[00:00] should be mostly the same from what I heard [00:04] hey all [00:04] hey coz_ [00:05] yofel, hey guy :) [00:16] hey can some one paste bin a boot dmesg from a machine that boots reasonably fast? [00:17] penguin42, my installation seems to be boot finiky... sometimes boots to login sometimes doesnt [00:17] what happens when it doens't? [00:17] penguin42, black screen and I hit ctrl+alt+ delete [00:17] penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554543/ [00:18] penguin42, reboots at that point [00:18] coz_: can you switch to tty at that point? [00:18] yofel: Thanks - you sure you got enough discs on there? [00:19] yofel, no not at all [00:19] penguin42: yep, well, one is actually a 2 chip SSD connected by RAID0 [00:19] yeh [00:19] yofel, not sure if it has to do with my scsi drives... ubuntu seems to be a bit finiky about scsi [00:19] coz_: does sysrq+k help? (alt+print+k) ? [00:20] yofel, didnt try it ...will try on next boot though [00:20] sorry about that [00:20] damn fingers [00:20] that should kill anything on the tty you're on, including stuck plymouth or hung X [00:21] yofel, I dont think its hangin a ctrl+alt+delete simply reboots the system immediately ...I dont think its even getting to grub [00:21] yofel: OK, so the reason I asked was that in quite a few logs I've seen there is a big gap between the last disc mount and the 1st udev message - yours ther eisn't [00:22] coz_: depends where it is, if it didn't do much more than mount the disks then rebooting shouldn't take more than a second or 2 [00:22] coz_: try to get to the grub menu though to make sure you get there [00:22] yofel, which seems like what's happeniing [00:22] yofel, cant get to grub menu at all. [00:22] hehe, got my belkin usb wifi adapter working , which wouldn't work since jaunty ...go figure :) [00:23] hold left shift on bios init (I think) [00:23] :) [00:23] yofel, unfortunately I tried that as well ...nothing [00:24] somebody fixed network-manager-kde ...whoever they I'd like to thank them [00:24] yofel, I have to put rootdelay=40 into default grub on natty and maverick...I believe lucid was ok dont recall... to avoid dropping to busybox.. initramfs [00:24] whoever they are that is [00:25] there seems to be a nautilus issue with the last few updates [00:25] coz_: o.O - does it actually show an error on boot before dropping to initramfs shell? [00:26] yofel, no ... when initramfs pops up I just type exit and it boots [00:26] yofel, I have brought this up on numerous bug reports because it never used to happen [00:26] yofel, so apparenlty someone changed boot senario for scsi devices [00:27] that's weird - it could bit it's taking too long for the scsi devices to appear [00:27] try to replace 'quiet splash' with '--verbose' maybe, that'll make upstart more verbose (but it sound like it doesn't even get to start init :S) [00:27] so with a rootdelay=40 i do not have quick boots [00:27] so, it gives up, drops you to initramfs but then it's managed it [00:27] penguin42, right [00:28] I generally would have to wait about 3 seconds before typing exit [00:28] I believe lucid or jaunty maybe didnt have this issue not any version prior to that [00:28] coz_: I've got odd boot delay problems on mine - it takes ~90 seconds to boot - it's just sitting there for some odd reason [00:28] penguin42, I have noticed that as well [00:28] lucid was fine, maverick was about 30, and natty is nearer 90 [00:29] penguin42, painful :) [00:29] natty has the fastest shutdown though :) [00:30] penguin42: intel graphics? [00:30] no, ati === croppa_ is now known as croppa === SolidLiq is now known as solid_liq === TerminX_ is now known as TerminX === emma is now known as em [05:11] yay it seems i got unity working :) not sure how or why it is working now other than it is a pretty basic setup [05:28] anyone else have windows grey out while using them? for example i was running firefox and irssi and firefox kept greying out, when i right clicked on a word "spell check" and the right click menu bounced all over the place at least to the right. [05:39] anyone else unable to use "ubuntu-bugs "? [05:41] it's ubuntu-bug [05:41] yofel: doesnt work with or without the s [05:41] same error [05:42] hm, apport-kde starts fine, apport-cli works fine too - so what's the error? [05:43] yofel: one minute am i posting it to pastebin [05:44] yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554610/ [05:45] ah adding tthe s in bug seems to just error on it not being a command, but ubuntu-bug should work. maybe caused by the ayatana API? [05:45] hm, maybe something broke with that recent dbus stuff [05:45] use apport-cli until it's fixed [05:46] apport-cli packagename? [05:46] yep [05:46] thanks [05:47] anyone else able to install the unity files and application places yet? [05:47] i ask bc i have not, [05:49] yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554612/ [05:50] gyger: no just what you get from apt-get upgrade, som eof unity packages are held back due to the API changes [05:50] there is no openoffice package, and what does 'apt-cache policy openoffice.org' tell you? (pastebin) [05:50] i used upgrade adn unity works here [05:51] yofel: openoffice.org - office productivity suite is a package [05:51] openoffice.org yes, openoffice no [05:51] gnomefreak: i have unity... just none of the really cool places that from what i heard were supposed to land thursday-ish... thats what i get for listening to the news [05:53] * gnomefreak not sure what you heard but until the API changes are implemented alot of packages are held back [05:53] see topic for more info [05:54] yofel: they both give same output [05:54] gnomefreak: well, what's the apt-cache policy output? [05:54] pastebin the full output please [05:55] let me check held back packages to see if API bug is causing this. i cant pstebin the whole search output, IIRC there is a limit on how much you post to pastebin.ubuntu [05:56] oh you want policy ok one minute [05:56] since the .org once errors with non-genuine - I need the policy output there [05:57] yofel: i get this feeling that openoffice was removed since it is not installed here, not sure if it due to having libreoffice repo, but even than i dont have that installed due to the depends. they are kde/qt deps [05:59] i added oplicy for libreoffice just to show you it is not installed either http://paste.ubuntu.com/554613/ [06:00] that isn't the problem - the problem is that the candidate comes from " 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages" - which isn't an official ubuntu repository -> apport doesn't support filing PPA bugs unless explicitely told to do so [06:00] yofel: here is dpkg -l openoffice* output http://paste.ubuntu.com/554614/ [06:01] yofel: that should not effect OO.o since libre is not installed either [06:01] gnomefreak: doesn't matter, the candidate to be installed is from the PPA -> apport will fails [06:01] *fail [06:02] just having the archive should not effect anything, however when i run dist-upgrade it shos that openoffice is going to be upgraded however it is held back due to APi changes [06:02] having the PPA enabled does affect apport, in this case it's nonsense, but apport will still think it's a PPA package [06:03] see http://paste.ubuntu.com/554615/ for output from upgrade [06:04] since I don't have much gnome stuff installed here my list isn't as long, but I've got things kept back too [06:04] how would OO.o have anything to do with libreoffce since both can be installed side by side. apport used to be able to ignore the PPA and still work fine [06:05] im just curious: is there a place where we can see how the api change is coming along... [06:06] gyger: other than the link in /t i havent looked further maybe there is a bug on it. i only read that one email but im sure there is replys to the message in /t [06:07] yofel: i will disable libre PPa and see what happens. but if you look at the dpkg -l output it shows openoffice.org is installed however policy shows it is not. be back in a few minutes need a smoke [06:08] gnomefreak: /t == topic? [06:08] sorry [06:09] gnomefreak: that dpkg -l output has cropped package names - you would need to get the full names for the output to be useful [06:13] yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554616/ now im going for a smoke while you read it gyger yes /t or /topic can be used to read topic [06:13] gnomefreak: thx [06:21] yofel: here is a better dpkg -l http://paste.ubuntu.com/554617/ [06:22] i guess i can try apport on openoffice.org-gnome or openoffice.org-gtk but by the output of every other ubuntu-bug i would say its apport that has the problem [06:22] try to use 'apport-cli openoffice.org-core' to report whatever you want to report [06:23] gnomefreak: no, apport-gtk as serious problems with gio - thus unusable until fixed, use apport-cli [06:23] or apport-kde, but I guess you don't want that [06:30] yeah apport-cli seems to work [06:35] still not sure why firefox is greying out when being used [06:39] to replace OO.o with Libreoffice is a bad idea until/if they make a gnome/gtk packages as of right now kde/qt apps/libs are to be installed === Adys_ is now known as Adys [08:07] is there something wrong with cairo-dock metapackage and cairo-dock-plug-ins which did not update to libwebkitgtk? [09:35] gdm partly broken ? get no desktop items / filemanager doens't start ? === popey_ is now known as popey [10:49] my classic desktop started today without problems (even my gnome-panel was visible from beginning) [11:21] hi everyone. is anyone else not getting tomboy/gwibber/transmission quicklists in Unity 3.2.12 (newest version)? === s1aden is now known as sladen [13:14] hi all === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:18] yo o/ [14:19] soooo much breakage [14:19] can't even start nautilus [14:19] compiz is broken too [14:21] Hello, BUGabundo [14:21] Must be a really good release coming, huh? [14:22] LOL [14:22] so unity is a mess and classic doesn't work [14:23] are we making a Desktop environment. or a Cloud OS? :) [14:24] I didn't think anyone got Cloud to work yet, did they? [14:24] kde seems to have weathered the upgrade quite well [14:24] gnome classic desktop on <--- is OK, and KDE 4 on ---> is OK [14:25] penguin42: full upgrade? [14:25] I've got a bunch of miss match upgrages [14:25] one of them wants to remove ubuntu-desktop [14:25] BUGabundo: I upgraded <--- prior to Alpha1 and ---> more recently [14:25] yeh I think ubuntu-desktop did go at one point - but it's only a meta [14:26] I do upgrades daily :) [14:26] isn't that how it is supposed to be done? [14:27] how do you like that ? http://p.bugabundo.net/a-francesinha [14:29] The following packages will be upgraded: [14:29] bamfdaemon banshee banshee-extension-soundmenu gimp libbamf0 libubuntuone-1.0-1 python-webkit rhythmbox rhythmbox-plugin-cdrecorder rhythmbox-plugins shotwell yelp [14:29] The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed: [14:29] banshee-extension-ubuntuonemusicstore [14:29] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [14:29] libwebkitgtk-1.0-common: Conflicts: libwebkit-1.0-common but 1.2.5-0ubuntu3 is installed. [14:31] the libwebkitgtk is what I am waiting for. I don't know if I want to run upgrades until it is resolved. [14:31] I had to manually install a few [14:31] to break dependecies [14:31] its all messed up [14:32] The following packages will be REMOVED: banshee{a} banshee-extension-soundmenu{a} libgkeyfile1.0-cil{u} libgudev1.0-cil{u} libmono-zeroconf1.0-cil{u} libtaglib2.0-cil{u} [14:32] The following packages will be upgraded: bamfdaemon libbamf0 [14:32] not the best alternative :s [14:33] ha! \o/ i [14:33] 'm not alone... [14:33] evil ? [14:33] heck [14:33] * BUGabundo presses YES [14:34] yea.. kinda annoying, had to mark and try not to break anything.. :/ [14:34] BUGabundo: was always evil.. just made it official ;p [14:35] lol [14:37] what's the national layout/standard latin layout? [14:37] hm, seems like you really need to have gnome or unity installed to have breakage these days [14:37] 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [14:37] boring.. [14:38] ahahaha [14:38] yofel: just a few more releases, and we'll make it interesting you KDE too ;) [14:38] interesting for* [14:38] I'll just have to wait for kde 4.7 :P [14:39] regarding the layout? what's it for? i just selected the default "caps lock" and installed.. [14:40] that felt ages ago.. I think I went with no combination for the switcher [14:40] it messed up my console setup though back then [14:40] yea, i had not updated for a week.. [14:40] oh! 0.o [14:41] preferring us or afghanistan for a german keyboard is suboptimal [14:41] thatks god us was the default [14:41] *thanks [14:42] now u made me recall the migration of KDE 3.5 to 4.0 [14:42] oh man, that was messed up [14:42] oh yeh, the us,af bug is the funnest one of this cycle so far [14:42] I had to build batches based on trunk, just so I could use some apps [14:43] well, next cycle will probably be gnome 2.x > 3.0 , which will be equally messed up ;) [14:43] good time to move to unity then :) [14:43] NOT [14:58] so now I need a file explorer that works, till nautilus is fixed [14:58] suggestions? [14:58] is it thunar from xfce ? [14:59] no idea [14:59] yeh, thunar [15:01] The following NEW packages will be installed: [15:01] exo-utils{a} libexo-1-0{a} libexo-common{a} libgarcon-1-0{a} libgarcon-common{a} libthunarx-2-0{a} libtumbler-1-0{a} libxfce4ui-1-0{a} libxfce4util-bin{a} libxfce4util-common{a} libxfce4util4{a} libxfconf-0-2{a} thunar thunar-data{a} thunar-volman{a} tumbler{a} tumbler-common{a} xfce-keyboard-shortcuts{a} xfce4-panel{a} xfconf{a} [15:01] penguin42: hummm not the best alternative :( [15:01] * BUGabundo smacks charlie-tca [15:01] shrugs [15:02] what does KDE use this days? [15:02] dolphin? [15:02] yeh [15:02] dolphin kfind{a} libkonq5-templates{a} libkonq5a{a} [15:03] huh [15:03] * charlie-tca just woke up after getting slapped so hard [15:04] ahah [15:04] didn't I say don't do that yet? [15:04] :( [15:04] * BUGabundo hugs charlie-tca === emma is now known as em [15:15] hi, anybody here having any issues with nautilus crashing ater the latest update? [15:15] BUGabundo: ^ ^ [15:16] blast... dolphin is not previewing jpgs :( [15:16] rye: dead for me [15:17] nothing in xsession-errors [15:18] BUGabundo, i have the stack trace [15:18] not here [15:18] Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [15:18] net_workarea_changed (icon_view=0xbb9400, window=) [15:18] at fm-desktop-icon-view.c:272 [15:18] maybe some plugin [15:19] is it *-0ubuntu5 ? [15:19] Installed: 1:2.32.2.1-0ubuntu5 [15:20] didrocks patched nautilus for a crash few hours ago, seems that caused it, report the bug and subscribe him I would say [15:20] 2.32.2.1-0ubuntu4 [15:20] i believe i am outdated then [15:21] rye: 5 doesn't work either [15:21] let me see if I have the old one to downgrade [15:22] -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.3M 2011-01-11 18:05 nautilus_1%3a2.32.2.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb [15:22] with me luck [15:22] *wish [15:23] s$ sudo dpkg -i nautilus_1%3a2.32.2.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb nautilus-data_1%3a2.32.2.1-0ubuntu3_all.deb libnautilus-extension1_1%3a2.32.2.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb [15:28] good luck, BUGabundo [15:29] no luck [15:29] doesn't start [15:29] so something else is messing it [15:29] not just nautilus packages [15:31] hm -0ubuntu5 worked for me [15:32] strange [15:32] maybe I need a reboot [15:33] I am as up-to-date as I can get without uninstalling important things and everything works for me [15:34] I don't have the latest compiz, unity, or indicator stuff since they are all kinds of fubar right now [15:34] We are going through a compiz plugin ABI change and a dbusmenu ABI change at the same time [15:35] So those all fail for using the wrong compiz or the wrong dbusmenu [15:36] * BluesKaj decides to postpone gnome desktop for a bit ...maybe in a few weeks I'll try it on my other natty install [15:39] Amaranth: latest compiz here [15:39] just not extra [15:40] * Amaranth pushed an extras package to bzr [15:40] I guess I should just upload it [15:40] in the meantime kde4.6RC2 seems to be holding it's own [15:43] Amaranth: The following packages have unmet dependencies: compiz-fusion-plugins-extra: Depends: compiz-core-abiversion-20101111 which is a virtual package. [15:43] BUGabundo: I know [15:44] kk [15:44] BUGabundo: here in a couple minutes a new package will be heading for the archive [15:44] well, heading for the build queue anyway [15:45] thanks [15:45] I thought didrocks did it on friday... :/ [15:48] Chocolate Chunk Cookies! [16:00] !info gimp [16:00] gimp (source: gimp): The GNU Image Manipulation Program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.11-1ubuntu4 (natty), package size 4227 kB, installed size 12252 kB [16:11] BUGabundo: I'm a little rusty on package uploading so it took longer than expected but a new extra package is uploaded now [16:11] :) [16:11] BUGabundo: You'll have it by the end of the day, at any rate [16:11] no hurry [16:11] Just have to wait for build and publish [16:11] I can't even start regular compiz right now [16:11] so extra has time === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === yuvipanda is now known as YuviPanda [17:01] BUGabundo: $ gksudo nautilus works.. [17:01] just to have a file manager for now.. [17:02] LOL [17:02] and breaking everything else [17:02] so is it dbus and user land? [17:12] I'm trying to test out unity-2d, but whenever i try installing unity-2d-default-settings, it tells me that it wont be installed! http://paste.ubuntu.com/554785/ [17:16] oh I didn't know that existed - I'm glad it does [17:17] MrMeh_: Sounds like some broken/changing packages [17:18] penguin42 at the end, it tells me that it's related to libunity0, but it still doesnt want to install! :/ [17:19] It has no reason for not installing, it just doesn't want to; it just hates me! :( [17:33] Okay In order to get Unity 2D installed, I have to get libunity0 install. However, that libindicator1 as a dependency. When I tried to install it, it told me that it's gonna remove everything including Unity itself, software center, transmission, nautilus, etc!! Help? [17:33] see /topic - the package probably still needs to be fixed [17:34] Other people were able to install this. [17:34] I can't install libindicator1 and unity at the same time either [17:39] BUGabundo: nautilus also broken here :( [17:39] I read in the alpha 1 release notes, that Ubuntu+1 will use Unity. Does that mean having Unity as the default desktop, in the desktop edition? Not the netbook one, but desktop? In other words, Ubuntu is moving on to a different interface? [17:40] yep, unity will be the default desktop shell [17:40] finally some drastic changes in the Ubuntu desktop [17:41] Wait a second - a tablet-like UI as default? [17:42] Any hints on what app I best use to make a backup of my whole system ? [17:43] Unity looks very promising. Is the stable netbook version in Ubuntu 10.10 usable on a desktop computer? [17:46] Why would you want that if Natty is available for the desktop? [17:47] charlie-tca: face it, some people don't want to use a dev version that is not even alpha 2 [18:03] o.0 [18:04] Then they should be in #ubuntu instead of #ubuntu+1 [18:05] WaltherFI: by being in this channel, they are looking at Natty, the development version. Not the stable releases :-) [18:06] charlie-tca: still, this is one of the support channels right? you should ansewer the questions - maybe some people are indeed "looking at" the dev version [18:06] um, this is only support for development versions [18:07] WaltherFI: charlie-tca nor anyone else here does not *have* to ans any Q [18:08] oh, i did not mean to be offensive, don't get mad please [18:08] cool.. :) [18:09] but like him, i am thoroughly interested at the idea of unity being the default [18:09] and i am not sure if i am interested at the idea in a positive way [18:10] WaltherFI: unity is the default for Ubuntu 11.04 , and yes it is modelled over the netbook UI, but will have modifications to suit desktop usage [18:10] The fact is that this is a very specialised support channel. It is not for general help [18:10] so is gnome-shell btw [18:11] hmm... what about the current gnome-desktop? [18:12] is it going to be discontinued / unsupported? [18:12] K. So I just upgraded to Natty Narwhal. Now - when I try to run "sudo freshclam" in Terminal - it tells me freshclam.log is locked by another process - and that there is a problem with the internal logger. How do I fix this? [18:12] hi all - how is Unity meant to work with 2+ monitors? [18:13] This has never happened before. I was told that Natty Narwhal is not yet released and not yet stable. Thoughts? [18:13] WaltherFI: current gnome desktop is available as classic desktop and will probably be replaced by gnome 3 in natty+1 [18:13] For starters - how do I unlock freshclam.log - or any other file for that matter? [18:13] mlmg317-himts: sorry to say, but it is not even alpha 2 stage yet, so you'll probably run into many random errors [18:14] mlmg317-himts: try to use lsof on the logfile, that might tell you what process is locking it [18:14] yofel: so unity will be default in natty, and we go back in gnome at natty+1 ? [18:14] WaltherFI: that I do not know [18:14] not rational, imo [18:15] yofel: So I run "lsof" in Terminal? You might have to step me through this a bit ... [18:15] mlmg317-himts: lsof [18:15] mlmg317-himts: lsof = list open files - depending on what you want you can filter by UID, PID, (grep for) directory, etc.. [18:16] yofel: OK. So when I run "lsof freshclam.log" - it tells me there is no such file or directory. I'm like, "WHAT !?" [18:16] yofel: This is WACKED OUT ... [18:17] mlmg317-himts: it just means that that file is not currently open (being used, thus "locked") in the system [18:17] mlmg317-himts: where is the file located [18:17] mlmg317-himts: you can't just run it on /home, can you [18:17] the file is somewhere else [18:17] i guess [18:18] WaltherFI: No - I usually run it on the entire file system. I don't really know where it is located. Can't I run a command in Terminal to figure this out? [18:18] locate [18:19] WaltherFI: OK - /var/log/clamav ... [18:20] mlmg317-himts: cd there, then run the lsof command [18:21] WaltherFI: K. Done. Now what? [18:21] mlmg317-himts: what does it show now? [18:21] WaltherFI: A very long list of stuff ... [18:21] it'll show you the PID of the process locking that file, using "kill -1 ###" on it [18:21] WaltherFI: What should I be looking for? [18:22] mlmg317-himts: well now you see the list of processes that lock the file [18:22] mlmg317-himts: did you run lsof in the clamav folder? just lsof will list all open files [18:24] WaltherFI: Maybe I'm doing something wrong. So I have ".... /var/log/clamav$ ... then I paste "lsof ... [WHAT?]" [18:24] mlmg317-himts: the file you were looking for? [18:25] mlmg317-himts: i don't personally know about that command, scroll up and see how the person above used the command [18:26] yofel: I entered in "lsof freshclam.log". I get nothing. It just pops up "... /var/log/clamav$" again ... [18:26] hm, then the file shouldn't be locked... [18:26] maybe try sudo lsof.. [18:28] yofel: OK - there we go. So now I get this result: " [18:28] WARNING: can't stat() fuse file system /home/mlmg317-himts/.gvfs [18:28] Output information may be incomplete. [18:28] yofel: What do you make of it? [18:29] ok, that's essentially none - should look similiar to this taking syslog as an example http://paste.ubuntu.com/554811/ [18:29] root (or rather any user who isn't you) can't read fuse filesystems that it didn't mount [18:29] does freshclam still fail? [18:30] yofel: Yes. Just tried running "sudo freshclam" again - same result ... [18:30] tsimpson: You'll have to explain a little further - I don't quite understand ... [18:30] then I'm personally out of ideas [18:31] tsimpson: fuse filesystems? [18:31] tsimpson: Then what do you suggest? [18:31] mlmg317-himts: well, gvfs is fuse-like, as it's all in userspace [18:32] just ignore the warning from lsof there, that's all I meant [18:33] yofel: OK - so tsimpson said to ignore the warning. So it does list the file "freshclam.log" ... so the file IS there ... [18:33] yofel: Man this annoying ... [18:33] mlmg317-himts: what does lsof list the file? [18:33] *what, [18:33] yofel: ? [18:33] mlmg317-himts: does lsof list the file or not? [18:34] yofel: [18:34] COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME [18:34] freshclam 1313 clamav 3wW REG 8,1 823 394925 freshclam.log [18:34] see, freshclam is already running! [18:34] yofel: Oh really. OK - so how do I know when it's finished? [18:35] no idea, I don't use clamav myself [18:35] yofel: That would be why ... [18:35] maybe it was triggered by cron [18:35] yofel: Interesting ... [18:35] yofel: cron. What's that? [18:35] automatic, scheduled service execution - read the manpage [18:36] yofel: OK - very good. So it does auto updates now in Natty Narwhal? [18:36] maybe? I don't know [18:36] yofel: Interesting. Well - I'll come back to this later ... [18:36] yofel: Thank you, though !!! [18:36] np [18:55] does java works fine on natty? [18:55] my firefox couldn [18:55] could not handle with some java cases [19:20] is anyone experiencing nautilus restarting after making changes with nvidia or cairo dock..or opening or closing certain applications === plantigrade1 is now known as avelldiroll [20:18] Hey anyone running natty and using the nvidia driver? [20:18] I need some help diagnosing a bug and getting it confirmed [20:20] here, what's the bug though? [20:20] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637757 [20:20] Banshee crasher [20:21] I just discovered it the crash doesn't happen when your running metacity, so it's compiz related [20:21] I don't use either, so probably can't help [20:21] * yofel uses KDE [20:22] you could always install compiz [20:22] and banshee [20:22] sure, but I'm not going to try compiz-kde, that usually crashes by itself, and installing gnome will take a while [20:22] enable the kde plugin in compiz and do compiz --replace [20:23] People actually run Compiz instead of KWin o.O? [20:23] rww: evidently some nutters do [20:23] very few I suspect [20:23] they do, we get a few people asking for help in #kubuntu about compiz-kde being broken. I don't like it [20:23] esp. since it really doesn't get much Q/A [20:23] some people just like to be different [20:24] I guess the quest for fire-emitting wobbly windows on a cube knows no bounds. [20:24] probably... [20:24] rww: indeed [20:24] so no one else running nvidia? [20:26] I run nvidia with Xubuntu, not with compiz [20:27] charlie-tca: cool, just install compiz and do compiz --replace, it's easily remedied with a metacity --replace, no lasting harm done. [20:27] heh, I have had a really bad time with compiz [20:28] but let me boot my spare up [20:28] charlie-tca: you'll only have to run it long enough to allow banshee to crash [20:28] charlie-tca: thanks [20:28] and it is so important I don't time to throw an nvidia card in the spare and boot it? [20:30] I don't know, whether it's important enough for your time is up to you. [20:30]