaet[Topic] any other kudos/comments/questions?16:50
MootBotNew Topic:  any other kudos/comments/questions?16:50
Amaranthkudos :)16:51
skaetKudo:  Thank you to eveyone here today - we may actually finish this meeting in an hour,  nice and efficient.  :)16:51
* skaet looks around...16:52
skaetgoing once16:52
skaettwice16:52
marjoskaet: thx!16:52
skaet#endmeeting16:52
MootBotMeeting finished at 10:52.16:52
pittithanks everyone16:52
arathanks!16:52
skaetThanks  marjo, ara, jdstrand, apw, cjwatson, pitti,  zul, joshuahoover,  dbarth, ogra,  ScottK, JamieBennett16:52
ograthanks skaet16:53
joshuahooverthanks skaet16:53
zulno thank you16:53
skaet:)16:54
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