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dan2is reading html emails broken in thunderbird?00:44
dan2rather at least in mine it doesn't render any of them00:45
dan2it's like reading the lynx output00:45
leagristhere are two modes for html emails in thunderbird00:49
leagrisdisplay/body/original html, simplified html (without graphics). An furthermore, any remote content display is disabled by default for privacy concerns00:50
dan2I got it fixed now00:50
dan2thanks00:50
Adlai_trying to upgrade with update-manager -d and do-release-upgrade -d , but I keep getting the error "Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages"01:33
Adlai_anyone know how I can figure out which packages cause this error01:33
Adlai_or how to try to upgrade manually?01:34
Adlai_I guess it could be this ayatana api change thing, but it would be nice to verify it by seeing more details about the error01:45
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coz_good day03:01
Ryan1I'm experiencing a segfault in apache2 2.2.16-6ubuntu1 in natty and I can't find anything about it on Google. It crashes whenever I post anything. Anyone care to see if they can replicate the problem?03:14
Ryan1Here's how to replicate: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554249/03:15
Ryan1And here's an strace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554250/03:15
Ryan1Note that if I send a post request with no post data, it works fine03:16
Ryan1Here's a gdb backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554251/03:28
jilemhi!08:51
jilemWill Ubuntu 11.04 have a quickstarter on system tray to load faster the LibreOffice ? Because OpenOffice and LibreOfice latest versions starts very slow on my system ... :(08:51
jilemanyway. i have to leave. thank you!09:02
illuminarisAnyone willing to help me troubleshoot a WOW + ATI Radeon 9800 Pro issue? I can get it to play but only at 7fps with opengl or direct3d09:31
twagerUpgraded the system today using apt.Upgrade-manager now tells me I can do a partial upgrade but synaptic says I need 20.5 Mb to upgrade..Who do I believe ?10:03
zniavre_unity-2d can't be installed yet ?10:14
cdbsnirazio: If you want to upgrade, then download the *alternative* cd of the latest build, then:10:18
niraziocdbs: Oke then?10:18
cdbsnirazio: then press alt+f2, type gksu `sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade` and press enter10:18
niraziogksu `sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade` or gksu /cdrom/cdromupgrade ?10:19
cdbsI guess both should work10:19
cdbsI use the former10:19
ashesofpainhey, are there any "big" differences between 10 an 11?10:19
ashesofpainI only use it on my laptop for university and small stuff10:20
Jemtashesofpain: 11 is not at all stable, so yes :)10:21
niraziocdbs: Do i need alternate cd,is there any other way to upgrade it?10:21
ashesofpainoh ok... thanks for the info (I shouldn't upgrade, then)10:21
JemtNot if you are satisfied with 10.10 :)10:21
Jemt.. or want to expirement10:21
ashesofpainJemt, extremely!10:21
cdbsnirazio: there are 2 ways:10:21
cdbs1) Upgrade using update-manager10:22
cdbs2) Upgrade using alternate cd10:22
Jemtcdbs: Can't he just change the repository in /apt/sources and do "apt-get upgrade" like on Debian ?10:22
ashesofpainJemt,  I experiment on my PC, not my laptop, because my laptop needs to work, ALWAYS :D10:22
cdbsJemt: he can also update-manager -d10:22
cdbsnirazio: if you want to use the former, then:10:22
Jemtashesofpain: Good idea :)10:22
JemtThat's how I do it too10:22
cdbspress Alt+F2 and type update-manager -d10:22
cdbsthen click upgrade10:22
cdbsit will download several packages (over 700 MB) and then install them (Installation takes around 1 hour)10:23
cdbsnirazio: another warning, since it ain't that stable ( I am using it ATM)10:23
niraziocdbs: Thankyou :)10:23
cdbsnirazio: you're welcome10:23
twagerAnyone tried a dist-upgrade today ?10:24
niraziocdbs: From where i can get the alternate cd ?10:24
cdbstwager: I did10:24
cdbsnirazio: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/10:24
twagercdbs: Was it ok ?10:24
cdbstwager: yes, I just rebooted10:24
cdbseverything's fine10:24
cdbsinfact, the system's snappier after today's updates10:25
nirazioIs this command right ? gksu `sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade`10:25
twagercdbs: I hve just completed an upgrade but dist-upgrade requires another 26.5 Mb  Any idea why ?10:25
cdbstwager: maybe because in the time between an upgrade and dist-upgrade there were 26 mb of changes10:26
cdbschanges happen very very quickly10:26
twagercdbs: Upgrade tells me No upgrades10:27
cdbstwager: FYI I dist-upgrade always10:27
cdbsI never do upgrade10:27
cdbsI dunno the difference, sorry10:27
twagerAnyway will give it a whirl :-)10:27
niraziocdbs: This is the command right ? gksu sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade10:28
cdbsnirazio: yep10:30
cdbsnirazio: the quotes aren't very important10:30
nirazioOke :)10:30
niraziocdbs: What is the meaning of sh there?10:30
cdbsshell10:30
cdbsin ubuntu, sh is linked to dash, even though bash is used10:31
nirazioOke10:32
twagercdbs: Seems ok...As yet :-)10:36
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yofeltwager: upgrade will not *remove* things, even if new packages have conflicting dependencies (maybe something was replaced with a conflicting package), dist-upgrade will, but there's no guarantee that what it does is what you want, so make sure to read first and then say yes11:15
yofelactually apt-get won't even install new things I think with upgrade to satisfy dependencies without removing stuff, upgrade is really just updating, not installing/removing.11:16
twageryofel: Ta for the info..I have done a dist-upgrade and all is well..Seems a lot faster after the upgrade and the icons ars snappier11:49
yofel:)11:49
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BluesKajHi folks13:29
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PunkoffHi, I can't see any installed applets in 'Add Applet' window (Gnome panel).15:26
PunkoffUmm, anyone?15:32
coz_Punkoff,  ooo15:33
coz_Punkoff,   fresh install?15:33
Punkoffnope, upgrade from 10.1015:36
hifihe's the guy!15:41
Gulfstreamis it safe to update Natty?17:19
hifiif there's nothing on the topic it's relatively safe17:20
Gulfstreamlooks like it might be safe... I am missing everything on the right side of the top panel17:22
Adlai_it's not working for me17:22
Adlai_horrible dependency crap17:22
Adlai_right now I'm trying to figure out how to replace libwebkit with libwebkitgtk17:23
om26erGulfstream, no17:23
Gulfstreamis everything on the far right side of the panel supposed to be gone?17:24
Gulfstream*top panel17:24
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yofelGulfstream: you can get the topic by hand by typing '/topic'17:41
yofelGulfstream: and that depends on the client you're using, quassel shows the topic fine17:42
Gulfstreamyofel: I can see the topic17:43
yofelthen goo, if you can see the warning too17:44
yofel*then good17:44
GulfstreamI was just wanting to know if it was still in effect17:44
yuvipandaIs there a way for me to 'upgrade' from 10.10 to Natty?18:37
penguin42yuvipanda: Yeh, just run update-manager -d  I think should do it18:38
yuvipandapenguin42, woah neat. Thanks! Didn't know -d pulled in alphas18:39
yuvipandapenguin42, it quit after telling me that it can't mark ubuntu-desktop for upgrade.18:52
yuvipandapenguin42, it does list 'upgrading to a pre-release version of ubuntu'  as a possible cause18:52
charlie-tcayuvipanda: might have to wait a couple of days then. Therer are broken packages at this time18:54
yuvipandacharlie-tca, ok18:56
yuvipandacharlie-tca, is there somewhere i can get a nightly of the netbook edition atleast? could test it out on my spare netbook...18:56
charlie-tcahttp://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/current/18:57
charlie-tcaIf that doesn't work for you, use the daily image. I think the netbook and desktop images are the same now under unity18:58
charlie-tca!daily18:58
ubottuDaily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/18:58
illuminarisCan anyone help me troubleshoot wow graphics issue? Ubuntu 11.04, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro, WINE 1.2.119:09
GulfstreamI am having trouble starting applicationg like "Additional Drivers" and "Printing"20:09
mongywhen will the next daily live be, anyone know?20:25
GulfstreamI would think that it would be after the Ayatana API change20:27
mongyyeah thats partly why im asking..  I know of some major changes goin on so im waiting20:34
mongywell, only reason I havent put the latest daily live on my netbook is because it crashes20:34
knittlhm. i got a lot of packages held back20:35
mongyso its either alpha1 or this newer one in x days... ill go for x20:35
knittlto be removed: libindicator1 libunity0 unity-place-applications unity-place-files20:35
knittlwhen trying to update unity20:35
knittlis that okey?20:35
scizzo-knittl: you should wait20:37
knittlscizzo-: alright, then i'll wait :)20:37
scizzo-knittl: since the unity packages are getting ready I believe20:38
knittlthere are also other packages: empathy, lots of indicator stuff, rhythmbox, gimp, compiz20:38
scizzo-knittl: if you check the release notes it says that they have ported it to another libindicator package20:39
knittlbut i can wait, no probs :)20:39
scizzo-knittl: and webkit20:39
scizzo-knittl: check the changelog20:39
knittlchangelog of which package?20:39
scizzo-knittl: gimp, empathy and so on20:40
scizzo-knittl: gimp:  - Change build-depends from libwebkit-dev to libwebkitgtk-dev20:40
knittlokidoki. thx scizzo-20:41
scizzo-knittl: if you run a: apt-get -u dist-upgrade you will se exactly the packages being removed and which are new....you can also see that some of the packages are replacing the old packages.....because of porting....20:42
scizzo-knittl: easy way to see if you remove something you don't want to remove....20:42
knittli didn't knew -u20:42
knittlbut most of the time i use aptitude safe-upgrade to not remove the wrong packages20:42
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yuvipandaif i move to alpha122:47
yuvipandawill there be an 'upgrade path' for me?22:47
yuvipandato further alphas, etc?22:47
penguin42yeh, it should just keep updating22:47
penguin42although remember, it's an alpha - it might completely and horribly break22:48
yuvipandapenguin42, yeah, this is my secondary machine so not an issue22:48
yuvipandaas long as it doen't hobble up my entire media volume... :)22:48
* yuvipanda goes to make sure his code backup works22:48
penguin42nod; alpha software can do anything!22:49
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rwwHrm. Can someone check whether these software do approximately the same thing, so when I'm trying to explain Unity I'm right?:23:53
rww(11.04 ~ 10.10 ~ GNOME 3)   Unity ~ gnome-panel ~ gnome-shell | compiz ~ compiz or metacity ~ mutter23:54
rwwand mutter is metacity with clutter, and clutter is is a toolkit? like GTK+?23:54
penguin4211.04: Still seems to have metacity as an option ('Classic desktop')23:55
penguin42actually, classic I think can also be compiz23:55
rwwindeed. I meant defaults.23:55
rww11.04 with Classic desktop is approximately the same as 10.10, as I understand it.23:55

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