[00:44] <dan2> is reading html emails broken in thunderbird?
[00:45] <dan2> rather at least in mine it doesn't render any of them
[00:45] <dan2> it's like reading the lynx output
[00:49] <leagris> there are two modes for html emails in thunderbird
[00:50] <leagris> display/body/original html, simplified html (without graphics). An furthermore, any remote content display is disabled by default for privacy concerns
[00:50] <dan2> I got it fixed now
[00:50] <dan2> thanks
[01:33] <Adlai_> trying to upgrade with update-manager -d and do-release-upgrade -d , but I keep getting the error "Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages"
[01:33] <Adlai_> anyone know how I can figure out which packages cause this error
[01:34] <Adlai_> or how to try to upgrade manually?
[01:45] <Adlai_> I guess it could be this ayatana api change thing, but it would be nice to verify it by seeing more details about the error
[03:01] <coz_> good day
[03:14] <Ryan1> I'm experiencing a segfault in apache2 2.2.16-6ubuntu1 in natty and I can't find anything about it on Google. It crashes whenever I post anything. Anyone care to see if they can replicate the problem?
[03:15] <Ryan1> Here's how to replicate: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554249/
[03:15] <Ryan1> And here's an strace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554250/
[03:16] <Ryan1> Note that if I send a post request with no post data, it works fine
[03:28] <Ryan1> Here's a gdb backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554251/
[08:51] <jilem> hi!
[08:51] <jilem> Will Ubuntu 11.04 have a quickstarter on system tray to load faster the LibreOffice ? Because OpenOffice and LibreOfice latest versions starts very slow on my system ... :(
[09:02] <jilem> anyway. i have to leave. thank you!
[09:31] <illuminaris> Anyone willing to help me troubleshoot a WOW + ATI Radeon 9800 Pro issue? I can get it to play but only at 7fps with opengl or direct3d
[10:03] <twager> Upgraded the system today using apt.Upgrade-manager now tells me I can do a partial upgrade but synaptic says I need 20.5 Mb to upgrade..Who do I believe ?
[10:14] <zniavre_> unity-2d can't be installed yet ?
[10:18] <cdbs> nirazio: If you want to upgrade, then download the *alternative* cd of the latest build, then:
[10:18] <nirazio> cdbs: Oke then?
[10:18] <cdbs> nirazio: then press alt+f2, type gksu `sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade` and press enter
[10:19] <nirazio> gksu `sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade` or gksu /cdrom/cdromupgrade ?
[10:19] <cdbs> I guess both should work
[10:19] <cdbs> I use the former
[10:19] <ashesofpain> hey, are there any "big" differences between 10 an 11?
[10:20] <ashesofpain> I only use it on my laptop for university and small stuff
[10:21] <Jemt> ashesofpain: 11 is not at all stable, so yes :)
[10:21] <nirazio> cdbs: Do i need alternate cd,is there any other way to upgrade it?
[10:21] <ashesofpain> oh ok... thanks for the info (I shouldn't upgrade, then)
[10:21] <Jemt> Not if you are satisfied with 10.10 :)
[10:21] <Jemt> .. or want to expirement
[10:21] <ashesofpain> Jemt, extremely!
[10:21] <cdbs> nirazio: there are 2 ways:
[10:22] <cdbs> 1) Upgrade using update-manager
[10:22] <cdbs> 2) Upgrade using alternate cd
[10:22] <Jemt> cdbs: Can't he just change the repository in /apt/sources and do "apt-get upgrade" like on Debian ?
[10:22] <ashesofpain> Jemt,  I experiment on my PC, not my laptop, because my laptop needs to work, ALWAYS :D
[10:22] <cdbs> Jemt: he can also update-manager -d
[10:22] <cdbs> nirazio: if you want to use the former, then:
[10:22] <Jemt> ashesofpain: Good idea :)
[10:22] <Jemt> That's how I do it too
[10:22] <cdbs> press Alt+F2 and type update-manager -d
[10:22] <cdbs> then click upgrade
[10:23] <cdbs> it will download several packages (over 700 MB) and then install them (Installation takes around 1 hour)
[10:23] <cdbs> nirazio: another warning, since it ain't that stable ( I am using it ATM)
[10:23] <nirazio> cdbs: Thankyou :)
[10:23] <cdbs> nirazio: you're welcome
[10:24] <twager> Anyone tried a dist-upgrade today ?
[10:24] <nirazio> cdbs: From where i can get the alternate cd ?
[10:24] <cdbs> twager: I did
[10:24] <cdbs> nirazio: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[10:24] <twager> cdbs: Was it ok ?
[10:24] <cdbs> twager: yes, I just rebooted
[10:24] <cdbs> everything's fine
[10:25] <cdbs> infact, the system's snappier after today's updates
[10:25] <nirazio> Is this command right ? gksu `sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade`
[10:25] <twager> cdbs: I hve just completed an upgrade but dist-upgrade requires another 26.5 Mb  Any idea why ?
[10:26] <cdbs> twager: maybe because in the time between an upgrade and dist-upgrade there were 26 mb of changes
[10:26] <cdbs> changes happen very very quickly
[10:27] <twager> cdbs: Upgrade tells me No upgrades
[10:27] <cdbs> twager: FYI I dist-upgrade always
[10:27] <cdbs> I never do upgrade
[10:27] <cdbs> I dunno the difference, sorry
[10:27] <twager> Anyway will give it a whirl :-)
[10:28] <nirazio> cdbs: This is the command right ? gksu sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade
[10:30] <cdbs> nirazio: yep
[10:30] <cdbs> nirazio: the quotes aren't very important
[10:30] <nirazio> Oke :)
[10:30] <nirazio> cdbs: What is the meaning of sh there?
[10:30] <cdbs> shell
[10:31] <cdbs> in ubuntu, sh is linked to dash, even though bash is used
[10:32] <nirazio> Oke
[10:36] <twager> cdbs: Seems ok...As yet :-)
[11:15] <yofel> twager: upgrade will not *remove* things, even if new packages have conflicting dependencies (maybe something was replaced with a conflicting package), dist-upgrade will, but there's no guarantee that what it does is what you want, so make sure to read first and then say yes
[11:16] <yofel> actually apt-get won't even install new things I think with upgrade to satisfy dependencies without removing stuff, upgrade is really just updating, not installing/removing.
[11:49] <twager> yofel: Ta for the info..I have done a dist-upgrade and all is well..Seems a lot faster after the upgrade and the icons ars snappier
[11:49] <yofel> :)
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[15:26] <Punkoff> Hi, I can't see any installed applets in 'Add Applet' window (Gnome panel).
[15:32] <Punkoff> Umm, anyone?
[15:33] <coz_> Punkoff,  ooo
[15:33] <coz_> Punkoff,   fresh install?
[15:36] <Punkoff> nope, upgrade from 10.10
[15:41] <hifi> he's the guy!
[17:19] <Gulfstream> is it safe to update Natty?
[17:20] <hifi> if there's nothing on the topic it's relatively safe
[17:22] <Gulfstream> looks like it might be safe... I am missing everything on the right side of the top panel
[17:22] <Adlai_> it's not working for me
[17:22] <Adlai_> horrible dependency crap
[17:23] <Adlai_> right now I'm trying to figure out how to replace libwebkit with libwebkitgtk
[17:23] <om26er> Gulfstream, no
[17:24] <Gulfstream> is everything on the far right side of the panel supposed to be gone?
[17:24] <Gulfstream> *top panel
[17:41] <yofel> Gulfstream: you can get the topic by hand by typing '/topic'
[17:42] <yofel> Gulfstream: and that depends on the client you're using, quassel shows the topic fine
[17:43] <Gulfstream> yofel: I can see the topic
[17:44] <yofel> then goo, if you can see the warning too
[17:44] <yofel> *then good
[17:44] <Gulfstream> I was just wanting to know if it was still in effect
[18:37] <yuvipanda> Is there a way for me to 'upgrade' from 10.10 to Natty?
[18:38] <penguin42> yuvipanda: Yeh, just run update-manager -d  I think should do it
[18:39] <yuvipanda> penguin42, woah neat. Thanks! Didn't know -d pulled in alphas
[18:52] <yuvipanda> penguin42, it quit after telling me that it can't mark ubuntu-desktop for upgrade.
[18:52] <yuvipanda> penguin42, it does list 'upgrading to a pre-release version of ubuntu'  as a possible cause
[18:54] <charlie-tca> yuvipanda: might have to wait a couple of days then. Therer are broken packages at this time
[18:56] <yuvipanda> charlie-tca, ok
[18:56] <yuvipanda> charlie-tca, is there somewhere i can get a nightly of the netbook edition atleast? could test it out on my spare netbook...
[18:57] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/current/
[18:58] <charlie-tca> If that doesn't work for you, use the daily image. I think the netbook and desktop images are the same now under unity
[18:58] <charlie-tca> !daily
[19:09] <illuminaris> Can anyone help me troubleshoot wow graphics issue? Ubuntu 11.04, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, WINE 1.2.1
[20:09] <Gulfstream> I am having trouble starting applicationg like "Additional Drivers" and "Printing"
[20:25] <mongy> when will the next daily live be, anyone know?
[20:27] <Gulfstream> I would think that it would be after the Ayatana API change
[20:34] <mongy> yeah thats partly why im asking..  I know of some major changes goin on so im waiting
[20:34] <mongy> well, only reason I havent put the latest daily live on my netbook is because it crashes
[20:35] <knittl> hm. i got a lot of packages held back
[20:35] <mongy> so its either alpha1 or this newer one in x days... ill go for x
[20:35] <knittl> to be removed: libindicator1 libunity0 unity-place-applications unity-place-files
[20:35] <knittl> when trying to update unity
[20:35] <knittl> is that okey?
[20:37] <scizzo-> knittl: you should wait
[20:37] <knittl> scizzo-: alright, then i'll wait :)
[20:38] <scizzo-> knittl: since the unity packages are getting ready I believe
[20:38] <knittl> there are also other packages: empathy, lots of indicator stuff, rhythmbox, gimp, compiz
[20:39] <scizzo-> knittl: if you check the release notes it says that they have ported it to another libindicator package
[20:39] <knittl> but i can wait, no probs :)
[20:39] <scizzo-> knittl: and webkit
[20:39] <scizzo-> knittl: check the changelog
[20:39] <knittl> changelog of which package?
[20:40] <scizzo-> knittl: gimp, empathy and so on
[20:40] <scizzo-> knittl: gimp:  - Change build-depends from libwebkit-dev to libwebkitgtk-dev
[20:41] <knittl> okidoki. thx scizzo-
[20:42] <scizzo-> knittl: if you run a: apt-get -u dist-upgrade you will se exactly the packages being removed and which are new....you can also see that some of the packages are replacing the old packages.....because of porting....
[20:42] <scizzo-> knittl: easy way to see if you remove something you don't want to remove....
[20:42] <knittl> i didn't knew -u
[20:42] <knittl> but most of the time i use aptitude safe-upgrade to not remove the wrong packages
[22:47] <yuvipanda> if i move to alpha1
[22:47] <yuvipanda> will there be an 'upgrade path' for me?
[22:47] <yuvipanda> to further alphas, etc?
[22:47] <penguin42> yeh, it should just keep updating
[22:48] <penguin42> although remember, it's an alpha - it might completely and horribly break
[22:48] <yuvipanda> penguin42, yeah, this is my secondary machine so not an issue
[22:48] <yuvipanda> as long as it doen't hobble up my entire media volume... :)
[22:48]  * yuvipanda goes to make sure his code backup works
[22:49] <penguin42> nod; alpha software can do anything!
[23:53] <rww> Hrm. Can someone check whether these software do approximately the same thing, so when I'm trying to explain Unity I'm right?:
[23:54] <rww> (11.04 ~ 10.10 ~ GNOME 3)   Unity ~ gnome-panel ~ gnome-shell | compiz ~ compiz or metacity ~ mutter
[23:54] <rww> and mutter is metacity with clutter, and clutter is is a toolkit? like GTK+?
[23:55] <penguin42> 11.04: Still seems to have metacity as an option ('Classic desktop')
[23:55] <penguin42> actually, classic I think can also be compiz
[23:55] <rww> indeed. I meant defaults.
[23:55] <rww> 11.04 with Classic desktop is approximately the same as 10.10, as I understand it.