| cyberanger | hard to say which | 00:12 |
|---|---|---|
| cyberanger | maybe both | 00:12 |
| * cyberanger just finished watching the social network | 00:12 | |
| wrst | how was it cyberanger? | 03:33 |
| cyberanger | well, it was intresting | 03:41 |
| cyberanger | I liked the fact they metioned linux tools in reasonable ways | 03:42 |
| cyberanger | and kept it to linux too | 03:42 |
| cyberanger | not to metion the inner bits that was intresting, metioning the race in london, watched live on facebook | 03:43 |
| wrst | cool cyberanger, well off to bed i go see you tomorrow! | 03:44 |
| cyberanger | wrst: see ya | 03:46 |
| exodus_ms | What ever happened to binarymutant? | 04:19 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: hard to say | 04:19 |
| cyberanger | similar to you I suppose | 04:20 |
| cyberanger | circumstances got in the way | 04:20 |
| exodus_ms | The last I was on here regularly was prolly a year ago | 04:20 |
| exodus_ms | Ah, gotcha | 04:20 |
| cyberanger | your case you came back, his case idk | 04:20 |
| exodus_ms | Yeah, I had to take a break. Put my focus on other things | 04:21 |
| cyberanger | yeah, he had some issues between him and his ISP (and I could assume his wallet same as my own for awhile, mainly feb to july) | 04:21 |
| jfenn2199 | Evening all | 04:22 |
| cyberanger | I meant like I did feb to july | 04:22 |
| cyberanger | hey jfenn2199 | 04:22 |
| exodus_ms | Evening jfenn2199 | 04:22 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: I was on most nights, hung out at hotspots and such, the word addicted comes to mind, all three of us had bigger fish to fry | 04:23 |
| exodus_ms | I still don't have internet at home. Using my phone atm | 04:23 |
| cyberanger | and another word comes to mind, stubborn, I was too stubborn to let lack of a good connection stop me | 04:23 |
| jfenn2199 | How goes cyberanger and exodus_ms (long time no see) | 04:23 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: can't blame you, I'd do the same here, and probally will again | 04:23 |
| cyberanger | jfenn2199: reasonable | 04:24 |
| cyberanger | messing with tor | 04:24 |
| exodus_ms | Pretty good. At work still, bout 30 more mins to go :) | 04:24 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: I thought you couldn't use it at work | 04:24 |
| cyberanger | work still is out at arnold right? | 04:24 |
| jfenn2199 | Sounds good I've been out for 5 hours if you don't count the public transit commute | 04:25 |
| exodus_ms | Using my phone | 04:25 |
| exodus_ms | cyberanger I still work at AEDC, using my phone to chat | 04:26 |
| cyberanger | jfenn2199: I would | 04:26 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: suprised they let you | 04:26 |
| cyberanger | guess you've got some weaker policies than others I know | 04:27 |
| cyberanger | fear of a roving bug threats I guess | 04:28 |
| jfenn2199 | At my work we're not supposed to be on our phones but since I got all but one person to get an Android phone even my manager is always on his | 04:28 |
| cyberanger | lol | 04:28 |
| jfenn2199 | It was funny after I got mine every 3 months someone else was getting one | 04:29 |
| jfenn2199 | I'm about to upgrade to an Epic | 04:29 |
| cyberanger | I'm gonna just upgrade the software of mine for now | 04:29 |
| cyberanger | gingerbread | 04:29 |
| cyberanger | I still want to get a Nokia N900 | 04:30 |
| jfenn2199 | Well the moment I don't think will handle froyo and sprint let's me get a new one every year so why not | 04:30 |
| jfenn2199 | Symbian? | 04:30 |
| jfenn2199 | (Sorry don't feel like going to google) | 04:31 |
| cyberanger | no, was Maemo | 04:31 |
| jfenn2199 | Ok | 04:31 |
| cyberanger | well, I guess still is, but I can dev it for Meego | 04:31 |
| cyberanger | or stick froyo on it too | 04:31 |
| jfenn2199 | That's nice | 04:32 |
| jfenn2199 | I'm just stuck to Samsung after the Moment this phone has been super durable | 04:33 |
| jfenn2199 | I've litterally dropped it so hard that the battery cover flies off and I just pick it up put the cover on and go right back to what I was doing | 04:34 |
| cyberanger | the HTC Desire Z is that sturdy | 04:38 |
| jfenn2199 | Yeah I don't like SenseUI though | 04:40 |
| cyberanger | oh, well, that's nice it's all software | 04:43 |
| cyberanger | here it's branded as the T-Mobile G2, pretty much stock | 04:43 |
| cyberanger | and that's really what I have (I just prefer it's htc name) | 04:43 |
| cyberanger | and I don't use the stock build | 04:44 |
| cyberanger | I use a root and dev cyogenmod build | 04:44 |
| jfenn2199 | Sorry phone died | 05:08 |
| jfenn2199 | Wb exodus_ms | 05:32 |
| exodus_ms | thanks jfenn2199 | 05:32 |
| exodus_ms | a little easier on my computer to chat | 05:33 |
| jfenn2199 | Haha I hear that | 05:33 |
| jfenn2199 | It's still another month till I have access back at the house | 05:33 |
| exodus_ms | right now im tethered to my phone, got about a .5s lag | 05:34 |
| jfenn2199 | Yeah I need to root this one | 05:34 |
| exodus_ms | i didnt need to root my phone to tether | 05:35 |
| jfenn2199 | Newer one with an extra bill or....? | 05:35 |
| exodus_ms | not sure what ya mean? | 05:35 |
| exodus_ms | using an app called easyThether. | 05:36 |
| jfenn2199 | Ok that's what I was wondering | 05:36 |
| exodus_ms | everything goes thru my data plan (unlimited) | 05:37 |
| jfenn2199 | Is it available on 2.1? | 05:37 |
| exodus_ms | http://www.mobile-stream.com/easytether/android.html | 05:38 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: cool they let you hang onto your phone at ADEC | 05:38 |
| cyberanger | some guys in similar places, they can't | 05:38 |
| exodus_ms | cyberanger, yeah, but there are places I cant take it. | 05:39 |
| cyberanger | I'd assume a roving bug fear, podslurping and so on | 05:39 |
| cyberanger | ah, per area | 05:39 |
| exodus_ms | you have to drop it off before you enter | 05:39 |
| cyberanger | for those places I just use a nokia 2320, dumb can't do anything device | 05:40 |
| cyberanger | out of concern of something happening to my smartphone | 05:40 |
| exodus_ms | brb, my pup needs to go outside... | 05:40 |
| jfenn2199 | Ugh since I don't have a usb cabel I'll have to wait until I'm at a hotspot to use it :-/ | 05:42 |
| jfenn2199 | *cable | 05:43 |
| exodus_ms | jfenn2199, im confused | 05:47 |
| exodus_ms | if you had a hotspot to use, you wouldnt need your phone to tether to? | 05:50 |
| jfenn2199 | Oh it says I need to install something on the computer I could dl it to the phone and transfer it to the machine but I've lost my usb cable so I can't transfer it | 05:50 |
| exodus_ms | ah, gotcha. yes, there is a deb pkg you need to dl | 05:50 |
| exodus_ms | yeah, and you would need the cable anyway to tether | 05:52 |
| jfenn2199 | Ahhhh | 05:52 |
| jfenn2199 | So no ad_hoc | 05:52 |
| exodus_ms | i know nothing about networking, i just connect and use :) | 05:53 |
| exodus_ms | sorry | 05:53 |
| jfenn2199 | It's cool | 05:54 |
| exodus_ms | but why would you need ad_hoc if you have bluetooth? or am i totally off | 05:54 |
| exodus_ms | or is ad_hoc and bluetooth the same thing? | 05:57 |
| exodus_ms | cyberanger, what smartphone are you using? | 05:57 |
| jfenn2199 | I may be using the wrong terminology but wifi to wifi | 05:58 |
| cyberanger | I have a T-Mobile G2 | 05:59 |
| exodus_ms | sorry you guys, i got a serious lag over here | 05:59 |
| cyberanger | want to also grab a Nokia N900 | 06:00 |
| exodus_ms | i keep dropping off the 3g to 1x... | 06:00 |
| cyberanger | as for ad-hoc wifi, there are some advanages | 06:00 |
| cyberanger | same with bluetooth | 06:00 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: it's fine, I remember using 20kbps link | 06:01 |
| exodus_ms | cyberanger, whats the cl chat program? | 06:01 |
| exodus_ms | I cant remember | 06:01 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: there are some things that can be done to lessen the bandwidth pain too | 06:02 |
| cyberanger | command line chat program for irc? | 06:02 |
| cyberanger | irssi, weechat, common two | 06:02 |
| exodus_ms | irssi, thats it, thanks | 06:02 |
| exodus_ms | do you think it would run any faster (bandwidth) than xchat? | 06:03 |
| cyberanger | for im, finch (or use bitlbee which is an im to irc gateway, and use another) | 06:03 |
| exodus_ms | na, I just want irc | 06:03 |
| cyberanger | bandwidth alone, no, but it can help indirectly | 06:04 |
| exodus_ms | what can I do about the bandwidth? | 06:05 |
| exodus_ms | using xchat | 06:05 |
| cyberanger | which was kinda weird, I saw programs lighter on cpu and ram actually speed up when bandwidth was the issue | 06:05 |
| cyberanger | even when bandwidth didn't change | 06:06 |
| exodus_ms | cyberanger, just curious. where are you seeing me connecting from? | 06:06 |
| cyberanger | the main thing I did was setup a local dns server and squid proxy, which ensured that as much traffic wasn't requested twice | 06:08 |
| cyberanger | view the same image on facebook, request the same ubuntu package, no point downloading it twice | 06:08 |
| cyberanger | sorry I've got lag here too, tor expirement | 06:08 |
| exodus_ms | ah man, see there, you get all crazy. I dont have internet dude! | 06:08 |
| cyberanger | 68.sub-174-252-154.myvzw.com | 06:09 |
| exodus_ms | if I had internet coming into my apt i could do something like that maybe | 06:09 |
| cyberanger | that's not crazy,or at least not crazy dependant on internet | 06:09 |
| exodus_ms | i was just curious, for some reason i get routed thru north carolina at times | 06:10 |
| cyberanger | ah, that's understandable with verizon's setups | 06:10 |
| exodus_ms | i was just under the impression that irc was light on bandwidth. just text being transfered back and forth | 06:11 |
| cyberanger | the above I metioned, was due how I operated | 06:11 |
| cyberanger | worse than you, 20kbps iden | 06:11 |
| cyberanger | and it really helped | 06:11 |
| exodus_ms | cool | 06:12 |
| cyberanger | irc is light, but also real time | 06:12 |
| cyberanger | 1987 there wasn't alot around | 06:12 |
| cyberanger | same in the 92 august coup or the 1992 gulf war | 06:12 |
| cyberanger | irc's biggest days | 06:12 |
| exodus_ms | ok, irc is light but real time.... thats what im saying, were using something that was good for dial up, so why cant i get decent speed thru 3g? | 06:13 |
| cyberanger | but due to everyone having better links now, it shows more defined | 06:13 |
| cyberanger | high latency, no low bandwidth | 06:13 |
| cyberanger | that's the issue | 06:13 |
| exodus_ms | ok | 06:14 |
| cyberanger | satellite internet is the same, high bandwidth, but higher latency | 06:14 |
| cyberanger | and thus your great on bandwidth compared to dial-up, but dial up had lower latency | 06:14 |
| exodus_ms | ah | 06:15 |
| exodus_ms | i see said the blind man | 06:15 |
| cyberanger | since each msg is a packet, latency is it's travel time | 06:15 |
| cyberanger | bandwidth is the size of the packet or packet stream | 06:16 |
| cyberanger | streaming music on pandora can be cached, buffered, nobody notices the latency | 06:16 |
| exodus_ms | so, if there were more folks in this discussion, i would see greater latency? | 06:16 |
| chris4585 | exodus_ms, I get a latency of 15 seconds sometimes on IRC but I don't really notice the lag with few people in a conversation | 06:17 |
| cyberanger | hard to say, if your truely on 3g there, not dropping below to 2.5g or older | 06:17 |
| cyberanger | you shouldn't | 06:17 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: is on hughesnet, he also understands it | 06:17 |
| chris4585 | my lag right now is 1.3 seconds right now, thats only twice as large as cell phones really | 06:17 |
| exodus_ms | im showing 3g with all bars :) | 06:17 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: I think it'd be the same, until the channel size really jumps | 06:18 |
| chris4585 | things usually just take longer to start, egg youtube, but once started its all good | 06:18 |
| cyberanger | it's a per packet phenomenon | 06:18 |
| cyberanger | more chatter, more packets | 06:18 |
| cyberanger | and the way celluar routes, the more tricks | 06:19 |
| exodus_ms | chris4585, i see that in pandora like cyberanger mentioned, it kicked me off the other day for not having a fast enough connection :/ | 06:19 |
| chris4585 | yeah it sucks | 06:19 |
| chris4585 | hughesnet has really good speeds after hours though | 06:19 |
| chris4585 | or if its a really clear sky | 06:20 |
| cyberanger | what I was metioning in pandora, was more of how it doesn't break up due to a few packets lost | 06:20 |
| cyberanger | but miss enough it'll suffer | 06:20 |
| exodus_ms | someone around my apt has wifi called "virusplace" its unprotected, great signal but Im not so sure i should connect to it ;) | 06:20 |
| cyberanger | but latency isn't the issue | 06:20 |
| cyberanger | awesome psyop ssid | 06:21 |
| exodus_ms | but why leave it passwd unprotected? | 06:21 |
| cyberanger | I'd love to help you both optimize your connections, something I've gotten great at here | 06:22 |
| exodus_ms | cyberanger, you need to invest in small towers and put them in strategic places around tn | 06:22 |
| chris4585 | exodus_ms, to allow people to connect to it? lol | 06:22 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: becuase he can, he's effectively scared you off, there is no further incentive to him to keep you off | 06:22 |
| cyberanger | thus why I said psyop | 06:22 |
| chris4585 | cyberanger, that too | 06:23 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: as for small towers, I'm looking at tech that is like that | 06:23 |
| exodus_ms | well, im going to connect to it and dl a bunch of horse porn on his puter, and show him :p | 06:23 |
| cyberanger | and celluar tech, satellite too | 06:23 |
| * cyberanger has seriously been looking at starting an isp for small towns in highly rual areas, and learned alot of low bandwidth tricks in the process | 06:24 | |
| exodus_ms | cyberanger, the last time we talked seriously you were working on that. i think its great bro | 06:25 |
| cyberanger | hehe, forgot you were here for that | 06:25 |
| exodus_ms | there is def a need for something like that. but its way over my head. i understand the concept but thats about it | 06:26 |
| cyberanger | you've been gone so long, hard to remember something ongoing for the past 7 months, if I recall | 06:26 |
| exodus_ms | yeah, about that time. it was around this time last year i started falling back | 06:27 |
| exodus_ms | i literally "unplugged" for awhile. | 06:28 |
| cyberanger | yeah, concept is one thing, the technical methods another, insuring the customer has no need to know how it works | 06:28 |
| cyberanger | that's the goal | 06:29 |
| cyberanger | however, if they ask, I would answer | 06:29 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: well, idk if that was a year ago, I don't recall starting an isp then, or starting my router project | 06:29 |
| exodus_ms | do you have an outline, proposal or plan on paper you could present to anyone? | 06:30 |
| cyberanger | however my networking knowlege has been there, so I might have considered it as an idea to toy with longer than I recall | 06:30 |
| exodus_ms | cyberanger, maybe not, but I do recall talking with you about a need for it. at the time you were traveling a bit | 06:30 |
| cyberanger | not atm, right now I just do it q&a | 06:30 |
| cyberanger | maybe you were around in june a little, in the middle of things | 06:31 |
| cyberanger | and I've used xmpp to chat with you too (your end was probally facebook) | 06:31 |
| exodus_ms | idk, i think the last time i was on here consistently was the earlier part of last year | 06:31 |
| cyberanger | so who knows | 06:32 |
| exodus_ms | at any rate, its good to be back chatting with old friends :) | 06:32 |
| cyberanger | indeed | 06:32 |
| exodus_ms | ive been so out-of-the loop. slowly getting back into it | 06:33 |
| cyberanger | and now that I think a little, you were around a year ago, I recall the motlaw game, same day as your christmas day parade, and you had a night shift | 06:33 |
| cyberanger | went to the game, root the away team, that was dec. | 06:34 |
| cyberanger | and I had a trip later on, into tullahoma, febuary, you were still around | 06:34 |
| cyberanger | but in nashville then (forget the reason) | 06:34 |
| cyberanger | one hell of a year for both of us | 06:34 |
| exodus_ms | yeah, i think i remember that. February was when i moved out | 06:35 |
| exodus_ms | indeed | 06:35 |
| exodus_ms | i just had a lot going on. I had to unplug bro. I felt a need to purge alot of things. I didnt mean to be rude to anyone | 06:36 |
| cyberanger | I think everyone understands | 06:36 |
| exodus_ms | cool | 06:36 |
| cyberanger | I know I do | 06:36 |
| exodus_ms | right on, thanks bro | 06:37 |
| cyberanger | wrst and I saw the departing the team launchpad email, he wondered at that time, but you had already filled some of us on the mess | 06:38 |
| cyberanger | and he understood, those that know bits of your nightmare really do understand that kind of stand back and think mentality you took | 06:39 |
| cyberanger | and I do mean that offer on tethering tweaks to help | 06:39 |
| cyberanger | or in chris4585's case, slightly different reason, pretty much the same tweaks | 06:40 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: it wouldn't take much to use your smartphone as a modem, and your ubuntu machine as a router | 06:40 |
| exodus_ms | cyberanger, the thing is, right now the setup allows incoming txt msg, calls etc to still come thru when im tethered | 06:42 |
| exodus_ms | granted, it usually disrupts my connection to my laptop and i have to "reconnect" when that happens | 06:42 |
| exodus_ms | im curious if i used my phone as a modem if i could also receive calls, txt msgs etc at the same time | 06:43 |
| * cyberanger remembers taking an asus eee pc with two wifi cards, connecting one to mcdonalds wifi, having the other act as an access point, and was on for 4 hours (with their stuff set to try and kick off every two hours, it was fun proving how weak that setup was) | 06:44 | |
| cyberanger | if your tethering now fine, then yes | 06:45 |
| * exodus_ms just needs stuff to work... is thankful he can chat at the moment | 06:45 | |
| cyberanger | the one bit needed is the routing bit, that's not the phone, that's the computer next to it | 06:46 |
| exodus_ms | what is the benefit to your proposal? | 06:46 |
| cyberanger | and linux kernels really excel there | 06:46 |
| exodus_ms | smartphone (modem) *buntu machine (router)? | 06:46 |
| cyberanger | pretty much | 06:47 |
| exodus_ms | thats what im asking, what is the benefit to that? | 06:47 |
| cyberanger | depends on how your setup for what I'm proposing exactly, but as for the smartphone and linux machine combo | 06:48 |
| cyberanger | just a way to share it's internet connection | 06:48 |
| cyberanger | if you have more than one machine | 06:49 |
| cyberanger | as for the squid proxy (one other idea) has the additional benifit of conserving bandwidth | 06:49 |
| cyberanger | if you head to facebook once via squid proxy, and open it later, squid has most of the images already | 06:50 |
| cyberanger | so you only download what squid doesn't have | 06:50 |
| exodus_ms | where is it stored? the cache that is? | 06:50 |
| cyberanger | on the ubuntu machine | 06:51 |
| cyberanger | that it's installed to | 06:51 |
| cyberanger | so if you have a desktop, and two laptops, and install squid on the desktop, then the cache is on the desktop | 06:52 |
| exodus_ms | but cant you setup your browser to do that already? | 06:52 |
| cyberanger | setup your browser to cache images? | 06:52 |
| exodus_ms | yes, and everything else. | 06:53 |
| cyberanger | depends on the browser, and most modern ones that'd be a yes | 06:53 |
| cyberanger | but not everything else (such as deb packages) | 06:53 |
| cyberanger | and text | 06:53 |
| cyberanger | and think of squid as a way to share caches too | 06:54 |
| cyberanger | as if you own 3 machines, they don't have the same cache, necessarlly | 06:54 |
| exodus_ms | but if you visit somewhere you have never visited before, its irrelevant right? | 06:54 |
| cyberanger | well, not entirely, but for the most part yes | 06:54 |
| cyberanger | after all, a different site might have the same image, or embedded content | 06:55 |
| cyberanger | like google analytics scripts | 06:55 |
| exodus_ms | maybe i could create a bot that scanned the internet at regular intervals and stored the relevent info on a personal server that could be used to share that cache | 06:56 |
| cyberanger | the idea is reduction, you'll never hit zero | 06:56 |
| cyberanger | but on a scale of 0-3 (say, 3 machines) if all machines get ubuntu updates, and visit facebook each day, it would be 3, but with squid, shrink to 1 or less | 06:57 |
| cyberanger | but not 0 | 06:57 |
| exodus_ms | but, the larger the cache the more time it takes to search thru the archives etc etc, kinda defeats the purpose | 06:57 |
| cyberanger | I've had extremely large caches, and it'll purge when something is timestale | 06:58 |
| cyberanger | no isp can rival the speed of your lan | 06:58 |
| exodus_ms | i understand how it can be useful for redundancy i.e frequently visited sites etc. but what about the not so frequent? | 06:59 |
| cyberanger | in this case, verizon wireless is the isp, and any speed lost is minor, and gained by the fact your not needing celluar to fetch it | 06:59 |
| * exodus_ms misses being able to chat a scour the web at the same time... | 07:00 | |
| cyberanger | you'd be suprised how consistant ones web browsing habits are | 07:00 |
| cyberanger | and not so frequent won't be too big an issue still | 07:00 |
| exodus_ms | social engineering def plays into effect here, but there are times i break out of habbits, just because ya know ;) | 07:01 |
| cyberanger | if your connection is slow, this won't slow it down needlessly | 07:01 |
| exodus_ms | ok, im going to open up chromim, lets see what happens | 07:02 |
| cyberanger | bandwidth is allways the weakest link | 07:02 |
| exodus_ms | *chromium | 07:02 |
| cyberanger | any slow down is milliseconds | 07:02 |
| exodus_ms | im going to clear the cache as well | 07:03 |
| cyberanger | and recouped by a single item added or pulled from the cache | 07:03 |
| exodus_ms | lag = .7s | 07:04 |
| cyberanger | but is that one computer? and your only one? | 07:05 |
| exodus_ms | so, looking at the meter i can almost anticipate when a msg will arrive here in xchat, kinda cool | 07:05 |
| exodus_ms | yes | 07:06 |
| cyberanger | and only browser? | 07:06 |
| cyberanger | no firefox | 07:07 |
| exodus_ms | no ff | 07:07 |
| exodus_ms | wait, ff is installed but not running. is that what you were asking? | 07:08 |
| exodus_ms | if it was installed | 07:08 |
| cyberanger | well, more your usage | 07:08 |
| cyberanger | you could get away with just xchat and chromium | 07:08 |
| cyberanger | for a month | 07:08 |
| cyberanger | reason I'm asking is to define normal usage | 07:12 |
| cyberanger | to compare to vz's expectations and plus areas to optimize | 07:12 |
| cyberanger | dns, http, irc | 07:13 |
| exodus_ms | thats about it ^ | 07:13 |
| cyberanger | maybe also ntp, but for a laptop, there can be another way to deal with that, or ignore it | 07:14 |
| exodus_ms | if i had a regular dedicated line for my apt, it would be different | 07:14 |
| cyberanger | but you don't need one | 07:14 |
| exodus_ms | ntp? what for? | 07:14 |
| cyberanger | however, what would you change | 07:14 |
| cyberanger | ntp, network time protocall, something I expect is going on in the backround | 07:15 |
| cyberanger | it's traffic, gotta count it | 07:15 |
| exodus_ms | yeah, thats why i was asking why i would us/need it? | 07:15 |
| exodus_ms | *use | 07:15 |
| cyberanger | well, you probally already are, and it's a give away that you are tethering | 07:16 |
| cyberanger | since the phone doesn't use ntp via vz's data network | 07:16 |
| chris4585 | speedtest before 2am http://www.speedtest.net/result/1110696045.png | 07:16 |
| cyberanger | the celluar base station sends it the time | 07:16 |
| chris4585 | speedtest after 2am http://www.speedtest.net/result/1110709125.png | 07:16 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: no fap throttling for it | 07:17 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: as for why it's used, more accurate than the interal clock | 07:18 |
| chris4585 | oh god if I was under fap it would be awful, the test would take 20mins to complete | 07:18 |
| cyberanger | the internal clock drifts alot | 07:18 |
| cyberanger | chris4585: not to metion the speed couldn't be that high, they drop to 56k or less | 07:18 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: I'm looking at it as if I was hughesnet, verizon, charter, whoever | 07:19 |
| cyberanger | looking at all usage | 07:19 |
| cyberanger | and that's important if your tethering | 07:19 |
| exodus_ms | is it a bad thing that you know im tethering? you mentioned it was a give away that i was | 07:21 |
| cyberanger | the nice thing about android, one can explain away some of the signs, such as using a different dns server (I use opennic, and one of my websites is www.zachgibbens.geek, a opennic only site) | 07:22 |
| cyberanger | but if they have a policy against excessive data and tethering, it's a bit worse | 07:22 |
| cyberanger | they often turn a blind eye, to a point | 07:22 |
| cyberanger | ntp traffic is a sign I'd look for that screams tethering | 07:23 |
| exodus_ms | gotcha | 07:23 |
| cyberanger | but if my traffic stays low (and your case it will, if that's all your doing) it's pointless to cry foul | 07:23 |
| cyberanger | it used to be that ssh traffic was a give away, but not anymore, using a different dns server was (that one can be explained too, but that's not as clear cut) | 07:25 |
| cyberanger | it's gotten to the point where the amount of traffic is the only thing that pisses them off | 07:25 |
| exodus_ms | why do they care? man, it pisses me off. | 07:26 |
| cyberanger | much to my disappointment (it's no fun tricking a blind guy into looking for gullibule on the celing) | 07:26 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: are they charging you an arm and a leg? | 07:27 |
| exodus_ms | it would be different if i were downloading a ton of crap and eating up bandwidth, but they want to nickle and dime every freaking packet | 07:27 |
| cyberanger | they want both legs | 07:27 |
| cyberanger | greed | 07:27 |
| cyberanger | well, they've moved away from nickel and diming like they did | 07:27 |
| exodus_ms | cyberanger, not at the moment, i have an unlimited data package, one flat monthly rate | 07:28 |
| cyberanger | tethering is a sign of high usage, in theroy | 07:28 |
| cyberanger | and what they care about is when one guy tests the defination of unlimited | 07:29 |
| exodus_ms | im not trying to test anyone, i just want access to what should be a no-cost venture in the first place | 07:30 |
| cyberanger | on virgin mobile I did just that (knowing I paid cash and they had no data on me, thus the worst thing they could do is kill service and I'd just act like a new customer) | 07:30 |
| cyberanger | grabbed 10g in under 48 hours | 07:30 |
| cyberanger | when at the time 5gb was the cap for contract services with everyone but t-mobile | 07:31 |
| cyberanger | t-mo had a soft cap of 10g and then throttle | 07:31 |
| exodus_ms | www.zachgibbens.geek <-- not site? | 07:32 |
| cyberanger | I did that becuase their policy had no fine print (at the time, I got an email today saying they're gonna soft cap at 5gb and then throttle) | 07:32 |
| cyberanger | (starting feb 15th I think) | 07:32 |
| cyberanger | your not testing them, or being a heavy user, your fine | 07:33 |
| cyberanger | they'll see markers like ntp, but ignore them, insignificant amount | 07:34 |
| cyberanger | it's an opennic domain, http://www.opennicproject.org | 07:34 |
| cyberanger | if using opennic it'd resolve to 109.74.196.32 | 07:34 |
| cyberanger | my holy grail server of servers ;-) | 07:35 |
| cyberanger | .com .org .edu ICANN domains | 07:36 |
| exodus_ms | cool, hey bro im gonna call it a night. nice catching up with you. like always i learned alot ;) | 07:37 |
| cyberanger | OpenNIC want's an independant and democratic system, due to misdeeds in the current system, such as ICE seizing numerous .com's and such | 07:37 |
| cyberanger | exodus_ms: understand, nearly 2am there | 07:37 |
| cyberanger | enjoy the night, see you another one | 07:38 |
| exodus_ms | cyberanger, yes indeed | 07:38 |
| wrst | hey linuxman410 | 13:32 |
| linuxman410 | hey wrst | 13:32 |
| wrst | how are things going linuxman410? | 13:32 |
| linuxman410 | going ok got my new phone yesterday | 13:33 |
| linuxman410 | got my laptop too it would not run ubuntu 10.10 but it run xubuntu 10.10 does not make sense | 13:34 |
| wrst | weird linuxman410, just wouldn't start? | 13:36 |
| linuxman410 | no it just sit there at the ubuntu screen i thought about trying mint on it | 13:40 |
| wrst | hmm weird, did you try an alternate install cd? | 13:42 |
| wrst | or did it install ? and wouldn't boot afterwards? | 13:42 |
| linuxman410 | no i guess i can download that and try it | 13:42 |
| linuxman410 | no it would not install from regular download media | 13:43 |
| wrst | lots of times that will take care of those problems or if you want the regular gnome you could just install ubuntu-desktop | 13:43 |
| linuxman410 | wrst i tried sudo apt-get install ubuntu desktop and it said not found | 13:52 |
| wrst | linuxman410: shoudl be ubuntu-desktop gotta have the - | 13:52 |
| linuxman410 | gotta it was not paying attention still early | 13:53 |
| wrst | i know the feeling linuxman410 :) | 13:53 |
| wrst | i had kubuntu installed and did that last night... wow kubuntu still pretty much stinks for me | 13:53 |
| linuxman410 | i have always used ubuntu not xubuntu | 13:54 |
| wrst | i don't really get xubuntu | 13:54 |
| linuxman410 | me either | 13:55 |
| wrst | yeah just i don't know just kinda strange to me | 13:56 |
| linuxman410 | finally got natty live cd to boot but it kept crashing | 13:56 |
| wrst | weird | 13:57 |
| Xpistos | morning all | 14:13 |
| Xpistos | wrst | 14:13 |
| wrst | morning Xpistos | 14:15 |
| linuxman410 | wrst refresh my memory how do i remove xfce-desktop | 14:15 |
| cyberanger | morning everyone | 14:15 |
| wrst | linuxman410: should be apt-get remove xfce-desktop or to remove all the config files apt-get purge | 14:16 |
| wrst | but i'm not positive if that will remove everything xfce | 14:16 |
| cyberanger | linuxman410: very carefully | 14:16 |
| cyberanger | and it won't | 14:16 |
| cyberanger | if any tool is dependant on it | 14:17 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i see something suggesting apt-get autoremove | 14:17 |
| cyberanger | ther dependancy settings are sweet for installing metapackages, not so much otherwise | 14:18 |
| cyberanger | autoremove is fine | 14:18 |
| cyberanger | just removes what isn't used | 14:18 |
| cyberanger | Xpistos: you should have an email later today with code you seeked | 14:19 |
| cyberanger | just gotta get at my machine first | 14:19 |
| Xpistos | cyberanger: thanks bro | 14:19 |
| linuxman410 | wrst i tried sudo apt-get remove xfce-desktop and it says unable to locate | 14:20 |
| cyberanger | linuxman410: metapackage, gotta remove it's dependices | 14:20 |
| wrst | linuxman410: its actually xubuntu-desktop is the metapackage name | 14:20 |
| cyberanger | oh, that'd also help | 14:21 |
| linuxman410 | ok i have remove xubuntu-desktop and now have ubuntu-desktop with a xubuntu splash screen and login window | 14:24 |
| wrst | linuxman410: i found a command | 14:24 |
| wrst | sudo apt-get remove a2ps abiword abiword-common abiword-plugin-grammar abiword-plugin-mathview aumix aumix-common browser-plugin-parole catfish elementary-icon-theme exaile exo-utils fortune-mod fortunes-min gdebi gdebi-core gigolo gimp gimp-data gnumeric gnumeric-common gnumeric-doc gtk2-engines-xfce gvfs-bin hal hal-info imagemagick libabiword-2.8 libaiksaurus-1.2-0c2a libaiksaurus-1.2-data libaiksaurusgtk-1.2-0c2a libbabl-0.0-0 libcdt4 libexo-0.3 | 14:24 |
| wrst | -0 libexo-common libgdome2-0 libgdome2-cpp-smart0c2a libgegl-0.0-0 libgimp2.0 libgoffice-0.8-8 libgoffice-0.8-8-common libgraph4 libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common libgtkmathview0c2a libgvc5 libhal-storage1 libhal1 libilmbase6 libjpeg-progs libjpeg8 liblink-grammar4 libloudmouth1-0 libmagickcore3-extra libmng1 libnetpbm10 libopenexr6 libotr2 libots0 libpathplan4 libpsiconv6 librecode0 libsexy2 libtagc0 libthunar-vfs-1-2 libwv-1.2-3 libxcb-keysyms1 libxdot4 | 14:24 |
| wrst | libxfce4menu-0.1-0 libxfce4util-bin libxfce4util-common libxfce4util4 libxfcegui4-4 libxfconf-0-2 link-grammar-dictionaries-en mousepad murrine-themes netpbm orage oss-compat parole pidgin pidgin-data pidgin-libnotify pidgin-otr plymouth-theme-xubuntu-logo psutils python-cddb python-mmkeys python-mutagen ristretto smartdimmer tango-icon-theme tango-icon-theme-common thunar thunar-archive-plugin thunar-data thunar-media-tags-plugin thunar | 14:24 |
| wrst | -thumbnailers thunar-volman thunderbird ttf-lyx wdiff xchat xchat-common xfburn xfce-keyboard-shortcuts xfce4-appfinder xfce4-clipman xfce4-clipman-plugin xfce4-cpugraph-plugin xfce4-dict xfce4-fsguard-plugin xfce4-mailwatch-plugin xfce4-mixer xfce4-mount-plugin xfce4-netload-plugin xfce4-notes xfce4-notes-plugin xfce4-panel xfce4-places-plugin xfce4-power-manager xfce4-power-manager-data xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin xfce4-screenshooter xfce4-session | 14:24 |
| wrst | xfce4-settings xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin xfce4-systemload-plugin xfce4-taskmanager xfce4-terminal xfce4-utils xfce4-verve-plugin xfce4-volumed xfce4-weather-plugin xfce4-xkb-plugin xfconf xfdesktop4 xfdesktop4-data xfprint4 xfswitch-plugin xfwm4 xfwm4-themes xscreensaver xubuntu-artwork xubuntu-default-settings xubuntu-desktop xubuntu-docs xubuntu-gdm-theme xubuntu-icon-theme xubuntu-wallpapers | 14:24 |
| wrst | wow sorry | 14:24 |
| wrst | didn't know it was that large of a command :\ | 14:24 |
| wrst | linuxman410: from here http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome | 14:25 |
| wrst | hmm well hate he left after i flooded with that command :\ | 14:26 |
| linuxman410 | wrst when i type that lin in it says not found | 14:29 |
| wrst | hmm not for sure | 14:30 |
| wrst | linuxman410: that has worked for me before from that site | 14:31 |
| wrst | but who knows what could be updated etc etc and not match up with all of that | 14:31 |
| linuxman410 | wow that just messed up whole installation so i will re install with alternative cd | 14:38 |
| wrst | :\ | 14:46 |
| starspot | howdy | 17:25 |
| starspot | I can't get x to load after uninstalling the proprietary radeon drivers :-( | 17:26 |
| starspot | what do I do with the boot CD to remedy this? | 17:26 |
| wrst | hey exodus_ms | 18:01 |
| exodus_ms | hey wrst | 18:01 |
| wrst | starspot: you want to reinstall the radeon drivers? | 18:01 |
| wrst | exodus_ms: long time no see great to see you around! | 18:01 |
| exodus_ms | thanks wrst you too | 18:02 |
| chris4585 | wrst, I thought you would like to see this http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/unity-2d-qt-now-available-in-ppa-for.html | 19:30 |
| wrst | that is interesting chris4585, i may have to give that a try | 19:33 |
| chris4585 | yeah the only funny thing is its using qt, but whatever if it works | 19:33 |
| wrst | yeah what's up with that? | 19:34 |
| chris4585 | apparently mark is gay for qt | 19:34 |
| chris4585 | there are other articles about the news, that was just about it getting a ppa | 19:35 |
| wrst | well if he is so gay for qt (love that term) why do they not use kde? | 19:36 |
| chris4585 | I'm not really sure, I just got that from the comments on another post lol | 19:36 |
| wrst | kde is just so unstable for me, i would love to use it, because it looks so good but they seemed to have sacraficed functionality for looks | 19:43 |
| pace_t_zulu | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/01/fcc-contest-seeks-more-data-better-net-neutrality | 20:59 |
| pace_t_zulu | cyberanger: ^ | 20:59 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu, cyberanger i'm not exactly on top of the net neutrality stuff what do you guys think? | 21:05 |
| pace_t_zulu | i am pro neutrality | 21:10 |
| pace_t_zulu | perhaps one day i will change my mind | 21:11 |
| pace_t_zulu | but i don't see that happening | 21:11 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: intresting, in a way | 22:07 |
| cyberanger | wrst: the terms flopped around in a way that makes me dislike it | 22:07 |
| cyberanger | I'll settle for ethical and consumer driven | 22:07 |
| wrst | i suppose i may not fully understand what is going on with it cyberanger | 22:43 |
| wrst | just did a little reading and I understand, why someone would be pro- but also shudder in fear of the fcc doing much of anything other than screwing things up | 22:44 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i think i willl probalby agree with you on what i have read so far | 22:44 |
| cyberanger | wrst: that's the fcc | 22:45 |
| cyberanger | and thus my comment | 22:45 |
| wrst | yeah i'm very much a "small government" guy so i'm not wild about regulators | 22:45 |
| wrst | not saying we don't need some regulation i'm not an anarchist :) | 22:45 |
| cyberanger | well, the fcc in it's original space made sense | 22:46 |
| cyberanger | try having everyone use 2.4ghz for everything | 22:46 |
| cyberanger | fm radio, tv, worldwide radio, celluar towers, wifi, bluetooth | 22:47 |
| cyberanger | no space | 22:47 |
| cyberanger | (illogical example, but a quick and dirty one too) | 22:48 |
| wrst | yes agreed like most things they get too power hungry | 22:48 |
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