[03:01] <coz_> good day
[03:07] <troy_s> coz_: Greets Coz.
[03:09] <coz_> troy_s,  hey guy
[03:11] <coz_> troy_s,  first time in a while I had a smile when leaving irc on this channel after speaking with brandonb  yesterday
[03:11] <troy_s> coz_: Yes. I'd hope he continues on, and more importantly, returns.
[03:12] <coz_> troy_s,  absolutely...
[03:14] <troy_s> coz_: Trying to get a single bit of fresh blood to come to Libre software after going through education and such is likely a difficult task. One that needs some attention I think...
[03:16] <coz_> troy_s,    I think I agree :)
[09:32] <evilvish> thorwil: hmm, IMO, the flickr thing might also exist in the tasks.. (if we consider taking a photo a task ;p )
[09:35] <evilvish> thorwil: in the sense, what is the difference between the "get involved" and "places" sections?..
[09:36] <thorwil> evilvish: get involved is about communication
[09:37] <evilvish> whaa??
[09:38] <evilvish> right!
[09:38] <evilvish> but that does not make sense! ;p
[09:38] <evilvish> some of that info needs to be in "contact" header or something.
[09:40] <thorwil> makes no sense to me that this wouldn't make sense to you
[09:41] <evilvish> thorwil: what is the first thing that comes to your mind when you hear "get involved" ?
[09:42] <thorwil> evilvish: i expect to read how i can get into contact
[09:42] <evilvish> weird!
[09:43] <thorwil> what do you expect in contrast?
[09:44] <evilvish> well, i would expect "what/how i can get involved" and depending on the project the expectation varies
[09:44] <evilvish> for an artwork, i would expect what i can do..
[09:45] <evilvish> if it was for some charity, i would expect where i could donate or how i could raise awareness
[09:46] <evilvish> while the latter could include steps to contact, it would also include what i could be expected to do..
[09:47] <thorwil> evilvish: but communication is the deciding factor in involvement with a team
[09:47] <evilvish> it depends on how it is woven into context..
[09:47] <evilvish> while that section seems very oddly formatted to me..
[09:48] <thorwil> evilvish: feel encouraged to improve the structure of that page :)
[09:49] <evilvish> thorwil: well, noting that john redid that page.. any changes i do, would be bullying ;p
[09:49] <thorwil> evilvish: great, that's what you clearly excel in ;)
[09:49]  * evilvish fine with seeing less john activity.. and doesnt want to provoke john 2.0 
[09:51] <thorwil> evilvish: don't be a coward. zero is the right amount of influence, so don't even think about him
[09:51] <evilvish> hehe!
[09:54]  * evilvish stares bewildered at doctormo, you are involved in the illustration task and you were confused about "nod from the desktop team" ;p
[09:56] <evilvish> noting that very few people were even aware of the deviant group(aside from the deviant submitters), i guess we totally failed at raising awareness last time..
[09:58] <thorwil> i suspect that years were spend effectively chasing away people that were really interested and there's only a trickle of newcomers
[09:59] <evilvish> yea.. :(
[09:59] <thorwil> most of which seem to have no idea and might require an amount of hand holding that nobody here can offer
[10:00] <thorwil> and then i guess what's left regarding activities doesn't seem worthwhile to many. heck, it doesn't even seem terrible worthwhile to me
[10:01] <evilvish> heh
[10:02] <evilvish> well, like how ubuntu was first "no-name-yet" , maybe we should rename the artwork team to "no-purpose-yet" , maybe that might help finding a purpose;p
[10:03] <thorwil> nah, the right name, currently, is clearly: "just a few wallpapers"
[10:04] <evilvish> lol!
[21:16] <thorwil> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/01/15/backtestground-0-2/