| === davida is now known as davidascher | ||
| === JanC_ is now known as JanC | ||
| profus2 | hi everybody | 11:55 |
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| profus2 | need help with thunderbird lightning | 11:57 |
| profus2 | tried to import calendars, but they are integrated in "private calender", instead of being shown separately | 11:57 |
| fta | chrisccoulson, hi, why did you rename nss? | 16:24 |
| chrisccoulson | fta - the previous package name was versioned, despite us not shipping versioned so's for ages now | 16:25 |
| chrisccoulson | there's still a versioned transitional package for debian compatibility though | 16:26 |
| chrisccoulson | did that cause you any problems? | 16:26 |
| fta | it was one of the reason for all the hold upgrades today | 16:26 |
| fta | libindicator is another one | 16:26 |
| chrisccoulson | oh, interesting. | 16:26 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, libindicator is probably expected as we're part way through a transition | 16:27 |
| fta | lots of stuff still not upgradeable | 16:27 |
| chrisccoulson | why did nss get held though? did it want to remove any packages? | 16:27 |
| fta | The following packages have been kept back: | 16:27 |
| fta | compiz compiz-core compiz-fusion-plugins-main compiz-gnome compiz-plugins devhelp-common empathy empathy-common gimp indicator-datetime libappindicator1 libcompizconfig0 | 16:27 |
| fta | libdevhelp-2-1 nautilus-sendto-empathy python-appindicator python-webkit rhythmbox rhythmbox-dbg rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder rhythmbox-plugins shotwell yelp | 16:27 |
| fta | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 22 not upgraded. | 16:27 |
| fta | chromium held because of nss | 16:27 |
| chrisccoulson | just because it wanted to install a new package or because it conflicted with another one? | 16:28 |
| chrisccoulson | how did you upgrade? | 16:28 |
| fta | it just needed the new nss | 16:28 |
| fta | so no worries | 16:29 |
| fta | those are more disturbing: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554067/ | 16:29 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, those are being worked on this morning. ken, seb and didrocks worked quite late last night but didn't get the transition finished | 16:30 |
| fta | i can see that :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/554074/ | 16:31 |
| bdrung | chrisccoulson: did something change about the extension policy? adblock-plus and co were removed. | 17:03 |
| chrisccoulson | bdrung, ask pitti ;) | 17:04 |
| chrisccoulson | seriously though, we sat down yesterday and came to the conclusion that there's no real reason for any of them to be in the archive | 17:04 |
| chrisccoulson | it's easier to just use the addons manager for those | 17:04 |
| chrisccoulson | the only ones that should be in the archive are ones that users can't easily install any other way (ie, they need compiling, etc) | 17:04 |
| bdrung | i disagree. there are other benefits for having stuff in the archive | 17:06 |
| chrisccoulson | like what? | 17:07 |
| bdrung | system wide installation of extensions. | 17:07 |
| micahg | I've toyed with the idea of an extensions PPA, but keeping them in the archive is a lot of overhead with Major version updates | 17:08 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm not sure that's a big enough advantage to justify having them around, and the user experience for system-wide extensions is going to suck really soon | 17:08 |
| bdrung | the guarantee that the extension is FLOSS | 17:08 |
| bdrung | chrisccoulson: what happens to the system wide extensions? | 17:09 |
| chrisccoulson | bdrung, system-wide extensions are often abused by ISV's on other platforms to install extensions without users consent and without an obvious way for users to uninstall them again | 17:10 |
| chrisccoulson | i think that the current plan for firefox 4 is to disable all system-wide extensions on upgrade, and present a dialog to the user asking them which ones they want to re-enable | 17:11 |
| bdrung | chrisccoulson: we are not "other" platforms ;) | 17:11 |
| chrisccoulson | well, it doesn't matter. the same will still apply if ISV's ship extensions which break firefox (or kill performance) with their applications | 17:12 |
| chrisccoulson | the only supported way to install extensions is via the addons manager | 17:12 |
| chrisccoulson | bdrung - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=596343 | 17:14 |
| ubot2 | Mozilla bug 596343 in General "Users should have exclusive control over selecting their add-ons" [Normal,New] | 17:14 |
| bdrung | FF is heading in the wrong direction | 17:14 |
| chrisccoulson | although, i've not been reading the most recent comments | 17:14 |
| chrisccoulson | why do you think that? | 17:14 |
| bdrung | their update model | 17:15 |
| chrisccoulson | what's wrong with that? | 17:16 |
| bdrung | and i don't like that their use their own updater instead of relying on the distribution package system | 17:16 |
| bdrung | their update model is the reason for dropping all extensions from the archive | 17:16 |
| chrisccoulson | well, mozilla is competing in a highly competitive market. if they want to attract new users and keep existing ones, then they need to get features to users as quickly as possible | 17:18 |
| chrisccoulson | if you want to use a browser that isn't updated as often, then perhaps you should pick one that doesn't go anywhere and has hardly any users, like epiphany ;) | 17:18 |
| micahg | bdrung: no, we still use the distro packaging to upgrade, but we need to do Major updates as we can't backport security patches | 17:18 |
| mdeslaur | there's a definite security advantage to not having the extensions in the archive | 17:18 |
| chrisccoulson | yes :) | 17:19 |
| bdrung | micahg: i was referring to the extensions | 17:19 |
| bdrung | mdeslaur: really? now i have to trust all extension writers (of the installed extensions), the mozilla extension archive and the ubuntu archive. | 17:21 |
| mdeslaur | bdrung: extensions in universe that have security issues are being neglected. I much rather have people getting security updates for them directly from the mozilla extension archive rather than use an outdated version with security issues. | 17:22 |
| mdeslaur | bdrung: your opinion may differ | 17:22 |
| === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| BUGabundo | evening folks | 22:33 |
| gnomefreak | BUGabundo: any idea what this translate to in English "je suis libre et cous" not sure what lang. that is | 22:34 |
| gnomefreak | damn | 22:34 |
| gnomefreak | let me try that again | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | french | 22:34 |
| gnomefreak | "je suis libre et vous" | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | I'm free something | 22:34 |
| BUGabundo | I'm free "and so are you" ? | 22:34 |
| mdeslaur | I am free, are you? | 22:35 |
| gnomefreak | works for me :) i cant work on that now but at least you were able to tell me the lang. its on a background i have and some day i will translate it, thanks both of you | 22:36 |
| BUGabundo | ehe he missed the question mark :) | 22:36 |
| fta | gnomefreak, "libre" in this sentence could mean both free (as in doing nothing at the moment) and available (as in not seeing anyone) | 22:45 |
| fta | gnomefreak, and that's french. the "vous" means it's polite, or shy | 22:46 |
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