[00:56] <e01> hello
[00:57] <e01> after dist-upgrade my natty, the indicators from panel disapearing
[00:57] <e01> and the appmenu too
[00:59] <e01> also i see that i have new akonadytray and nepomuk backup, whaat are they, and is the indicators will apear again with new update
[04:39] <Takyoji> If I'm reporting a kernel regression bug regarding USB, whereas the steps to recreating the bug is "plug in any USB device", should I answer Yes or No to "Can you reproduce this bug with a specific series of steps"
[04:45] <jmarsden> Takyoji: If every Ubuntu user had a bug whenever they "plug in any USB device", I think we'd all already have heard of this bug? :)  I'd say yes, but in your steps, state what USB device you are actually using for your testing.
[05:09] <jzacsh> hi, how do i file a bug on launchpad? clicking "report a bug" brings me to a wiki page that basically shows me the only way to file a bug is based on a PID -- which doesn't make sense for my case.
[05:14] <jmarsden> jzacsh: Are you running software that is not in a package, and the bug relates to that unpackaged software??  Since all normally-installed software in Ubuntu comes packaged, logically it "makes sense" to provide a package name when reporting a bug.  What case do you have that does not involved any package at all?
[05:15] <jzacsh> jmarsden: what i understood from the wiki, is that gettig to a bug reporting page means running ubuntu-bug $(pidof app)
[05:16] <jmarsden> jzacsh: Only if you have a crashed app involved, I think.  Try   ubuntu-bug name-of-package
[05:17] <jmarsden> For more details, man ubuntu-bug shows all the possible things you can type after "ubuntu-bug" :)
[05:18] <jzacsh> jmarsden: yes, i just did and it seems i couldn'td do something like `ubuntu-bug libedit python mysql php-cli`
[05:19] <jmarsden> Well, pick ONE package and you will be fine :)
[05:20] <jzacsh> jmarsden: apport-bug script isn't going to gather unnecessary meta data about that particular package?
[05:21] <jzacsh> this semes fairly convoluted
[05:21] <jzacsh> s/semes/seems/
[05:21] <jmarsden> Who cares?  It will report its version etc.  It's a response to way to many bugs being filed against nothing in particular and being impractical to triage as a result, I believe.
[05:22] <jmarsden> Knowing which package the software concerned is is pretty fundamental to most good bug reports, isn't it?
[05:23] <jzacsh> jmarsden: agreed
[05:24] <jmarsden> So this is a way to "force" users to specify a package, that's all.  If it also allows automated gathering of info that will help people reproduce and fix the bug, at least for some common classes of bug, so much the better.
[05:25] <jzacsh> jmarsden: i think "force" is a little over the top. i just watched this sh script crash
[05:26] <jzacsh> rightfully so, because i picked a random package  (python) -- wich tried to make intelligent decisions on my behalf (rightfully so) and picked python-defaults
[05:26] <jzacsh> so if i submitted a bug, the breadcrum in launchpad would be "python packages"
[05:27] <jzacsh> which, i think is convoluted. i understnad the need for this interface. but i don't think that there should be such a black and white you _MUST_ do it this way, bug reporting system.
[05:28] <jmarsden> jzacsh: If you can come up with a better way to balance the need of those working on Ubuntu bugs to be able to actually work on them, and the needs of users, submit it as a blueprint on LP and see what happens :)
[05:28] <jzacsh> I'm 99.99% certain it will turn out a bug in launchpad, with me linking back to the thread, and causing people to readback a bunch of user's discussing how to figure out the the package in question
[05:29] <jzacsh> jmarsden: thanks for the help. maybe someone else will submit a blueprint, this single bug i'm trying to contribute help for is turning out complicated enough just to submit for tonight :)
[05:29] <jmarsden> By now you've spent more time discussing this than it would have taken to file a bug report... do you have a bug number for it yet?
[05:30] <jzacsh> jmarsden: i refuse to file a bug under python packages, so no. if you'd like i cna come back and tell you the ubuntu forum thread number.
[05:31] <jmarsden> Never mind.  I don't generally spend time in the forums :)  I'm not in any way anything official regarding Ubuntu, I just wanted to see what the bug really was at the end of all this discussion :)
[05:31] <jzacsh> jmarsden: i also don't spend time in the forums, which is why i'm also upset, i'll have to watch this time wasted in there
[05:32] <jmarsden> Ok... if you want to find a bug against ubuntu-bug for being hard to use, I suppose you can do that too :)
[05:33] <jzacsh> jmarsden: great idea! thank you for the suggestion
[05:33] <jmarsden> I think it's been done before, but you're welcome.
[08:04] <JDot> hi
[08:13] <JDot> hi im trying to upgrade to ubuntu 10.10and i seens like it is hung up at replacing. config,file/etc/default /grub eith new version
[08:32] <wolfpack> what should be done when bugs are reported in languages other than English ?
[09:26] <evilvish> wolfpack: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2010-December/002948.html
[09:29] <wolfpack> thanks evilvish
[09:29] <evilvish> np..
[09:32] <nisshh> evilvish, eh, is it some kind of joke that on 10.10, the About Ubuntu thing tells me im using 11.04? :)
[09:32] <evilvish> nisshh: nah.. i guess you are just so much more special ;)
[09:33] <nisshh> hehe
[09:33]  * evilvish checks if he is special too! 
[09:33] <nisshh> heh
[09:34] <evilvish> \o/ me too!!
[09:35] <nisshh> evilvish, yeah, looks like someone overlooked something back at release time :)
[09:37] <evilvish> nisshh: i think it was something about a 'help' menu or something that was not displayed properly.. it was showing some garbled unicode symbols , that fix first landed in Natty iirc, and got backported where someone overlooked
[09:38] <nisshh> haha
[09:38] <nisshh> very smooth
[09:38] <nisshh> nice work backporting a fix that was version specific :)
[09:56] <AbhiJit> hi
[09:56] <AbhiJit> this bus is there since more than one year
[09:56] <AbhiJit> and nothing has done for it. it affects me too. i can confirm it.
[09:56] <AbhiJit> anyone can please mark its importance and sent it upstream please?
[09:56] <AbhiJit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unhide/+bug/376891
[09:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 376891 in unhide (Ubuntu) ""unhide brute" segmentation fault (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,New]
 hi
 this bus is there since more than one year
 and nothing has done for it. it affects me too. i can confirm it.
 anyone can please mark its importance and sent it upstream please?
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unhide/+bug/376891
[09:58] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 376891 in unhide (Ubuntu) ""unhide brute" segmentation fault (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,New]
[10:23] <AbhiJit> ??
[10:23] <AbhiJit> anyone there?
[10:24] <dreewill> AbhiJit: just ask a question
 hi
 this bus is there since more than one year
 and nothing has done for it. it affects me too. i can confirm it.
 anyone can please mark its importance and sent it upstream please?
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unhide/+bug/376891
[10:25] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 376891 in unhide (Ubuntu) ""unhide brute" segmentation fault (affects: 3) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,New]
[10:25] <AbhiJit> dreewill, ^^^
[11:27] <dreewill> i want to look for crashes of background processes. are ther other log files than /var/log/syslog where i can see crashes?
[11:28] <yofel> if it's a crash in the sense of a segmentation fault, there should be a message in the kernel log, and apport should catch it if it's enabled
[11:31] <dreewill> yofel: thx
[15:33] <hjd> hi. I just marked a duplicate of bug 145600. Beyond commenting it is still present in Natty, should I add this comment as well https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#A bug that should be handled upstream ?
[15:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 145600 in gnome-art (Ubuntu) "gnome-art 0.2-6 the "Close" button in Help-> About is not working (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 2)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145600
[15:47] <ElPasmo> Hi all, I think bug 693385 is ready to be set to Triaged. Can someone do it for me?
[15:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 693385 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "empathy shows offline contacts when I ask it not to and I expand a group with the space key (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/693385
[18:36] <daltenty> Hi. Could someone please mark Bug #695916 as wishlist?
[18:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 695916 in empathy (Ubuntu) "empathy won't allow yahoo video chat (affects: 1) (heat: 223)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/695916
[18:51] <bcurtiswx> daltenty, done
[18:57] <daltenty> bcurtiswx: Thanks