[00:31] <Seeker`> o/
[00:50] <Azelphur> there's a tool in the repo that automatically installs the latest version of the ati or nvidia driver
[00:50] <Azelphur> what's it called again?
[01:00] <awilkins> Bugger. Just broke a remote server. Stupid updates to packages
[01:00] <awilkins> Newer version of OpenLDAP breaks their NAS box logins so *poof* goes your /home folders
[01:01] <awilkins> Silly me for wanting to update for security reasons *pah*
[01:01] <awilkins> And the older version it depends on isn't available from the local repo either... grrrrr stupid server hosting company.
[01:01] <exobuzz> :(
[01:02]  * awilkins plans to nuke the thing from orbit with a re-image in the morning... good job it isn't critical or under heavy use
[01:02] <exobuzz> still horrible feeling though when its remote and your stuck
[01:02] <awilkins> Well, yes. Wouldn't be great if it was sat under my desk to be honest.
[01:03] <awilkins> Just makes me distrust the ability of the hosting company to provide an infrastructure that doesn't break.,
[01:04] <awilkins> You can't win - you can't get up-to-date versions of useful software (they are still on svn 1.4 - and this is CollabNet hosting, the owners of SVN!!!)
[01:04] <awilkins> And if you take the updates that ARE available, your home folder vanishes....
[01:04] <awilkins> Bah. Beddybyes time.
[01:24] <guest9187> Problem, The volume Filesystem root has only 895MB disc space remaining?
[01:25] <Azelphur> Solution, stop downloading pron
[01:27] <exobuzz> hehe
[01:27] <Azelphur> :D
[01:27] <Azelphur> I really need to get a new headset, but I can't settle on anything :(
[01:28] <exobuzz> guest9187, run baobab
[01:28] <exobuzz> see where your space is used
[01:31] <guest9187> exobuzz: baobab ??
[01:32] <exobuzz> http://www.marzocca.net/linux/baobab/
[01:33] <exobuzz> comes with gnome.
[01:33] <exobuzz> might be under "disk usage analyzer"
[01:37] <hamitron> hmmm
[01:37] <hamitron> thought it seemed quiet in here, needed to scroll down ;)
[01:39] <exobuzz> heh
[01:39] <gord> i should really start bringing vga cables to hotels with me, so i can watch movies from laptop at night
[03:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Joojoo, once more - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/132810.html
[04:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] In other news - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/132940.html
[06:22] <HazRPG> hi guys, just wondering about the Make Startup Disk utility... the slider for picking the documents and settings - is the value you put in there also allow for installing apps in or is it just literally how much /home you want to give it?
[06:24] <HazRPG> would I be right in thinking this?
[07:59] <brianb_> is there any issues with 10.04 and ssd hared drive?
[08:58] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:18] <exobuzz> anyone here got the game braid (part of humble indie bundle #2) ?
[09:23] <exobuzz> just wondering the performance on other graphics cards for comparison
[10:07] <brianb_> there maybe a bug possibly on ubuntu 10.04 and possible 10.10 using grub2 which affects installing intel ssd hard drives
[10:13] <brianb_> in the live mode switch of apic, noapic, nolapic to boot 10.04 into live mode and carrying out an instal to the ssd hard disk after the instal process and reboot the following error msg will appear after a few minuites /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxx - does not exist dropping to a shell - the xxxxxx is the uuid number
[10:13] <brianb_> followed by ( initramfs) udevd[76]: worker [92] unexpectedly returned with status 0x0100
[10:15] <brianb_> even changing options in the bios makes no difference - there is no problem installing Mandriva 2010.2 which using grub1
[10:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all
[10:58] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: howdy
[10:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> How's tricks czajkowski?
[11:00] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: grand just here at surrey lug meet up
[11:48] <livingdaylight> good morning
[11:48] <popey> lo
[11:51] <czajkowski> If Ubuntu UK want to have a meet up /talk/demo we can use this office over the weekend
[11:52] <daubers> Morning
[11:53]  * daubers noms a yoghurt to sooth his throat
[11:54] <dutchie> why does it need soothing?
[11:54] <livingdaylight> question: used to boot up laptop and wireless would just automatically come 'on' However, now I have to connect to it everytime. Is there a way of automating this as previously?
[11:54] <dutchie> disease?
[11:54] <popey> yes livingdaylight
[11:54] <livingdaylight> popey, great news! :p
[11:54] <popey> livingdaylight: network manager has an 'edit connections' option and you can tick the 'connect automatically' tickbox
[11:54] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[11:55] <daubers> dutchie: Got a swollen throat :( having no tonsils means this happens relativley frequently
[11:55]  * dutchie has no tonsils either \o/
[11:55] <popey> bigcalm: graze box here :)
[11:55] <livingdaylight> popey, that's great to know, muchas gracias
[11:55] <bigcalm> popey: everything is back to normal :)
[11:56] <popey> ya
[11:56] <daubers> might sit and watch Thunderbirds while doing some painting shortly
[12:17] <czajkowski> where wil I find a natty download for laptop ?
[12:17] <czajkowski> last one I got is corrupt :(
[12:17] <czajkowski> and don't have the link
[12:18] <kaushal> Hi
[12:18] <ali1234> alpha1 or daily? desktop image?
[12:18] <kaushal> How do i drop all user schemas related to Enterprise Edition features, such as the MDSYS account (used with Oracle Spatial).
[12:18] <czajkowski> Alpha1
[12:18] <kaushal> http://www.pubbs.net/200907/oracle/76327-downgrading-to-standard-edition.html
[12:19] <ali1234> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/alpha-1/
[12:35] <brobostigon> afternoonings all,
[12:52] <brobostigon> gnome-shell fixed, the debian experimental package maintainers hve straightend it out.:)
[13:28] <ocean__>  hi guys, i have got a hp laptop with switchable graphic card with ati and intel. the belos post says that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics it can used with the ubuntu 10.10 which i have installed already. can any one help me with the help of the above guide how to set it up. i have switcheroo on my laptop installed already
[13:28] <ocean__>  thanks
[13:35] <drt27272> Hi, i have a binary file which ubuntu says doesnt exist when i try to execute, i have no idea what is wrong   http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/554365/
[14:05] <ocean__> hi guys. can any one exaplain me how to to do the steps 3 and 4 of this post http://asusm51ta-with-linux.blogspot.com/
[14:05] <issyl0> /5/7
[14:08] <ocean__> issyl0, can u help pls
[14:09] <brobostigon> ocean__: you need to copy they the script into a text filewith .h extention,and make said scriptexecutable
[14:10] <brobostigon> .sh *
[14:10] <ocean__> brobostigon, can i save the file in the home folder then cd and make it excecutable?
[14:11] <brobostigon> ocean__: yes, make it executable with "chmod +x *.sh"
[14:12] <ocean__> brobostigon, can i ask u few more question about this se graphics if u know.
[14:12] <brobostigon> ocean__: i know very little about graphics, i am not the man to ask.
[14:13] <ocean__> brobostigon, thanks for your help. if i keep these two sh in home folder and make it executable are they going to be loaded on boot up?
[14:14] <brobostigon> ocean__: no,
[14:14] <kaushal> Hi
[14:14] <kaushal> Anyone here with Oracle DB experience
[14:14] <ocean__> brobostigon, so what is that script going to do?
[14:15] <issyl0> ocean__: sorry, I can't.
[14:15] <AlanBell> o/ issyl0
[14:15] <brobostigon> ocean__: i dont understand graphics, so i dont know. however cron is you best option to have something start on boot.
[14:15] <issyl0> That was IRC lag making my window changes screw up.
[14:15] <issyl0> AlanBell: hey :)
[14:15] <AlanBell> are you at Rivermead?
[14:17] <czajkowski> yup
[14:17] <czajkowski> many many geeks here
[14:17] <kaushal> Anything special at Rivermead ?
[14:18] <AlanBell> surrey lug meeting
[14:18] <kaushal> oh ok
[14:23] <kaushal> Any clue to my query ?
[14:23] <AlanBell> Oracle isn't in the repos!
[14:24] <kaushal> yes
[14:30] <Myrtti> back to learning qt...
[14:30] <Myrtti> whee.
[14:34] <czajkowski> :)
[14:42] <EnergySpirit> hi the process "grub-probe" and "grub-pc.postinst" are frozen and they cannot be closed. help me, i need to resinstall grub or i wont be able to use this pc again!
[14:53] <gord> guess i should pack, going home in a few hours :)
[14:57] <czajkowski> gord: had a nice time
[15:03] <gord> czajkowski, yeah, got a lot done, ubuntu is such an exciting thing to be involved with at the moment
[15:04] <czajkowski> :)
[15:04] <czajkowski> sounds good
[15:04] <czajkowski> waiting on iso to download to install
[15:08] <czajkowski> gord: susprised you stayed past friday night
[15:09] <root5> pussy
[15:12] <root5> pussy
[15:13] <root5> hello?
[15:13] <jpds> You should stop drinking that stuff.
[15:13] <root5> pussy
[15:13] <brobostigon> !language
[15:13]  * Myrtti raises an eyebrow
[15:14] <jpds> \o/
[15:14] <czajkowski> move along here
[15:14] <jpds> ABUSE OF PWAR.
[15:14] <Myrtti> don't get me started
[15:14] <czajkowski> well either that or watch the spam, take your pick
[15:15] <czajkowski> Myrtti: sorry
[15:15] <bigcalm> Afternoon kids
[15:15] <brobostigon> inappropriate spam.
[15:15] <Myrtti> czajkowski: np, I'm waiting for him to return so I can join the fun
[15:15] <czajkowski> Myrtti: ah ok thought it was because I oped up
[15:16] <Myrtti> czajkowski: oh no, I just might have kicked jpds as collateral ;-)
[15:16] <Myrtti> in other news, I was looking at prices of some knitting needles and I literally cried.
[15:16] <czajkowski> Myrtti: ahh ok, sorry for the confusion
[15:16] <Myrtti> $55 for 5 doublepointed ones... ooofff.
[15:18] <Myrtti> I wonder would today be a sushi day
[15:18] <jpds> Pub meal day for us.
[15:19] <brobostigon> homemade  curry night here.
[15:22] <gord> airplane food day :(
[15:22] <AlanBell> £10 M&S meal for two
[15:22] <livingdaylight> have I missed the fun?
[15:22] <AlanBell> no kids \o/
[15:23] <gord> \o/
[15:23]  * dutchie is meeting his old man in the turf tonight 
[15:23]  * dutchie ♥ the turf
[15:24] <gord> really love that you can crank the audio volume up past 100% in ubuntu, makes these tiny laptop speakers much more useful
[15:26] <dutchie> "ubuntu goes to 11"
[15:27] <gord> almost everything geeky that used to go to 10 goes to 11 these days ;)
[15:27] <AlanBell> I like bbc iplayer that goes to 11
[15:27] <bigcalm> Re-watched This is Spinal Tap with GF last night (her 1st viewing)
[15:28] <bigcalm> Now she understands the importance of things going to 11
[15:28] <czajkowski> hmm install is really..........not installing
[15:30] <czajkowski> hmmm nada is happening
[15:37] <gord> in my highly technical opinion, it seems like that is the opposite of what you want to happen
[15:38] <czajkowski> indeed
[15:38] <czajkowski> and not I cant quit it
[15:38] <Darael> czajkowski: AND NOT "I can't quit it"?  Surely that would imply you can?
[15:39] <czajkowski> now
[15:40] <suprengr> boo!
[15:40] <suprengr> chalcedony: it's probably not an error - sounds like it's just gone to emulation - emulating current fiscal policy on how much of your hard earned beer tokens you are curerently allowed to keep... nada
[15:40] <suprengr> czajkowski: it's probably not an error - sounds like it's just gone to emulation - emulating current fiscal policy on how much of your hard earned beer tokens you are curerently allowed to keep
[15:41] <suprengr> [sorry chalcedony[not enough tab presses]
[15:41] <dutchie> cz<tab> surely
[15:42]  * dutchie braces for impact
[15:43] <suprengr> dutchie:  don't rub it in... it was embarrassing enough :D [see, low impact... no comeback]
[15:43]  * brobostigon arms the hydrogen fusion bomb.
[15:45]  * suprengr pulls blanket of embarrassment over head; growls at it & pretends nowt happened
[15:45] <dutchie> i was actually worried about the impact from cz<tab>
[15:45] <dutchie> she's nearer now
[15:45]  * suprengr runs faster than a speeding whatsit!
[15:46]  * czajkowski peers at suprengr 
[15:46] <czajkowski> dutchie: oi oi
[15:47]  * suprengr cowls
[15:49] <gord> no running!
[15:49] <popey> Afternoon slackers
[15:49]  * czajkowski peers at popey 
[15:49] <gord> g'morfernoon
[15:50] <Myrtti> wohoo expense claim!
[15:52] <jpds> popey: No, we use Ubuntu.
[15:54] <Myrtti> ♥ new MasterCard - making expense claims is so much easier now
[15:54] <czajkowski> Myrtti: oh how so ?
[15:56] <Myrtti> it's attached to my bank account directly, so when I do expense claims I don't have to do magic tricks with post-it notes and scanner to cover other purchases, instead I can just go to my online bank, bring up the specific purchase and print a pdf out of that
[15:57] <czajkowski> ahh handy
[15:59] <gord> i really like the global menu integration in firefox :) you realy realize how little you actually use menus
[16:05] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/January%202011/IMG_20110115_160227.jpg
[16:05] <Azelphur> I clearly need more USB ports >.<
[16:06]  * popey spots the HTC usb cable in the middle
[16:06] <Azelphur> popey: and maybe the T-Mobile one right next to it? :P
[16:07] <Azelphur> got my HTC Desire Z and the T-Mobile G1 I gave my brother plugged in atm
[16:07] <Azelphur> android \o/
[16:09] <gord> maybe you just need less gadgets?
[16:10] <Azelphur> that's crazy talk.
[16:12] <Myrtti> ihhihihii ♥ http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/5356863413/
[16:12] <czajkowski> Myrtti: pretty
[16:12] <Azelphur> rofl
[16:12] <Azelphur> if A&L gave me printed debit cards, It'd so have the Ubuntu logo going on it.
[16:15] <Myrtti> I'm not that geeky anymore
[16:18]  * suprengr is impressed: reeed ahl abaht it!: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554397/ 
[16:30] <dutchie> hmm, is there a way to set up postfix so it relays mail to multiple different servers? or is there a better tool for the job?
[16:31] <czajkowski> hmmmm
[16:34] <root8> what will happen if i post my root passwd here
[16:34] <bigcalm> Why would you do that?
[16:34] <brobostigon> unadvisable.
[16:34] <root8> cuz im bored i just wanna see what happens
[16:35] <nucc1> root8, you seem to be aware of the consequences.
[16:35] <brobostigon> unaware*
[16:35] <nucc1> just the password is useless.
[16:35] <nucc1> the password and the IP address
[16:35] <nucc1> yes, that is dangerous.
[16:35] <brobostigon>  /whois root8
[16:35] <root8> u have my ip, its in /whois
[16:35] <nucc1> not necessarily true.
[16:36] <bigcalm> root8:
[16:36] <bigcalm> root8: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554413/
[16:36] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[16:36] <root8> bigcalm: password
[16:37] <root8> go ape sh**
[16:37] <root8> but please dont get me banned from freenode
[16:37] <Myrtti> ah right, this is the fool from earlier
[16:37] <bigcalm> root8: it doesn't interest me to do so
[16:37] <nucc1> lol.
[16:37] <brobostigon> yes Myrtti
[16:37] <bigcalm> root8: I think you are a troll. I claim my £5
[16:37] <root8> my passwd was p*ssy but i got kicked :(
[16:38] <jpds> czajkowski: ↑
[16:38] <nucc1> LOL
[16:38] <brobostigon> root8: for using bad language, yes.
[16:38] <nucc1> no please
[16:38] <czajkowski> Myrtti: thanks
[16:38] <Myrtti> your turn
[16:38] <nucc1> spare the kid
[16:38] <root8> :( i dont mean to troll pls dont kick
[16:39]  * brobostigon watches czajkowski and Myrtti play around, :)
[16:39] <bigcalm> root8: what if the 1st action someone were to do was rm -rf /
[16:39] <bigcalm> ?
[16:39] <nucc1> root8, if you're bored, go and wash the dishes in your kitchen.
[16:39] <Myrtti> learn a new skill, knitting is nice and non-violent
[16:39] <Myrtti> also productive
[16:39] <Pendulum> so is cross-stitch
[16:39] <brobostigon> nice warm clothes, :)
[16:40] <root8> bigcalm: did u log in ?  passwd is password
[16:40] <nucc1> Pendulum, for a second there, i thought it was the Drum and Bass group :p
[16:40] <DJones> Pendulum: Yeah, but cross stitch is hard on the eye's
[16:40]  * bigcalm returns to his coding
[16:40] <Pendulum> DJones: I find it a lot harder on my hands than my eyes. But my hands also refuse to knit so I'm a little limited by that
[16:40] <Myrtti> if you catch the knitting bug, I heartily recommend learning the continental method instead of English
[16:40]  * brobostigon returns to watching star wars,
[16:41] <Pendulum> brobostigon: ooh. thanks for the suggestion. I was looking for something mindless
[16:41] <Myrtti> ♥ defense by change of topic
[16:41] <brobostigon> Pendulum: :)
[16:41] <Pendulum> Myrtti: even better is fiber-geeks :)
[16:42]  * brobostigon should also ideally get curry stuff ready, but cant be bothered yet.
[16:44] <dutchie> aha, msmtp seems to do the job
[16:55] <selinuxium> Afternoon all!    o/
[16:57] <Myrtti> http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/ryanair-boarding-pass-penalty-illegal-spanish-court-rules-2011-01/
[17:02] <AlanBell> Myrtti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAg0lUYHHFc
[17:39]  * AlanBell installs openshot
[17:39]  * directhex is writing his FOSDEM talk
[17:39] <Myrtti> openshot is looooovely
[17:39]  * AlanBell quite liked directhex's blog post
[17:40] <directhex> AlanBell, thanks! and this time, it wasn't really directed at you or TheOpenSourcerer, since you're not remotely that far down the lunatic fringe :p
[17:41] <AlanBell> it was good stuff, agree with all of it
[17:41] <AlanBell> I am still a bit meh about mono
[17:41] <Azelphur> I'm quite liking my switch to 3 :D
[17:41] <directhex> AlanBell, and that's fine, as long as you don't claim it's not Free Software!
[17:41] <AlanBell> it totally is Free software
[17:42] <Azelphur> compared to the evil annoyingness of t-mobile :p
[17:51] <directhex> Azelphur, still stuck on a contract until the summer
[17:52] <Azelphur> directhex: I think your safe for now any way since they backtracked on their limiting plans
[17:52] <Azelphur> did you hear about the 500MB thing?
[17:53] <directhex> Azelphur, i heard.
[17:53] <Azelphur> I jumped ship the second I read it :p
[18:00] <AlanBell> what is a good way to record from a webcam?
[18:00] <directhex> can't cheese do it?
[18:00] <brobostigon> AlanBell: vlc
[18:00] <AlanBell> frame rate is rubbish from cheese when recording
[18:08] <AlanBell> openshot looks rather good
[18:14] <Azelphur> hmm, Ubuntu planet clearly needs more Jordi Mallach
[18:15] <directhex> Azelphur, whyso?
[18:15] <Azelphur> last 10 articles all in a row are from him xD
[18:18] <directhex> i guess he upgraded his blog software, and it reset the date stamp on all his posts
[18:18] <Azelphur> hehe, something like that :)
[18:19] <Azelphur> I just had a funny idea, I should find a cheap mobile ISP with a nasty fair usage policy and troll them.
[18:20] <Azelphur> every rule they set I could just continually find ways around it
[18:20] <Azelphur> I know, I'm evil. But it'd be funny :D
[18:21] <ali1234> how so?
[18:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: just continually do everything I can to drain as much bandwith as possible
[18:25] <ali1234> they will just rate limit you
[18:25] <Azelphur> and every time they impose a rule on me, route around the rule
[18:25] <Azelphur> even if they do rate limit you can still waste loooads of bandwith
[18:26]  * hamitron curses the term rate limit
[18:26] <hamitron> ;/
[18:26] <Azelphur> hamitron: I'm talking about taking up a contract with an ISP purely to troll them about their unlimited fair usage policy
[18:26] <Azelphur> :P
[18:26] <hamitron> :)
[18:27] <hamitron> don't most state the amount of data now?
[18:27] <Azelphur> ali1234: most rate limit to 128k, on 128k you can still do 300GB a month :D
[18:27]  * hamitron is limited to 128k now
[18:27] <hamitron> :/
[18:27] <Azelphur> hamitron: some do, some don't
[18:28] <Azelphur> I could open a new contract with T-Mobile when their 500MB cap comes into place
[18:28] <Azelphur> and do it to them
[18:28] <Azelphur> they have unlimited fair usage 500MB :D
[18:28] <hamitron> :)
[18:28] <ali1234> they don't care you know...
[18:28] <ali1234> they just rate limit you
[18:29] <hamitron> if you continue to abuse bandwidth and be rate limited... do they ban you eventually?
[18:29] <ali1234> dunno
[18:29] <Azelphur> don't you usually get phone calls if you stick 300GB through a cheap £10 mobile internet?
[18:29] <Azelphur> yea that's what I'm thinking :p
[18:29] <hamitron> my 30 day rolling download has been 64Gb of 60Gb for a week now :/
[18:29] <ali1234> you won;t be downloading 300GB at 5kbit
[18:30] <Azelphur> I can imagine them calling to tell me I use more bandwith than 99.9% of their customers and me saying "cool" :P
[18:30] <Azelphur> ali1234: reckon they would limit it that far?
[18:30] <hamitron> :D
[18:30] <ali1234> yes
[18:30] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:30] <hamitron> 1/10th of dialup?
[18:30] <Azelphur> would be funny even to see if I could push it that far
[18:31] <ali1234> if you are lucky they might "only" limit you to 19.2kbit
[18:31] <ali1234> basically they switch off 3G on your account, from what i can tell
[18:31] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:31] <ali1234> so you get basic GPRS speed
[18:31] <ali1234> which is almost nothing... worse than dialup
[18:31] <Azelphur> nah they don't do that, they limit your 3g connection to 2g speeds
[18:32] <Azelphur> it'd be bad for them technically if they locked you to 2g carriers
[18:32] <Azelphur> because it uses more resources
[18:32] <Azelphur> at least what I heard in #android :p
[18:32] <hamitron> is there any need for so much data transfer "on the move"?
[18:32] <hamitron> ;/
[18:32] <Azelphur> hamitron: tethering
[18:33] <hamitron> but why not just use wifi at home?
[18:34] <Azelphur> hamitron: wifi isn't always available
[18:34] <hamitron> hmmm, suppose
[18:35] <hamitron> do most phones allow you to use wifi hotspots?
[18:35] <Azelphur> yea
[18:35] <hamitron> cool
[18:35] <hamitron> I sold my nokia 5230
[18:35] <hamitron> as it has no wifi
[18:36] <hamitron> holding fire to see what the PSP2 / PSP Phone is like, before I decide what I may get
[18:38] <hamitron> all your fault Azelphur
[18:38] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:38] <Azelphur> hamitron: have you seen what my phone can do in terms of games?
[18:38] <hamitron> if I hadn't listened to you, I'd not bother getting a phone as a toy
[18:38] <hamitron> no...
[18:38] <Azelphur> xD
[18:38] <Azelphur> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6_Nur_3JJw
[18:39] <hamitron> dude
[18:39] <hamitron> :/
[18:39] <hamitron> youtube on 128k....
[18:39] <hamitron> runs psx games?
[18:39] <Azelphur> hamitron: overclocked from 800mhz to 1.5ghz, running playstation emulator at full speed no problem
[18:39] <Azelphur> :)
[18:39] <hamitron> :D
[18:40] <hamitron> 800mhz is not fast enough for the emu?
[18:41] <Azelphur> it doesn't quite run at full speed at 800, but it does run smooth and playable
[18:42] <hamitron> I'd worry about shortening the life of my phone
[18:42] <Azelphur> hamitron: it doesn't get any hotter than when you have it on charge
[18:42] <Azelphur> it gets way hotter on charge vs overclocked gaming
[18:42] <hamitron> I assume that is the battery?
[18:43] <hamitron> as I can't see charging using a lot of cpu
[18:43] <Azelphur> yea
[18:43] <hamitron> and the cpu doesn't get hot when nearly double the clock?
[18:43] <Azelphur> there are no thermal sensors
[18:43] <hamitron> :|
[18:43] <Azelphur> but the case doesn't get hot
[18:44] <Azelphur> case is hotter charging vs overclocked gaming
[18:44] <hamitron> guess I am just a big worrier :)
[18:44] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:45] <hamitron> I am hoping sony lock their new handheld down so much I am put off from getting one
[18:45] <hamitron> then I can save that money and get a new pc
[18:47] <Azelphur> everything gets unlocked :P
[18:47] <Darael> ...eventually.
[18:48] <hamitron> I have my PSP slim unlocked
[18:48] <hamitron> but it is the hassle and principle
[18:48] <hamitron> I'd never risk breaking an expensive device...
[18:49] <hamitron> and I just cba with companies trying to restrict me in what I do
[18:49] <hamitron> if they are making life hard work, they are not on my side and their device is not "helpful"
[18:50]  * hamitron takes a breath
[18:55] <hamitron> bbl, food
[19:57] <diplo> evening
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> \o
[20:07] <diplo> Just ordered a chinese \o/
[20:08] <hamitron> :)
[20:08] <diplo> Soooo hungry, decorating all day
[20:08] <hamitron> I had pizza and battered chips
[20:09] <jgjones> Just wondering if anyone have a WP7 phone? Or got to play with one?
[20:09]  * MartijnVdS strokes his Nexus One
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> my preciousss
[20:09] <jgjones> Heh...I love my Nexus One too :)
[20:09] <hamitron> reckon it will drop in price?
[20:10] <hamitron> :/
[20:10] <jgjones> WP7 or Nexus One?
[20:10] <hamitron> or something similar will
[20:10] <hamitron> the One
[20:10] <hamitron> :)
[20:10] <jgjones> Yeah price of dropped
[20:10] <jgjones> I was willing to sell mine for only £1000. I'm now willing to sell it for the bargain price of £999.98
[20:11] <hamitron> :|
[20:11] <jgjones> Get the HTC Desire
[20:11]  * MartijnVdS watches Top Gear
[20:11] <hamitron> I think £50 is my budget atm
[20:11] <jgjones> Hardware-wise it's the same as the Nexus One. The only difference is that they look different, the N1 have a trackball, Desire have a sensor, N1 have a "noise-cancellation" mic but that's it.
[20:11] <diplo> MartijnVdS: Not on till next week?
[20:12] <hamitron> plus will wait see what PSP Phone is going to be
[20:12] <jgjones> hamitron, I assume a pay as you go phone?
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> diplo: BBC Three
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> diplo: (rerun)
[20:12] <diplo> :)
[20:12] <hamitron> jgjones: yes
[20:13] <jgjones> hamitron, I did have a HTC Magic available for free to anyone but that have been given away now sorry, too late :)
[20:13] <jgjones> Not that great mind you, it's a handicapped Vodafone version.
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> Magic has 2.2.1 officially from Vodafone now
[20:13] <MartijnVdS> jgjones: it got an upgrade last month
[20:14] <hamitron> I'm not even sure if I want Android :/
[20:14] <jgjones> Heh - I upgraded that HTC Magic to Cyanogenmod the day before that upgrade was announced
[20:14] <jgjones> But when I say handicapped - I meant that it's the Vodafone version with half the RAM (256Mb) instead of the usual 512Mb.
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> sure
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> but it has a slow CPU as well
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> compared to my Nexus
[20:15] <jgjones> but runs fine - just slapped on Zeam Launcher as the home screen and it's reasonable.
[20:15] <jgjones> yeah about 600Mhz I think?
[20:15] <jgjones> hamitron, What sort of phone you want?
[20:15] <hamitron> I dunno
[20:16] <hamitron> :/
[20:16] <jgjones> well depend on how you want to use it I guess.
[20:16] <jgjones> If just calling with some texting then any basic phone will do.
[20:16] <hamitron> if a PSP took a sim card, that would do me
[20:16] <jgjones> MartijnVdS, you run stock Android on your N1?
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> jgjones: yes
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> waiting for 2.3 :)
[20:17] <jgjones> yeah...not yet out for N1.
[20:17] <jgjones> Only bummer with N1 is storage.
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> why>
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> I have 75M free
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> (internal)
[20:17] <hamitron> the nokia n810 seems nice....
[20:18] <jgjones> 18Mb for me :)
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> jgjones: remove some unused apps ;)
[20:18] <jgjones> and that's with Cyanogenmod's force move some apps to SD (for those that don't support it)
[20:18] <jgjones> that's the problem....I actually use them all.
[20:18] <hamitron> greedy :)
[20:18] <diplo> hamitron: n810 is old now
[20:19] <hamitron> diplo: something like that, but new would be good
[20:19] <diplo> It's got like a 400mhz proc
[20:19] <jgjones> One day - I will force myself to remove apps :)
[20:19] <hamitron> the pc I am on only has a 500MHz cpu :/
[20:19] <jgjones> But it does make Nexus S look tempting - no internal space worries.
[20:19] <hamitron> S?
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: http://www.google.com/nexus/
[20:20] <jgjones> Latest Google phone - successor to Nexus One - called Nexus S, made by Samsung.
[20:20] <jgjones> It's so awesome that it reboots when you are in middle of a call ;-)
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> :)
[20:20] <hamitron> nice
[20:20] <diplo> Also get no expandable storage
[20:21] <diplo> Was going to get on... not sure now
[20:21] <diplo> But it does have a lot on board
[20:21] <jgjones> yeah. I only have a 8GB SD card in my Nexus one and it's only 35% full.
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> if only my Nexus One understood 802.11n @ 5GHz
[20:21] <hamitron> geez, the nexus webpage is huge :/
[20:22] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Hmm that's an interesting statement - I've got problems on a laptop not undertstanding that - it seems a rare thing to work!
[20:22] <jgjones> so Nexus S with 16GB is fine for me. Only thing stopping me is cost and that it's not that much of a upgrade from a Nexus One which is just bloody fantastic.
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: my laptop is the only thing that _does_ understand it
[20:22] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I'm considering getting a new access point that's dual-band (a/b/g/2xn all at the same time)
[20:22] <hamitron> I reckon it would be cool to have an Eee PC that takes a sim card, and when in standby acts like a phone
[20:22] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: It took me to understand why work wifi only worked some of the time; it was only working on the APs that was 2.4
[20:23] <jgjones> I got an Intel wifi module and put it into my laptop - it seem to work with 5Ghz.
[20:23] <ali1234> hamitron: it's a pity that £g data cards can't support a voice codec, other wise that would be mostly possible
[20:23] <ali1234> i mean 3G
[20:23] <hamitron> yeh :/
[20:23] <ali1234> you could always get one of those new motorola things though
[20:23] <jgjones> ali1234, why not just get a 3G and then just use Skype or GoogleTalk to chat thru?
[20:24] <hamitron> so long as the Eee didn't have side talking like the ngage...
[20:24] <hamitron> 7" netbook held sideways upto your ear would look insane
[20:24] <jgjones> So...to use an Eee PC as a phone, you'll hold it up to your ear?
[20:25] <ali1234> well yeah obviously you would use bluetooth headset
[20:25] <penguin42> hamitron: Well that depends how good you are at typing with your nose
[20:25] <hamitron> damn, forgot my nose is too fat ;)
[20:26] <hamitron> hmmm
[20:26] <hamitron> I wouldn't mind a phone that required bluetooth headset tbh
[20:26] <hamitron> 10" screen
[20:27] <hamitron> technically not a phone though... before someone points it out
[20:27] <hamitron> ;/
[20:27] <ali1234> just get a dell streak or something
[20:27] <ali1234> problem solved
[20:27] <hamitron> not really big enough :/
[20:27] <ali1234> its plenty big enough
[20:28] <AlanBell> it is quite big
[20:28] <diplo> grr got my order wrong, 2 lots of sweet and sour, no chips  :(
[20:28] <hamitron> :(
[20:29] <hamitron> ok, nexus webpage half loaded now...
[20:29] <hamitron> :\
[20:30] <hamitron> if you had some ARM cpu netbook that ran in low power mode most of the time, and allowing you to use bluetooth and 3G card...
[20:31] <hamitron> 10 inch screen
[20:31] <hamitron> ubuntu
[20:31] <hamitron> be a win
[20:31] <hamitron> :)
[20:31] <jgjones> You would be interested in the Motorola's phone then
[20:32]  * MartijnVdS has built-in 3G in his Sony 13" laptop
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> and it's great
[20:32] <hamitron> jgjones: maybe :)
[20:32] <jgjones> The Motorola Atrix - it's a phone, but you can put it in a "dock" which is a screen and a keyboard and it become like a netbook
[20:32] <jgjones> http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-phones/motorola-atrix-review-50002122/
[20:33] <jgjones> (there's 2 other form factor too)
[20:33] <Azelphur> haha, I'm in such a trolling mood today
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: reddit.com ;)
[20:34] <jgjones> It's a nice idea though, I quite like it...now if I can slap Ubuntu onto that phone - and then when it's in a dock, I get a Ubuntu desktop, and take it out...it's a phone (although Ubuntu need a phone interface for that) :)
[20:34] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: someone linked a friend of mine to a phishing site, we're messing with it
[20:34] <Azelphur> got the source code out of it, and looked up his info from DNS whois :D
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: XSS in a phishing site? :)
[20:34] <hamitron> jgjones: just a basic keypad on the touchscreen
[20:34] <hamitron> no fancy apps
[20:34] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:35] <jgjones> hamitron, you wouldn't need to worry about ARM's power - the Motorola Atrix comes with a dual-core Terga cpu.
[20:35] <jgjones> and it comes with as CNET puts it "1GHz of RAM"...ok the memory's fast but how big is it? :)
[20:36] <hamitron> I can't load the page
[20:36] <hamitron> :/
[20:36]  * MartijnVdS got his dad to install Ubuntu on his "spare" machine
[20:36] <hamitron> only page I can load is google.com it seems
[20:36] <Darael> jgjones: It isn't.  It's pure speed with all the capacity removed :P
[20:36] <jgjones> lynx?
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> because there aren't Win7 drivers for his negative scanner
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[20:37] <jgjones> Darael, that's OK...at least it's very fast :D
[20:37] <jgjones> MartijnVdS, I was told that Win7 was easier - yet why does it churn for a while every damn time I plug the mouse into a new port?!
[20:38] <jgjones> Port 1 - churn...whirr...clunk...new device driver have been installed.
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> jgjones: Win7 is one of the best versions of Windows I've seen
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> jgjones: it suffers from that, but it does work
[20:38] <jgjones> port 2 - churn....whirr....clunk....new device driver have been installed (taking up to 30 second before I can use the mouse)
[20:38] <jgjones> Yeah it works.
[20:38] <jgjones> it's just annoying.
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> Ive even switched graphics cards, and it just kept on working
[20:38] <hamitron> I always prefered win98 :/
[20:38] <jgjones> And I still have issues with my HP printer with it (bluetooth)
[20:39] <jgjones> bluetooth printer on Ubuntu - it just works.
[20:39] <hamitron> no issues if you formated every other month
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> my HP is on ethernet (and eats PCL and/or PS), works fine from any OS :)
[20:39] <jgjones> bluetooth printer on win7 - sigh...sometime I have to re-add it, seaching for it in bluetooth. so I have in my printer list: hp, hp_1, hp_2, hp_3, hp_4 and so on.
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> great
[20:40] <penguin42> bluetooth printing? Rare
[20:40] <hamitron> bluetooth is over rated :/
[20:40] <jgjones> but graphics - yup that's a good thing IF i had a laptop that does it (my sony laptop need rebooting if I switch graphics anyway)
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> I have a bluetooth audio adapter attached to my stereo
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> so I can play podcasts on my phone and listen to them on my stereo
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> (A2DP)
[20:41] <hamitron> all my bluetooth stuff is upto10m
[20:41] <jgjones> penguin42, yeah it's rare...I have a HP mobile printer - so it comes with bluetooth (my old HP printer which I love is wifi or ethernet but it's now in Silicon Heaven)
[20:41] <hamitron> and upto 10m, I am happy to plug stuff in
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> jgjones: blue smoke came out?
[20:41] <jgjones> hamitron, I can't be arsed to do that - it's a printer...very rarely used but as it's a mobile - I just pick it up, switch it on, print (comes with its own battery) very useful
[20:42] <jgjones> MartijnVdS, nah just died peacefully.
[20:42] <hamitron> my printer is just sat near my server, ready to be turned on when needed over the network
[20:43] <hamitron> main problem is 2 flights of stairs to check it printed ok :/
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> CP1515n + 160g paper = fun :)
[20:43] <jgjones> hamitron, mobile printer can't be underrated in a small office. Not in use? stuff it away on a shelf. Need it? Take it out, switch it on and print (obviously you have to recharge it once in a while)
[20:43] <hamitron> so suppose bluetooth would be handy :))
[20:43] <hamitron> guess so
[20:44] <hamitron> I am won over now to the idea, no walking required...
[20:44] <jgjones> mind you...ink capacity is quite small - but as I said, I rarely print so it's not an issue and I get ink from inkprice.co.uk which is quite cheap
[20:45] <MartijnVdS> CP1515n colour laser \o/
[20:45] <hamitron> too many colours :/
[20:46] <hamitron> black and white ftw, and a bit of grey if in a creative mood
[20:46] <Myrtti> i love the samsung scx-4500w we got to bits
[20:46] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: back to the 50s with you!
[20:46]  * hamitron boogies
[20:46] <Myrtti> it reminds me of the 2001 space odyssey monolith
[20:46] <hamitron> ;)
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: with the monkeys with sticks?
[20:48] <Myrtti> not quite
[20:48]  * suprengr_ asks for a moments silence please , his aeons old Dell Lattitide cpi... poor Latty - it was a good & fulfilling lifetime [respect please]
[20:48] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: the monkeys with other animals bones, beeting up other monkeys,
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: uhr, yes. that.
[20:48] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it's been a while :)
[20:49] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: that bit is abit later than the bit you mentioned,
[20:49] <Myrtti> it is a classy piece of kit though
[20:50] <Myrtti> black and sleek and works in ubuntu ootb
[20:50] <brobostigon> Myrtti: which piece of kit, may i ask?
[20:50] <_H1> any chemists here?
[20:51] <Myrtti> brobostigon: "i love the samsung scx-4500w we got to bits"
[20:51] <MartijnVdS> _H1: depends, what do you want to know
[20:51] <brobostigon> Myrtti: i missed thatbit, let melook it up.:)
[20:53] <brobostigon> Myrtti: you're right, it does look like the monolith, on its side, layed down.
[21:01] <brobostigon> nought on tv, so, pink floyd'athon, here we come.
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: apollo on bbc3
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: but floyd-a-thon sounds nice :)
[21:03] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: true, i willhave alook, and ecide,
[21:05] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Michael McIntyre "Live at the Apollo"
[21:05] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: its not bad, ithink i will keep it on forabit.
[21:06]  * MartijnVdS bought a kitchen today
[21:07] <suprengr_> & then there's QI XL on Beeb2 @ 22:30
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> suprengr_: ah! good one.. but I've already seen the "normal" one yesterday
[21:10] <MichealH> Hey guys :)
[21:10] <MartijnVdS> \o MichealH
[21:10] <MichealH> :)
[21:10] <MichealH> Little busy :P
[21:11] <MartijnVdS> http://helloworldbea.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/large_aussign.jpg
[21:12] <suprengr_> MartijnVdS: perhaps a little South Park on Viva then? [Mr. Hankiy's Christmas Classics no less ;D
[21:12] <MartijnVdS> suprengr_: Freesat only here :\
[21:12] <directhex> hiiiiidely ho!
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> directhex: howdy
[21:13] <directhex> that was my mr hanky
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> the christmas poo1
[21:13]  * MichealH screams
[21:13] <MartijnVdS> !
[21:13] <directhex> i love him, he loves you!
[21:14] <MichealH> Why does #wikipedia-ten be so bad!!!!
[21:14] <MichealH> Its bad enough Im opping there :/
[21:14]  * suprengr_ checks warning "some adults may find this offensive".  [naaah!]
[21:16]  * MichealH facepalms at #wikipedia-ten
[21:18] <directhex> suprengr_: hopefully adults will find my fosdem talk offensive \o/
[21:19] <suprengr_> directhex: now that's more like it ;)
[21:20] <directhex> suprengr_: i've had compliments for my latest blogspam, and i name a certain shock site in that by name :)
[21:22] <suprengr_> directhex: ok, I'm curious...
[21:23] <directhex> suprengr_: it's on planet...
[21:26]  * suprengr_ is still replying to condolences for dear departed "latty" [Dell Lattititude cpi] on #ubuntu-beginners... now that's a channel that respects a dead laptop!
[21:36] <suprengr_> directhex: on planet ubuntu? can't find you under nick & don't know real name :(
[21:37] <Darael> suprengr_: /whois is your friend.
[21:37] <directhex> suprengr_: look for the feral chicken of plunder island
[21:38] <suprengr_> Darael: bin there dunit already but..."This command could not be completed because it has been used recently, and is rate-limited."
[21:38] <suprengr_> directhex: cool - I get the hint ;)
[21:38] <Darael> I wish I did.
[21:41] <directhex> bok bok bok.
[21:41] <suprengr_> ;D
[21:42] <suprengr_> directhex: are you referring to the fifth by any chance?
[21:43] <directhex> no, because sense hofstede's blog has broken & spammed all over the place
[21:43] <directhex> oh, wait, i get it
[21:43] <directhex> yes
[21:43] <directhex> sorry, 2 bottles of jaques seems to be enough to slow my brain down
[21:45]  * suprengr_ hands directhex an mt glass for filling up please... & congratulates directhex re the blog
[21:47] <directhex> suprengr_: sorry, i drank everything
[21:47] <directhex> there's some desert wine left i guess
[21:47] <suprengr_> yuk
[21:48] <suprengr_> read that blog last night... didn't connect it at the time with your good self... too busy [purely research, of course] on own bottle at time
[21:50] <suprengr_> [really ought to read the 'by' lines!]
[22:00] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/MQYWkTuL this is why I love OSS :D
[22:00] <Azelphur> where else can you get support like that, hehe
[22:05] <penguin42> nice
[22:06] <diplo> looks a nice app, and with support like that you cant go wrong
[22:06] <Azelphur> indeed :)
[22:08] <diplo> Game server hosting going ok still Azelphur ?
[22:08] <Azelphur> diplo: indeed :D
[22:08] <Azelphur> I just had ZNC randomly decide that it was going to use 100% CPU and lag everyone, that was fun
[22:09] <Darael> Sounds like fun in the Dwarf Fortress sense.
[22:09] <diplo> Do you monitor server load etc with anything ? or caught it with top with a terminal already open
[22:09] <diplo> ?
[22:10] <Azelphur> caught it with "azelphur LAAAAAG" x50 in IRC
[22:10] <hamitron> :)
[22:10] <Azelphur> players, they are a great uptime monitor
[22:10] <diplo> heh
[22:10] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:10] <hamitron> riot with the slightness disruption of essential services ;/
[22:10] <hamitron> slightest*
[22:11] <diplo> Still getting good money from adwords ?
[22:11] <Azelphur> adsense, a reasonable amount yea
[22:11] <Azelphur> should have another payout soon
[22:25] <Azelphur> popey got an iPad >.<
[22:25]  * Azelphur looses more faith in humanity
[22:25] <hamitron> popey is human?
[22:26] <hamitron> :|
[22:26] <Azelphur> good point :P
[22:36] <gord> ipads are pretty cool
[22:36] <gord> only reason i don't have one is that i don't really like the ios interface/software, waiting for an android or nice linux one
[22:36] <hamitron> they look a bit overpriced to me
[22:36] <Azelphur> gord: you like the hardware?
[22:36] <gord> they are hugely overpriced :) but that doesn't mean they aren't cool
[22:37] <gord> the hardware and the utility, one of my workmates watched two movies on the flight to the US
[22:37] <hamitron> there is an android one at maplin for £150
[22:37] <hamitron> and them creative ones look cool
[22:37] <gord> android isn't designed for tablets quite yet :) and the hardware is always awful, just phones with big screens
[22:38] <gord> and i mean that quite litterally, same resolution
[22:38] <hamitron> bigger is better.... ;/
[22:39] <penguin42> hamitron: Be careful, some of the tablets have really shit processors and low amounts of RAM
[22:39] <gord> think i'm gonna wait for a tegra2 android tablet, that would be nice
[22:39] <hamitron> but I was thinking about how I would use one, and I can't really see how I would get my moneys worth
[22:39] <gord> with honeycomb
[22:39] <penguin42> gord: There is at least one already
[22:39] <penguin42> gord: Oh, honeycomb hmm
[22:39] <penguin42> gord: The Dixons Advent Vega is Tegra 2
[22:39] <gord> i'm more thinking "made by google"
[22:39] <hamitron> what you guys think to that dell inspiron duo?
[22:39] <gord> like the nexxii
[22:39] <gord> get my tegra2 netbook on monday :D
[22:40] <penguin42> gord: Which one ? ac100?
[22:40] <gord> yeah
[22:40] <penguin42> they're a bit pricy - for no good reason they seem to be significantly more than an Atom based one
[22:41] <gord> you get like 600% the battery life of atom systems
[22:41] <gord> and an nvidia gpu for hardware video decoding
[22:41] <penguin42> true, but not much RAM and no ether
[22:42] <gord> i don't care about those
[22:42] <Azelphur> gord: so basically the hardwares overpriced, the software sucks :P
[22:42] <gord> i'm not playing crysis on this thing, i'm dragging it around me, watching the occasional tv show and doing a lot of web browsing
[22:42] <Azelphur> and you can get better hardware cheaper with better software elsewhere
[22:42] <Azelphur> :D
[22:42] <Azelphur> I think that constitutes ipad getting the sucky award
[22:42] <gord> you'd have a hard time getting better hardware and the software thing is my opinion
[22:43] <gord> lots of people would argue that the ios is some of the greatest software around
[22:43]  * hamitron would rather buy a book
[22:43] <hamitron> no dead battery either
[22:43] <hamitron> ;/
[22:44] <gord> can't watch a movie on a book! or check a website on "book"!
[22:44] <penguin42> gord: Yeh I've messed with one, I'm told android is a little odd on something without touchscreen - still, it'll run Ubuntu
[22:44] <hamitron> but you are busy reading the book...
[22:44] <hamitron> don't need anything else
[22:45] <gord> penguin42, yeah, the android install won't last long ;)
[22:45] <hamitron> watching a movie on something like an iPad on the train seems a little antisocial to me, cuts you off from the environment
[22:46] <directhex> an iDevice is a brick until it can be *reliably* used with Free Software only
[22:46] <hamitron> yeh
[22:46] <directhex> it doesn't need to be free software, but it needs to not be crippled if you don't feed it to iTunes
[22:47] <hamitron> the limit to only 2 software version upgrades is worrying too
[22:47] <directhex> i'd settle for a closed tablet which doesn't mandate a Windows/Mac-only media player in order to boot the first time
[22:47] <gord> what if you like itunes and use it a lot? its not a brick then
[22:47] <directhex> hamitron: meh, how many android devices get real updates?
[22:47] <directhex> gord: then sadly the coalition has cut NHS mental health services
[22:47] <hamitron> I was not saying I like android either ;/
[22:48] <gord> directhex, lots from what i can tell, its always surprising to me
[22:48] <penguin42> directhex: No, the people hearing voices is just a small applet.....
[22:49] <directhex> i don't care if iTunes is *better* somehow, i care if i can trust the device to let me, say, load music & movies on via ubuntu
[22:49] <directhex> i can't *trust* libipodwhatever, occasionally it'll go nuts & the device will brick until you sync with itunes
[22:49] <gord> you can't, so i guess an ithing isn't for oyu
[22:49] <gord> its not for me either, but it might be good for others, best of luck to those other people
[22:50] <hamitron> how many android devices are properly "open" to the point you can re-create your own system and flash it with what you want?
[22:50] <directhex> it's why i have no interest in an iphone either
[22:50] <directhex> hamitron: two
[22:51] <hamitron> so most are no better then :/
[22:51] <directhex> hamitron: the rest need the boot loader to be hacked in some way. and AOSP is lip service to Freedom
[22:51] <penguin42> directhex: Yeh but once they are hacked some more o them can have your own firmware on can't they?
[22:51]  * penguin42 suspects more would succumb to a JTAG lead
[22:51] <directhex> gord: honestly, if Windows Phone 7 can be reliably used on linux, and an iPhone can't, i'm more interested in WP7
[22:51] <hamitron> so which 2 are "proper"?
[22:52] <directhex> penguin42: many devices have custom firmwares, once hackers crack the firmware. but it's a mess of an ecosphere
[22:52] <gord> directhex, okay then
[22:52] <hamitron> nexus one and s?
[22:52] <directhex> penguin42: hope you like reinstalling all your apps
[22:52] <directhex> hamitron: yep
[22:53] <gord> can only seem to get irc on this airport wifi =\ someone describe the internet to me!
[22:53] <directhex> gord: a magic land filled with porn
[22:53] <penguin42> gord: It's big, round and smells of chicken
[22:53] <hamitron> a serious addiction for modern society
[22:54] <gord> http over irc doesn't seem to be working out as a protocol, you guys need to work harder at describing!
[22:54]  * hamitron wonders if facebook will be "the standard" for web browsing in the future
[22:55] <DJones> Apparently the internet is an offshoot of a website called facebook
[22:55] <hamitron> :D
[22:55] <jgjones> directhex - I've got cyanogenmod on my nexus one - reinstall apps aren't a problem. Put in Google account and it does that automatically anyway.
[22:56] <jgjones> DJones, what's facebook?
[22:56] <directhex> i just can't be bothered to update villainrom on my hero. i'm just tired of android grind
[22:56] <hamitron> :/
[22:57] <directhex> webos is better than android in every way, except battery life & device availability
[22:57] <directhex> oh, and store size i guess
[22:57] <DJones> jgjones: I think its a phishing site used to collect all your personal data
[22:57] <hamitron> nice to see not everyone uses it
[22:57] <hamitron> :)
[22:58] <jgjones> directhex, that's why I use cyanomodgen - with ROM manager - updates are checked for automatically and you just update to the next version. Quite simple actually - minimal work now.
[22:58] <gord> i use the chat though empathy, that works well
[22:58] <gord> never go to the website though, mostly out of lazyness
[22:58] <jgjones> DJones - ah...so if I see the Facebook I should report it to phishtank then.
[22:58] <hamitron> I never signed up :/
[22:58] <hamitron> just cba
[22:58] <directhex> jgjones: i'll tell koush he has a happy customer
[22:59] <hamitron> took me ages to sign up to myspace, then everyone I know moved to facebook 2 weeks after
[22:59] <hamitron> guess I am the reason for the downfall of myspace? ;/
[22:59] <jgjones> hamitron, you're not missing anything at all. Google at least take care of harvesting your personal data for you so that make up for lack of facebook ;-)
[22:59] <hamitron> cool :D
[22:59] <hamitron> google do the work for me
[22:59] <hamitron> google <3
[23:00] <jgjones> you caused myspace to fail? Then you should join facebook!
[23:00] <hamitron> jgjones: first good reason someone has given me ;)
[23:00]  * hamitron tempted
[23:00] <jgjones> It's scary how people start to think that the Internet = Facebook though.
[23:00] <jgjones> everything in hand of one company.
[23:00] <gord> we all know that the internet = cats
[23:00] <hamitron> yeh, BBC programs often give a facebook page now :/
[23:01] <jgjones> I was showing a friend a page on BBC news.
[23:01] <jgjones> Was asked where I found it in facebook.
[23:01] <hamitron> hehe
[23:02] <jgjones> he never seen bing before
[23:02] <hamitron> I read facebook accounts for over half the web usage by employee in a lot of companies
[23:02] <hamitron> :/
[23:03]  * jgjones rants
[23:03] <jgjones> fed up with LoveFilm
[23:03] <hamitron> :D
[23:03] <jgjones> 4oD and ITV
[23:03] <jgjones> sick of putting up with their "excuses" why they apparently isn't able to put up subtitles on their video streaming service.
[23:04] <jgjones> Especially for Lovefilm. I pay for the sodding service, I am entitled to equal treatment for my money.
[23:04] <hamitron> I think with how things are, I may read the linux kernel source for entertainment
[23:04] <directhex> i'm annoyed that lovefilm only stream in sub-iplayer-quality SD
[23:04] <hamitron> everything is either broken or crap
[23:04] <directhex> when i want 3d hf
[23:04] <directhex> hd
[23:05] <hamitron> :)
[23:05] <jgjones> :)
[23:05] <gord> jgjones, okay, just fyi, you aren't entitled to equal treatment, you are entitled to take your business elsewhere where there is equal treatment ;)
[23:05] <jgjones> gord - I would do it instantly
[23:05] <jgjones> so can you point me to a film rental with streaming where they provide subtitles?
[23:05] <jgjones> Films without subtitles are unwatchable.
[23:06] <hamitron> could you not just rent dvd?
[23:06] <jgjones> Hamitron - I do. However sometime I just wanna watch anything and would be interested to stream.
[23:06] <jgjones> It come with my package after all.
[23:06] <hamitron> guess so
[23:06] <hamitron> :)
[23:07] <jgjones> I asked for a discount based on the fact that I can't use their streaming service
[23:07] <jgjones> obviously I don't get that.
[23:07] <hamitron> I find the internet too slow :/
[23:07] <hamitron> I was tempted to try that rental service at amazon...
[23:07] <jgjones> Interesting enough a friend tell me that with the Equality Act 2010 - I can actually demand that LoveFilm, ITV's on demand service and so on to pull their website until they provide equal treatment.
[23:08] <hamitron> but technically you are provided with the same service as everyone else?
[23:08] <hamitron> :/
[23:09] <jgjones> technically no since I am deaf it means Lovefilm by streaming movies without subtitles are providing an unequal service to deaf people.
[23:09] <jgjones> and thus in breach of Equality Act 2010.
[23:09] <jgjones> and I in theory can demand that they provide subtitles or that they pull their service - wonder if I can actually do this.
[23:10] <jgjones> Time to read it up. Would be interesting anyway.
[23:10] <hamitron> interesting yeh
[23:10] <hamitron> I'd say a petition would be a better way to go about it
[23:11] <hamitron> I know if I am denyed a service because of a minority, I tend to get annoyed with the minority, so it could lose you support
[23:13] <hamitron> jgjones: do they offer a downloadable alternative? that would be easier to adapt for sub-titles?
[23:17] <hamitron> right, coffee time I think
[23:17] <hamitron> brb
[23:21] <Azelphur> Is there any way to make an android phone actually connect bluetooth to my PC?
[23:21] <Azelphur> I got it paired, but it says paired but not connected in settings
[23:21] <Azelphur> I need it to connect so I can make the phone do cool things when I'm in range of my PC :P
[23:34] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.