| ScottL | ugh, paultag, i get the -settings package to install properly (at least there are no errors now), but it's not setting the default xsession | 01:50 |
|---|---|---|
| ScottL | i ran into a few other syntax errors but fixed those and i have also played with a few other things | 01:50 |
| ScottL | i even checked a few things on the xubuntu and une -settings to verify again what i was doing | 01:51 |
| ScottL | if you don't have any good suggestions then i will try to find didirocks again and ask him to look over a few things and ask him a few questions | 01:51 |
| ScottL | paultag, lastly, i have even tried running the /usr/lib/gdm/gdm-set-default-session command by hand in a terminal and it doesn't seem to work | 02:17 |
| * ScottL is frustrated | 02:17 | |
| * holstein too | 02:23 | |
| ScottL | what are you frustrated about holstein ? | 02:30 |
| tanders12 | holstein: tried daily again and it seems to be much more stable | 02:54 |
| holstein | tanders12: cool | 02:55 |
| tanders12 | what are the steps you wanted me to try? | 02:57 |
| holstein | OH | 03:00 |
| holstein | tanders12: try sudo qjackctl | 03:00 |
| holstein | til you're sure JACK is working with your device | 03:01 |
| holstein | then, get the -lowlatency kernel from abogani | 03:01 |
| holstein | https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa | 03:02 |
| holstein | try it sudo again | 03:02 |
| holstein | then as normal user if that is working | 03:02 |
| holstein | then add yourself to the audio group | 03:02 |
| holstein | and run as normal user | 03:02 |
| tanders12 | paste.ubuntu.com/554252 | 03:39 |
| tanders12 | and thats as root | 03:39 |
| tanders12 | it works if i uncheck realtime tho | 03:39 |
| holstein | tanders12: which kernel? | 03:40 |
| holstein | generic? | 03:40 |
| holstein | uname -a | 03:40 |
| tanders12 | yeah | 03:40 |
| holstein | OK | 03:40 |
| tanders12 | installing LL now | 03:40 |
| holstein | i think that is to be expected | 03:40 |
| holstein | so far | 03:40 |
| tanders12 | oh duh | 03:40 |
| tanders12 | cgroups | 03:40 |
| tanders12 | i forgot | 03:41 |
| ailo | tanders12: holstein: did you read the comment on the US-dev list, that firewire should work without adding user to audio group? | 03:41 |
| holstein | ailo: sure, it'll work | 03:41 |
| holstein | without RT | 03:41 |
| tanders12 | no | 03:41 |
| holstein | ailo: tanders12 just did htat | 03:41 |
| holstein | that* | 03:41 |
| holstein | as root | 03:41 |
| ailo | holstein: Yeah. | 03:41 |
| holstein | i didnt think we were debating that | 03:41 |
| holstein | but whatever | 03:41 |
| holstein | i mean, with that email | 03:41 |
| ailo | holstein: No, it should work as user too, if the guy was right | 03:42 |
| holstein | OH | 03:42 |
| holstein | tanders12: | 03:42 |
| holstein | before you reboot | 03:42 |
| holstein | try jack as normal user | 03:42 |
| tanders12 | just did it not root without rt also | 03:42 |
| holstein | with that RT box unchecked | 03:42 |
| tanders12 | ^^ | 03:42 |
| ailo | holstein: But because jack can't access realtime without audio group, better try with no realtime on jack | 03:42 |
| holstein | ailo: thats what is expected right? | 03:43 |
| holstein | i think we have a good bead on what is going on | 03:43 |
| tanders12 | setting my monitors up correctly crashes metacity | 03:43 |
| ailo | holstein: It was news to me. falktx was talking about it. Firewire can be accessed without udev rules all together. | 03:43 |
| tanders12 | or whatever it is that controls the window buttons | 03:43 |
| holstein | tanders12: i bet ;) | 03:43 |
| holstein | its a mess in there | 03:44 |
| holstein | in some ways | 03:44 |
| tanders12 | yah | 03:44 |
| tanders12 | time for LL :D | 03:44 |
| holstein | tanders12: :) | 03:44 |
| tanders12 | what irc clients you guys use? | 03:44 |
| holstein | irssi | 03:44 |
| ailo | tanders12: I'm on xchat | 03:45 |
| tanders12 | cool | 03:45 |
| tanders12 | works as root | 03:46 |
| tanders12 | not as user | 03:46 |
| ailo | holstein: tanders12: No realtime on generic, so no use using realtime on jack. It would be cool to know, if firewire works in usermode without audio group and jack not using realtime | 03:46 |
| holstein | ailo: nows the time | 03:47 |
| holstein | tanders12: SO... | 03:47 |
| holstein | you have not added yourself to the audio group yet right? | 03:47 |
| ailo | Tanders12: You're testing Natty, right? | 03:48 |
| tanders12 | yeah | 03:48 |
| holstein | fresh install :) | 03:48 |
| tanders12 | holstein: no | 03:48 |
| holstein | tanders12: COOL | 03:48 |
| holstein | so lets make sure we get that test in | 03:48 |
| holstein | normal user, non-rt, and jack doesnt start tanders12 ? | 03:49 |
| tanders12 | no that works | 03:49 |
| holstein | OK | 03:49 |
| tanders12 | if its non rt | 03:49 |
| holstein | ailo: so that fits then | 03:49 |
| holstein | right? | 03:49 |
| tanders12 | nice | 03:50 |
| tanders12 | works after adding to audio group | 03:50 |
| ailo | holstein: tanders12: So adding oneself to audio group will give realtime access to both jackd and the firewire device | 03:50 |
| tanders12 | from fresh install: 1) install lowlatency 2) add to audio group 3) don | 03:50 |
| tanders12 | done** | 03:50 |
| holstein | OK | 03:50 |
| ailo | hostein: tanders12: But since the generic kernel can't give realtime, no use trying to make that work. -lowlatency is the only solution for now. | 03:50 |
| holstein | and now all is good? | 03:51 |
| tanders12 | and im still getting xruns :P | 03:51 |
| ailo | tanders12: May be there is an irq problem. | 03:51 |
| holstein | well, thats what was up before though right? | 03:51 |
| tanders12 | yeah | 03:51 |
| holstein | i think its graphics and FW sharing | 03:51 |
| tanders12 | prolly hw | 03:51 |
| tanders12 | but i could hope, right? | 03:51 |
| holstein | tanders12: i thought it was worth a try | 03:52 |
| holstein | since we needed this test anyways | 03:52 |
| holstein | to confirm | 03:52 |
| holstein | tanders12: thanks for doing it :) | 03:52 |
| tanders12 | np | 03:52 |
| ailo | tanders12: Yeah, thanks. | 03:53 |
| ailo | tanders12: You seem to want to get more involved too? | 03:53 |
| tanders12 | is there any way around the gfx sharing issue? | 03:53 |
| tanders12 | ailo: to a point | 03:53 |
| tanders12 | :) | 03:53 |
| ailo | tanders12: abogani was saying something about it. | 03:53 |
| holstein | ailo: you know about software irq routing? | 03:53 |
| ailo | hosltein: I only know that rtirq will help, on a -rt kernel | 03:54 |
| tanders12 | not on lowlatency tho? | 03:54 |
| holstein | i dont know about that really | 03:54 |
| holstein | tanders12: i think it should | 03:54 |
| ailo | tanders12: No | 03:54 |
| holstein | AH | 03:54 |
| holstein | sux | 03:54 |
| ailo | holstein: Only together with the realtime patch, which the -lowlatency does not have. -lowlatency is essentially a generic kernel with lower latency | 03:55 |
| holstein | tanders12: if you added abogani's PPA | 03:55 |
| holstein | there is a -realtime in there for natty | 03:56 |
| tanders12 | ill have to try rt then... | 03:56 |
| holstein | you could mess around while your testing anyways | 03:56 |
| ailo | holstein: tanders12: abogani had some ideas about that, how to fix irq, and he said it was possible, but required caution | 03:56 |
| tanders12 | yeah | 03:56 |
| holstein | not nearly as much caution on a test install though :) | 03:56 |
| ailo | If we could ask him more about it, maybe someone could try a solution, and maybe even discuss it on lau's dev list, to get more heads on it. | 03:58 |
| ailo | It's sad that -lowlatency has this one problem, when in all other ways it solves all problems. | 03:58 |
| ailo | For audio users | 03:58 |
| tanders12 | wat problem? | 03:58 |
| ailo | tanders12: IRQ. | 03:59 |
| ailo | tanders12: So, just to make sure :). You did boot into -lowlatency? | 04:00 |
| tanders12 | realtime package missing... | 04:00 |
| tanders12 | yeah | 04:00 |
| tanders12 | hm he removed it apparently | 04:01 |
| ailo | tanders12: No realtime kernel for Natty, yet. | 04:01 |
| ailo | tanders12: It's more work, and if it is deemed really needed, abogani will probably work on it. | 04:02 |
| tanders12 | k | 04:03 |
| tanders12 | ill test some more | 04:03 |
| tanders12 | LL might still be more reliable on my system than maverick | 04:03 |
| ailo | tanders12: LL? | 04:03 |
| ailo | tanders12: Your jack settings were default? | 04:04 |
| tanders12 | lowlatency | 04:04 |
| tanders12 | no | 04:04 |
| tanders12 | 512 no mem lock firewire | 04:04 |
| ailo | tanders12: 512 should of course work normally. Don't know what holstein had, but it was pretty low. Im stable at 64 frames/period with pci cards. | 04:05 |
| holstein | i got 32 to start ;) | 04:08 |
| holstein | and run OK actually | 04:09 |
| tanders12 | 32 started | 04:09 |
| tanders12 | 1 xrun off the bat | 04:09 |
| tanders12 | still has old version of ffado-mixer | 04:12 |
| tanders12 | gonna have to build everything from source again | 04:12 |
| tanders12 | im getting quite good at that | 04:12 |
| tanders12 | ;' | 04:12 |
| tanders12 | ;) | 04:12 |
| tanders12 | wow | 04:13 |
| tanders12 | definitely MUCH better than maverick | 04:13 |
| holstein | performance wise? | 04:14 |
| tanders12 | no xruns playing audacious at 64 so far | 04:14 |
| holstein | i thought that too | 04:14 |
| tanders12 | installing stuff from synaptic in background too | 04:14 |
| holstein | sounds like prgress to me | 04:14 |
| tanders12 | pumping audacious into ardour and recording w/ patchage running | 04:15 |
| tanders12 | NO xruns | 04:16 |
| tanders12 | freak yeah | 04:16 |
| tanders12 | ok got one but i didn't hear any click... | 04:18 |
| ailo | tanders12: So, how come you got them before? | 04:18 |
| ailo | xruns? | 04:18 |
| ailo | tanders12: What kind of CPU do you have? | 04:18 |
| tanders12 | core duo | 04:18 |
| tanders12 | pretty sure it's cuz my firewire bus is shared with my graphics | 04:19 |
| ailo | tanders12: Well, shouldn't it be the same all the time? | 04:20 |
| ailo | tanders12: If in fact you are able to run firewire as low as 64 frames/period with irq sharing graphics with firewire, I don't see how there could be an irq problem | 04:21 |
| tanders12 | idk | 04:23 |
| ailo | tanders12: So, it happened once, and now it didn't? Maybe it will happen on occasion? If it does, please let us know. I find this is the final stone to turn over about the -lowlatency kernel. | 04:24 |
| tanders12 | u mean xruns on occasion? | 04:25 |
| ailo | tanders12: Yes. But not just one or two. | 04:25 |
| tanders12 | its always been like 1 per minute or so | 04:25 |
| ailo | tanders12: Oh. | 04:26 |
| tanders12 | but not as many now | 04:26 |
| ailo | tanders12: Did you try on a -realtime kernel at any point? Which distro, in that case? | 04:26 |
| tanders12 | tried natty rt on maverick | 04:27 |
| ailo | tanders12: You mean -lowlatency | 04:27 |
| ailo | tanders12: Lucid has linux-rt, but it's backported from Karmic | 04:27 |
| ailo | tanders12: In Karmic you have a real -rt kernel, and the rtirq script | 04:28 |
| holstein | i got tanders12 going with RT | 04:28 |
| holstein | the natty one | 04:28 |
| holstein | in maverick | 04:28 |
| holstein | didnt help :/ | 04:28 |
| ailo | holstein: But, there's no -rt in Natty. Only -lowlatency. It's not the same thing. | 04:28 |
| holstein | there was | 04:28 |
| holstein | if its not there anymore | 04:29 |
| holstein | its an older verion i think | 04:29 |
| holstein | there was an older verion in there at least | 04:29 |
| holstein | i got it too | 04:29 |
| tanders12 | yeah | 04:29 |
| holstein | id have to look | 04:29 |
| ailo | holstein: Did I miss it? Must have been a month ago, then? | 04:29 |
| tanders12 | holstein has the link | 04:29 |
| holstein | BUT it might be the same as lucid | 04:29 |
| holstein | ailo: probably that long ago | 04:30 |
| holstein | i found this link... | 04:30 |
| holstein | http://jackschnippes.freeunix.net/index.php/2010/11/04/lowlatency-kernel-and-realtime-kernel-for-ubuntu-10-10-maverick | 04:30 |
| holstein | just links to the .deb's from aboganis PPA | 04:30 |
| ailo | holstein: tanders12: That -realtime kernel is for Lucid, not for Natty. You'll find it in https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter= | 04:32 |
| ailo | holstein: tanders12: If you use the filter, you'll find they are for Lucid. | 04:33 |
| tanders12 | hm | 04:33 |
| holstein | i thought it looked familiar ;) | 04:33 |
| holstein | i just installed it and tried it | 04:33 |
| holstein | and didnt really check it | 04:33 |
| ailo | holstein: It shouldn't include the new firewire stack, I think. I mean, it should be the same stuff on it, as the Lucid kernel, except it has the realtime patch, and can be used with the rtirq script. | 04:35 |
| tanders12 | lol | 04:35 |
| tanders12 | so i was running a lucid kernel on maverick? | 04:35 |
| holstein | yeah, you can still try what you need with it tanders12 | 04:36 |
| ailo | tanders12: I always thought you were testing the -lowlatency | 04:36 |
| holstein | ailo: in natty | 04:36 |
| holstein | -lowlatency in natty right tanders12 ? | 04:36 |
| holstein | thats what i have | 04:36 |
| holstein | and -realtime in maverick and lucid | 04:36 |
| ailo | holstein: tanders12: I meant before, when tanders built ffado from source.. | 04:37 |
| tanders12 | i tried them all on maverick | 04:37 |
| tanders12 | best results with the lucid rt but wifi didnt work | 04:37 |
| ailo | tanders12: Common problem with -rt, from what I understand. | 04:38 |
| ailo | Or, -realtime in this case | 04:38 |
| tanders12 | yea | 04:38 |
| ailo | The difference between -rt and -realtime is that -rt is Ubuntu, while -realtime is linux vanilla. | 04:39 |
| tanders123 | sick of usin that tiny netbook keyboard | 04:39 |
| holstein | i get used to it | 04:40 |
| holstein | the tiny keyboard | 04:40 |
| holstein | and the other ones feel HUGE | 04:40 |
| tanders123 | well, my wrists are killin me | 04:40 |
| tanders123 | violin, guitar and tons of typing | 04:40 |
| tanders123 | not good | 04:40 |
| holstein | typing hurts me after a while | 04:41 |
| ailo | tanders123: So, you got firewire working, but you get a xrun every minute or so, no matter which period/buffer you use? | 04:41 |
| holstein | playing usually helps a bit | 04:41 |
| tanders123 | ailo: it's much better with the lowlatency | 04:41 |
| tanders123 | i need to test it more | 04:41 |
| ailo | tanders123: Still, not perfect? | 04:41 |
| ailo | tanders123: I would want perfect. | 04:41 |
| tanders123 | but i suspect the xruns im getting now are just from opening programs, minimizing things, etc | 04:42 |
| tanders123 | yeah not perfect | 04:42 |
| tanders123 | do you never get xruns on your machine? | 04:42 |
| ailo | tanders123: Shouldn't affect on a higher frames/period. I get no xruns at all at 64 f/p. | 04:42 |
| tanders123 | hm | 04:42 |
| tanders123 | lucky | 04:42 |
| tanders123 | :P | 04:42 |
| tanders123 | but that's pci huh | 04:42 |
| ailo | tanders123: Yeah. | 04:43 |
| tanders123 | holstein: you said you get xruns occasionally right? | 04:43 |
| holstein | tanders123: not really | 04:43 |
| holstein | if i open a program *sometimes | 04:43 |
| holstein | certain apps | 04:43 |
| ailo | holstein: tanders123: It will happen when opening/closing programs that connect to jack. | 04:43 |
| ailo | That is normal | 04:44 |
| holstein | not just sitting there though | 04:44 |
| holstein | i have seen that though | 04:44 |
| holstein | my EEE | 04:44 |
| holstein | if i push it too hard | 04:44 |
| holstein | running JACK | 04:44 |
| holstein | it'll just xrun every 20 seconds or so | 04:44 |
| tanders123 | your eee have fw? | 04:44 |
| holstein | hehe | 04:45 |
| holstein | i wish | 04:45 |
| holstein | i have an HP mininote with an expresscard slot though | 04:45 |
| tanders123 | nice | 04:45 |
| holstein | little more hardware than the EEE | 04:45 |
| tanders123 | which eee? | 04:45 |
| tanders123 | ive got an old 701 :) | 04:45 |
| ailo | tanders123: Do you get xruns at 512 f/p? Try adjusting periods/buffer and set it to 3 (just fishing). | 04:45 |
| holstein | 900 | 04:45 |
| tanders123 | nice | 04:46 |
| tanders123 | i should have waited lol | 04:46 |
| ailo | Mine is 901, I think | 04:46 |
| tanders123 | but now i can tell everyone that i got the first netbook ever | 04:46 |
| holstein | yeaH, i have to say i got the second one | 04:46 |
| tanders123 | ailo: lemme build everything then ill start testing. I can't turn on phantom power to test my mic until i get ffado-mixer working | 04:46 |
| ailo | tanders123: I see. | 04:47 |
| tanders123 | as far as im concerned if it'll let me record a song without wiggin out that's good enough | 04:48 |
| holstein | try setting it really modest | 04:48 |
| holstein | 1024 or more | 04:48 |
| holstein | 3 | 04:49 |
| holstein | you dont need low latency at all | 04:49 |
| tanders123 | what does the frames per buffer do? | 04:49 |
| holstein | you can go too far the other way though | 04:49 |
| holstein | tanders123: im not sure about the particualars | 04:49 |
| ailo | tanders123: holstein: I don't know either, except I've read sometimes that it can help midi perform better. Maybe that would be good to find out... | 04:50 |
| tanders123 | hm | 04:50 |
| ailo | http://rivendell.tryphon.org/wiki/Jack_frame,_period,_buffer_info | 04:52 |
| tanders123 | if you ever know anyone having trouble building ffado or jack, send them to me. I'm pretty much pro at it by now ;) | 04:53 |
| holstein | tanders123: i might be asking about ffado at some point | 04:58 |
| tanders123 | its way easy | 05:01 |
| tanders123 | if you have any desire to try it i say go for it | 05:01 |
| holstein | sometime :) | 05:02 |
| holstein | bedtime now though... laterx | 05:02 |
| ailo | holstein: good night | 05:02 |
| ailo | tanders123: If you do get occasional xruns at 512 f/p, I would ask the ffado guys. Could be hardware specific. | 05:05 |
| tanders123 | cya | 05:07 |
| tanders123 | we have mixer | 05:11 |
| ailo | tanders123: Let me know if you have xruns. | 05:11 |
| tanders123 | k | 05:12 |
| tanders123 | had a couple while starting everything up | 05:12 |
| tanders123 | it's just sitting with ardour recording output from audacious right now | 05:13 |
| ailo | tanders123: Not connecting? | 05:13 |
| tanders123 | no it's workin | 05:13 |
| ailo | Oh, ok | 05:13 |
| ailo | frames/period? | 05:13 |
| tanders123 | been playing for 1.5 minutes with no xruns | 05:13 |
| tanders123 | 512/3 | 05:13 |
| tanders123 | ok it had an xrun | 05:14 |
| tanders123 | but i didn't hear anything. it used to click | 05:14 |
| tanders123 | every time | 05:14 |
| ailo | Still.. | 05:14 |
| tanders123 | yup | 05:14 |
| tanders123 | nother one, didn't affect audio... | 05:14 |
| ailo | Could be something using the same IRQ every 2 minutes | 05:15 |
| tanders123 | those 2 were close together... | 05:15 |
| ailo | Or every 1 minute, like a crontab job | 05:15 |
| ailo | Maybe the wireless? Is that on the same IRQ? | 05:15 |
| tanders123 | no | 05:16 |
| tanders123 | yenta, firewire, and i915 | 05:16 |
| tanders123 | pretty sure yenta is the chipset driver or something like that | 05:16 |
| tanders123 | i915 is intel 945 | 05:16 |
| ailo | yenta = pcmcia ? | 05:17 |
| tanders123 | lol | 05:18 |
| tanders123 | fali | 05:18 |
| tanders123 | fail** | 05:18 |
| tanders123 | it cut out RIGHT before the end of the song | 05:18 |
| ailo | It crashed? | 05:18 |
| tanders123 | no it threw and xrun that actually affected the sound | 05:18 |
| ailo | ok | 05:18 |
| tanders123 | imma go back and listen to the others... | 05:18 |
| ailo | I think the xrun is affecting it all the time, but it is by chance whether it changes the sound wave so it is audible. | 05:19 |
| ailo | Why don't you post something about that on the ffado list? If you don't, I could. But I have no device to test. | 05:20 |
| tanders123 | interesting | 05:21 |
| tanders123 | even though i heard the last one click, when I went back and listened to the recorded version it sounded fine... | 05:21 |
| tanders123 | you think it's an ffado problem? | 05:22 |
| ailo | So, the xrun is only affecting the firewire device, not internally. | 05:22 |
| tanders123 | maybe idk | 05:22 |
| tanders123 | it's strang | 05:22 |
| ailo | But, if you record, it will be audible on the track too | 05:22 |
| tanders123 | no | 05:22 |
| tanders123 | that's what im saying | 05:22 |
| tanders123 | i went back and listened to the recorded track | 05:23 |
| tanders123 | not audible | 05:23 |
| ailo | I mean from microphone, using the firewire device | 05:23 |
| ailo | Since it passes through the device | 05:23 |
| tanders123 | maybe | 05:23 |
| tanders123 | oh | 05:23 |
| tanders123 | i gotcha, duh | 05:23 |
| ailo | I think the ffado guys could perhaps explain why there are xruns. Maybe we can do something about it. | 05:24 |
| tanders123 | of course ardour wouldn't notice since the sound goes straight from audacious to jack to ardou | 05:24 |
| tanders123 | how do you think I should word it? | 05:24 |
| ailo | tanders123: Maybe the firewire device is the only part of it not syncing, while the programs are having no problems. | 05:24 |
| ailo | I guess you could explain the symptom, occasional xruns every one minute or so. Tell them what system you are on. | 05:26 |
| ailo | Maybe put some info of your hardware, cpu, irq shared devices. | 05:26 |
| ailo | In a way, it's a bug. But perhaps it is a linux bug? Would be nice what is causing it first. | 05:27 |
| ailo | Would be nice to know.. | 05:27 |
| ailo | If the ffado guys don't answer, you could try the lau list too. | 05:28 |
| tanders123 | lau? | 05:28 |
| ailo | Linux Audio Users mail list | 05:28 |
| tanders123 | this is weird. it's pretty much just as stable at 64/3 | 05:28 |
| tanders123 | oh | 05:29 |
| ailo | tanders123: Yeah, I don't think it is related to the frames/period. Must be something throwing the device off every now and then | 05:29 |
| tanders123 | yeah | 05:29 |
| ailo | IRQ would be my first guess. | 05:29 |
| tanders123 | i would think that graphics would cause it to mess up more consistently | 05:30 |
| ailo | The device is not getting enough priority, so something else takes over that resource | 05:30 |
| tanders123 | and you can't set priority in lowlatency, right | 05:30 |
| ailo | Maybe, but I don't know how. Seemed like abogani had some ideas about that. | 05:30 |
| tanders123 | ok i think it's MORE stable at 64... | 05:31 |
| tanders123 | 4 minutes with 0 xruns | 05:31 |
| ailo | tanders123: Twilight zone.. | 05:31 |
| tanders123 | ah | 05:31 |
| tanders123 | im gonna up it to 1024 and 2048 and see what happens | 05:32 |
| tanders123 | it'd be nice to find SOME sort of pattern | 05:32 |
| tanders123 | maybe the buffer being to big is throwing something out of sync | 05:32 |
| ailo | Maybe. | 05:32 |
| tanders123 | 5 min clean | 05:32 |
| tanders123 | lol spoke too soon | 05:32 |
| tanders123 | just had one | 05:33 |
| ailo | But, it may also be that the problem is still there, just need to do something to get the system upset. | 05:33 |
| tanders123 | yeah def a problem of some sort | 05:33 |
| tanders123 | need to play with my desktop a little more and see what I can do there. i have an NEC firewire card in it and the motherboard lets you manually set all the irq stuff | 05:34 |
| ailo | tanders123: I would guess you will have no problems with the Desktop in that case. holstein didn't seem to have any problems. | 05:35 |
| tanders123 | we'll see | 05:39 |
| tanders123 | btw i got arch runnin | 05:39 |
| tanders123 | k sent out the email to ffado-user | 05:40 |
| tanders123 | basically just gave them my ffado-diag | 05:40 |
| ailo | looks good. | 05:41 |
| tanders123 | so where does your interest in the firewire stuff come from, seeing as you don't have a device? | 05:43 |
| ailo | I just took it as a part of my duties as a tester to make sure everything has been tested. | 05:44 |
| ailo | I'm also looking to buy a device in the future, so I might just as well help making sure it works. | 05:44 |
| ailo | Firewire seems to be the toughest device to get working. Usually everything else works smoothly. | 05:45 |
| ailo | Also, I'm helping with the Ubuntustudio-controls, which are meant to assist in that area, if it is able to do that. | 05:46 |
| tanders123 | ah ok | 05:48 |
| tanders123 | what sort of device you wanna get? just a basic interface? | 05:48 |
| ailo | I need at least 12 channels, so either one that has an adat interface to expand the number of channels, or daisy-chaining 8+8 channels. | 05:50 |
| ailo | Focusrite seems the most promising, and price worthy. | 05:50 |
| tanders123 | no daisychaining with juju currently | 05:51 |
| tanders123 | iirc | 05:51 |
| ailo | I heard they were fixing that. Don't know if it is already done. | 05:52 |
| tanders123 | i was gonna get a saffire pro 24 but then a guy on ffado-user offered me his used af4 and sold it to me for 160, so i couldn't pass it up | 05:52 |
| ailo | audiofire seems like a good deal too. Depending on the needs. I would like mic amps on all channels, to get rid of the external mixer. | 05:53 |
| ailo | Right now I have two m-audio delta cards synced. Works like a dream, but I'm stuck with a desktop. Would be better to have a laptop. | 05:54 |
| tanders123 | dont be so sure... | 05:56 |
| tanders123 | :D | 05:56 |
| ailo | I feel like we are spamming this channel a bit. Would be good to have a ubuntustudio-testing channel | 05:56 |
| tanders123 | hm maybe | 05:56 |
| tanders123 | but it's not used much, so for the time being i wouldn't worry about it | 05:57 |
| ailo | Well, I think the guys will read up on what has been said, and 1000 lines of testing is not what they are after.. | 05:57 |
| ailo | tanders123: By the way, just for the sake of it. In usermode, without realtime on the generic kernel. How bad was the performance? | 06:01 |
| tanders123 | lol maybe ure right | 06:03 |
| tanders123 | idk | 06:06 |
| ailo | tanders123: Just trying with builtin card. But on -lowlatency. 128 f/p seems to be no problem withou realtime | 06:06 |
| tanders123 | didnt try to run anything | 06:07 |
| tanders123 | ***yawn | 06:08 |
| tanders123 | bedtime bro | 06:08 |
| ailo | Nope 128 was no good for me.. | 06:08 |
| tanders123 | hm | 06:09 |
| tanders123 | well have a good one | 06:09 |
| ailo | tanders123: Yeah. See you around | 06:09 |
| ScottL | ailo, holstein, paultag : interesting bug filed about ubuntustudio-controls and new firewire stack - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/703199 | 14:00 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 703199 in ubuntustudio-controls (Ubuntu) "The role of UbuntuStudio Control may end in Natty." [Undecided,New] | 14:00 |
| ailo | ScottL: Maybe we should let him know that app is outdated and will be replaced. | 14:01 |
| ScottL | would you mind posting something on the bug | 14:02 |
| ailo | Sure | 14:02 |
| ScottL | ailo, also see if you can set it to "confirmed" | 14:02 |
| ailo | ok | 14:02 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, if you have five minutes to talk about the gnome-classic xsession bug i would appreciate it, i'm very stuck at the moment and need a push in the right direction | 14:07 |
| holstein | thats not an entirely false statement | 14:08 |
| holstein | The role of UbuntuStudio Control may end in Natty | 14:08 |
| holstein | thats why its being re-vamped | 14:08 |
| holstein | would be nice if some folk would use IRC | 14:09 |
| ailo | holstein: I suppose we haven't decided yet what to do with US-controls. I have decided to write one from scratch, using python, adding only what is absolutely needed to get US running with realtime audio. | 14:14 |
| ailo | falktx: when do you think your controls will be ready? Within a month? | 14:14 |
| ailo | I'm also working on the notify script, which will let the user know of any problems when logging into the system. | 14:15 |
| ailo | falktx has an app underway, which could perhaps replace -controls. | 14:16 |
| falktx_ | hey ailo, I already started coding it | 14:16 |
| falktx_ | for now it starts the gui, show jack-stats and has a systray | 14:17 |
| falktx_ | other GUI stuff is there, but doesnt do anything yet | 14:17 |
| ailo | falktx: So, it is meant to replace qjackctl and add some other features too? | 14:18 |
| falktx_ | ailo: not just qjackctl, but patchage too | 14:22 |
| === falktx_ is now known as falktx | ||
| ailo | holstein: Did you ever try starting firewire, -generic kernel, jack without rt? | 14:28 |
| ailo | And no audio group | 14:28 |
| holstein | ailo: i dont think so | 14:35 |
| holstein | im surprised that checkbox does anything | 14:35 |
| holstein | i thought that was irrelevant | 14:35 |
| ailo | holstein: I think unchecking it adds a flag. | 14:36 |
| ailo | holstein: My little wiki page doesn't seem to be correct in the light of things. If firewire works without audio group, when not in rt, I guess I should mention that. | 14:37 |
| holstein | i thought it was changed though | 14:37 |
| holstein | and it didnt matter anymore | 14:37 |
| holstein | ailo: yeah, in theory | 14:37 |
| holstein | you can start JACK with US out of the box | 14:37 |
| holstein | which is different than what i thought at first | 14:38 |
| ailo | jack in itself doesn't seem to worry if one has access to realtime or not, it will start anyway, but the firewire driver doesn't seem to like that. | 14:38 |
| holstein | "as long as you dont actually need to use JACK, JACK can be started by..." ;) | 14:38 |
| ailo | holstein: So, the udev rules, I'm wondering if they are only to give firewire access to realtime. | 14:39 |
| holstein | we probably need another tast then | 14:40 |
| holstein | no audio group, with RT checked, with udev | 14:40 |
| ailo | holstein: If you could confirm on the theory, that: no audio group, no realtime, does firewire work with jack | 14:40 |
| ailo | I will change my page, if that is true | 14:41 |
| holstein | well, tanders12 said that worked right? | 14:41 |
| holstein | i can do it | 14:41 |
| holstein | im just not sure i trust reverting the groups change | 14:41 |
| holstein | BUT i'll try it | 14:42 |
| ailo | As long as you log out after doing the change | 14:42 |
| ailo | And you could even try it on the -lowlatency, as long as you don't use realtime. If you want to be extra sure, run jackd --no-realtime from the terminal. | 14:43 |
| holstein | i like that | 14:46 |
| holstein | i'll ping you when im doing it | 14:46 |
| ailo | holstein: Great. | 14:46 |
| holstein | so you can help me make sure im remembering everything :) | 14:46 |
| ailo | holstein: I hardly remember what we said yesterday :) | 14:48 |
| holstein | hehe | 14:48 |
| holstein | yeah, but between the 2 of us, maybe we can keep it straight | 14:48 |
| ailo | let's hope so | 14:49 |
| ailo | abogani gave me the clue earlier to use zenity. It seems we can solve the whole problem using only that within a script. | 15:11 |
| falktx | hey, I want to ask something | 15:14 |
| falktx | how do you guys know which packages does ubuntu needs as base ? | 15:15 |
| falktx | like ubuntustudio-desktop depends on many small apps (acpid, etc) | 15:15 |
| falktx | is it copied from ubuntu or ...? | 15:16 |
| holstein | falktx: | 15:25 |
| holstein | http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/ubuntustudio-desktop | 15:25 |
| holstein | let me see if lucid is up | 15:25 |
| holstein | hey | 15:25 |
| holstein | http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/ubuntustudio-desktop | 15:25 |
| holstein | :) | 15:25 |
| falktx | err, I got distracted | 15:59 |
| falktx | holstein: my question is, where did we get those packages names ? | 16:01 |
| falktx | where do they came from? | 16:01 |
| falktx | holstein: i want to make kxstudio-desktop-base, but not sure which packages to use | 16:02 |
| holstein | falktx: i think its up to you to decide that | 16:02 |
| holstein | what is in the meta-packages | 16:03 |
| falktx | well, for example, 'anacron' | 16:03 |
| falktx | why does ubuntustudio has that ? | 16:03 |
| holstein | who knows | 16:03 |
| holstein | theres a bunch of things that are probably just old | 16:03 |
| holstein | pre-hardy even | 16:03 |
| falktx | arrg... I'll have to do this blindly then | 16:15 |
| ScottL | falktx, i think they started with a vanilla ubuntu base and then replaced the parts they wanted to with the ubuntustudio-base | 16:19 |
| falktx | ScottL: 'they' ? | 16:19 |
| holstein | lol | 16:20 |
| holstein | you know how 'they' are ;) | 16:20 |
| ailo | falktx: ScottL: I get the feeling some dependencies are outdated | 16:20 |
| ScottL | falktx, 'they' being all the old guard, who still may or may not hang around anymore but who helped build ubuntu studio | 16:21 |
| ScottL | falktx, look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.natty/files | 16:21 |
| ScottL | specifically look at the desktop file | 16:22 |
| ScottL | ailo, which dependencies? | 16:23 |
| * falktx bookmarks the page for later | 16:25 | |
| ailo | ScottL: I don't know how I could check, but isn't HAL not needed anymore? | 16:25 |
| ailo | ScottL: Or are the dependencies just a sum of other applications dependencies? | 16:26 |
| ScottL | to help explain a little for everyone: those link above is to the "seeds" which are then "germinated" | 16:31 |
| ScottL | you tell the buildd system what you *want*, i.e. i want ardour, and it figures out all the dependencies for it, i.e. jackd, etc | 16:32 |
| ScottL | the figuring out the dependencies are the 'germinating' part as i understand it | 16:32 |
| ScottL | this is also a really good link: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntustudio/ | 16:33 |
| ScottL | it contains all the log files for the ubuntu studio builds | 16:34 |
| ScottL | ailo, it would appear that indeed HAL is included in the ubuntu studio image: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntustudio/natty/daily-20110115.log | 16:34 |
| ailo | ScottL: I've finished the script that will let you finish Ubuntustudio configuration. I use zenity to add a notification-tray item. | 16:44 |
| ailo | So far, I've left out the "actions", so noone needs to install anything. | 16:44 |
| ailo | http://paste.ubuntu.com/554419/ | 16:45 |
| falktx | your kernel sucks ? | 16:45 |
| ailo | I give paultag creadit for that one | 16:46 |
| holstein | maybe "your kernel is not appropriate for real-time" | 16:47 |
| holstein | "why does my kernel suck?" | 16:47 |
| holstein | "it came with ubuntu?" | 16:47 |
| holstein | "does ubuntu suck?" | 16:47 |
| ailo | The script can be used both as the finishing touch of a package installation, and as a login auto-script. | 16:49 |
| === falktx is now known as falkTsshiddan | ||
| TheMuso | ScottL: I will once I get back home. Don't really have time to look at it prior to flying out of the US tonight. | 17:01 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, oh, didn't know you were in the US currently, but thank you :) | 17:02 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, i don't suppose you were close to Texas? | 17:02 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: Dallas in fact. | 17:03 |
| TheMuso | Still here, waiting to meet up with someone at the hotel to go to the airport later. | 17:03 |
| TheMuso | Were here for he Natty sprint. | 17:03 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, aw, i'm probably less than three hours away and had the week off as vacation, had i known i could have come up for an afternoon to meet you :( | 17:44 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: Thats unfrotunate. I was rather busy as it was, so I may not have been able to make time, but too late to wonder about that now. | 17:46 |
| TheMuso | unfortunate | 17:46 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, true | 17:46 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, but i hope to make either the next UDS (presumably in Europe) or the follow UDS (again, presumably in the US), we can meet most likely at one of those | 17:47 |
| TheMuso | Cool. | 17:47 |
| ailo | There was a couple of errors in the last script. This one might work a little better http://paste.ubuntu.com/554449/ | 18:15 |
| ScottL | TheMuso, how many hours hence do you think you will be ready? not to hold you to a particular time, but just so i have a time frame | 18:28 |
| TheMuso | ScottL: Some time next week at least. | 18:38 |
| ailo | So, ScottL, what do you think about my latest idea for the script. At first I thought to update -controls (which we still can do, of course), but this script could already do the base configuration for audio. | 19:03 |
| ailo | ScottL: It needs a great deal of more work, but if you try it, I'm sure you get the idea | 19:03 |
| ailo | ScottL: And if you do try it, make sure you are not in the audio group, or that you are on the -generic kernel. | 19:10 |
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