[00:06] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] EFI implementation bugs - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/132477.html
[00:55] <gran> are there any alternatives to brasero? when trying to burn an image brasero just ejects my disc...
[00:57] <hamitron> cdrecord?
[01:05] <hamitron> gran: you could try gnomebaker perhaps
[01:06] <hamitron> or someone here may be able to help you get it working
[01:06] <hamitron> although, this is off peak for channel activity
[01:07] <gran> ill just mount it :/
[01:07] <gran> cheers guys
[01:07] <gran> x
[03:06] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Burns Supper and KDE Release Party - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4376
[03:23] <ball> Today I risked my job by installing Ubuntu on someone's computer.
[03:28] <ball> I had to test his hard disk anyway and it seemed like a good opportunity to talk about Linux.
[08:01] <popey> Morning
[08:12] <Myrtti> mrh
[08:25] <DJones> Morning all
[08:46] <diplo> Morning all
[09:05] <bigcalm> Good morning Friday people :)
[09:06] <kazade> morning bigcalm
[09:06] <Darael> Mornin', bigcalm.
[09:57] <danfish> morning
[09:57] <danfish> a flu detection system using twitter
[09:57] <danfish> http://geopatterns.enm.bris.ac.uk/epidemics/
[09:59] <DJones> danfish: I though that was going to be like the #uksnow site, showing the locations & hot spots
[10:00] <screen-x> morning :)
[10:00] <danfish> hah - that could be done I suppose
[10:00] <screen-x> #ukflu :)
[10:01] <DJones> Heh
[10:02] <screen-x> heh, you have to say #ukflu and @ the person you got it from ;-)
[10:04] <DJones> maybe it should be #uk-a-choo :)
[10:05] <danfish> so screen-x and DJones - you'll have that written and working by this evening then ;)
[10:05] <DJones> danfish: I'm just the idea's man, screen-x will have to do the hard work
[10:06] <danfish> :D
[10:06] <screen-x> I have a really old installation that I'd like to virtualise, but I'm having problem running the kernel in KVM (its 2.6.5). What happens If I dump a new kernel in an old installation? Do libc (or anything else) versions have to match the kernel?
[10:06]  * DJones gets out of doing any further work as quick as he can
[10:06] <screen-x> DJones: I'd love to have time for projects like that..
[10:09]  * screen-x runs make menuconfig, haven't done for about 10 years \o/
[10:18] <Myrtti> wicked. http://www.embedded-bits.co.uk/2011/1-second-linux-boot-to-qt/
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: but who uses QT?
[10:18] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: that system does?
[10:22] <daubers> Morning
[10:23] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:24]  * daubers drinks some home made lemsip
[10:24] <daubers> lemon tea + honey + dispersible paracetamol = lemsip
[10:25] <MartijnVdS> You could make lemon wine ;)
[10:38] <davmor2> morning all
[10:38] <daubers> o/
[10:40] <winterweaver> is there a terminal command that will tell me what services are running on what port?
[10:41] <DJones> winterweaver: Does netstat give that info?
[10:41] <Myrtti> dun dun duuuuunnn...
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> netstat -l
[10:42] <winterweaver> DJones, I shoulda tried google first yes -_-
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> netstat -lp gives program names as well
[10:42] <waveform> netstat -tupln will tell you what programs are listening on TCP and UDP ports (if run as root)
[10:45]  * screen-x had forgotten how long compiling a kernel takes. 
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[10:46] <popey>                          |___/
[10:46] <popey> Good morning!
[10:47] <screen-x> morning popey..
[10:47] <screen-x> I'm guessing that says Friday in fixed width land
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: you're in proportional width land?
[10:48] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: WITCH! BURN THE WITCH!
[10:48] <screen-x> meh
[10:49] <terran> :O
[10:50] <bigcalm> TFI
[10:52] <winterweaver> ok so I tried: netstat atup | grep ":80"    but I have nothing running on that port. Yet, when I try to start a service on that port I'm told I dont have permission :(
[10:52] <popey> thats because you dont :)
[10:52] <waveform> you won't have permission unless you're root (ports < 1024 are privileged)
[10:52] <popey> ports below 1024 are protected and should be started by root
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> s/should/can only be/
[10:53] <MartijnVdS> (well, unless you use capabilities)
[10:53] <winterweaver> ah! ok thanks !
[10:53] <screen-x> winterweaver: you need -n when grepping the output of netstat for port numbers
[10:53] <davmor2> popey: you seem a little too over excited at the fact it's friday :)
[10:55] <popey> I AM!
[10:55] <popey> have stopped drinking on school nights
[10:55] <popey> so am going to have a really nice bottle of plonk tonight
[10:55] <popey> looking forward to it
[10:55] <screen-x> aren't they mutually exclusive?
[10:55] <Myrtti> imma worried about you, son.
[10:56] <screen-x> yay, kernel now includes small firearms, it just complied glock.o
[10:59] <BigRedS> haha!
[11:00] <kvarley> plonk?
[11:01] <bigcalm> red wine
[11:01] <kvarley> ah ok
[11:01] <Myrtti> why is the weather so miserable :-<
[11:02] <popey> interestingly I was on holiday with wifey a few years ago, and at the bar said something like " I'd like some plonk, some red wine"
[11:02] <popey> he gave me the wine menu, which we ordered from, then he brought over some champagne
[11:02] <popey> I said "uh?" he said "you said champagne, plonk?"
[11:03] <popey> he got quite annoyed when i told him plonk means wine where I come from
[11:03] <kvarley> hehe
[11:03] <screen-x> I thought ponk ~= cheap wine?
[11:03] <screen-x> *plonk
[11:04] <popey> see, different for everyone :)
[11:05] <terran> I've never heard the word plonk used like that
[11:06] <dwatkins> I have
[11:07] <popey> yeah, i have too
[11:08] <davmor2> popey: you de plonk :D
[11:08] <terran> I've only ever heard the word plonk used as in "Plonk that down in the corner"
[11:08] <popey> Why thank you, that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me all minute.
[11:08] <terran> or "You're some plonker"
[11:08] <popey> http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=%22bottle+of+plonk%22
[11:09] <Myrtti> hm.
[11:09] <Myrtti> food.
[11:09] <terran> Australian slang
[11:09] <popey> friend of mine has a book that teaches you how to speak australian
[11:10] <popey> it's called "Lets Talk Strine"
[11:10] <popey> (say that in an aussie accent"
[11:10] <popey> s/"/)/
[11:10] <terran> G'day Sheila
[11:10] <popey> oh no, its better than that :)
[11:10] <popey> "Egg Nishner"
[11:10] <popey> "Strewth mate, it's hot in here, is the egg nishner broken!?"
[11:11] <screen-x> Heh, this article has a picture of wine in plastic cups with the caption "Wine in stemware befitting plonk" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_(wine)
[11:11] <screen-x> I had to say that out loud to work out what it was..
[11:11] <popey> yeah, the whole book is like that
[11:11] <popey> http://www.textfiles.com/humor/strine.txt
[11:11] <popey> yay
[11:12] <davmor2> http://vimeo.com/18732878 good point well made, lost boys is made up of one word.....
[11:19] <Myrtti> wow, I've found a modern rarity
[11:19] <Myrtti> a kettle without auto-off switch, base station and covered heat element
[11:23] <Oli``> Odd, off-topic question: I've just seen a doobie on BBC "News" about getting an electric car from London to Edinburgh and it needing several charges on the way... Anybody know how much it costs to charge an electric car?
[11:23] <screen-x> Oli``: depeds how much you pay for a kwh
[11:23] <davmor2> Myrtti: it sits on a cooker right?
[11:24] <dogmatic69> oly: ive seen something like 50p on some of them
[11:24] <Oli``> screen-x: I mean at a public charge point... I assume (perhaps incorrectly) that it's a standard rate whichever you use
[11:24] <dogmatic69> but taking into account the price of batteries and the time they last, works out to about the same as petrol
[11:24] <screen-x> Oli``: public charge points exist already?
[11:24] <dogmatic69> ye
[11:24] <Oli``> screen-x: yeah
[11:25] <dogmatic69> not many
[11:25] <dogmatic69> same as hydo filling stations
[11:25] <Oli``> screen-x: mostly in london from what I gather... but enough to get you around the country if you're willing to take a few dozen detours
[11:25] <davmor2> Oli``: the man to ask is moreati when he gets online he can give you all the specs you require
[11:30] <Oli``> http://imgur.com/ebNkR.png
[11:30] <Oli``> Do you suppose Webroot Internet Security Essentials runs on Linpus?
[11:36] <directhex> Oli``, box shifters always do this when they have linux boxes
[11:46] <daubers> Whats the server monitoring thing called again?
[11:47] <davmor2> guys don't upgrade natty this morning
[11:48] <screen-x> daubers: which server monitoring thing?
[11:49] <dogmatic69> davmor2: whats wrong with it?
[11:50] <davmor2> dogmatic69: there is an unbuilt module for compiz that unity depends on so no unity
[11:54] <screen-x> kernel compile finished, vmlinux is 123MB, kernels used to fit on floppies!
[11:54] <daubers> screen-x: I think I need cacti or puppet
[11:55] <screen-x> daubers: puppet is more configuration  management rather than monitoring
[11:55] <daubers> so probably cacti
[11:55] <screen-x> or nagios
[11:56] <daubers> Nagios! That was the othe rone
[11:56] <daubers> ta
[12:01] <Myrtti> myyh, do I want more cup soup or not...
[12:08] <bigcalm> How long ago was your last one?
[12:09] <diplo> daubers, I use nagios a lot, isn't cacti the usage side of it though, reads the RRD logs and graphs them historically ?
[12:23] <screen-x> is there an easy way to compile a 32bit kernel on a 64bit box?
[12:27] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[12:29]  * screen-x apologises for boring Myrtti
[12:29] <Myrtti> I'm just tired
[12:29] <Myrtti> not bored
[12:29] <screen-x> good job its Friday then :)
[12:30] <Myrtti> I wonder would a nap be a bad idea
[12:30] <davmor2> screen-x: don't you just need to set the flags correctly and the compiler do the rest
[12:31] <davmor2> Myrtti: you know it would be you'd wake up be crouchy, you wouldn't sleep tonight, and you'd still feel tired
[12:31] <screen-x> power nap \o/
[12:31] <screen-x> but don't let it extend into a sleep
[12:32] <screen-x> davmor2: which flags would they be?
[12:32] <Myrtti> davmor2: it's early enough not to ruin night sleep
[12:33] <davmor2> screen-x: no idea but is should be documented somewhere out there on t'interweb
[12:33] <screen-x> ARCH=i386 seems to be doing something :)
[12:36] <davmor2> screen-x: yeah but don't you really want i686?
[12:36] <Pendulum> Myrtti: naps are good :)
[12:36] <screen-x> davmor2: probably, but at this point id be happy if it boots..
[12:36] <davmor2> haha
[12:43] <screen-x> so the answer to that age old question "what happens if I dump the current stable kernel into a SLES 9 install?"  is that it works :D
[12:44] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[12:45] <screen-x> afternoon brobostigon
[12:45] <brobostigon> afternoonings screen-x
[13:18] <brobostigon> mutter: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-3.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[13:18] <brobostigon> suggestons on that error when i try and start gnome-shell.
[13:19] <brobostigon> and i do hve the package installed that that lib contains.
[13:22] <dutchie> brobostigon: have you tried asking #gnome-shell on irc.gnome.org?
[13:22] <brobostigon> dutchie: i have just asked in #debian, i will try.
[13:23] <ali1234> it may be version or arch mismatch
[13:23] <ali1234> try 'ldd mutter'
[13:24] <directhex> gtk3 broke lately too
[13:25] <brobostigon> directhex: that might explain it then,
[13:30] <brobostigon> ali1234: ptaylor@debian:~$ ldd mutter
[13:30] <brobostigon> ldd: ./mutter: No such file or directory
[13:30] <ali1234> ldd `which mutter`
[13:31] <jpds> $(...)
[13:53] <screen-x> jpds: what's wrong with backticks?
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> they don't nest
[13:56] <jpds> screen-x: You can't have backticks, within backticks.
[13:57] <screen-x> ah ha
[13:57] <popey> `````````````````````````````````````no`````````````````````````````````````
[13:57] <jpds> screen-x: They look ugly too, compared to $().
[13:57] <screen-x> I think I have used $() within `` ;-)
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: $($($($($($($($($(NO)))))))))
[13:57] <jpds> Let's install a VM, within the VM!
[13:57] <MartijnVdS> jpds: "Yo, dawg"
[13:58] <screen-x> The program 'NO' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[13:58] <screen-x> apt-get install NO
[13:58] <popey> NO!
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: try "yes"
[13:58] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: try sl :p
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: I know
[13:59] <jpds>  /exec -o yes
[13:59] <screen-x> heh
[14:02] <daubers> I always prefered /exec -o yes no
[14:05] <screen-x> daubers: I guess that's safer, you don't won't to agree with the whole of irc.
[14:21] <nucc1> i lost my horizontal scrolling ability on my touchpad since i upgraded to 10.10, anyone got any ideas?
[14:30] <tonytiger> Afternoon folks.
[14:30] <bigcalm> Howdy tonytiger
[14:30] <tonytiger> I was wondering if anyone could recommend UK based hosting firms who supply & support Ubuntu?
[14:30] <tonytiger> Preferably with a managed backup service?
[14:30] <tonytiger> I already know about Bitfolk :)
[14:30] <bigcalm> bytemark?
[14:31] <tonytiger> Oooh, good call.
[14:31]  * bigcalm hugs bytemark
[14:31] <tonytiger> :)
[14:37] <bigcalm> JavaScript - what's the difference between the "browser viewport" and "HTML document" when measuring width?
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: The document can be wider than the viewport
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> (think horizontal scrollbar)
[14:37] <bigcalm> Doh
[14:37] <bigcalm> Thanks :)
[14:37] <nucc1> html document is everything enclosed in the html tag
[14:38] <bigcalm> I'll be using the view port then
[14:39] <nucc1> i just call it window :p
[14:39] <screen-x> tonytiger: layershift also supply ubuntu and have a uk hosting option.
[14:49] <ali1234> bigcalm: different browsers will give completely different results for both measurements anyway
[14:49] <ali1234> you can't really use either reliably
[14:50] <bigcalm> Using jQuerym so hopefully it might be more acurate
[14:50] <ali1234> perhaps
[14:50] <AlanBell> anyone know any UK based hosting that is linux friendly and can supply a really fast core i7 processor?
[14:51] <bigcalm> How about cloud farming instead of one machine?
[14:51] <popey> AlanBell: http://www.racksrv.com/
[14:52] <bigcalm> Oh, RackSpace will probabbly do so as well
[14:53] <popey> bah, out of stick
[14:53] <popey> *stock
[14:53] <bigcalm> What is?
[14:53] <popey> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/tags.php?tag=core+i7
[14:53] <popey> bigcalm: the site i posted
[14:53] <popey> they ran out of i7
[14:53] <bigcalm> Ah
[14:53] <popey> but AlanBell ^^ that link may be useful
[14:56] <AlanBell> thanks
[14:59] <screen-x> I'm looking for a battery in a box that has a micro usb connector, for charging a phone when away from a socket, what would one of those be called?
[15:00] <screen-x> like this, but hopefully with integrated micro usb cable http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=4662&t_mode=des
[15:08] <BigRedS> screen-x: I've seen them called battery boosters...
[15:08] <BigRedS> but I don't know of a generic term for them
[15:08] <BigRedS> (also, look at solar chargers, at least a few that I've seen also have usb in)
[15:08] <BigRedS> and a battery etc.
[15:09] <screen-x> solar, interesting idea, probably make it to large to carry around though.
[15:09] <screen-x> this looks about right, but need to find a uk supplier http://www.phonesuit.com/products/Primo_Battery_Cube_for_SmartPhones-37-10.html
[15:10] <BigRedS> screen-x: nah, the one's I've seen are solar panels with a wire with a usb mini end, and a battery box with a socket for either end of a usb lead
[15:16] <AlanBell> Zee B:  by the way how did you hear about rackspace?
[15:16] <AlanBell> Customer:  I asked some folk in the Ubuntu UK communit
[15:18] <bigcalm> AlanBell: 2 of our largest clients use RackSpace
[15:18] <bigcalm> They seem to be very customer focused
[15:18] <bigcalm> And all that business BS
[15:20] <AlanBell> yeah, very reputable hosters
[15:20] <AlanBell> hetzner are amazing value for money though
[15:23] <diplo> Didn't used to be that way, a few years ago rackspace got a bad name for itself, seem to have understood it needed to change i suppose
[15:25] <ali1234> how can i stop users from changing the ownership on files and also stop them from changing the "other" permissions?
[15:27] <MooDoo> hello all
[15:30] <davmor2> MOODOO!
[15:31] <MooDoo> davmor2: afternoon
[15:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: how's life?
[15:32] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah not bad thanks, my new SSD has just turned up :D
[15:32] <danfish> screen-x: I've one of these battery boosters http://www.amazon.co.uk/LUPO-POWERSTICK-Portable-Universal-Charger/dp/B000QEKXYS/ref=pd_cp_ce_3
[15:32] <danfish> not bad - gives a few more hours with a high capacity rechargeable aa
[15:33] <AlanBell> diplo: yeah, can't say I like their approach too much, and they certainly used to have a bit of a bad rep from some types of customers
[15:33] <BigRedS> Anyone know of any real-life shops that're likely to have a Lenovo x100 for me to have a fiddle with? I think I want one, but I wanna test the keyboard first.
[15:34] <BigRedS> Or, does anyone have one and an opinion on how it compares with IBM thinkpad keyboards of old?
[15:35] <davmor2> MooDoo: nice
[15:50] <X3N> BigRedS: the thinkpads haven't changed design in years and years, i'd say it would be a good bet that they're similar
[15:51] <jacobw> i've used a lenovo t400, the  keyboard on that is very good
[15:52] <daubers> How do I add a mib file for nagios to use?
[15:54] <X3N> i've got a X201, T400 and X60 all have good keyboards
[15:58]  * AlanBell tickles Daviey 
[16:00] <BigRedS> X3N: nah, there's a new keyboard for them. discrete keys, sort of macbook-alike
[16:01] <X3N> are you sure, on an X100 ?
[16:02] <X3N> oh yes, so they are
[16:02] <BigRedS> X3N: yeah, i've heard rumours they're going across the TP range
[16:02] <BigRedS> I've also hear rumours that they're really rather good, though, I just refuse to believe them without trying one :)
[16:08]  * brobostigon returns
[16:11] <diplo> daubers,  what are you trying to do ?
[16:11] <diplo> Trying to use snmp to check a device ?
[16:11] <diplo> If so you use check_snmp
[16:11] <diplo> http://nagiosplugins.org/man/check_snmp
[16:12] <diplo>  check_snmp -H $HOSTADDRESS$ -o .1.3.6.1.4.1.24795.1 -C public
[16:12] <diplo> Something like that
[16:30] <brobostigon> can i use dd to put an iso onto usb flash ?
[16:32] <screen-x> brobostigon: yes, but it may not be bootable
[16:33] <screen-x> brobostigon: try system > administration > startup disk creator
[16:33] <brobostigon> screen-x: hmm, ithink imy trysoething like unetbooinin that case.
[16:39] <BigRedS> Has brobostigon gone all Aplle on us?
[16:42] <brobostigon> BigRedS: lol,no, i am on debian sid. an am going to try out android-x86 froyo.
[16:43] <X3N> ohh
[16:43] <X3N> brobostigon: citation neededÂ!
[16:44] <brobostigon> http://www.android-x86.org/download
[16:45] <X3N> #isdown
[16:46] <brobostigon> brb.
[16:46] <BigRedS> brobostigon: it was just all those i* words :)
[16:47] <BigRedS> well, both of those...
[16:47] <brobostigon> BigRedS: it was workking properly when i just looked inchrome,
[16:47] <shauno> hey, I'm proud of my ithink.  it validates my iexistence as a cool person
[16:47] <brobostigon> brb.
[16:50] <czajkowski> Aloha
[16:50] <shauno> howdy
[17:04] <AlanBell> o/ czajkowski
[17:04] <AlanBell> all done at the show?
[17:04] <czajkowski> yes!!!
[17:06] <MooDoo> czajkowski: ayup
[17:07] <czajkowski> bleugh
[17:07] <czajkowski> 2 days of not checking work mail
[17:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, prod, prod that's to make up for not being here before :P
[17:12]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 oi oi
[17:12] <davmor2> czajkowski: that's the wounder when you're not at work you have to play catch up on the email and it can be most soul destroying
[17:17] <kvarley> How can I convert a sparseimage file to iso? Or how can I burn the sparseimage?
[17:33] <awilkins> I'm being a klutz - how do I pass the STDOUT of multiple commands sequentially to the same pipe
[17:38] <AlanBell> (echo foo ;echo bar)|less
[17:39] <shauno> I'd probably go with bash -c again.  my one-stop-crutch :)  or a named pipe (fifo), but that gets cumbersome
[17:39] <shauno> $ bash -c "echo one; echo two; echo three" | xargs
[17:39] <shauno> one two three
[17:39] <shauno> because what's being piped into xargs is what's coming out bash's STDOUT, rather than echo's
[17:40] <awilkins> AlanBell has solved it well enough :-)
[17:41] <shauno> oh, duh, didn't spot that
[17:41] <awilkins> Now my problem is why xmllint thinks that a uuid is not a valid xs:ID   ?>?>?>?
[17:41] <awilkins> Which I will solve myself
[17:42] <shauno> the sparseimage one I'm not sure how to do without a mac :/
[17:44] <shauno> (hdiutil convert file.sparsebundle --format UDTO -o file.iso  ;)
[17:45] <dutchie> \o/ no more exams
[17:45] <dutchie> for a couple of months at least
[18:05] <Myrtti> *sigh* I'd sell my left thumb for fish and chips right now :-/
[18:05]  * Myrtti digs for more dry Shreddies from the box
[18:09] <bigcalm> Chippy closed?
[18:10] <Myrtti> I doubt there are any in Berlin
[18:10] <Myrtti> I just read a story about haddock and immediately want fish
[18:10] <Myrtti> FISH HERE NAO
[18:10]  * jacobw imagines what german jumbo sausages would be like
[18:11] <shauno> currywurst :D
[18:11] <Myrtti> ffffffiiiiissssssshhhhhh
[18:12] <jacobw> lol, i've just had fish and chips
[18:12] <shauno> nein!
[18:13] <Myrtti> http://www.theatlantic.com/food/archive/2011/01/hooray-for-haddock-fish-return-to-the-east-coast-and-other-news/69320/
[18:14] <Myrtti> is there a concise UK specific list of fish and seafood that should be avoided to balance the load on fisheries?
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: Eat sushi
[18:14] <brobostigon> evening all.
[18:14] <Pendulum> NOw I want fish and chips :( And the closest chippy is 3 hours away :(
[18:15] <shauno> 3 hours? where on earth are you?
[18:15] <Pendulum> well, 2.5 + parking time :(
[18:15] <Pendulum> in the US
[18:15] <KrimZon> it's far away so you can't eat all the fish
[18:15] <shauno> ah
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> Pendulum: they don't sell fish in the US? Or chips?
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> Pendulum: even in supermarkets?
[18:15] <jacobw> it wouldn't be the same from a supermarket
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: he could/should start his own then
[18:15] <jacobw> it has to be hot so the vinegar evaporates
[18:16] <shauno> that'll be steakfries in the US, or you're going to be sorely disappointed
[18:16] <Pendulum> they sell them in the supermarket, but chips are not proper chips over here unless for the really specific chip shops
[18:16] <Pendulum> shauno: hah. steakfries are not chips
[18:16] <Pendulum> there are a couple chip shops in NYC run by ex-pats
[18:16] <shauno> they're much closer than fries :)
[18:17] <Pendulum> they make me homesick for the UK (even though I've never actually lived in the UK ;) )
[18:17] <jacobw> is your family english?
[18:17]  * dutchie is sure that there are no chip shops in oxford :(
[18:18] <shauno> it was a bit of a turning point for me when I found a store that had irnbru
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: Oxford isn't part of England then?
[18:18] <brobostigon> dutchie: ibelieve there are, i have been to one.
[18:18] <dutchie> brobostigon: oh? where?
[18:18] <brobostigon> dutchie: intown centre.
[18:18] <shauno> I know there's one out botley way
[18:19] <dutchie> that's much too far for me to walk...
[18:19] <brobostigon> i think there one justdown from the train station aswell.
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> http://goo.gl/maps/aDH9 ? :)
[18:19] <dutchie> ooh, high street
[18:19] <dutchie> that isn't too far
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> google -> fish and chips near oxford -> \o/
[18:20]  * dutchie revises to "no ship shops on my side of oxford" then
[18:20] <shauno> brobostigon: train station's on botley road.  we could be very scarily be thinking of the same place
[18:20] <brobostigon> shauno: you maybe right, yes.
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: http://goo.gl/maps/7MJ2 then?
[18:20] <dutchie> woo, even better
[18:21] <brobostigon> :)
[18:22] <Myrtti> m mmmmmm haddock
[18:23]  * brobostigon is very allergic to fish, 
[18:23] <danfish> brobostigon: I'll get me coat then :(
[18:24] <brobostigon> danfish: hmm, :(
[18:24] <danfish> :)
[18:24]  * brobostigon avoids,
[18:25]  * brobostigon has pork chops anyways, :)
[18:25]  * jacobw wasn't aware that one could be allergic to fish
[18:26] <danfish> jacobw: yep, it's both the proteins and oils in fish
[18:26] <jacobw> i see
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> ooh, David Mitchell in QI tonight
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: not lamb chops? :)
[18:26]  * brobostigon has it marjed onhis sky tv guide, :)
[18:27] <jacobw> he'll be wearing a jumper over a shirt with a collar
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: again? :)
[18:27] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: hmm,
[18:27] <jacobw> david mitchell that is, i can't talk for anybody else
[18:27] <balor> Apart from dabs, what are good UK sites for getting tech stuff?
[18:27]  * balor rarely buys stuff
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: did you see his video on "wearing th same thing every vidoe"
[18:28] <jacobw> i have not seen that video
[18:28] <danfish> balor: what sort of tech stuff - PC stuff or electronics?
[18:28] <jacobw> so he is aware of his predictable dress sense?
[18:29] <jacobw> balor: ccl?
[18:29] <balor> danfish: motherboards etc..
[18:30]  * brobostigon gets a beer.
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> beer!
[18:30]  * brobostigon gets MartijnVdS a leffe
[18:30]  * MartijnVdS has Hertog Jan in the fridge
[18:30] <brobostigon> :)
[18:31] <danfish> balor: overclockers are OK
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://www.hertogjan.nl/site/040103-Karakter.php
[18:31] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thanks for the details, i dd recognise the name.
[18:33] <balor> Gah! I want a Fusion motherboard, but they're not out yet :(
[18:33] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: good thing i can understand platt duutsch, i think iwill understand it,without translation,
[18:34] <daubers> evening
[18:34] <brobostigon> evening daubers
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: these guys are from Limburg
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> \o daubersman
[18:34] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i see.
[18:35]  * daubers has been told to go to the OSE
[18:36] <exobuzz> balor, i use scan.co.uk
[18:36] <exobuzz> i like their free postage when you sign up on avforums
[18:36] <balor> exobuzz: danfish: jacobw: thanks
[18:36] <balor> Looks like no provider is as cheap as I am
[18:36] <AlanBell> yay daubers \o/
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> daubers: Order of Saint Elisabeth ?
[18:37] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/linuxexposchedule
[18:37] <daubers> AlanBell: I just said "Oh, theres an Open Source Expo next month" and got told to book tickets
[18:37] <AlanBell> nice
[18:41] <Myrtti> more shreddies...
[18:41] <Myrtti> this is altogether criminal
[18:43] <daubers> AlanBell: Not sure what day I'm going yet mind. And I'm there on business as much as anything else
[18:43] <AlanBell> sure
[18:43] <AlanBell> but check the beer venue
[18:43] <daubers> Heh :)
[18:51] <balor> Can you get a passively cooled i3?
[18:52] <balor> nope
[18:53] <balor> I *think* I want an Atom with DVI or, ideally, HDMI out.  but they all seem to come with NVidia ION GPUs.  And I like this whole open-source thing...I've been doing it for about 10 years now and I ain't gonna change
[18:53] <AlanBell> they don't run particularly hot, my laptop fan isn't on right now
[18:54] <AlanBell> if you are building a desktop I should think you could do a passive i3
[18:55]  * MartijnVdS likes his Sony
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> it's 13", so not really a netbook
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> but it's quiet, has intel-everything
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[19:04] <exobuzz> my new i5-2500k albeit with fan, its pretty silent
[19:04] <exobuzz> s/its/is
[19:04] <exobuzz> the noisiest part of my machine is the new hd,
[19:10] <balor> Why can't I ever get things I want to buy?  I'm looking for a passively cooled Atom mobo with intel GPU and a PCI (not PCIe) slot.
[19:10] <balor> I also wanted a Kobo e-reader
[19:10] <balor> or a litl
[19:10] <exobuzz> balor, what size board ?
[19:10] <balor> exobuzz: don't care
[19:10] <exobuzz> then why atom ?
[19:10] <balor> The Kobo and litl aren't available in the UK :(
[19:10] <exobuzz> why not i3/i5/etc
[19:10] <balor> I thought this internet thing was supposed to mean a large free market
[19:11] <balor> exobuzz: power consumption and cost.  Atom boards seem cheaper
[19:11] <exobuzz> the new sandy bridge cpu has built in gpu that is decent enough
[19:11] <exobuzz> cpus
[19:11] <balor> exobuzz: But you can't passively cools an i3
[19:12] <exobuzz> atom aint that quick though but.. ok.. get a mini itx atom board then with built in gfx.. ?
[19:12] <Azelphur> exobuzz: do you know what the deal is with sandy bridge and gaming?
[19:12] <balor> I also want DVI/HDMO out :)
[19:12] <Azelphur> is it better to get an i7 still for gaming
[19:12] <balor> s/HDMO/HDMI/
[19:13] <Azelphur> or buy sandy bridge and a separate graphics card
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> Tea people? http://i.imgur.com/VXEsX.jpg
[19:13] <exobuzz> Azelphur, depends. im running it now but ive not tried gaming yet.. not really
[19:13] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:13] <exobuzz> ive done a few tests
[19:13] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: xD
[19:13] <exobuzz> Azelphur, the gpu feels quick though compared to my last but my last was only x700
[19:13] <Azelphur> I just built a big gaming machine, only to have sandy bridge come out
[19:13] <Azelphur> wondering if I got gazumped or not :P
[19:14] <exobuzz> balor, you are setting yourslef so many rules/limits, your making the problem here :)
[19:14] <balor> exobuzz: You're right.
[19:14] <balor> exobuzz: I should just get a *modern* atom and leave the other machine as my MythTV backend
[19:14] <exobuzz> run nvidia with the open source driver ;-)
[19:14] <balor> does that work?
[19:14] <exobuzz> for 2d..
[19:14] <balor> hmm...
[19:14] <exobuzz> maybe buggy 3d
[19:15] <Azelphur> I hear the open ATI driver is making strides in the 3d area
[19:15] <balor> I only need the PCI slot for my mythtv backend for my DVB-S2 card
[19:15] <Azelphur> oooh, mythtv?
[19:15] <Azelphur> I run a mythbackend off a p4 3ghz with 9600GT
[19:15] <balor> So maybe just get a quiet pc for the living room as a frontend
[19:15] <Azelphur> and DVB-S card
[19:15] <exobuzz> Azelphur, from my history with the old x700. the open source drivers were always better than the closed. but then the closed hardly worked at all back then
[19:15] <balor> Azelphur: Celeron, DVB-S2
[19:16] <Azelphur> :)
[19:16] <Azelphur> I've always wanted to get sky working on mythtv
[19:16] <exobuzz> balor, http://www.scan.co.uk/products/zotac-g41itx-a-e-intel-g41-express-s-775-ddr2-800-sata-3gb-s-mini-itx-on-board-graphics-wifi
[19:16] <Azelphur> but the mythtv people won't talk about it, even if you have an active sub :(
[19:17] <exobuzz> personally i would prefer an ion one, btu that one has on board intel gfx and dvi etc
[19:17] <exobuzz> aah wait. no cpu. heh thought it was atom.
[19:17] <exobuzz> my bad
[19:17] <Azelphur> is this for a frontend or backend
[19:18] <balor> Azelphur: frontend
[19:18] <Azelphur> I see :)
[19:19] <balor> exobuzz: Thanks.  I think I'll just get a cheaper Atom.  For the same price I can get a CPU and DVI out (but no HDMI)
[19:19] <exobuzz> balor, maybe this one? doesnt specify which chipset http://www.scan.co.uk/products/zotac-nm10-b-e-intel-atom-d510-%2816ghz%29-ddr2-667-800-sata-3gb-s-raid-mini-dtx-vga
[19:19] <Azelphur> yea, the mini itx nvidia ion boards are great for that
[19:19] <exobuzz> balor, k
[19:19] <balor> Azelphur: The Celeron box actully works well as the backend
[19:19] <Azelphur> they can do 1080p easy with vdpau
[19:19] <Azelphur> and very low power, and look cool under the telly if you get a nice case
[19:19] <Azelphur> :)
[19:20] <Azelphur> exobuzz: I'd say get one with ion it's better :o
[19:20] <exobuzz> Azelphur, me too buy he didnt want closed source drivers ;-)
[19:20] <Azelphur> http://www.scan.co.uk/products/zotac-ion-synergy-nvidia-ion-intel-atom-n330-cpu-16ghz-ddr2-800-sata-3gb-s-sata-raid-mini-itx
[19:20] <Azelphur> use open drivers then
[19:20] <balor> exobuzz: Yes. I was looking at the Zotac NM10-A-E (difference in the A), but it has no PCI slot.  But if I drop that requirement :)
[19:20] <Azelphur> when they get around to supporting vdpau you'll get a free upgrade
[19:20] <exobuzz> Azelphur, performance :)  heh
[19:20] <andylockran> hey guys
[19:20] <Azelphur> exobuzz: nvidia on open drivers is gonna perform better than intel surely
[19:21] <Azelphur> all the work is done by the CPU for video playback anyway
[19:21] <Azelphur> unless your doing vdpau
[19:21] <exobuzz> Azelphur, im not so sure.. no vdpau with the open source drivers either on nvidia
[19:21] <exobuzz> intel has vaapi for some chipsets
[19:21] <Azelphur> exobuzz: yea there's no vdpau now on the open driver
[19:21] <balor> Azelphur: My experience is that Intel drivers work better than the NVidia ones
[19:21] <Azelphur> but you can bet in the future there will
[19:22] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[19:22] <exobuzz> whats a good test of a gfx card under linux ?
[19:22] <balor> Azelphur: In the future we get AMD chips with ATI cores and fully free drivers :)
[19:22] <andylockran> anyone know any proprietary web application frameworks ?
[19:22] <exobuzz> without running something through wine
[19:22] <balor> exobuzz: Phronix have some test suite
[19:22] <Azelphur> balor: indeed :)
[19:23] <exobuzz> balor, its a whole system though right ? since it wont have the right drivers etc
[19:23] <Azelphur> exobuzz: the ati drivers are great if your not using wine
[19:23] <Azelphur> the open source ones
[19:23] <Azelphur> they run some games (I tried hedge wars) and they handle compiz no problem
[19:23] <exobuzz> Azelphur, they were ok but compiz was always slow on my last card
[19:23] <Azelphur> I had issues with ATI open on wine, though
[19:23] <exobuzz> depends on card i guess
[19:23] <Azelphur> yea, it must do
[19:23] <Azelphur> for me compiz was extremely smooth
[19:23] <Azelphur> in fact I noticed it being smoother than my PC on nvidia proprietary
[19:23] <exobuzz> compiz is fast here on intel hd graphics 3000
[19:23] <Azelphur> :)
[19:23] <exobuzz> but i had to recompile it
[19:24] <exobuzz> chipset was blacklisted!
[19:24] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:24] <exobuzz> and thanks to ubuntu for compiling the blacklist in the binary. ugh
[19:24] <Azelphur> \o/
[19:25] <andylockran> hmm.
[19:25] <andylockran> can I ask again - anyone know of a proprietary web application framework?
[19:26] <exobuzz> andylockran, reddot ? stuff like that or ?
[19:26] <exobuzz> andylockran, sharepoint ?
[19:26] <andylockran> perfect.. thanks
[19:26] <exobuzz> ibm websphere maybe
[19:27] <exobuzz> andylockran, what for btw ? :)
[19:27] <andylockran> exobuzz: writing out a business plan for an internal product.
[19:28] <exobuzz> whats wrong with open source ? :)
[19:28] <andylockran> 99% chance of us releasing it as open source, but have to include proprietary for comparisons.
[19:28] <andylockran> analysis of proprietary business model and SWOT .etc
[19:28] <exobuzz> like "shaft the customer as much as possible" ?
[19:29] <exobuzz> :
[19:29] <andylockran> exobuzz: yeah, but in a more constructive criticism...
[19:29] <exobuzz> :) even.
[19:30] <andylockran> i.e. generally proprietary web application systems are used because of the previous relationship with that supplier. In order to continue vendor lock-in, the supplier will recommend their own framework, and migrating out of it will not be economically viable.
[19:30] <exobuzz> "look after customers who sign up to our 20 year old product disguised but named enterprise 2010 for life. mwahahaha""
[19:30] <andylockran> yeah, kinda like that.
[19:31] <andylockran> Websphere looks just the ticket.
[19:31] <exobuzz> examples ive seen are like drupal.. free. 7000 modules, thousands of devs.. other companies cms, 2 devs part time, £100,000. 10 modules, but has the tag "enterprise"
[19:31] <exobuzz> and the council bought into the 2nd one of course
[19:32] <andylockran> exobuzz: specific CMS in that case?
[19:32] <exobuzz> id rather not say. this channel is logged :)
[19:32] <andylockran> exobuzz: can you dm or email me ?
[19:32] <exobuzz> il still rather not. i work with them :)
[19:32] <andylockran> right, ok.
[19:32] <andylockran> I understand.
[19:33] <exobuzz> sorry
[19:33] <exobuzz> IBM WebSphere Application Server offers new socket pricing .. to flatten the cust burden ..
[19:33] <exobuzz> erm
[19:34] <exobuzz> per connection pricing ? nice idea
[19:35] <exobuzz> ill stop waffling now. cheers
[19:40] <exobuzz> lm-sensors cant tell me my cpu temp. bah.. am i missing something obvious. if anyone has any tips.
[19:40] <exobuzz> maybe i need the svn/git bleeding edge version
[19:44] <exobuzz> must be a missing kernel option somewhere...
[19:49] <exobuzz> doh. just needed pkgtemp/coretemp modules. but lm-sensors didnt seem to do that automagically.
[19:53] <andylockran> exobuzz: yeah, fun times.
[20:05]  * AlanBell wonders if anyone can add to http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/2011plan
[20:06] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jo Shields] The phantom fifth freedom - http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/352/
[20:06] <danfish> oggcamp would be nice :)
[20:08] <Myrtti> 8th of March would be a Friday
[20:08] <Myrtti> no wait
[20:08] <Myrtti> what year am I watching in my calendar
[20:09] <Myrtti> oh, it's Tuesday. Bother
[20:09] <Myrtti> nevermind then
[20:12]  * AlanBell wonders what the significance of the 8th of March is
[20:12] <AlanBell> apart from Dad's birthday
[20:14] <Myrtti> would have been a good chance to do something uw related
[20:15] <AlanBell> Ada lovelace day?
[20:16] <Myrtti> International Women's Day, actually it's the centenary year of it
[20:17] <AlanBell> Ada Lovelace is 24th March
[20:17] <Myrtti> hmmm
[20:17] <Myrtti> it's not too far off
[20:18] <AlanBell> what did you have in mind?
[20:19] <Myrtti> nothing special, just looking at the calendar
[20:20] <Myrtti> I'm too hungry at the moment to think anything specific
[20:25] <jacobw> http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/01/14/1332234/Trend-Micro-Chairman-Says-Open-Source-Is-a-Security-Risk
[20:26] <jacobw> has anyone else heard the "trend micro titanium, stop web threats in the cloud" ads on the radio?
[20:26]  * brobostigon just read about that on osnews.
[20:47] <shauno> that's a pretty awful line that closed makes apple more secure.  the last jailbreak I installed was done over the air using a browser exploit.  a web page could crack my firmware for me.
[21:01] <jacobw> is unity really being ported to qt?
[21:01] <andylockran> howdy
[21:01] <jacobw> o/
[21:01] <andylockran> is there a way to compile perl as to avoid an end-user accessing the source?
[21:17] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> Hi all. I don't suppose anyone's got a shoutcast or icecast server going spare that I can borrow for the next two hours for about 10 listeners?
[21:18] <Azelphur> JonTheNiceGuy-tv: set one up at home for that?
[21:19] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> It's a live show of a podcast that's about to go live in about 15 mins
[21:19] <Azelphur> best get to it then :P
[21:19] <Azelphur> and in future plan ahead
[21:20] <Azelphur> JonTheNiceGuy-tv: you could use ustream.tv
[21:20] <Azelphur> it'd be quick n dirty for 10 listeners
[21:20] <Azelphur> would work.
[21:20] <brobostigon> :)
[21:20] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> Unfortunately the presenters have tried ustream and they can't route their audio properly to ustream :(
[21:21] <Azelphur> :(
[21:22] <Azelphur> speaking of ustream, I found out how to do some cool things.  http://ustream.tv/channel/Azelphur
[21:22] <Azelphur> I can stream my desktop live over ustream :D
[21:22] <Azelphur> if flash doesn't decide to randomly crash, anyway
[21:28] <gord> JonTheNiceGuy-tv, got a mumble server running if you want to use that
[21:29] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> I don't know whether the rest of the audience will have the skills to get mumble clients running, but I can ask the presenter
[21:31] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> I've just realised that they've only got icecast and shoutcast output capabilities right now.
[21:31] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> But, thanks anyway gord
[21:31] <gord> mmkthen
[21:34] <Myrtti> I've set up icecast/shoutcast servers before. It wasn't too hard (since I knew how to do it :-D)
[21:35] <exobuzz> shoutcast .. aol.. grumble
[21:35] <exobuzz> http://www.videolan.org/press/2010-1.html
[21:37] <Myrtti> icecast was nice when I used my N800 more
[21:37] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> Myrtti, don't suppose you've got a howto knocking around anywhere?
[21:37] <Myrtti> had my music collection on my home server, music was handled with mpd and mpd outputted to shoutcast
[21:38]  * brobostigon has incidentally got his n800 onhis desk next to him, :)
[21:38] <Myrtti> that way I could change song playing on my N800 with the mpd client on it while in the bath, and didn't have to transfer files
[21:38] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> Myrtti, I'm considering doing the same with my Android
[21:39] <Myrtti> JonTheNiceGuy-tv: I got lazy and I'm paying for Spotify Premium ;-)
[21:39] <Myrtti> saves a lot of hassle
[21:39] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> Much of my music isn't on Spotify
[21:39] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> (http://cchits.net :) )
[21:40] <Myrtti> no, I don't have any howtos close by, apart from the mpd wikia one
[21:41] <Myrtti> it has a section on shoutcast
[21:41] <Myrtti> well, icecast
[21:41] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> Myrtti, Fair enough. I'll have a root around
[21:41] <Myrtti> and my poor home server has been out of service for years now
[21:41] <Myrtti> damned thing just bleeps when I turn it on :-(
[21:42] <Myrtti> was planning to make my viglen do some of her stuff but oh well.
[21:46] <popey> wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[21:46] <popey>  
[21:46] <popey>  
[21:46] <popey>  ooooooooooooooooot
[21:46] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> That good eh Popey?
[21:46] <popey> Very much so!
[21:46] <popey> hullo JonTheNiceGuy-tv
[21:47] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> Ooooo, if *anyone's* got a Shoutcast/Icecast server hanging around doing nothing (especially for your buddy TheLoveBug), it'd be *you* :D He's mid stream and his server's just died
[21:47] <brobostigon> champagne time,popey ?
[21:47] <popey> JonTheNiceGuy-tv: ok
[21:50] <Azelphur> exobuzz: wow, didn't know that
[21:50] <Azelphur> I shall gravitate towards icecast from now on
[21:52] <exobuzz> yeh. horrible.. i mean, totally unnecessary
[21:52] <exobuzz> it will only hurt shoutcast. xbmc has dropped it as will other software
[21:55] <Azelphur> \o/
[21:57] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> So, anyway, what's the woooooooting for then popey? :)
[21:57] <Myrtti> it would be nice if that press release had a date on it
[21:57] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> (if it's something suitable for public broadcast?)
[21:58] <Myrtti> I'm going through a tutorial, and may soon have a working game I've typed into the editor all by myself.
[21:58] <Myrtti> whudathunkit
[21:58] <JonTheNiceGuy-tv> :)
[22:00] <Myrtti> popey: audible or audibie?
[22:01] <Myrtti> audible, from the looks of it
[23:04] <brobostigon> interesting, for whatever reason, www.v6.facebook.com is behaving better than www.facebook.com
[23:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] Chrome, h.264 and ChromeOS& - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/01/chrome-h-264-and-chromeos/
[23:14] <andylockran> howdy all
[23:15] <andylockran> I don't understand that facebook aren't enabling ipv6 and leaving it turned on?
[23:16] <brobostigon> andylockran: they are, www.v6.facebook.com
[23:16] <awilkins> Not working for me, I guess my router or ISP sucks
[23:16] <brobostigon> works fine here, i have an ipv6 tunnel.
[23:16] <awilkins> Well, SOMETHING between chair and server
[23:16] <AlanBell> what do I need to do to get ipv6?
[23:17] <AlanBell> why would I want a tunnel?
[23:17] <brobostigon> AlanBell: to get ipv6 when your isp wont give you an ipv6 addr.
[23:17] <AlanBell> I just want native ipv6 from me to where I want to go, not tunneling through some intermediary
[23:18] <brobostigon> AlanBell: i want native aswell, but cant have it, right now.
[23:18] <andylockran> brobostigon: yeah, but for www.
[23:19] <brobostigon> andylockran: v6.facebook.com works aswell.
[23:19] <andylockran> AlanBell: apt-get install miredo ?
[23:19] <andylockran> AlanBell: that'll provide teredo
[23:19] <AlanBell> !info miredo
[23:20] <brobostigon> !info aiccu
[23:20] <andylockran> which will enable you to browse ipv6 simple enough.
[23:20] <brobostigon> true, unlike the later,
[23:20]  * andylockran likes the facy my ipv6 enabled blog post went out just before these big ipv6 announcements
[23:21] <andylockran> also, the testipv6 site is being run on the same server that powers one of the mailing lists I'm subscribed too - so he warned us in advance of potential outages
[23:21] <brobostigon> andylockran: i have your blog ipv6'd bookmarked.
[23:21] <andylockran> brobostigon: if you're ipv6 enabled, the blog will always come up ipv6
[23:21] <AlanBell> if I install sixxs or teredo isn't all my traffic going to them over ipv4 then to the destination over ipv6?
[23:21] <brobostigon> andylockran: oh, thats good, :)
[23:21] <andylockran> AlanBell: they give you an ipv6 virtual device
[23:21] <AlanBell> so like a proxy server or unencrypted vpn?
[23:22] <brobostigon> AlanBell: you need to sign up with sixxs to use aiccu.
[23:22] <andylockran> AlanBell: yeah, I guess so
[23:22]  * AlanBell says meh to that then
[23:23] <andylockran> AlanBell: who's your ISP ?
[23:23] <brobostigon> AlanBell: i only gone with sixxs, beause they give me a proper subnet range of addr's. no one else did, when i did my research.
[23:23] <andylockran> AlanBell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teredo_tunneling
[23:25] <andylockran> I've got 6to4 setup on my router, then I can assign subnets internally.
[23:25] <andylockran> my subnets are f00d and face
[23:25] <andylockran> gotta love hex
[23:26] <brobostigon> andylockran: radvd and aiccu on openwrt here.
[23:26] <andylockran> radvd is setup for my internal subnets.. 1 wireless and 1 wired
[23:26] <andylockran> server has bitfolk IP assigned as standard.
[23:26] <brobostigon> ihave one sugnet here or both,
[23:26] <brobostigon> subnet*
[23:27] <brobostigon> for*
[23:27] <AlanBell> my ISP was the professional sounding "IC24 Internet"
[23:27] <AlanBell> which then rebranded as madasafish.com
[23:27] <andylockran> haha
[23:27] <brobostigon> lol
[23:28] <AlanBell> http://www.madasafish.com/support/internet/gettingconnected/connection_settings/tcp_settings.shtml
[23:28] <AlanBell> looks like they might do ipv6
[23:29] <AlanBell> but I don't think my router does
[23:29] <andylockran> yeah, that's a pai.
[23:29] <andylockran> my router = debian box.
[23:30] <AlanBell> it has an ADSL device?
[23:30] <andylockran> that's the modem
[23:30] <hamitron> I thought madasafish closed?
[23:31] <brobostigon> i just have a basic adsl modem, connected to a wrt54gl.
[23:31] <andylockran> brobostigon: what do you think of the site?
[23:31] <hamitron> I had to find another ISP when it happened :/
[23:31] <AlanBell> hamitron: no, still works just fi[CARRIER LOST]
[23:31] <brobostigon> andylockran: its good. not complicated,
[23:31] <andylockran> brobostigon: the new images at the top?
[23:31] <hamitron> AlanBell: was it maybe just closing dialup services then?
[23:32] <AlanBell> possibly
[23:32] <hamitron> about 12 years ago
[23:32] <AlanBell> it is all BT in the end anyhow
[23:32]  * awilkins has an old build of OpenWRT
[23:32] <hamitron> is not ab ;)
[23:33] <hamitron> connection is I suppose :/
[23:33] <AlanBell> night all
[23:33] <brobostigon> andylockran: some are alittle loud.
[23:36] <andylockran> how so?
[23:36] <andylockran> night AlanBell
[23:36] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[23:36] <andylockran> hehe.. welcome popey p
[23:36] <brobostigon> andylockran: brighter and louder compared towhat is around it.
[23:37] <brobostigon> evening popey
[23:37] <popey> lo
[23:37] <popey> my son just got out of bed
[23:37] <popey> "MUMMY!"
[23:37] <popey> *YAK*
[23:37] <andylockran> yeah, ur right brobostigon
[23:37] <andylockran> need to change a few
[23:37] <andylockran> or make the rest of the page brighter :)
[23:37] <brobostigon> andylockran: sothey maybe stick out abit, thats just my opinon,
[23:38] <UndiFineD> popey: since when are you raising mummy's
[23:38] <popey> the quotes indicate that's what he said
[23:38] <popey> or rather shouted
[23:39] <andylockran> aww.. the poor mite ok now?
[23:39] <popey> yeah
[23:39] <popey> looks white as a sheet
[23:43] <andylockran> right - time to leave the office I think :\
[23:43] <brobostigon> andylockran: do you have an rss feed from your blog?
[23:43] <andylockran> brobostigon: not a very good one
[23:44] <brobostigon> andylockran: what is the addr?
[23:44] <andylockran> http://zrmt.com/feed
[23:44] <brobostigon> thank you,
[23:44] <andylockran> only got last two articles in it at the moment
[23:44] <Pendulum> popey: I hope that's all the sick :(
[23:44] <andylockran> all new articles should show up
[23:44] <brobostigon> andylockran: why is it a not a verygood one.
[23:44] <popey> yeah, he's sleeping now
[23:44] <brobostigon> andylockran: ah, i see,
[23:44] <popey> just had a chat with him about DS gams
[23:44] <andylockran> aww, gd gd
[23:44] <andylockran> that'd send me to sleep
[23:44] <andylockran> right.. I'm heading off
[23:45] <popey> nn andylockran
[23:45] <andylockran> have a good weekend all!
[23:45] <andylockran> any if anyone is in Brum, Bees versus Ayr, 3pm Sunday ;)
[23:45] <andylockran> in case I haven't broadcast it enough...
[23:45] <brobostigon> nos da andylockran
[23:47] <andylockran> http://dpaste.com/317847/
[23:47] <andylockran> that also makes me happy
[23:47] <andylockran> added spare disk to the RAID earlier in the week
[23:47] <andylockran> sda went bang y;day
[23:47] <andylockran> gotta love mdadm
[23:47] <andylockran> ta ra
[23:47] <brobostigon> nos da andylockran
[23:55] <brobostigon> nos da,sleep well.