[00:00] <yofel> should be mostly the same from what I heard
[00:04] <coz_> hey all
[00:04] <yofel> hey coz_
[00:05] <coz_> yofel,  hey guy :)
[00:16] <penguin42> hey can some one paste bin a boot dmesg from a machine that boots reasonably fast?
[00:17] <coz_> penguin42,  my installation seems to be boot finiky... sometimes boots to login sometimes doesnt
[00:17] <penguin42> what happens when it doens't?
[00:17] <coz_> penguin42,  black screen  and I hit ctrl+alt+ delete
[00:17] <yofel> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554543/
[00:18] <coz_> penguin42,  reboots at that point
[00:18] <yofel> coz_: can you switch to tty at that point?
[00:18] <penguin42> yofel: Thanks - you sure you got enough discs on there?
[00:19] <coz_> yofel,  no   not at all
[00:19] <yofel> penguin42: yep, well, one is actually a 2 chip SSD connected by RAID0
[00:19] <penguin42> yeh
[00:19] <coz_> yofel,  not sure if it has to do with my scsi drives... ubuntu seems to be a bit finiky about scsi
[00:19] <yofel> coz_: does sysrq+k help? (alt+print+k) ?
[00:20] <coz_> yofel,   didnt try it ...will try on next boot though
[00:20] <coz_> sorry about that
[00:20] <coz_> damn fingers
[00:20] <yofel> that should kill anything on the tty you're on, including stuck plymouth or hung X
[00:21] <coz_> yofel,  I dont think its hangin   a  ctrl+alt+delete simply reboots the system immediately ...I dont think its even getting to grub
[00:21] <penguin42> yofel: OK, so the reason I asked was that in quite a few logs I've seen there is a big gap between the last disc mount and the 1st udev message - yours ther eisn't
[00:22] <yofel> coz_: depends where it is, if it didn't do much more than mount the disks then rebooting shouldn't take more than a second or 2
[00:22] <yofel> coz_: try to get to the grub menu though to make sure you get there
[00:22] <coz_> yofel,  which seems like what's happeniing
[00:22] <coz_> yofel,   cant get to grub menu at all.
[00:22] <BluesKaj> hehe, got my belkin usb wifi adapter working ,  which wouldn't work since jaunty ...go figure :)
[00:23] <yofel> hold left shift on bios init (I think)
[00:23] <coz_> :)
[00:23] <coz_> yofel,  unfortunately I tried that as well  ...nothing
[00:24] <BluesKaj> somebody fixed network-manager-kde ...whoever they I'd like to thank them
[00:24] <coz_> yofel,   I have to put  rootdelay=40 into default grub on natty  and maverick...I believe  lucid was ok dont recall... to avoid dropping to busybox.. initramfs
[00:24] <BluesKaj> whoever they are that is
[00:25] <coz_> there seems to be a nautilus issue  with the last few updates
[00:25] <yofel> coz_: o.O - does it actually show an error on boot before dropping to initramfs shell?
[00:26] <coz_> yofel,   no ...   when initramfs pops up  I just type   exit and it boots
[00:26] <coz_> yofel,   I have brought this up on numerous bug reports  because it never used to happen
[00:26] <coz_> yofel,  so apparenlty someone changed boot senario  for scsi devices
[00:27] <penguin42> that's weird - it could bit it's taking too long for the scsi devices to appear
[00:27] <yofel> try to replace 'quiet splash' with '--verbose' maybe, that'll make upstart more verbose (but it sound like it doesn't even get to start init :S)
[00:27] <coz_> so with a rootdelay=40   i do not have quick boots
[00:27] <penguin42> so, it gives up, drops you to initramfs but then it's managed it
[00:27] <coz_> penguin42,  right
[00:28] <coz_> I generally would have to wait about 3 seconds before typing   exit
[00:28] <coz_> I believe lucid  or jaunty  maybe didnt have this issue  not any version prior to that
[00:28] <penguin42> coz_: I've got odd boot delay problems on mine - it takes ~90 seconds to boot - it's just sitting there for some odd reason
[00:28] <coz_> penguin42,  I have noticed that as well
[00:28] <penguin42> lucid was fine, maverick was about 30, and natty is nearer 90
[00:29] <coz_> penguin42,   painful :)
[00:29] <coz_> natty has the fastest  shutdown though :)
[00:30] <Amaranth> penguin42: intel graphics?
[00:30] <penguin42> no, ati
[05:11] <gnomefreak> yay it seems i got unity working :) not sure how or why it is working now other than it is a pretty basic setup
[05:28] <gnomefreak> anyone else have windows grey out while using them? for example i was running firefox and irssi and firefox kept greying out, when i right clicked on a word "spell check" and the right click menu bounced all over the place at least to the right.
[05:39] <gnomefreak> anyone else unable to use "ubuntu-bugs <packagename>"?
[05:41] <yofel> it's ubuntu-bug
[05:41] <gnomefreak> yofel: doesnt work with or without the s
[05:41] <gnomefreak> same error
[05:42] <yofel> hm, apport-kde starts fine, apport-cli works fine too - so what's the error?
[05:43] <gnomefreak> yofel: one minute am i posting it to pastebin
[05:44] <gnomefreak> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554610/
[05:45] <gnomefreak> ah adding tthe s in bug seems to just error on it not being a command, but ubuntu-bug should work. maybe caused by the ayatana API?
[05:45] <yofel> hm, maybe something broke with that recent dbus stuff
[05:45] <yofel> use apport-cli until it's fixed
[05:46] <gnomefreak> apport-cli packagename?
[05:46] <yofel> yep
[05:46] <gnomefreak> thanks
[05:47] <gyger> anyone else able to install the unity files and application places yet?
[05:47] <gyger> i ask bc i have not,
[05:49] <gnomefreak> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554612/
[05:50] <gnomefreak> gyger: no just what you get from apt-get upgrade, som eof unity packages are held back due to the API changes
[05:50] <yofel> there is no openoffice package, and what does 'apt-cache policy openoffice.org' tell you? (pastebin)
[05:50] <gnomefreak> i used upgrade adn unity works here
[05:51] <gnomefreak> yofel: openoffice.org - office productivity suite   is a package
[05:51] <yofel> openoffice.org yes, openoffice no
[05:51] <gyger> gnomefreak: i have unity... just none of the really cool places that from what i heard were supposed to land thursday-ish... thats what i get for listening to the news
[05:53]  * gnomefreak not sure what you heard but until the API changes are implemented alot of packages are held back
[05:53] <gnomefreak> see topic for more info
[05:54] <gnomefreak> yofel: they both give same output
[05:54] <yofel> gnomefreak: well, what's the apt-cache policy output?
[05:54] <yofel> pastebin the  full output please
[05:55] <gnomefreak> let me check held back packages to see if API bug is causing this. i cant pstebin the whole search output, IIRC there is a limit on how much you post to pastebin.ubuntu
[05:56] <gnomefreak> oh you want policy ok one minute
[05:56] <yofel> since the .org once errors with non-genuine - I need the policy output there
[05:57] <gnomefreak> yofel: i get this feeling that openoffice was removed  since it is not installed here, not sure if it due to having libreoffice repo, but even than i dont have that installed due to the depends. they are kde/qt deps
[05:59] <gnomefreak> i added oplicy for libreoffice just to show you it is not installed either http://paste.ubuntu.com/554613/
[06:00] <yofel> that isn't the problem - the problem is that the candidate comes from "      500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages" - which isn't an official ubuntu repository -> apport doesn't support filing PPA bugs unless explicitely told to do so
[06:00] <gnomefreak> yofel: here is dpkg -l openoffice* output http://paste.ubuntu.com/554614/
[06:01] <gnomefreak> yofel: that should not effect OO.o since libre is not installed either
[06:01] <yofel> gnomefreak: doesn't matter, the candidate to be installed is from the PPA -> apport will fails
[06:01] <yofel> *fail
[06:02] <gnomefreak> just having the archive should not effect anything, however when i run dist-upgrade it shos that openoffice is going to be upgraded however it is held back due to APi changes
[06:02] <yofel> having the PPA enabled does affect apport, in this case it's nonsense, but apport will still think it's a PPA package
[06:03] <gnomefreak> see http://paste.ubuntu.com/554615/ for output from upgrade
[06:04] <yofel> since I don't have much gnome stuff installed here my list isn't as long, but I've got things kept back too
[06:04] <gnomefreak> how would OO.o have anything to do with libreoffce since both can be installed side by side. apport used to be able to ignore the PPA and still work fine
[06:05] <gyger> im just curious: is there a place where we can see how the api change is coming along...
[06:06] <gnomefreak> gyger: other than the link in /t i havent looked further maybe there is a bug on it. i only read that one email but im sure there is replys to the message in /t
[06:07] <gnomefreak> yofel: i will  disable libre PPa and see what happens. but if you look at the dpkg -l output it shows openoffice.org is installed however policy shows it is not. be back in a few minutes need a smoke
[06:08] <gyger> gnomefreak:  /t == topic?
[06:08] <gyger> sorry
[06:09] <yofel> gnomefreak: that dpkg -l output has cropped package names - you would need to get the full names for the output to be useful
[06:13] <gnomefreak> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554616/  now im going for a smoke while you read it  gyger yes /t or /topic can be used to read topic
[06:13] <gyger> gnomefreak: thx
[06:21] <gnomefreak> yofel: here is a better dpkg -l http://paste.ubuntu.com/554617/
[06:22] <gnomefreak> i guess i can try apport on openoffice.org-gnome or openoffice.org-gtk but by the output of every other ubuntu-bug i would say its apport that has the problem
[06:22] <yofel> try to use 'apport-cli openoffice.org-core' to report whatever you want to report
[06:23] <yofel> gnomefreak: no, apport-gtk as serious problems with gio - thus unusable until fixed, use apport-cli
[06:23] <yofel> or apport-kde, but I guess you don't want that
[06:30] <gnomefreak> yeah apport-cli seems to work
[06:35] <gnomefreak> still not sure why firefox is greying out when being used
[06:39] <gnomefreak> to replace OO.o with Libreoffice is a bad idea until/if they make a gnome/gtk packages as of right now kde/qt apps/libs are to be installed
[08:07] <wzssyqa> is there something wrong with cairo-dock metapackage and cairo-dock-plug-ins which did not update to libwebkitgtk?
[09:35] <dupondje> gdm partly broken ? get no desktop items / filemanager doens't start ?
[10:49] <geser> my classic desktop started today without problems (even my gnome-panel was visible from beginning)
[11:21] <danyR> hi everyone. is anyone else not getting tomboy/gwibber/transmission quicklists in Unity 3.2.12 (newest version)?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> hi all
[14:18] <BUGabundo> yo o/
[14:19] <BUGabundo> soooo much breakage
[14:19] <BUGabundo> can't even start nautilus
[14:19] <BUGabundo> compiz is broken too
[14:21] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo
[14:21] <charlie-tca> Must be a really good release coming, huh?
[14:22] <BUGabundo> LOL
[14:22] <BUGabundo> so unity is a mess and classic doesn't work
[14:23] <BUGabundo> are we making a Desktop environment. or a Cloud OS? :)
[14:24] <charlie-tca> I didn't think anyone got Cloud to work yet, did they?
[14:24] <BluesKaj> kde seems to have weathered the upgrade quite well
[14:24] <penguin42> gnome classic desktop on <--- is OK, and KDE 4 on ---> is OK
[14:25] <BUGabundo> penguin42: full upgrade?
[14:25] <BUGabundo> I've got a bunch of miss match upgrages
[14:25] <BUGabundo> one of them wants to remove ubuntu-desktop
[14:25] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I upgraded <--- prior to Alpha1 and ---> more recently
[14:25] <penguin42> yeh I think ubuntu-desktop did go at one point - but it's only a meta
[14:26] <BUGabundo> I do upgrades daily :)
[14:26] <BUGabundo> isn't that how it is supposed to be done?
[14:27] <BUGabundo> how do you like that  ? http://p.bugabundo.net/a-francesinha
[14:29] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be upgraded:
[14:29] <BUGabundo>   bamfdaemon banshee banshee-extension-soundmenu gimp libbamf0 libubuntuone-1.0-1 python-webkit rhythmbox rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder rhythmbox-plugins  shotwell yelp
[14:29] <BUGabundo> The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
[14:29] <BUGabundo>   banshee-extension-ubuntuonemusicstore
[14:29] <BUGabundo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:29] <BUGabundo>   libwebkitgtk-1.0-common: Conflicts: libwebkit-1.0-common but 1.2.5-0ubuntu3 is installed.
[14:31] <charlie-tca> the   libwebkitgtk    is what I am waiting for. I don't know if I want to run upgrades until it is resolved.
[14:31] <BUGabundo> I had to manually install a few
[14:31] <BUGabundo> to break dependecies
[14:31] <BUGabundo> its all messed up
[14:32] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be REMOVED:  banshee{a} banshee-extension-soundmenu{a} libgkeyfile1.0-cil{u} libgudev1.0-cil{u} libmono-zeroconf1.0-cil{u} libtaglib2.0-cil{u}
[14:32] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be upgraded:  bamfdaemon libbamf0
[14:32] <BUGabundo> not the best alternative :s
[14:33] <evilvish> ha! \o/ i
[14:33] <evilvish> 'm not alone...
[14:33] <BUGabundo> evil ?
[14:33] <BUGabundo> heck
[14:33]  * BUGabundo presses YES
[14:34] <evilvish> yea.. kinda annoying, had to mark and try not to break anything.. :/
[14:34] <evilvish> BUGabundo: was always evil.. just made it official ;p
[14:35] <BUGabundo> lol
[14:37] <evilvish> what's the national layout/standard latin layout?
[14:37] <yofel> hm, seems like you really need to have gnome or unity installed to have breakage these days
[14:37] <yofel> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[14:37] <yofel> boring..
[14:38] <BUGabundo> ahahaha
[14:38] <evilvish> yofel: just a few more releases, and we'll make it interesting you KDE too ;)
[14:38] <evilvish> interesting for*
[14:38] <yofel> I'll just have to wait for kde 4.7 :P
[14:39] <evilvish> regarding the layout? what's it for? i just selected the default "caps lock" and installed..
[14:40] <yofel> that felt ages ago.. I think I went with no combination for the switcher
[14:40] <yofel> it messed up my console setup though back then
[14:40] <evilvish> yea, i had not updated for a week..
[14:40] <evilvish> oh! 0.o
[14:41] <yofel> preferring us or afghanistan for a german keyboard is suboptimal
[14:41] <yofel> thatks god us was the default
[14:41] <yofel> *thanks
[14:42] <BUGabundo> now u made me recall the migration of KDE 3.5 to 4.0
[14:42] <BUGabundo> oh man, that was messed up
[14:42] <penguin42> oh yeh, the us,af bug is the funnest one of this cycle so far
[14:42] <BUGabundo> I had to build batches based on trunk, just so I could use some apps
[14:43] <evilvish> well, next cycle will probably be gnome 2.x > 3.0 , which will be equally messed up ;)
[14:43] <BUGabundo> good time to move to unity then :)
[14:43] <BUGabundo> NOT
[14:58] <BUGabundo> so now I need a file explorer that works, till nautilus is fixed
[14:58] <BUGabundo> suggestions?
[14:58] <penguin42> is it thunar from xfce ?
[14:59] <BUGabundo> no idea
[14:59] <penguin42> yeh, thunar
[15:01] <BUGabundo> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[15:01] <BUGabundo>   exo-utils{a} libexo-1-0{a} libexo-common{a} libgarcon-1-0{a} libgarcon-common{a} libthunarx-2-0{a} libtumbler-1-0{a} libxfce4ui-1-0{a}   libxfce4util-bin{a} libxfce4util-common{a} libxfce4util4{a} libxfconf-0-2{a} thunar thunar-data{a} thunar-volman{a} tumbler{a} tumbler-common{a}   xfce-keyboard-shortcuts{a} xfce4-panel{a} xfconf{a}
[15:01] <BUGabundo> penguin42: hummm not the best alternative :(
[15:01]  * BUGabundo smacks charlie-tca
[15:01] <penguin42> shrugs
[15:02] <BUGabundo> what does KDE use this days?
[15:02] <BUGabundo> dolphin?
[15:02] <penguin42> yeh
[15:02] <BUGabundo>   dolphin kfind{a} libkonq5-templates{a} libkonq5a{a}
[15:03] <charlie-tca> huh
[15:03]  * charlie-tca just woke up after getting slapped so hard
[15:04] <BUGabundo> ahah
[15:04] <charlie-tca> didn't I say don't do that yet?
[15:04] <BUGabundo> :(
[15:04]  * BUGabundo hugs charlie-tca
[15:15] <rye> hi, anybody here having any issues with nautilus crashing ater the latest update?
[15:15] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: ^ ^
[15:16] <BUGabundo> blast... dolphin is not previewing jpgs :(
[15:16] <BUGabundo> rye: dead for me
[15:17] <BUGabundo> nothing in xsession-errors
[15:18] <rye> BUGabundo, i have the stack trace
[15:18] <BUGabundo> not here
[15:18] <rye> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[15:18] <rye> net_workarea_changed (icon_view=0xbb9400, window=<value optimized out>)
[15:18] <rye>     at fm-desktop-icon-view.c:272
[15:18] <BUGabundo> maybe some plugin
[15:19] <om26er> is it *-0ubuntu5 ?
[15:19] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 1:2.32.2.1-0ubuntu5
[15:20] <om26er> didrocks patched nautilus for a crash few hours ago, seems that caused it, report the bug and subscribe him I would say
[15:20] <rye> 2.32.2.1-0ubuntu4
[15:20] <rye> i believe i am outdated then
[15:21] <BUGabundo> rye: 5 doesn't work either
[15:21] <BUGabundo> let me see if I have the old one to downgrade
[15:22] <BUGabundo> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  1.3M 2011-01-11 18:05 nautilus_1%3a2.32.2.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[15:22] <BUGabundo> with me luck
[15:22] <BUGabundo> *wish
[15:23] <BUGabundo> s$ sudo dpkg -i nautilus_1%3a2.32.2.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb nautilus-data_1%3a2.32.2.1-0ubuntu3_all.deb libnautilus-extension1_1%3a2.32.2.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb
[15:28] <charlie-tca> good luck, BUGabundo
[15:29] <BUGabundo> no luck
[15:29] <BUGabundo> doesn't start
[15:29] <BUGabundo> so something else is messing it
[15:29] <BUGabundo> not just nautilus packages
[15:31] <rye> hm -0ubuntu5 worked for me
[15:32] <BUGabundo> strange
[15:32] <BUGabundo> maybe I need a reboot
[15:33] <Amaranth> I am as up-to-date as I can get without uninstalling important things and everything works for me
[15:34] <Amaranth> I don't have the latest compiz, unity, or indicator stuff since they are all kinds of fubar right now
[15:34] <Amaranth> We are going through a compiz plugin ABI change and a dbusmenu ABI change at the same time
[15:35] <Amaranth> So those all fail for using the wrong compiz or the wrong dbusmenu
[15:36]  * BluesKaj decides to postpone gnome desktop for a bit ...maybe in a few weeks I'll try it on my other natty install
[15:39] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: latest compiz here
[15:39] <BUGabundo> just not extra
[15:40]  * Amaranth pushed an extras package to bzr
[15:40] <Amaranth> I guess I should just upload it
[15:40] <BluesKaj> in the meantime kde4.6RC2 seems to be holding it's own
[15:43] <BUGabundo> Amaranth: The following packages have unmet dependencies:  compiz-fusion-plugins-extra: Depends: compiz-core-abiversion-20101111 which is a virtual package.
[15:43] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: I know
[15:44] <BUGabundo> kk
[15:44] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: here in a couple minutes a new package will be heading for the archive
[15:44] <Amaranth> well, heading for the build queue anyway
[15:45] <BUGabundo> thanks
[15:45] <Amaranth> I thought didrocks did it on friday... :/
[15:48] <BUGabundo> Chocolate Chunk Cookies!
[16:00] <IdleOne> !info gimp
[16:11] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: I'm a little rusty on package uploading so it took longer than expected but a new extra package is uploaded now
[16:11] <BUGabundo> :)
[16:11] <Amaranth> BUGabundo: You'll have it by the end of the day, at any rate
[16:11] <BUGabundo> no hurry
[16:11] <Amaranth> Just have to wait for build and publish
[16:11] <BUGabundo> I can't even start regular compiz right now
[16:11] <BUGabundo> so extra has time
[17:01] <evilvish> BUGabundo: $ gksudo nautilus  works..
[17:01] <evilvish> just to have a file manager for now..
[17:02] <BUGabundo> LOL
[17:02] <BUGabundo> and breaking everything else
[17:02] <BUGabundo> so is it dbus and user land?
[17:12] <MrMeh_> I'm trying to test out unity-2d, but whenever i try installing unity-2d-default-settings, it tells me that it wont be installed! http://paste.ubuntu.com/554785/
[17:16] <penguin42> oh I didn't know that existed - I'm glad it does
[17:17] <penguin42> MrMeh_: Sounds like some broken/changing packages
[17:18] <MrMeh_> penguin42 at the end, it tells me that it's related to libunity0, but it still doesnt want to install! :/
[17:19] <MrMeh_> It has no reason for not installing, it just doesn't want to; it just hates me! :(
[17:33] <MrMeh_> Okay In order to get Unity 2D installed, I have to get libunity0 install. However, that libindicator1 as a dependency. When I tried to install it, it told me that it's gonna remove everything including Unity itself, software center, transmission, nautilus, etc!! Help?
[17:33] <yofel> see /topic - the package probably still needs to be fixed
[17:34] <MrMeh_> Other people were able to install this.
[17:34] <yofel> I can't install libindicator1 and unity at the same time either
[17:39] <dupondje> BUGabundo: nautilus also broken here :(
[17:39] <robbit10> I read in the alpha 1 release notes, that Ubuntu+1 will use Unity. Does that mean having Unity as the default desktop, in the desktop edition? Not the netbook one, but desktop? In other words, Ubuntu is moving on to a different interface?
[17:40] <yofel> yep, unity will be the default desktop shell
[17:40] <robbit10> finally some drastic changes in the Ubuntu desktop
[17:41] <WaltherFI> Wait a second - a tablet-like UI as default?
[17:42] <dupondje> Any hints on what app I best use to make a backup of my whole system ?
[17:43] <robbit10> Unity looks very promising. Is the stable netbook version in Ubuntu 10.10 usable on a desktop computer?
[17:46] <charlie-tca> Why would you want that if Natty is available for the desktop?
[17:47] <WaltherFI> charlie-tca: face it, some people don't want to use a dev version that is not even alpha 2
[18:03] <evilvish> o.0
[18:04] <charlie-tca> Then they should be in #ubuntu instead of #ubuntu+1
[18:05] <charlie-tca> WaltherFI: by being in this channel, they are looking at Natty, the development version. Not the stable releases :-)
[18:06] <WaltherFI> charlie-tca: still, this is one of the support channels right? you should ansewer the questions - maybe some people are indeed "looking at" the dev version
[18:06] <charlie-tca> um, this is only support for development versions
[18:07] <evilvish> WaltherFI: charlie-tca nor anyone else here does not *have* to ans any Q
[18:08] <WaltherFI> oh, i did not mean to be offensive, don't get mad please
[18:08] <evilvish> cool.. :)
[18:09] <WaltherFI> but like him, i am thoroughly interested at the idea of unity being the default
[18:09] <WaltherFI> and i am not sure if i am interested at the idea in a positive way
[18:10] <evilvish> WaltherFI: unity is the default for Ubuntu 11.04 , and yes it is modelled over the netbook UI, but will have modifications to suit desktop usage
[18:10] <charlie-tca> The fact is that this is a very specialised support channel. It is not for general help
[18:10] <evilvish> so is gnome-shell btw
[18:11] <WaltherFI> hmm... what about the current gnome-desktop?
[18:12] <WaltherFI> is it going to be discontinued / unsupported?
[18:12] <mlmg317-himts> K.  So I just upgraded to Natty Narwhal.  Now - when I try to run "sudo freshclam" in Terminal - it tells me freshclam.log is locked by another process - and that there is a problem with the internal logger.  How do I fix this?
[18:12] <richthegeek> hi all - how is Unity meant to work with 2+ monitors?
[18:13] <mlmg317-himts> This has never happened before.  I was told that Natty Narwhal is not yet released and not yet stable.  Thoughts?
[18:13] <yofel> WaltherFI: current gnome desktop is available as classic desktop and will probably be replaced by gnome 3 in natty+1
[18:13] <mlmg317-himts> For starters - how do I unlock freshclam.log - or any other file for that matter?
[18:13] <WaltherFI> mlmg317-himts: sorry to say, but it is not even alpha 2 stage yet, so you'll probably run into many random errors
[18:14] <yofel> mlmg317-himts: try to use lsof on the logfile, that might tell you what process is locking it
[18:14] <WaltherFI> yofel: so unity will be default in natty, and we go back in gnome at natty+1 ?
[18:14] <yofel> WaltherFI: that I do not know
[18:14] <WaltherFI> not rational, imo
[18:15] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: So I run "lsof" in Terminal?  You might have to step me through this a bit ...
[18:15] <yofel> mlmg317-himts: lsof <file>
[18:15] <richthegeek> mlmg317-himts: lsof = list open files - depending on what you want you can filter by UID, PID, (grep for) directory, etc..
[18:16] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: OK.  So when I run "lsof freshclam.log" - it tells me there is no such file or directory.  I'm like, "WHAT !?"
[18:16] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: This is WACKED OUT ...
[18:17] <richthegeek> mlmg317-himts: it just means that that file is not currently open (being used, thus "locked") in the system
[18:17] <WaltherFI> mlmg317-himts: where is the file located
[18:17] <WaltherFI> mlmg317-himts: you can't just run it on /home, can you
[18:17] <WaltherFI> the file is somewhere else
[18:17] <WaltherFI> i guess
[18:18] <mlmg317-himts> WaltherFI: No - I usually run it on the entire file system.  I don't really know where it is located.  Can't I run a command in Terminal to figure this out?
[18:18] <richthegeek> locate
[18:19] <mlmg317-himts> WaltherFI: OK - /var/log/clamav ...
[18:20] <WaltherFI> mlmg317-himts: cd there, then run the lsof command
[18:21] <mlmg317-himts> WaltherFI: K.  Done.  Now what?
[18:21] <WaltherFI> mlmg317-himts: what does it show now?
[18:21] <mlmg317-himts> WaltherFI: A very long list of stuff ...
[18:21] <richthegeek> it'll show you the PID of the process locking that file, using "kill -1 ###" on it
[18:21] <mlmg317-himts> WaltherFI: What should I be looking for?
[18:22] <WaltherFI> mlmg317-himts: well now you see the list of processes that lock the file
[18:22] <yofel> mlmg317-himts: did you run lsof <file> in the clamav folder? just lsof will list all open files
[18:24] <mlmg317-himts> WaltherFI: Maybe I'm doing something wrong.  So I have ".... /var/log/clamav$ ... then I paste "lsof ... [WHAT?]"
[18:24] <yofel> mlmg317-himts: the file you were looking for?
[18:25] <WaltherFI> mlmg317-himts: i don't personally know about that command, scroll up and see how the person above used the command
[18:26] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: I entered in "lsof freshclam.log".  I get nothing.  It just pops up "... /var/log/clamav$" again ...
[18:26] <yofel> hm, then the file shouldn't be locked...
[18:26] <yofel> maybe try sudo lsof..
[18:28] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: OK - there we go.  So now I get this result: "
[18:28] <mlmg317-himts> WARNING: can't stat() fuse file system /home/mlmg317-himts/.gvfs
[18:28] <mlmg317-himts>       Output information may be incomplete.
[18:28] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: What do you make of it?
[18:29] <yofel> ok, that's essentially none - should look similiar to this taking syslog as an example http://paste.ubuntu.com/554811/
[18:29] <tsimpson> root (or rather any user who isn't you) can't read fuse filesystems that it didn't mount
[18:29] <yofel> does freshclam still fail?
[18:30] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: Yes.  Just tried running "sudo freshclam" again - same result ...
[18:30] <mlmg317-himts> tsimpson: You'll have to explain a little further - I don't quite understand ...
[18:30] <yofel> then I'm personally out of ideas
[18:31] <mlmg317-himts> tsimpson: fuse filesystems?
[18:31] <mlmg317-himts> tsimpson: Then what do you suggest?
[18:31] <tsimpson> mlmg317-himts: well, gvfs is fuse-like, as it's all in userspace
[18:32] <tsimpson> just ignore the warning from lsof there, that's all I meant
[18:33] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: OK - so tsimpson said to ignore the warning.  So it does list the file "freshclam.log" ... so the file IS there ...
[18:33] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: Man this annoying ...
[18:33] <yofel> mlmg317-himts: what does lsof list the file?
[18:33] <yofel> *what,
[18:33] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: ?
[18:33] <yofel> mlmg317-himts: does lsof list the file or not?
[18:34] <mlmg317-himts> yofel:
[18:34] <mlmg317-himts> COMMAND    PID   USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF   NODE NAME
[18:34] <mlmg317-himts> freshclam 1313 clamav    3wW  REG    8,1      823 394925 freshclam.log
[18:34] <yofel> see, freshclam is already running!
[18:34] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: Oh really.  OK - so how do I know when it's finished?
[18:35] <yofel> no idea, I don't use clamav myself
[18:35] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: That would be why ...
[18:35] <yofel> maybe it was triggered by cron
[18:35] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: Interesting ...
[18:35] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: cron.  What's that?
[18:35] <yofel> automatic, scheduled service execution - read the manpage
[18:36] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: OK - very good.  So it does auto updates now in Natty Narwhal?
[18:36] <yofel> maybe? I don't know
[18:36] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: Interesting.  Well - I'll come back to this later ...
[18:36] <mlmg317-himts> yofel: Thank you, though !!!
[18:36] <yofel> np
[18:55] <ari-tczew> does java works fine on natty?
[18:55] <ari-tczew> my firefox couldn
[18:55] <ari-tczew> could not handle with some java cases
[19:20] <coz_> is anyone experiencing nautilus restarting after making changes  with nvidia or  cairo dock..or opening or closing certain applications
[20:18] <MickStep> Hey anyone running natty and using the nvidia driver?
[20:18] <MickStep> I need some help diagnosing a bug and getting it confirmed
[20:20] <yofel> here, what's the bug though?
[20:20] <MickStep> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637757
[20:20] <MickStep> Banshee crasher
[20:21] <MickStep> I just discovered it the crash doesn't happen when your running metacity, so it's compiz related
[20:21] <yofel> I don't use either, so probably can't help
[20:21]  * yofel uses KDE
[20:22] <MickStep> you could always install compiz
[20:22] <MickStep> and banshee
[20:22] <yofel> sure, but I'm not going to try compiz-kde, that usually crashes by itself, and installing gnome will take a while
[20:22] <MickStep> enable the kde plugin in compiz and do compiz --replace
[20:23] <rww> People actually run Compiz instead of KWin o.O?
[20:23] <MickStep> rww: evidently some nutters do
[20:23] <MickStep> very few I suspect
[20:23] <yofel> they do, we get a few people asking for help in #kubuntu about compiz-kde being broken. I don't like it
[20:23] <yofel> esp. since it really doesn't get much Q/A
[20:23] <MickStep> some people just like to be different
[20:24] <rww> I guess the quest for fire-emitting wobbly windows on a cube knows no bounds.
[20:24] <yofel> probably...
[20:24] <MickStep> rww: indeed
[20:24] <MickStep> so no one else running nvidia?
[20:26] <charlie-tca> I run nvidia with Xubuntu, not with compiz
[20:27] <MickStep> charlie-tca: cool, just install compiz and do compiz --replace, it's easily remedied with a metacity --replace, no lasting harm done.
[20:27] <charlie-tca> heh, I have had a really bad time with compiz
[20:28] <charlie-tca> but let me boot my spare up
[20:28] <MickStep> charlie-tca: you'll only have to run it long enough to allow banshee to crash
[20:28] <MickStep> charlie-tca: thanks
[20:28] <charlie-tca> and it is so important I don't time to throw an nvidia card in the spare and boot it?
[20:30] <MickStep> I don't know, whether it's important enough for your time is up to you.
[20:30] <MickStep> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637757 That's the bug
[20:31] <charlie-tca> booting now
[20:32] <charlie-tca> natty with nvidia with hardware drivers?
[20:32] <MickStep> yeah
[20:41] <charlie-tca> losing fast here. no hardware driver wants to install today
[20:42] <MickStep> odd
[20:42] <MickStep> what happens if you do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 in the terminal
[20:43] <bjsnider> that package does not exist
[20:44] <MickStep> 185 then, that one does exist
[20:44] <yofel> that was a transitional package
[20:44] <yofel> the proper package is nvidia-current
[20:44] <yofel> and you should use jockey anyway
[20:45] <Chelsea> Hi all, Mesa 7.10 and X 1.1 are coming to 11.04.... Can anyone explain what that means?
[20:45] <yofel> new Xserver and opengl libs?
[20:45] <MickStep> fair enough listen to yofel
[20:48] <MickStep> charlie-tca: Any luck?
[20:48] <charlie-tca> installing the nvidia driver
[20:48] <MickStep> cool
[20:49] <charlie-tca> seems like my computer doesn't like changing between nvidia and ATI
[20:50] <MickStep> charlie-tca: I've ran into problems with that in the past
[20:54] <charlie-tca> Okay, I give up
[20:54] <MickStep> :(
[20:54] <charlie-tca> can't install banshee due to broken dependcies on libwebkitgtk
[20:54] <MickStep> yeah I had that problem the other day
[20:55] <MickStep> What it is, is that some other applications depend on a different version of libwebkit gtk, midori is one of them
[20:55] <MickStep> you can install the version banshee wants but it will uninstall midori
[20:56] <charlie-tca> What caused midori to install?
[20:56] <charlie-tca> this is a default installation of Ubuntu
[20:56] <MickStep> I installed it myself personally
[20:57] <MickStep> it might be another program pulling the other webkit
[20:57] <MickStep> there was a few
[20:57] <charlie-tca> well, maybe in a few days, when this stuff gets fixed, it will work, then.
[20:58] <MickStep> if you do sudo apt-get install libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 it will prompt you with a list of what is going to be uninstalled
[20:58] <MickStep> then you can choose not to do it
[21:01] <MickStep> Anyone else with nvidia and natty?
[21:01] <MickStep> thanks for the effort charlie :)
[21:05] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[21:46] <BUGabundo> hey guys
[21:47] <BUGabundo> got a friend with an i5 that's not being set on demand
[21:47] <BUGabundo> any tips?
[21:49] <yofel> hm, that should be done by /etc/init.d/ondemand sometime after boot
[21:50] <yofel> maybe check what 'cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors' gives, should return one line per cpu containing
[21:50] <yofel> conservative ondemand userspace powersave performance
[21:50] <yofel> if that's the case then the init script doesn't get run I guess
[21:50] <BUGabundo> thanks yofel
[21:51] <BUGabundo> was looking for the path
[21:51] <BUGabundo> giving him a new kernel from the PPA
[21:58] <BUGabundo> yofel: you know of any cli way to change all cores?
[21:59] <BUGabundo> I used to echo , but that's single core old times
[21:59] <BUGabundo> even gnome applet takes ONE per CORE
[21:59] <yofel> not really. maybe use echo with a wildard, but I haven't tried that yet
[22:00] <yofel> hm, that won't work
[22:00] <BUGabundo> don't expect it to work
[22:00] <BUGabundo> what's  drm-intel-next branch ?
[22:03] <psusi> BUGabundo, one echo per core...
[22:04] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:04] <yofel> you could use a for loop in bash
[22:04] <BUGabundo> cpufreq-set -c 0 -g ondemand
[22:05] <psusi> I have cpufreq-selector, not cpufreq-set
[22:06] <BUGabundo> and -r does all cores
[22:06] <BUGabundo> psusi: he is on maverick
[22:06] <BUGabundo> maybe diff app
[22:07] <BUGabundo> oh he installed cpufreq
[22:07] <psusi> so am I.. looks liek you have to install cpufrequtils package for that one
[22:08] <BUGabundo> maybe
[22:09] <BUGabundo> Couldn't find package "cpufreq".  However, the following
[22:10] <BUGabundo>   cpufreq stats: 2.40 GHz:10.49%, 2.00 GHz:0.93%, 1.60 GHz:1.71%, 1.20 GHz:86.88%  (181040)
[22:11] <BUGabundo> I miss having an interactive scheduler
[22:12] <BUGabundo> ondemand is toooo slow
[22:19] <AndyE12> Hello, I just installed ubuntu natty Narwhal. Whenever I go to install updates I go from 700+ k/bs a sec and than it hangs to bytes per sec. From there it never moves and I just have to cancel it. Also, trying to install drivers from "Additional drivers" and it does the same thing. This happens wireless and wired - my network is fine when I dual boot to windows.
[22:20] <BUGabundo> AndyE12: change mirror ?
[22:22] <AndyE12> Just tried that - same result.
[22:23] <AndyE12> Went from 120k/bs and now sitting at 215 bytes/sec
[22:23] <AndyE12> Than it hangs
[22:23] <BUGabundo> strange
[22:23] <BUGabundo> please close all APT instance
[22:23] <BUGabundo> open a console and try this
[22:24] <BUGabundo> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install aptitude
[22:24] <BUGabundo> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:26] <AndyE12> Unable to locate package safe-upgrade
[22:27] <BUGabundo> oops
[22:27] <BUGabundo> did you install aptitude ?
[22:28] <AndyE12> I can not install anything. Everything hangs after a few seconds
[22:28] <bjsnider> i think apt-get upgrade basically does the same thing as aptitude safe-upgrade at this point
[22:28] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:29] <BUGabundo> but when you got messed dependecies, I've always been able to depend more on aptitude and less on apt-get
[22:30] <AndyE12> When trying to install aptitude I get "Waiting for jockey-backend to exit"
[22:31] <AndyE12> I also get that error when trying to do updates but got around it earlier and have not seen that error since this morning.
[22:31] <BUGabundo> strange
[22:31] <BUGabundo> can't reproduce here
[22:31] <BUGabundo> what GPU?
[22:32] <AndyE12> Ati
[22:33] <bjsnider> sudo killall jockey-backend
[22:33] <AndyE12> Download starts and than hangs
[22:35] <AndyE12> Grabbed a random file 100mb file and downloaded it and it ran at 1.2 mb sec and no hangs.
[22:48] <charlie-tca> I done good! upgraded both ati and nvidia installs, broke both of them... :-)
[22:48] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:49] <charlie-tca> Well, you know, if one don't work, try the other?
[22:52] <charlie-tca> well, that might have been bad, too
[22:57] <BUGabundo> night
[23:36] <Ohelig> I get a "Not all updates can be installed" when trying to update