[00:06] [Matthew Garrett] EFI implementation bugs - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/132477.html [00:55] are there any alternatives to brasero? when trying to burn an image brasero just ejects my disc... [00:57] cdrecord? [01:05] gran: you could try gnomebaker perhaps [01:06] or someone here may be able to help you get it working [01:06] although, this is off peak for channel activity [01:07] ill just mount it :/ [01:07] cheers guys [01:07] x [03:06] [Jonathan Riddell] Burns Supper and KDE Release Party - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4376 [03:23] Today I risked my job by installing Ubuntu on someone's computer. [03:28] I had to test his hard disk anyway and it seemed like a good opportunity to talk about Linux. [08:01] Morning [08:12] mrh [08:25] Morning all [08:46] Morning all [09:05] Good morning Friday people :) [09:06] morning bigcalm [09:06] Mornin', bigcalm. === venmx_ is now known as venmx === venmx_ is now known as venmx [09:57] morning [09:57] a flu detection system using twitter [09:57] http://geopatterns.enm.bris.ac.uk/epidemics/ [09:59] danfish: I though that was going to be like the #uksnow site, showing the locations & hot spots [10:00] morning :) [10:00] hah - that could be done I suppose [10:00] #ukflu :) [10:01] Heh [10:02] heh, you have to say #ukflu and @ the person you got it from ;-) [10:04] maybe it should be #uk-a-choo :) [10:05] so screen-x and DJones - you'll have that written and working by this evening then ;) [10:05] danfish: I'm just the idea's man, screen-x will have to do the hard work [10:06] :D [10:06] I have a really old installation that I'd like to virtualise, but I'm having problem running the kernel in KVM (its 2.6.5). What happens If I dump a new kernel in an old installation? Do libc (or anything else) versions have to match the kernel? [10:06] * DJones gets out of doing any further work as quick as he can [10:06] DJones: I'd love to have time for projects like that.. [10:09] * screen-x runs make menuconfig, haven't done for about 10 years \o/ [10:18] wicked. http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/2011/1-second-linux-boot-to-qt/ [10:18] Myrtti: but who uses QT? [10:18] MartijnVdS: that system does? [10:22] Morning [10:23] \o [10:24] * daubers drinks some home made lemsip [10:24] lemon tea + honey + dispersible paracetamol = lemsip [10:25] You could make lemon wine ;) [10:38] morning all [10:38] o/ [10:40] is there a terminal command that will tell me what services are running on what port? [10:41] winterweaver: Does netstat give that info? [10:41] dun dun duuuuunnn... [10:41] netstat -l [10:42] DJones, I shoulda tried google first yes -_- [10:42] netstat -lp gives program names as well [10:42] netstat -tupln will tell you what programs are listening on TCP and UDP ports (if run as root) [10:45] * screen-x had forgotten how long compiling a kernel takes. [10:46] _____ _ _ _ [10:46] | ___| __(_) __| | __ _ _ _| | [10:46] | |_ | '__| |/ _` |/ _` | | | | | [10:46] | _|| | | | (_| | (_| | |_| |_| [10:46] |_| |_| |_|\__,_|\__,_|\__, (_) [10:46] |___/ [10:46] Good morning! [10:47] morning popey.. [10:47] I'm guessing that says Friday in fixed width land [10:48] screen-x: you're in proportional width land? [10:48] screen-x: WITCH! BURN THE WITCH! [10:48] meh [10:49] :O [10:50] TFI [10:52] ok so I tried: netstat atup | grep ":80" but I have nothing running on that port. Yet, when I try to start a service on that port I'm told I dont have permission :( [10:52] thats because you dont :) [10:52] you won't have permission unless you're root (ports < 1024 are privileged) [10:52] ports below 1024 are protected and should be started by root [10:52] s/should/can only be/ [10:53] (well, unless you use capabilities) [10:53] ah! ok thanks ! [10:53] winterweaver: you need -n when grepping the output of netstat for port numbers [10:53] popey: you seem a little too over excited at the fact it's friday :) [10:55] I AM! [10:55] have stopped drinking on school nights [10:55] so am going to have a really nice bottle of plonk tonight [10:55] looking forward to it [10:55] aren't they mutually exclusive? [10:55] imma worried about you, son. [10:56] yay, kernel now includes small firearms, it just complied glock.o [10:59] haha! [11:00] plonk? [11:01] red wine [11:01] ah ok [11:01] why is the weather so miserable :-< [11:02] interestingly I was on holiday with wifey a few years ago, and at the bar said something like " I'd like some plonk, some red wine" [11:02] he gave me the wine menu, which we ordered from, then he brought over some champagne [11:02] I said "uh?" he said "you said champagne, plonk?" [11:03] he got quite annoyed when i told him plonk means wine where I come from [11:03] hehe [11:03] I thought ponk ~= cheap wine? [11:03] *plonk [11:04] see, different for everyone :) [11:05] I've never heard the word plonk used like that [11:06] I have [11:07] yeah, i have too [11:08] popey: you de plonk :D [11:08] I've only ever heard the word plonk used as in "Plonk that down in the corner" [11:08] Why thank you, that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me all minute. [11:08] or "You're some plonker" [11:08] http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22bottle+of+plonk%22 [11:09] hm. [11:09] food. [11:09] Australian slang [11:09] friend of mine has a book that teaches you how to speak australian [11:10] it's called "Lets Talk Strine" [11:10] (say that in an aussie accent" [11:10] s/"/)/ [11:10] G'day Sheila [11:10] oh no, its better than that :) [11:10] "Egg Nishner" [11:10] "Strewth mate, it's hot in here, is the egg nishner broken!?" [11:11] Heh, this article has a picture of wine in plastic cups with the caption "Wine in stemware befitting plonk" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_(wine) [11:11] I had to say that out loud to work out what it was.. [11:11] yeah, the whole book is like that [11:11] http://www.textfiles.com/humor/strine.txt [11:11] yay [11:12] http://vimeo.com/18732878 good point well made, lost boys is made up of one word..... [11:19] wow, I've found a modern rarity [11:19] a kettle without auto-off switch, base station and covered heat element [11:23] Odd, off-topic question: I've just seen a doobie on BBC "News" about getting an electric car from London to Edinburgh and it needing several charges on the way... Anybody know how much it costs to charge an electric car? [11:23] Oli``: depeds how much you pay for a kwh [11:23] Myrtti: it sits on a cooker right? [11:24] oly: ive seen something like 50p on some of them [11:24] screen-x: I mean at a public charge point... I assume (perhaps incorrectly) that it's a standard rate whichever you use [11:24] but taking into account the price of batteries and the time they last, works out to about the same as petrol [11:24] Oli``: public charge points exist already? [11:24] ye [11:24] screen-x: yeah [11:25] not many [11:25] same as hydo filling stations [11:25] screen-x: mostly in london from what I gather... but enough to get you around the country if you're willing to take a few dozen detours [11:25] Oli``: the man to ask is moreati when he gets online he can give you all the specs you require [11:30] http://imgur.com/ebNkR.png [11:30] Do you suppose Webroot Internet Security Essentials runs on Linpus? [11:36] Oli``, box shifters always do this when they have linux boxes [11:46] Whats the server monitoring thing called again? [11:47] guys don't upgrade natty this morning [11:48] daubers: which server monitoring thing? [11:49] davmor2: whats wrong with it? [11:50] dogmatic69: there is an unbuilt module for compiz that unity depends on so no unity [11:54] kernel compile finished, vmlinux is 123MB, kernels used to fit on floppies! [11:54] screen-x: I think I need cacti or puppet [11:55] daubers: puppet is more configuration management rather than monitoring [11:55] so probably cacti [11:55] or nagios [11:56] Nagios! That was the othe rone [11:56] ta [12:01] myyh, do I want more cup soup or not... [12:08] How long ago was your last one? [12:09] daubers, I use nagios a lot, isn't cacti the usage side of it though, reads the RRD logs and graphs them historically ? [12:23] is there an easy way to compile a 32bit kernel on a 64bit box? [12:27] *yawn* [12:29] * screen-x apologises for boring Myrtti [12:29] I'm just tired [12:29] not bored [12:29] good job its Friday then :) [12:30] I wonder would a nap be a bad idea [12:30] screen-x: don't you just need to set the flags correctly and the compiler do the rest [12:31] Myrtti: you know it would be you'd wake up be crouchy, you wouldn't sleep tonight, and you'd still feel tired [12:31] power nap \o/ [12:31] but don't let it extend into a sleep [12:32] davmor2: which flags would they be? [12:32] davmor2: it's early enough not to ruin night sleep [12:33] screen-x: no idea but is should be documented somewhere out there on t'interweb [12:33] ARCH=i386 seems to be doing something :) [12:36] screen-x: yeah but don't you really want i686? [12:36] Myrtti: naps are good :) [12:36] davmor2: probably, but at this point id be happy if it boots.. [12:36] haha [12:43] so the answer to that age old question "what happens if I dump the current stable kernel into a SLES 9 install?" is that it works :D [12:44] afternoonings all. [12:45] afternoon brobostigon [12:45] afternoonings screen-x [13:18] mutter: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [13:18] suggestons on that error when i try and start gnome-shell. [13:19] and i do hve the package installed that that lib contains. [13:22] brobostigon: have you tried asking #gnome-shell on irc.gnome.org? [13:22] dutchie: i have just asked in #debian, i will try. [13:23] it may be version or arch mismatch [13:23] try 'ldd mutter' [13:24] gtk3 broke lately too [13:25] directhex: that might explain it then, [13:30] ali1234: ptaylor@debian:~$ ldd mutter [13:30] ldd: ./mutter: No such file or directory [13:30] ldd `which mutter` [13:31] $(...) [13:53] jpds: what's wrong with backticks? [13:56] they don't nest [13:56] screen-x: You can't have backticks, within backticks. [13:57] ah ha [13:57] `````````````````````````````````````no````````````````````````````````````` [13:57] screen-x: They look ugly too, compared to $(). [13:57] I think I have used $() within `` ;-) [13:57] popey: $($($($($($($($($(NO))))))))) [13:57] Let's install a VM, within the VM! [13:57] jpds: "Yo, dawg" [13:58] The program 'NO' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: [13:58] apt-get install NO [13:58] NO! [13:58] screen-x: try "yes" [13:58] MartijnVdS: try sl :p [13:58] screen-x: I know [13:59] /exec -o yes [13:59] heh [14:02] I always prefered /exec -o yes no [14:05] daubers: I guess that's safer, you don't won't to agree with the whole of irc. [14:21] i lost my horizontal scrolling ability on my touchpad since i upgraded to 10.10, anyone got any ideas? [14:30] Afternoon folks. [14:30] Howdy tonytiger [14:30] I was wondering if anyone could recommend UK based hosting firms who supply & support Ubuntu? [14:30] Preferably with a managed backup service? [14:30] I already know about Bitfolk :) [14:30] bytemark? [14:31] Oooh, good call. [14:31] * bigcalm hugs bytemark [14:31] :) [14:37] JavaScript - what's the difference between the "browser viewport" and "HTML document" when measuring width? [14:37] bigcalm: The document can be wider than the viewport [14:37] (think horizontal scrollbar) [14:37] Doh [14:37] Thanks :) [14:37] html document is everything enclosed in the html tag [14:38] I'll be using the view port then [14:39] i just call it window :p [14:39] tonytiger: layershift also supply ubuntu and have a uk hosting option. [14:49] bigcalm: different browsers will give completely different results for both measurements anyway [14:49] you can't really use either reliably [14:50] Using jQuerym so hopefully it might be more acurate [14:50] perhaps [14:50] anyone know any UK based hosting that is linux friendly and can supply a really fast core i7 processor? [14:51] How about cloud farming instead of one machine? [14:51] AlanBell: http://www.racksrv.com/ [14:52] Oh, RackSpace will probabbly do so as well [14:53] bah, out of stick [14:53] *stock [14:53] What is? [14:53] http://www.webhostingtalk.com/tags.php?tag=core+i7 [14:53] bigcalm: the site i posted [14:53] they ran out of i7 [14:53] Ah [14:53] but AlanBell ^^ that link may be useful [14:56] thanks [14:59] I'm looking for a battery in a box that has a micro usb connector, for charging a phone when away from a socket, what would one of those be called? [15:00] like this, but hopefully with integrated micro usb cable http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=4662&t_mode=des [15:08] screen-x: I've seen them called battery boosters... [15:08] but I don't know of a generic term for them [15:08] (also, look at solar chargers, at least a few that I've seen also have usb in) [15:08] and a battery etc. [15:09] solar, interesting idea, probably make it to large to carry around though. [15:09] this looks about right, but need to find a uk supplier http://www.phonesuit.com/products/Primo_Battery_Cube_for_SmartPhones-37-10.html [15:10] screen-x: nah, the one's I've seen are solar panels with a wire with a usb mini end, and a battery box with a socket for either end of a usb lead [15:16] Zee B: by the way how did you hear about rackspace? [15:16] Customer: I asked some folk in the Ubuntu UK communit [15:18] AlanBell: 2 of our largest clients use RackSpace [15:18] They seem to be very customer focused [15:18] And all that business BS [15:20] yeah, very reputable hosters [15:20] hetzner are amazing value for money though [15:23] Didn't used to be that way, a few years ago rackspace got a bad name for itself, seem to have understood it needed to change i suppose [15:25] how can i stop users from changing the ownership on files and also stop them from changing the "other" permissions? [15:27] hello all [15:30] MOODOO! [15:31] davmor2: afternoon [15:31] MooDoo: how's life? [15:32] davmor2: yeah not bad thanks, my new SSD has just turned up :D [15:32] screen-x: I've one of these battery boosters http://www.amazon.co.uk/LUPO-POWERSTICK-Portable-Universal-Charger/dp/B000QEKXYS/ref=pd_cp_ce_3 [15:32] not bad - gives a few more hours with a high capacity rechargeable aa [15:33] diplo: yeah, can't say I like their approach too much, and they certainly used to have a bit of a bad rep from some types of customers [15:33] Anyone know of any real-life shops that're likely to have a Lenovo x100 for me to have a fiddle with? I think I want one, but I wanna test the keyboard first. [15:34] Or, does anyone have one and an opinion on how it compares with IBM thinkpad keyboards of old? [15:35] MooDoo: nice [15:50] BigRedS: the thinkpads haven't changed design in years and years, i'd say it would be a good bet that they're similar [15:51] i've used a lenovo t400, the keyboard on that is very good [15:52] How do I add a mib file for nagios to use? [15:54] i've got a X201, T400 and X60 all have good keyboards [15:58] * AlanBell tickles Daviey [16:00] X3N: nah, there's a new keyboard for them. discrete keys, sort of macbook-alike [16:01] are you sure, on an X100 ? [16:02] oh yes, so they are [16:02] X3N: yeah, i've heard rumours they're going across the TP range [16:02] I've also hear rumours that they're really rather good, though, I just refuse to believe them without trying one :) [16:08] * brobostigon returns [16:11] daubers, what are you trying to do ? [16:11] Trying to use snmp to check a device ? [16:11] If so you use check_snmp [16:11] http://nagiosplugins.org/man/check_snmp [16:12] check_snmp -H $HOSTADDRESS$ -o .1.3.6.1.4.1.24795.1 -C public [16:12] Something like that [16:30] can i use dd to put an iso onto usb flash ? [16:32] brobostigon: yes, but it may not be bootable [16:33] brobostigon: try system > administration > startup disk creator [16:33] screen-x: hmm, ithink imy trysoething like unetbooinin that case. [16:39] Has brobostigon gone all Aplle on us? [16:42] BigRedS: lol,no, i am on debian sid. an am going to try out android-x86 froyo. [16:43] ohh [16:43] brobostigon: citation neededÂ! [16:44] http://www.android-x86.org/download [16:45] #isdown [16:46] brb. [16:46] brobostigon: it was just all those i* words :) [16:47] well, both of those... [16:47] BigRedS: it was workking properly when i just looked inchrome, [16:47] hey, I'm proud of my ithink. it validates my iexistence as a cool person [16:47] brb. [16:50] Aloha [16:50] howdy [17:04] o/ czajkowski [17:04] all done at the show? [17:04] yes!!! [17:06] czajkowski: ayup [17:07] bleugh [17:07] 2 days of not checking work mail [17:11] czajkowski: prod, prod, prod that's to make up for not being here before :P [17:12] * czajkowski kicks davmor2 oi oi [17:12] czajkowski: that's the wounder when you're not at work you have to play catch up on the email and it can be most soul destroying [17:17] How can I convert a sparseimage file to iso? Or how can I burn the sparseimage? [17:33] I'm being a klutz - how do I pass the STDOUT of multiple commands sequentially to the same pipe [17:38] (echo foo ;echo bar)|less [17:39] I'd probably go with bash -c again. my one-stop-crutch :) or a named pipe (fifo), but that gets cumbersome [17:39] $ bash -c "echo one; echo two; echo three" | xargs [17:39] one two three [17:39] because what's being piped into xargs is what's coming out bash's STDOUT, rather than echo's [17:40] AlanBell has solved it well enough :-) [17:41] oh, duh, didn't spot that [17:41] Now my problem is why xmllint thinks that a uuid is not a valid xs:ID ?>?>?>? [17:41] Which I will solve myself [17:42] the sparseimage one I'm not sure how to do without a mac :/ [17:44] (hdiutil convert file.sparsebundle --format UDTO -o file.iso ;) [17:45] \o/ no more exams [17:45] for a couple of months at least [18:05] *sigh* I'd sell my left thumb for fish and chips right now :-/ [18:05] * Myrtti digs for more dry Shreddies from the box [18:09] Chippy closed? [18:10] I doubt there are any in Berlin [18:10] I just read a story about haddock and immediately want fish [18:10] FISH HERE NAO [18:10] * jacobw imagines what german jumbo sausages would be like [18:11] currywurst :D [18:11] ffffffiiiiissssssshhhhhh [18:12] lol, i've just had fish and chips [18:12] nein! [18:13] http://www.theatlantic.com/food/archive/2011/01/hooray-for-haddock-fish-return-to-the-east-coast-and-other-news/69320/ [18:14] is there a concise UK specific list of fish and seafood that should be avoided to balance the load on fisheries? [18:14] Myrtti: Eat sushi [18:14] evening all. [18:14] NOw I want fish and chips :( And the closest chippy is 3 hours away :( [18:15] 3 hours? where on earth are you? [18:15] well, 2.5 + parking time :( [18:15] in the US [18:15] it's far away so you can't eat all the fish [18:15] ah [18:15] Pendulum: they don't sell fish in the US? Or chips? [18:15] Pendulum: even in supermarkets? [18:15] it wouldn't be the same from a supermarket [18:15] jacobw: he could/should start his own then [18:15] it has to be hot so the vinegar evaporates === evilGary is now known as Gary [18:16] that'll be steakfries in the US, or you're going to be sorely disappointed [18:16] they sell them in the supermarket, but chips are not proper chips over here unless for the really specific chip shops [18:16] shauno: hah. steakfries are not chips [18:16] there are a couple chip shops in NYC run by ex-pats [18:16] they're much closer than fries :) [18:17] they make me homesick for the UK (even though I've never actually lived in the UK ;) ) [18:17] is your family english? [18:17] * dutchie is sure that there are no chip shops in oxford :( [18:18] it was a bit of a turning point for me when I found a store that had irnbru [18:18] dutchie: Oxford isn't part of England then? [18:18] dutchie: ibelieve there are, i have been to one. [18:18] brobostigon: oh? where? [18:18] dutchie: intown centre. [18:18] I know there's one out botley way [18:19] that's much too far for me to walk... [18:19] i think there one justdown from the train station aswell. [18:19] http://goo.gl/maps/aDH9 ? :) [18:19] ooh, high street [18:19] that isn't too far [18:19] google -> fish and chips near oxford -> \o/ [18:20] * dutchie revises to "no ship shops on my side of oxford" then [18:20] brobostigon: train station's on botley road. we could be very scarily be thinking of the same place [18:20] shauno: you maybe right, yes. [18:20] dutchie: http://goo.gl/maps/7MJ2 then? [18:20] woo, even better [18:21] :) [18:22] m mmmmmm haddock [18:23] * brobostigon is very allergic to fish, [18:23] brobostigon: I'll get me coat then :( [18:24] danfish: hmm, :( [18:24] :) [18:24] * brobostigon avoids, [18:25] * brobostigon has pork chops anyways, :) [18:25] * jacobw wasn't aware that one could be allergic to fish [18:26] jacobw: yep, it's both the proteins and oils in fish [18:26] i see [18:26] ooh, David Mitchell in QI tonight [18:26] brobostigon: not lamb chops? :) [18:26] * brobostigon has it marjed onhis sky tv guide, :) [18:27] he'll be wearing a jumper over a shirt with a collar [18:27] jacobw: again? :) [18:27] MartijnVdS: hmm, [18:27] david mitchell that is, i can't talk for anybody else [18:27] Apart from dabs, what are good UK sites for getting tech stuff? [18:27] * balor rarely buys stuff [18:27] jacobw: did you see his video on "wearing th same thing every vidoe" [18:28] i have not seen that video [18:28] balor: what sort of tech stuff - PC stuff or electronics? [18:28] so he is aware of his predictable dress sense? [18:29] balor: ccl? [18:29] danfish: motherboards etc.. [18:30] * brobostigon gets a beer. [18:30] beer! [18:30] * brobostigon gets MartijnVdS a leffe [18:30] * MartijnVdS has Hertog Jan in the fridge [18:30] :) [18:31] balor: overclockers are OK [18:31] brobostigon: http://www.hertogjan.nl/site/040103-Karakter.php [18:31] MartijnVdS: thanks for the details, i dd recognise the name. [18:33] Gah! I want a Fusion motherboard, but they're not out yet :( [18:33] MartijnVdS: good thing i can understand platt duutsch, i think iwill understand it,without translation, [18:34]