| yofel | should be mostly the same from what I heard | 00:00 |
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| coz_ | hey all | 00:04 |
| yofel | hey coz_ | 00:04 |
| coz_ | yofel, hey guy :) | 00:05 |
| penguin42 | hey can some one paste bin a boot dmesg from a machine that boots reasonably fast? | 00:16 |
| coz_ | penguin42, my installation seems to be boot finiky... sometimes boots to login sometimes doesnt | 00:17 |
| penguin42 | what happens when it doens't? | 00:17 |
| coz_ | penguin42, black screen and I hit ctrl+alt+ delete | 00:17 |
| yofel | penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554543/ | 00:17 |
| coz_ | penguin42, reboots at that point | 00:18 |
| yofel | coz_: can you switch to tty at that point? | 00:18 |
| penguin42 | yofel: Thanks - you sure you got enough discs on there? | 00:18 |
| coz_ | yofel, no not at all | 00:19 |
| yofel | penguin42: yep, well, one is actually a 2 chip SSD connected by RAID0 | 00:19 |
| penguin42 | yeh | 00:19 |
| coz_ | yofel, not sure if it has to do with my scsi drives... ubuntu seems to be a bit finiky about scsi | 00:19 |
| yofel | coz_: does sysrq+k help? (alt+print+k) ? | 00:19 |
| coz_ | yofel, didnt try it ...will try on next boot though | 00:20 |
| coz_ | sorry about that | 00:20 |
| coz_ | damn fingers | 00:20 |
| yofel | that should kill anything on the tty you're on, including stuck plymouth or hung X | 00:20 |
| coz_ | yofel, I dont think its hangin a ctrl+alt+delete simply reboots the system immediately ...I dont think its even getting to grub | 00:21 |
| penguin42 | yofel: OK, so the reason I asked was that in quite a few logs I've seen there is a big gap between the last disc mount and the 1st udev message - yours ther eisn't | 00:21 |
| yofel | coz_: depends where it is, if it didn't do much more than mount the disks then rebooting shouldn't take more than a second or 2 | 00:22 |
| yofel | coz_: try to get to the grub menu though to make sure you get there | 00:22 |
| coz_ | yofel, which seems like what's happeniing | 00:22 |
| coz_ | yofel, cant get to grub menu at all. | 00:22 |
| BluesKaj | hehe, got my belkin usb wifi adapter working , which wouldn't work since jaunty ...go figure :) | 00:22 |
| yofel | hold left shift on bios init (I think) | 00:23 |
| coz_ | :) | 00:23 |
| coz_ | yofel, unfortunately I tried that as well ...nothing | 00:23 |
| BluesKaj | somebody fixed network-manager-kde ...whoever they I'd like to thank them | 00:24 |
| coz_ | yofel, I have to put rootdelay=40 into default grub on natty and maverick...I believe lucid was ok dont recall... to avoid dropping to busybox.. initramfs | 00:24 |
| BluesKaj | whoever they are that is | 00:24 |
| coz_ | there seems to be a nautilus issue with the last few updates | 00:25 |
| yofel | coz_: o.O - does it actually show an error on boot before dropping to initramfs shell? | 00:25 |
| coz_ | yofel, no ... when initramfs pops up I just type exit and it boots | 00:26 |
| coz_ | yofel, I have brought this up on numerous bug reports because it never used to happen | 00:26 |
| coz_ | yofel, so apparenlty someone changed boot senario for scsi devices | 00:26 |
| penguin42 | that's weird - it could bit it's taking too long for the scsi devices to appear | 00:27 |
| yofel | try to replace 'quiet splash' with '--verbose' maybe, that'll make upstart more verbose (but it sound like it doesn't even get to start init :S) | 00:27 |
| coz_ | so with a rootdelay=40 i do not have quick boots | 00:27 |
| penguin42 | so, it gives up, drops you to initramfs but then it's managed it | 00:27 |
| coz_ | penguin42, right | 00:27 |
| coz_ | I generally would have to wait about 3 seconds before typing exit | 00:28 |
| coz_ | I believe lucid or jaunty maybe didnt have this issue not any version prior to that | 00:28 |
| penguin42 | coz_: I've got odd boot delay problems on mine - it takes ~90 seconds to boot - it's just sitting there for some odd reason | 00:28 |
| coz_ | penguin42, I have noticed that as well | 00:28 |
| penguin42 | lucid was fine, maverick was about 30, and natty is nearer 90 | 00:28 |
| coz_ | penguin42, painful :) | 00:29 |
| coz_ | natty has the fastest shutdown though :) | 00:29 |
| Amaranth | penguin42: intel graphics? | 00:30 |
| penguin42 | no, ati | 00:30 |
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| gnomefreak | yay it seems i got unity working :) not sure how or why it is working now other than it is a pretty basic setup | 05:11 |
| gnomefreak | anyone else have windows grey out while using them? for example i was running firefox and irssi and firefox kept greying out, when i right clicked on a word "spell check" and the right click menu bounced all over the place at least to the right. | 05:28 |
| gnomefreak | anyone else unable to use "ubuntu-bugs <packagename>"? | 05:39 |
| yofel | it's ubuntu-bug | 05:41 |
| gnomefreak | yofel: doesnt work with or without the s | 05:41 |
| gnomefreak | same error | 05:41 |
| yofel | hm, apport-kde starts fine, apport-cli works fine too - so what's the error? | 05:42 |
| gnomefreak | yofel: one minute am i posting it to pastebin | 05:43 |
| gnomefreak | yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554610/ | 05:44 |
| gnomefreak | ah adding tthe s in bug seems to just error on it not being a command, but ubuntu-bug should work. maybe caused by the ayatana API? | 05:45 |
| yofel | hm, maybe something broke with that recent dbus stuff | 05:45 |
| yofel | use apport-cli until it's fixed | 05:45 |
| gnomefreak | apport-cli packagename? | 05:46 |
| yofel | yep | 05:46 |
| gnomefreak | thanks | 05:46 |
| gyger | anyone else able to install the unity files and application places yet? | 05:47 |
| gyger | i ask bc i have not, | 05:47 |
| gnomefreak | yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554612/ | 05:49 |
| gnomefreak | gyger: no just what you get from apt-get upgrade, som eof unity packages are held back due to the API changes | 05:50 |
| yofel | there is no openoffice package, and what does 'apt-cache policy openoffice.org' tell you? (pastebin) | 05:50 |
| gnomefreak | i used upgrade adn unity works here | 05:50 |
| gnomefreak | yofel: openoffice.org - office productivity suite is a package | 05:51 |
| yofel | openoffice.org yes, openoffice no | 05:51 |
| gyger | gnomefreak: i have unity... just none of the really cool places that from what i heard were supposed to land thursday-ish... thats what i get for listening to the news | 05:51 |
| * gnomefreak not sure what you heard but until the API changes are implemented alot of packages are held back | 05:53 | |
| gnomefreak | see topic for more info | 05:53 |
| gnomefreak | yofel: they both give same output | 05:54 |
| yofel | gnomefreak: well, what's the apt-cache policy output? | 05:54 |
| yofel | pastebin the full output please | 05:54 |
| gnomefreak | let me check held back packages to see if API bug is causing this. i cant pstebin the whole search output, IIRC there is a limit on how much you post to pastebin.ubuntu | 05:55 |
| gnomefreak | oh you want policy ok one minute | 05:56 |
| yofel | since the .org once errors with non-genuine - I need the policy output there | 05:56 |
| gnomefreak | yofel: i get this feeling that openoffice was removed since it is not installed here, not sure if it due to having libreoffice repo, but even than i dont have that installed due to the depends. they are kde/qt deps | 05:57 |
| gnomefreak | i added oplicy for libreoffice just to show you it is not installed either http://paste.ubuntu.com/554613/ | 05:59 |
| yofel | that isn't the problem - the problem is that the candidate comes from " 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages" - which isn't an official ubuntu repository -> apport doesn't support filing PPA bugs unless explicitely told to do so | 06:00 |
| gnomefreak | yofel: here is dpkg -l openoffice* output http://paste.ubuntu.com/554614/ | 06:00 |
| gnomefreak | yofel: that should not effect OO.o since libre is not installed either | 06:01 |
| yofel | gnomefreak: doesn't matter, the candidate to be installed is from the PPA -> apport will fails | 06:01 |
| yofel | *fail | 06:01 |
| gnomefreak | just having the archive should not effect anything, however when i run dist-upgrade it shos that openoffice is going to be upgraded however it is held back due to APi changes | 06:02 |
| yofel | having the PPA enabled does affect apport, in this case it's nonsense, but apport will still think it's a PPA package | 06:02 |
| gnomefreak | see http://paste.ubuntu.com/554615/ for output from upgrade | 06:03 |
| yofel | since I don't have much gnome stuff installed here my list isn't as long, but I've got things kept back too | 06:04 |
| gnomefreak | how would OO.o have anything to do with libreoffce since both can be installed side by side. apport used to be able to ignore the PPA and still work fine | 06:04 |
| gyger | im just curious: is there a place where we can see how the api change is coming along... | 06:05 |
| gnomefreak | gyger: other than the link in /t i havent looked further maybe there is a bug on it. i only read that one email but im sure there is replys to the message in /t | 06:06 |
| gnomefreak | yofel: i will disable libre PPa and see what happens. but if you look at the dpkg -l output it shows openoffice.org is installed however policy shows it is not. be back in a few minutes need a smoke | 06:07 |
| gyger | gnomefreak: /t == topic? | 06:08 |
| gyger | sorry | 06:08 |
| yofel | gnomefreak: that dpkg -l output has cropped package names - you would need to get the full names for the output to be useful | 06:09 |
| gnomefreak | yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554616/ now im going for a smoke while you read it gyger yes /t or /topic can be used to read topic | 06:13 |
| gyger | gnomefreak: thx | 06:13 |
| gnomefreak | yofel: here is a better dpkg -l http://paste.ubuntu.com/554617/ | 06:21 |
| gnomefreak | i guess i can try apport on openoffice.org-gnome or openoffice.org-gtk but by the output of every other ubuntu-bug i would say its apport that has the problem | 06:22 |
| yofel | try to use 'apport-cli openoffice.org-core' to report whatever you want to report | 06:22 |
| yofel | gnomefreak: no, apport-gtk as serious problems with gio - thus unusable until fixed, use apport-cli | 06:23 |
| yofel | or apport-kde, but I guess you don't want that | 06:23 |
| gnomefreak | yeah apport-cli seems to work | 06:30 |
| gnomefreak | still not sure why firefox is greying out when being used | 06:35 |
| gnomefreak | to replace OO.o with Libreoffice is a bad idea until/if they make a gnome/gtk packages as of right now kde/qt apps/libs are to be installed | 06:39 |
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| wzssyqa | is there something wrong with cairo-dock metapackage and cairo-dock-plug-ins which did not update to libwebkitgtk? | 08:07 |
| dupondje | gdm partly broken ? get no desktop items / filemanager doens't start ? | 09:35 |
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| geser | my classic desktop started today without problems (even my gnome-panel was visible from beginning) | 10:49 |
| danyR | hi everyone. is anyone else not getting tomboy/gwibber/transmission quicklists in Unity 3.2.12 (newest version)? | 11:21 |
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| BluesKaj | hi all | 13:14 |
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| BUGabundo | yo o/ | 14:18 |
| BUGabundo | soooo much breakage | 14:19 |
| BUGabundo | can't even start nautilus | 14:19 |
| BUGabundo | compiz is broken too | 14:19 |
| charlie-tca | Hello, BUGabundo | 14:21 |
| charlie-tca | Must be a really good release coming, huh? | 14:21 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 14:22 |
| BUGabundo | so unity is a mess and classic doesn't work | 14:22 |
| BUGabundo | are we making a Desktop environment. or a Cloud OS? :) | 14:23 |
| charlie-tca | I didn't think anyone got Cloud to work yet, did they? | 14:24 |
| BluesKaj | kde seems to have weathered the upgrade quite well | 14:24 |
| penguin42 | gnome classic desktop on <--- is OK, and KDE 4 on ---> is OK | 14:24 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: full upgrade? | 14:25 |
| BUGabundo | I've got a bunch of miss match upgrages | 14:25 |
| BUGabundo | one of them wants to remove ubuntu-desktop | 14:25 |
| penguin42 | BUGabundo: I upgraded <--- prior to Alpha1 and ---> more recently | 14:25 |
| penguin42 | yeh I think ubuntu-desktop did go at one point - but it's only a meta | 14:25 |
| BUGabundo | I do upgrades daily :) | 14:26 |
| BUGabundo | isn't that how it is supposed to be done? | 14:26 |
| BUGabundo | how do you like that ? http://p.bugabundo.net/a-francesinha | 14:27 |
| BUGabundo | The following packages will be upgraded: | 14:29 |
| BUGabundo | bamfdaemon banshee banshee-extension-soundmenu gimp libbamf0 libubuntuone-1.0-1 python-webkit rhythmbox rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder rhythmbox-plugins shotwell yelp | 14:29 |
| BUGabundo | The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: | 14:29 |
| BUGabundo | banshee-extension-ubuntuonemusicstore | 14:29 |
| BUGabundo | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 14:29 |
| BUGabundo | libwebkitgtk-1.0-common: Conflicts: libwebkit-1.0-common but 1.2.5-0ubuntu3 is installed. | 14:29 |
| charlie-tca | the libwebkitgtk is what I am waiting for. I don't know if I want to run upgrades until it is resolved. | 14:31 |
| BUGabundo | I had to manually install a few | 14:31 |
| BUGabundo | to break dependecies | 14:31 |
| BUGabundo | its all messed up | 14:31 |
| BUGabundo | The following packages will be REMOVED: banshee{a} banshee-extension-soundmenu{a} libgkeyfile1.0-cil{u} libgudev1.0-cil{u} libmono-zeroconf1.0-cil{u} libtaglib2.0-cil{u} | 14:32 |
| BUGabundo | The following packages will be upgraded: bamfdaemon libbamf0 | 14:32 |
| BUGabundo | not the best alternative :s | 14:32 |
| evilvish | ha! \o/ i | 14:33 |
| evilvish | 'm not alone... | 14:33 |
| BUGabundo | evil ? | 14:33 |
| BUGabundo | heck | 14:33 |
| * BUGabundo presses YES | 14:33 | |
| evilvish | yea.. kinda annoying, had to mark and try not to break anything.. :/ | 14:34 |
| evilvish | BUGabundo: was always evil.. just made it official ;p | 14:34 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 14:35 |
| evilvish | what's the national layout/standard latin layout? | 14:37 |
| yofel | hm, seems like you really need to have gnome or unity installed to have breakage these days | 14:37 |
| yofel | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 14:37 |
| yofel | boring.. | 14:37 |
| BUGabundo | ahahaha | 14:38 |
| evilvish | yofel: just a few more releases, and we'll make it interesting you KDE too ;) | 14:38 |
| evilvish | interesting for* | 14:38 |
| yofel | I'll just have to wait for kde 4.7 :P | 14:38 |
| evilvish | regarding the layout? what's it for? i just selected the default "caps lock" and installed.. | 14:39 |
| yofel | that felt ages ago.. I think I went with no combination for the switcher | 14:40 |
| yofel | it messed up my console setup though back then | 14:40 |
| evilvish | yea, i had not updated for a week.. | 14:40 |
| evilvish | oh! 0.o | 14:40 |
| yofel | preferring us or afghanistan for a german keyboard is suboptimal | 14:41 |
| yofel | thatks god us was the default | 14:41 |
| yofel | *thanks | 14:41 |
| BUGabundo | now u made me recall the migration of KDE 3.5 to 4.0 | 14:42 |
| BUGabundo | oh man, that was messed up | 14:42 |
| penguin42 | oh yeh, the us,af bug is the funnest one of this cycle so far | 14:42 |
| BUGabundo | I had to build batches based on trunk, just so I could use some apps | 14:42 |
| evilvish | well, next cycle will probably be gnome 2.x > 3.0 , which will be equally messed up ;) | 14:43 |
| BUGabundo | good time to move to unity then :) | 14:43 |
| BUGabundo | NOT | 14:43 |
| BUGabundo | so now I need a file explorer that works, till nautilus is fixed | 14:58 |
| BUGabundo | suggestions? | 14:58 |
| penguin42 | is it thunar from xfce ? | 14:58 |
| BUGabundo | no idea | 14:59 |
| penguin42 | yeh, thunar | 14:59 |
| BUGabundo | The following NEW packages will be installed: | 15:01 |
| BUGabundo | exo-utils{a} libexo-1-0{a} libexo-common{a} libgarcon-1-0{a} libgarcon-common{a} libthunarx-2-0{a} libtumbler-1-0{a} libxfce4ui-1-0{a} libxfce4util-bin{a} libxfce4util-common{a} libxfce4util4{a} libxfconf-0-2{a} thunar thunar-data{a} thunar-volman{a} tumbler{a} tumbler-common{a} xfce-keyboard-shortcuts{a} xfce4-panel{a} xfconf{a} | 15:01 |
| BUGabundo | penguin42: hummm not the best alternative :( | 15:01 |
| * BUGabundo smacks charlie-tca | 15:01 | |
| penguin42 | shrugs | 15:01 |
| BUGabundo | what does KDE use this days? | 15:02 |
| BUGabundo | dolphin? | 15:02 |
| penguin42 | yeh | 15:02 |
| BUGabundo | dolphin kfind{a} libkonq5-templates{a} libkonq5a{a} | 15:02 |
| charlie-tca | huh | 15:03 |
| * charlie-tca just woke up after getting slapped so hard | 15:03 | |
| BUGabundo | ahah | 15:04 |
| charlie-tca | didn't I say don't do that yet? | 15:04 |
| BUGabundo | :( | 15:04 |
| * BUGabundo hugs charlie-tca | 15:04 | |
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| rye | hi, anybody here having any issues with nautilus crashing ater the latest update? | 15:15 |
| charlie-tca | BUGabundo: ^ ^ | 15:15 |
| BUGabundo | blast... dolphin is not previewing jpgs :( | 15:16 |
| BUGabundo | rye: dead for me | 15:16 |
| BUGabundo | nothing in xsession-errors | 15:17 |
| rye | BUGabundo, i have the stack trace | 15:18 |
| BUGabundo | not here | 15:18 |
| rye | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. | 15:18 |
| rye | net_workarea_changed (icon_view=0xbb9400, window=<value optimized out>) | 15:18 |
| rye | at fm-desktop-icon-view.c:272 | 15:18 |
| BUGabundo | maybe some plugin | 15:18 |
| om26er | is it *-0ubuntu5 ? | 15:19 |
| BUGabundo | Installed: 1:2.32.2.1-0ubuntu5 | 15:19 |
| om26er | didrocks patched nautilus for a crash few hours ago, seems that caused it, report the bug and subscribe him I would say | 15:20 |
| rye | 2.32.2.1-0ubuntu4 | 15:20 |
| rye | i believe i am outdated then | 15:20 |
| BUGabundo | rye: 5 doesn't work either | 15:21 |
| BUGabundo | let me see if I have the old one to downgrade | 15:21 |
| BUGabundo | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.3M 2011-01-11 18:05 nautilus_1%3a2.32.2.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb | 15:22 |
| BUGabundo | with me luck | 15:22 |
| BUGabundo | *wish | 15:22 |
| BUGabundo | s$ sudo dpkg -i nautilus_1%3a2.32.2.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb nautilus-data_1%3a2.32.2.1-0ubuntu3_all.deb libnautilus-extension1_1%3a2.32.2.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb | 15:23 |
| charlie-tca | good luck, BUGabundo | 15:28 |
| BUGabundo | no luck | 15:29 |
| BUGabundo | doesn't start | 15:29 |
| BUGabundo | so something else is messing it | 15:29 |
| BUGabundo | not just nautilus packages | 15:29 |
| rye | hm -0ubuntu5 worked for me | 15:31 |
| BUGabundo | strange | 15:32 |
| BUGabundo | maybe I need a reboot | 15:32 |
| Amaranth | I am as up-to-date as I can get without uninstalling important things and everything works for me | 15:33 |
| Amaranth | I don't have the latest compiz, unity, or indicator stuff since they are all kinds of fubar right now | 15:34 |
| Amaranth | We are going through a compiz plugin ABI change and a dbusmenu ABI change at the same time | 15:34 |
| Amaranth | So those all fail for using the wrong compiz or the wrong dbusmenu | 15:35 |
| * BluesKaj decides to postpone gnome desktop for a bit ...maybe in a few weeks I'll try it on my other natty install | 15:36 | |
| BUGabundo | Amaranth: latest compiz here | 15:39 |
| BUGabundo | just not extra | 15:39 |
| * Amaranth pushed an extras package to bzr | 15:40 | |
| Amaranth | I guess I should just upload it | 15:40 |
| BluesKaj | in the meantime kde4.6RC2 seems to be holding it's own | 15:40 |
| BUGabundo | Amaranth: The following packages have unmet dependencies: compiz-fusion-plugins-extra: Depends: compiz-core-abiversion-20101111 which is a virtual package. | 15:43 |
| Amaranth | BUGabundo: I know | 15:43 |
| BUGabundo | kk | 15:44 |
| Amaranth | BUGabundo: here in a couple minutes a new package will be heading for the archive | 15:44 |
| Amaranth | well, heading for the build queue anyway | 15:44 |
| BUGabundo | thanks | 15:45 |
| Amaranth | I thought didrocks did it on friday... :/ | 15:45 |
| BUGabundo | Chocolate Chunk Cookies! | 15:48 |
| IdleOne | !info gimp | 16:00 |
| ubottu | gimp (source: gimp): The GNU Image Manipulation Program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.11-1ubuntu4 (natty), package size 4227 kB, installed size 12252 kB | 16:00 |
| Amaranth | BUGabundo: I'm a little rusty on package uploading so it took longer than expected but a new extra package is uploaded now | 16:11 |
| BUGabundo | :) | 16:11 |
| Amaranth | BUGabundo: You'll have it by the end of the day, at any rate | 16:11 |
| BUGabundo | no hurry | 16:11 |
| Amaranth | Just have to wait for build and publish | 16:11 |
| BUGabundo | I can't even start regular compiz right now | 16:11 |
| BUGabundo | so extra has time | 16:11 |
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| evilvish | BUGabundo: $ gksudo nautilus works.. | 17:01 |
| evilvish | just to have a file manager for now.. | 17:01 |
| BUGabundo | LOL | 17:02 |
| BUGabundo | and breaking everything else | 17:02 |
| BUGabundo | so is it dbus and user land? | 17:02 |
| MrMeh_ | I'm trying to test out unity-2d, but whenever i try installing unity-2d-default-settings, it tells me that it wont be installed! http://paste.ubuntu.com/554785/ | 17:12 |
| penguin42 | oh I didn't know that existed - I'm glad it does | 17:16 |
| penguin42 | MrMeh_: Sounds like some broken/changing packages | 17:17 |
| MrMeh_ | penguin42 at the end, it tells me that it's related to libunity0, but it still doesnt want to install! :/ | 17:18 |
| MrMeh_ | It has no reason for not installing, it just doesn't want to; it just hates me! :( | 17:19 |
| MrMeh_ | Okay In order to get Unity 2D installed, I have to get libunity0 install. However, that libindicator1 as a dependency. When I tried to install it, it told me that it's gonna remove everything including Unity itself, software center, transmission, nautilus, etc!! Help? | 17:33 |
| yofel | see /topic - the package probably still needs to be fixed | 17:33 |
| MrMeh_ | Other people were able to install this. | 17:34 |
| yofel | I can't install libindicator1 and unity at the same time either | 17:34 |
| dupondje | BUGabundo: nautilus also broken here :( | 17:39 |
| robbit10 | I read in the alpha 1 release notes, that Ubuntu+1 will use Unity. Does that mean having Unity as the default desktop, in the desktop edition? Not the netbook one, but desktop? In other words, Ubuntu is moving on to a different interface? | 17:39 |
| yofel | yep, unity will be the default desktop shell | 17:40 |
| robbit10 | finally some drastic changes in the Ubuntu desktop | 17:40 |
| WaltherFI | Wait a second - a tablet-like UI as default? | 17:41 |
| dupondje | Any hints on what app I best use to make a backup of my whole system ? | 17:42 |
| robbit10 | Unity looks very promising. Is the stable netbook version in Ubuntu 10.10 usable on a desktop computer? | 17:43 |
| charlie-tca | Why would you want that if Natty is available for the desktop? | 17:46 |
| WaltherFI | charlie-tca: face it, some people don't want to use a dev version that is not even alpha 2 | 17:47 |
| evilvish | o.0 | 18:03 |
| charlie-tca | Then they should be in #ubuntu instead of #ubuntu+1 | 18:04 |
| charlie-tca | WaltherFI: by being in this channel, they are looking at Natty, the development version. Not the stable releases :-) | 18:05 |
| WaltherFI | charlie-tca: still, this is one of the support channels right? you should ansewer the questions - maybe some people are indeed "looking at" the dev version | 18:06 |
| charlie-tca | um, this is only support for development versions | 18:06 |
| evilvish | WaltherFI: charlie-tca nor anyone else here does not *have* to ans any Q | 18:07 |
| WaltherFI | oh, i did not mean to be offensive, don't get mad please | 18:08 |
| evilvish | cool.. :) | 18:08 |
| WaltherFI | but like him, i am thoroughly interested at the idea of unity being the default | 18:09 |
| WaltherFI | and i am not sure if i am interested at the idea in a positive way | 18:09 |
| evilvish | WaltherFI: unity is the default for Ubuntu 11.04 , and yes it is modelled over the netbook UI, but will have modifications to suit desktop usage | 18:10 |
| charlie-tca | The fact is that this is a very specialised support channel. It is not for general help | 18:10 |
| evilvish | so is gnome-shell btw | 18:10 |
| WaltherFI | hmm... what about the current gnome-desktop? | 18:11 |
| WaltherFI | is it going to be discontinued / unsupported? | 18:12 |
| mlmg317-himts | K. So I just upgraded to Natty Narwhal. Now - when I try to run "sudo freshclam" in Terminal - it tells me freshclam.log is locked by another process - and that there is a problem with the internal logger. How do I fix this? | 18:12 |
| richthegeek | hi all - how is Unity meant to work with 2+ monitors? | 18:12 |
| mlmg317-himts | This has never happened before. I was told that Natty Narwhal is not yet released and not yet stable. Thoughts? | 18:13 |
| yofel | WaltherFI: current gnome desktop is available as classic desktop and will probably be replaced by gnome 3 in natty+1 | 18:13 |
| mlmg317-himts | For starters - how do I unlock freshclam.log - or any other file for that matter? | 18:13 |
| WaltherFI | mlmg317-himts: sorry to say, but it is not even alpha 2 stage yet, so you'll probably run into many random errors | 18:13 |
| yofel | mlmg317-himts: try to use lsof on the logfile, that might tell you what process is locking it | 18:14 |
| WaltherFI | yofel: so unity will be default in natty, and we go back in gnome at natty+1 ? | 18:14 |
| yofel | WaltherFI: that I do not know | 18:14 |
| WaltherFI | not rational, imo | 18:14 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: So I run "lsof" in Terminal? You might have to step me through this a bit ... | 18:15 |
| yofel | mlmg317-himts: lsof <file> | 18:15 |
| richthegeek | mlmg317-himts: lsof = list open files - depending on what you want you can filter by UID, PID, (grep for) directory, etc.. | 18:15 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: OK. So when I run "lsof freshclam.log" - it tells me there is no such file or directory. I'm like, "WHAT !?" | 18:16 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: This is WACKED OUT ... | 18:16 |
| richthegeek | mlmg317-himts: it just means that that file is not currently open (being used, thus "locked") in the system | 18:17 |
| WaltherFI | mlmg317-himts: where is the file located | 18:17 |
| WaltherFI | mlmg317-himts: you can't just run it on /home, can you | 18:17 |
| WaltherFI | the file is somewhere else | 18:17 |
| WaltherFI | i guess | 18:17 |
| mlmg317-himts | WaltherFI: No - I usually run it on the entire file system. I don't really know where it is located. Can't I run a command in Terminal to figure this out? | 18:18 |
| richthegeek | locate | 18:18 |
| mlmg317-himts | WaltherFI: OK - /var/log/clamav ... | 18:19 |
| WaltherFI | mlmg317-himts: cd there, then run the lsof command | 18:20 |
| mlmg317-himts | WaltherFI: K. Done. Now what? | 18:21 |
| WaltherFI | mlmg317-himts: what does it show now? | 18:21 |
| mlmg317-himts | WaltherFI: A very long list of stuff ... | 18:21 |
| richthegeek | it'll show you the PID of the process locking that file, using "kill -1 ###" on it | 18:21 |
| mlmg317-himts | WaltherFI: What should I be looking for? | 18:21 |
| WaltherFI | mlmg317-himts: well now you see the list of processes that lock the file | 18:22 |
| yofel | mlmg317-himts: did you run lsof <file> in the clamav folder? just lsof will list all open files | 18:22 |
| mlmg317-himts | WaltherFI: Maybe I'm doing something wrong. So I have ".... /var/log/clamav$ ... then I paste "lsof ... [WHAT?]" | 18:24 |
| yofel | mlmg317-himts: the file you were looking for? | 18:24 |
| WaltherFI | mlmg317-himts: i don't personally know about that command, scroll up and see how the person above used the command | 18:25 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: I entered in "lsof freshclam.log". I get nothing. It just pops up "... /var/log/clamav$" again ... | 18:26 |
| yofel | hm, then the file shouldn't be locked... | 18:26 |
| yofel | maybe try sudo lsof.. | 18:26 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: OK - there we go. So now I get this result: " | 18:28 |
| mlmg317-himts | WARNING: can't stat() fuse file system /home/mlmg317-himts/.gvfs | 18:28 |
| mlmg317-himts | Output information may be incomplete. | 18:28 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: What do you make of it? | 18:28 |
| yofel | ok, that's essentially none - should look similiar to this taking syslog as an example http://paste.ubuntu.com/554811/ | 18:29 |
| tsimpson | root (or rather any user who isn't you) can't read fuse filesystems that it didn't mount | 18:29 |
| yofel | does freshclam still fail? | 18:29 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: Yes. Just tried running "sudo freshclam" again - same result ... | 18:30 |
| mlmg317-himts | tsimpson: You'll have to explain a little further - I don't quite understand ... | 18:30 |
| yofel | then I'm personally out of ideas | 18:30 |
| mlmg317-himts | tsimpson: fuse filesystems? | 18:31 |
| mlmg317-himts | tsimpson: Then what do you suggest? | 18:31 |
| tsimpson | mlmg317-himts: well, gvfs is fuse-like, as it's all in userspace | 18:31 |
| tsimpson | just ignore the warning from lsof there, that's all I meant | 18:32 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: OK - so tsimpson said to ignore the warning. So it does list the file "freshclam.log" ... so the file IS there ... | 18:33 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: Man this annoying ... | 18:33 |
| yofel | mlmg317-himts: what does lsof list the file? | 18:33 |
| yofel | *what, | 18:33 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: ? | 18:33 |
| yofel | mlmg317-himts: does lsof list the file or not? | 18:33 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: | 18:34 |
| mlmg317-himts | COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME | 18:34 |
| mlmg317-himts | freshclam 1313 clamav 3wW REG 8,1 823 394925 freshclam.log | 18:34 |
| yofel | see, freshclam is already running! | 18:34 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: Oh really. OK - so how do I know when it's finished? | 18:34 |
| yofel | no idea, I don't use clamav myself | 18:35 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: That would be why ... | 18:35 |
| yofel | maybe it was triggered by cron | 18:35 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: Interesting ... | 18:35 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: cron. What's that? | 18:35 |
| yofel | automatic, scheduled service execution - read the manpage | 18:35 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: OK - very good. So it does auto updates now in Natty Narwhal? | 18:36 |
| yofel | maybe? I don't know | 18:36 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: Interesting. Well - I'll come back to this later ... | 18:36 |
| mlmg317-himts | yofel: Thank you, though !!! | 18:36 |
| yofel | np | 18:36 |
| ari-tczew | does java works fine on natty? | 18:55 |
| ari-tczew | my firefox couldn | 18:55 |
| ari-tczew | could not handle with some java cases | 18:55 |
| coz_ | is anyone experiencing nautilus restarting after making changes with nvidia or cairo dock..or opening or closing certain applications | 19:20 |
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| MickStep | Hey anyone running natty and using the nvidia driver? | 20:18 |
| MickStep | I need some help diagnosing a bug and getting it confirmed | 20:18 |
| yofel | here, what's the bug though? | 20:20 |
| MickStep | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637757 | 20:20 |
| MickStep | Banshee crasher | 20:20 |
| MickStep | I just discovered it the crash doesn't happen when your running metacity, so it's compiz related | 20:21 |
| yofel | I don't use either, so probably can't help | 20:21 |
| * yofel uses KDE | 20:21 | |
| MickStep | you could always install compiz | 20:22 |
| MickStep | and banshee | 20:22 |
| yofel | sure, but I'm not going to try compiz-kde, that usually crashes by itself, and installing gnome will take a while | 20:22 |
| MickStep | enable the kde plugin in compiz and do compiz --replace | 20:22 |
| rww | People actually run Compiz instead of KWin o.O? | 20:23 |
| MickStep | rww: evidently some nutters do | 20:23 |
| MickStep | very few I suspect | 20:23 |
| yofel | they do, we get a few people asking for help in #kubuntu about compiz-kde being broken. I don't like it | 20:23 |
| yofel | esp. since it really doesn't get much Q/A | 20:23 |
| MickStep | some people just like to be different | 20:23 |
| rww | I guess the quest for fire-emitting wobbly windows on a cube knows no bounds. | 20:24 |
| yofel | probably... | 20:24 |
| MickStep | rww: indeed | 20:24 |
| MickStep | so no one else running nvidia? | 20:24 |
| charlie-tca | I run nvidia with Xubuntu, not with compiz | 20:26 |
| MickStep | charlie-tca: cool, just install compiz and do compiz --replace, it's easily remedied with a metacity --replace, no lasting harm done. | 20:27 |
| charlie-tca | heh, I have had a really bad time with compiz | 20:27 |
| charlie-tca | but let me boot my spare up | 20:28 |
| MickStep | charlie-tca: you'll only have to run it long enough to allow banshee to crash | 20:28 |
| MickStep | charlie-tca: thanks | 20:28 |
| charlie-tca | and it is so important I don't time to throw an nvidia card in the spare and boot it? | 20:28 |
| MickStep | I don't know, whether it's important enough for your time is up to you. | 20:30 |
| MickStep | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637757 That's the bug | 20:30 |
| charlie-tca | booting now | 20:31 |
| charlie-tca | natty with nvidia with hardware drivers? | 20:32 |
| MickStep | yeah | 20:32 |
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| charlie-tca | losing fast here. no hardware driver wants to install today | 20:41 |
| MickStep | odd | 20:42 |
| MickStep | what happens if you do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-180 in the terminal | 20:42 |
| bjsnider | that package does not exist | 20:43 |
| MickStep | 185 then, that one does exist | 20:44 |
| yofel | that was a transitional package | 20:44 |
| yofel | the proper package is nvidia-current | 20:44 |
| yofel | and you should use jockey anyway | 20:44 |
| Chelsea | Hi all, Mesa 7.10 and X 1.1 are coming to 11.04.... Can anyone explain what that means? | 20:45 |
| yofel | new Xserver and opengl libs? | 20:45 |
| MickStep | fair enough listen to yofel | 20:45 |
| MickStep | charlie-tca: Any luck? | 20:48 |
| charlie-tca | installing the nvidia driver | 20:48 |
| MickStep | cool | 20:48 |
| charlie-tca | seems like my computer doesn't like changing between nvidia and ATI | 20:49 |
| MickStep | charlie-tca: I've ran into problems with that in the past | 20:50 |
| charlie-tca | Okay, I give up | 20:54 |
| MickStep | :( | 20:54 |
| charlie-tca | can't install banshee due to broken dependcies on libwebkitgtk | 20:54 |
| MickStep | yeah I had that problem the other day | 20:54 |
| MickStep | What it is, is that some other applications depend on a different version of libwebkit gtk, midori is one of them | 20:55 |
| MickStep | you can install the version banshee wants but it will uninstall midori | 20:55 |
| charlie-tca | What caused midori to install? | 20:56 |
| charlie-tca | this is a default installation of Ubuntu | 20:56 |
| MickStep | I installed it myself personally | 20:56 |
| MickStep | it might be another program pulling the other webkit | 20:57 |
| MickStep | there was a few | 20:57 |
| charlie-tca | well, maybe in a few days, when this stuff gets fixed, it will work, then. | 20:57 |
| MickStep | if you do sudo apt-get install libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 it will prompt you with a list of what is going to be uninstalled | 20:58 |
| MickStep | then you can choose not to do it | 20:58 |
| MickStep | Anyone else with nvidia and natty? | 21:01 |
| MickStep | thanks for the effort charlie :) | 21:01 |
| charlie-tca | You are welcome | 21:05 |
| BUGabundo | hey guys | 21:46 |
| BUGabundo | got a friend with an i5 that's not being set on demand | 21:47 |
| BUGabundo | any tips? | 21:47 |
| yofel | hm, that should be done by /etc/init.d/ondemand sometime after boot | 21:49 |
| yofel | maybe check what 'cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors' gives, should return one line per cpu containing | 21:50 |
| yofel | conservative ondemand userspace powersave performance | 21:50 |
| yofel | if that's the case then the init script doesn't get run I guess | 21:50 |
| BUGabundo | thanks yofel | 21:50 |
| BUGabundo | was looking for the path | 21:51 |
| BUGabundo | giving him a new kernel from the PPA | 21:51 |
| BUGabundo | yofel: you know of any cli way to change all cores? | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | I used to echo , but that's single core old times | 21:59 |
| BUGabundo | even gnome applet takes ONE per CORE | 21:59 |
| yofel | not really. maybe use echo with a wildard, but I haven't tried that yet | 21:59 |
| yofel | hm, that won't work | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | don't expect it to work | 22:00 |
| BUGabundo | what's drm-intel-next branch ? | 22:00 |
| psusi | BUGabundo, one echo per core... | 22:03 |
| BUGabundo | :( | 22:04 |
| yofel | you could use a for loop in bash | 22:04 |
| BUGabundo | cpufreq-set -c 0 -g ondemand | 22:04 |
| psusi | I have cpufreq-selector, not cpufreq-set | 22:05 |
| BUGabundo | and -r does all cores | 22:06 |
| BUGabundo | psusi: he is on maverick | 22:06 |
| BUGabundo | maybe diff app | 22:06 |
| BUGabundo | oh he installed cpufreq | 22:07 |
| psusi | so am I.. looks liek you have to install cpufrequtils package for that one | 22:07 |
| BUGabundo | maybe | 22:08 |
| BUGabundo | Couldn't find package "cpufreq". However, the following | 22:09 |
| BUGabundo | cpufreq stats: 2.40 GHz:10.49%, 2.00 GHz:0.93%, 1.60 GHz:1.71%, 1.20 GHz:86.88% (181040) | 22:10 |
| BUGabundo | I miss having an interactive scheduler | 22:11 |
| BUGabundo | ondemand is toooo slow | 22:12 |
| AndyE12 | Hello, I just installed ubuntu natty Narwhal. Whenever I go to install updates I go from 700+ k/bs a sec and than it hangs to bytes per sec. From there it never moves and I just have to cancel it. Also, trying to install drivers from "Additional drivers" and it does the same thing. This happens wireless and wired - my network is fine when I dual boot to windows. | 22:19 |
| BUGabundo | AndyE12: change mirror ? | 22:20 |
| AndyE12 | Just tried that - same result. | 22:22 |
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| AndyE12 | Went from 120k/bs and now sitting at 215 bytes/sec | 22:23 |
| AndyE12 | Than it hangs | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | strange | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | please close all APT instance | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | open a console and try this | 22:23 |
| BUGabundo | sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install aptitude | 22:24 |
| BUGabundo | sudo aptitude safe-upgrade | 22:24 |
| AndyE12 | Unable to locate package safe-upgrade | 22:26 |
| BUGabundo | oops | 22:27 |
| BUGabundo | did you install aptitude ? | 22:27 |
| AndyE12 | I can not install anything. Everything hangs after a few seconds | 22:28 |
| bjsnider | i think apt-get upgrade basically does the same thing as aptitude safe-upgrade at this point | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | yeah | 22:28 |
| BUGabundo | but when you got messed dependecies, I've always been able to depend more on aptitude and less on apt-get | 22:29 |
| AndyE12 | When trying to install aptitude I get "Waiting for jockey-backend to exit" | 22:30 |
| AndyE12 | I also get that error when trying to do updates but got around it earlier and have not seen that error since this morning. | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | strange | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | can't reproduce here | 22:31 |
| BUGabundo | what GPU? | 22:31 |
| AndyE12 | Ati | 22:32 |
| bjsnider | sudo killall jockey-backend | 22:33 |
| AndyE12 | Download starts and than hangs | 22:33 |
| AndyE12 | Grabbed a random file 100mb file and downloaded it and it ran at 1.2 mb sec and no hangs. | 22:35 |
| charlie-tca | I done good! upgraded both ati and nvidia installs, broke both of them... :-) | 22:48 |
| BUGabundo | lol | 22:48 |
| charlie-tca | Well, you know, if one don't work, try the other? | 22:49 |
| charlie-tca | well, that might have been bad, too | 22:52 |
| BUGabundo | night | 22:57 |
| Ohelig | I get a "Not all updates can be installed" when trying to update | 23:36 |
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