[00:00] <ddecator> ZeRoDeAtH50435: is ubuntu the only OS on your system, or do you dual-boot?
[00:05] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> my drive is fine put in ubuntu install disk and it loaded right up
[00:10] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> but my os still doesnt detect their is a disk in the drive
[00:11] <yax51> ZeRoDeAtH50435: what OS are you running?
[00:11] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ubuntu 10.10
[00:14] <yax51> ZeRoDeAtH50435: but it detects the drive, but just no disc right?
[00:14] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yeah
[00:20] <yax51> ZeRoDeAtH50435: Have you tried to do a driver update?
[00:20] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> no
[00:20] <ddecator> and there is the obligatory "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
[00:21] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> laptop
[00:21] <yax51> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1664272&highlight=maverick+read+CD
[00:21] <ddecator> but have you rebooted at any point since experiencing the issue? i had the same problem you're having about a year ago, and a reboot fixed it for me
[00:22] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> yes twice
[00:23] <ddecator> strange...unfortunately i'm not very good with hardware issues :/
[00:23] <ddecator> well, i guess this is more of a software issue, but yah
[00:23] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> the twice time put in a install disk booted right in to  it just checked the drive and it showed up ejected it put different disk in and it doesnt detect
[00:24] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> secon
[00:24] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> dd
[00:25] <yax51> ZeRoDeAtH50435: what machine are you running?
[00:26] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> sony vaio
[00:32] <yax51> ZeRoDeAtH50435:http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/10/11/ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat-are-you-experiencing-problems/
[00:32] <yax51> this might hep, didnt read all of it though
[00:32] <yax51> go to go
[00:34] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> ok I fixed the problem
[00:34] <ddecator> woo :)
[01:05]  * jasono is away: I'm busy
[01:55] <thewrath> hey all!
[01:55] <ddecator> hey thewrath
[01:57] <thewrath> wats up
[01:57] <ddecator> doing some homework atm. how are you?
[02:05] <kristian_> I keep getting missing gstreamer dependencies for radiotray :(
[02:08] <ddecator> does it say what package?
[02:17] <kristian_> not as far as I can see... I got almost anything named gstreamer0.10-plugin* at this point
[02:19] <kristian_> holy smoke, it seems to be working now :D
[02:19] <ddecator> good :)
[02:19] <kristian_> it's a very neat idea but still beta-ish...
[02:20] <kristian_> or perhaps my distro is
[03:06]  * hajour goodnight all
[05:13] <egossett> Hello
[05:13] <ddecator> hey egossett
[05:14] <egossett> Hi ddecator
[05:14] <egossett> I have a question
[05:14] <ddecator> go ahead and ask :)
[05:14] <egossett> can i run kde in 10.04 lts
[05:14] <ddecator> yes
[05:14] <egossett> i want to keep 10.04 no maverick for me
[05:15] <egossett> o
[05:15] <egossett> ok
[05:15] <elise001> Hello
[05:15] <egossett> Hi elise001
[05:15] <egossett> i set updates to only lts ones
[05:15] <ddecator> you can install kubuntu-desktop to install kde, and then at the login screen you can choose gnome or kde
[05:15] <ddecator> hey elise001
[05:15] <egossett> ok
[05:15] <elise001> I would appreciate help with installing Ubuntu updates. Seem to be stuck in loop.
[05:16] <egossett> i am gonna try this
[05:16] <ddecator> elise001: how so?
[05:16] <egossett> ddecator: thank you
[05:16] <ddecator> egossett: no problem. i'm actually installing kde on 10.10 right now :)
[05:17] <egossett> use software center right
[05:17] <elise001> Says 42 updates have been selected.
[05:17] <egossett> elise001: i had to set the updates to take only the lts so i would know what i was getting. but that is all i can say to you
[05:17] <ddecator> egossett: if it's in there. if not, you can run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" or find the kubuntu-desktop package using synaptic
[05:17] <ddecator> elise001: in the update manager?
[05:17] <egossett> ddecator: checking now
[05:17] <egossett> thank you
[05:18] <elise001> I click on Install Updates button. System chugs along for a while. Then displays I have 42 updates to install again. Frustrating. {lease help.
[05:19] <ddecator> elise001: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[05:20] <elise001> ddecator: Ubuntu 11.04
[05:21] <ddecator> elise001: there are two possibilities i can think of. 1) you need to restart, 2) some updates didn't install properly. is the "power" icon in the top-right corner red?
[05:21] <elise001> egossett: What is lts please?
[05:21] <ddecator> 10.04
[05:21] <egossett> lts is long term support
[05:21] <ddecator> right
[05:22] <egossett> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is what i am using
[05:22] <elise001> ddecator: Power icon in top right corner not red.
[05:22] <ddecator> elise001: alright, so that isn't the issue. can you open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade" without the quotations please? that will either install the updates, or give you a message saying if something went wrong
[05:23] <elise001> I would like to see commands execute as installation happens. I mean see the script execute. How do I do that?
[05:23] <ddecator> the command i gave you will do that :)
[05:23] <egossett> kubuntu desktop was in the synaptic
[05:23] <elise001> ddecator: I will do that.
[05:24] <ddecator> egossett: yup, select to install that and it will select everything needed for kde
[05:24] <egossett> yes unpacking now
[05:25] <ddecator> egossett: after it's done, you can logout and select kde on the bottom panel of the login screen (might be listed as Kubuntu instead of KDE)
[05:25] <egossett> geez you would never get this sort of help with windows stuff
[05:25] <egossett> kk smile
[05:25] <yofel> should be listed as KDE
[05:25] <ddecator> thanks yofel
[05:26] <egossett> awesome dude - big smile
[05:26] <ddecator> 10.10 says "Ubuntu Desktop Edition" instead of "GNOME" so i wasn't sure what 10.04 would say
[05:26] <egossett> kk
[05:26] <egossett> it has taken me over 2 years to get this far
[05:27] <yofel> I'm quite sure we kept KDE, only KDE 4.6 renamed that into 'KDE Plasma Workspace'
[05:27] <ddecator> ah, i see. 4.6 is what i'm installed atm, haha
[05:27] <egossett> i have the ubuntu 8.04 bible and now the koppel book on 10.04. but i seem to be a stable user now
[05:27] <ddecator> egossett: congrats :)
[05:28] <ddecator> s/installed/installing
[05:28] <egossett> stable on one laptop I have a second laptop and an OLD DELL dimension which i want to put the server ubuntu on. not yet tho
[05:28] <ddecator> setting up the server edition is a good learning experience
[05:29] <egossett> i bet
[05:29] <yofel> (setting up gentoo is a good learning experience - if you ever want to spend a vacation on it)
[05:29] <egossett> my brother says i need a larger hd for the server. the drive is only 60gb right now
[05:29] <ddecator> haha, so i've heard
[05:29] <egossett> what is gentoo?
[05:30] <ddecator> egossett: depends what you plan to use the server for. 60GB can be more than enough
[05:30] <yofel> another linux distribution - you should know quite a bit about linux though before trying that
[05:30] <yofel> very manual setup
[05:30] <egossett> well i won't even try then
[05:30] <yofel> starts with chrooting and compiling your own kernel :P
[05:30] <egossett> i am a teacher and i want class file on server
[05:31] <ddecator> yah, it's for advanced users, haha
[05:31] <egossett> my school gives me 1 tb drive space but i don't want my files there
[05:31] <yofel> ah, server should work fine - although the only difference from a server and a desktop is that the server edition doesn't come with a graphical environment installed by default
[05:32] <egossett> and it is vpn which makes me sick in windows and i am sick of vpn
[05:32] <yofel> and a few settings changed
[05:32] <egossett> ok - i will remember that
[05:32] <elise001> ddecator: First, I keyed in the cmd up to the semicolon. Got "something wicked happened resolving 'security.ubuntu.com:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
[05:32] <egossett> i am gonna reboot in kde now be back
[05:32] <ddecator> yah, 60GB should be plenty for something like that. just keep in mind what the guidelines of your ISP are (some restrict server use on personal accounts)
[05:32] <elise001> Then a bunch of commands executed.
[05:32] <egossett> ok
[05:32] <yofel> egossett: logging out should be enough
[05:33] <egossett> thanks did not know that
[05:33] <egossett> log out thank
[05:33] <egossett> one minute brb
[05:33] <yofel> 3rd time today I say that..., and it's 6:30 am!
[05:33] <ddecator> elise001: any other error messages?
[05:33] <ddecator> yofel: said what? logging out should be enough?
[05:33] <yofel> yep
[05:33] <ddecator> haha
[05:33] <elise001> Then W: Failed to fetch msg.
[05:34] <ddecator> interesting..
[05:34] <yofel> hm, I only get that 'something wicked happened resolving blabla...' when my resolv.conf is empty (DNS settings not there)
[05:34] <elise001> Then E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored,.... msg.
[05:35] <yofel> elise001: are you connected to the internet?
[05:35] <yofel> er...
[05:35] <ddecator> haha
[05:35] <yofel> obviously your are..
[05:35] <ddecator> that's the interesting part
[05:35] <ddecator> maybe the server is having issues?
[05:35] <elise001> Then tried both commands, with semicolon inbetween them.
[05:36] <yofel> hm, pinging security.ubuntu.com works, so the routing is up
[05:37] <elise001> Where is resolv.conf?
[05:38] <yofel>  /etc/resolv.conf - but that should be set when you connect to the internet. Do you need to use a proxy server of any kind?
[05:38] <egossett> back
[05:38] <ddecator> yah, that shouldn't be the issue
[05:38] <egossett> it is very nice
[05:38] <ddecator> egossett: wb :)
[05:38] <yofel> egossett: nice to hear :)
[05:38] <egossett> quassell irc is better than xchat
[05:38] <yofel> :D
[05:38] <ddecator> irssi ftw
[05:39] <egossett> smile
[05:39] <ddecator> elise001: have you successfully installed updates in the past?
[05:39] <egossett> i tried irssi yesterday, to many commands for me
[05:39] <JackyAlcine> I'm using Pidgin for IRC right now, it's pretty great. :D
[05:40] <yofel> irssi takes getting used to, I use quassel for it's split core/client (only useful if you have a server though)
[05:40] <ddecator> i starting using irssi so i could use screen, but now my irc server is turned off back home, haha
[05:40] <ddecator> anyway
[05:41] <elise001> ddecator: I think so. Brought up Firefox and attempting to read my email to see if I can get to websites. Slow computer. Computer had trouble detecting wifi before. You guys helped me. Think you had me install updates then.
[05:41] <ddecator> hm, so it's most likely something recent
[05:42] <elise001> Firefox says that this is taking longer than usual and to try relodaing page.
[05:42] <ddecator> maybe it's timing out?
[05:43] <elise001> Maybe. 2wire493 now connected.
[05:43] <egossett> hi jacky and nit wit
[05:43] <ddecator> not sure if timing out would give that error message though
[05:44] <yofel> if the DNS is timing out it's possible
[05:44] <ddecator> we could try google's dns servers and see if that helps, otherwise just waiting until the isp fixes their dns server might work as well
[05:45] <elise001> Tried lodaing basic html. Same problem. zwire connected 100 percent. DNS messed up? How tell this?
[05:45] <ddecator> elise001: up to you really. we could try using google's dns servers and we can walk you through how to do that, or you can try again tomorrow and see if it works
[05:46] <ddecator> you wouldn't be able to load websites
[05:47] <ddecator> so if no websites will load, but your internet is working (which it obviously is since you're here) that may very well be the problem
[05:47] <elise001> I will get my other computer that runs window XP and try to access websites from it. Please wait a few minutes while I go get computer. Thanks.
[05:47] <ddecator> sure thing
[05:47] <ddecator> in the mean time, i'm going to switch to kde, brb
[05:52] <elise001> ddecator:Turning on the Samsung netbook that runs Windows XP.
[05:55] <elise001> Double clicked on Firefox icon.
[05:56] <elise001> Got Google webpage and clicking on Gmail link.
[05:56] <elise001> Got gmail and read a msg.
[05:57] <ddecator> hm, so the DNS is fine
[05:58] <yofel> elise001: does running 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' list a nameserver line?
[05:59] <elise001> ddecator: So what should I do to be able to access websites via Firefox on Ubuntu? Hey, Gmail just came up on Ubuntu system! Probing further.
[06:00] <ddecator> haha, maybe it got fixed in that short time
[06:01] <egossett> wow i really like kde better
[06:03] <elise001> ddecator: On the terminal screen, last line: 8% [7 libc6-dev 194.0kB/2,726kB 7%]
[06:04] <ddecator> that means it's downloading the updates :)
[06:09] <egossett> i can get my google calender right on desktop panel
[06:11] <Elise001> This is Elise001. All of a sudden my computer running Ubuntu turned off. Now using mIrc from Windows XP system. Will start other system.
[06:12] <egossett> Elise001: you are having a time.
[06:19] <elise001_> Firefox working now. And something is happening in terminal window.
[06:19] <ddecator> that's progress :)
[06:20] <MrAnthrope> I'm trying to make a very simple bash script. When I type the script's name in the Run box it just opens it in gedit >.< what am i doing wrong?
[06:20] <yofel> MrAnthrope: did you give the script executable permissions?
[06:20] <MrAnthrope> No :)
[06:21] <yofel> if not, either add those with nautilus or 'chmod +x <script>' or use 'bash <script>' when running it
[06:21] <elise001_> Even though got E: Some index files have failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead, .....
[06:22] <MrAnthrope> Alright, next problem. I want to bind the script to a key. The script now works when I type it into the Run box, but not through CCSM. Nothing happens.
[06:22] <ddecator> elise001_: any error messages besides that one?
[06:24] <MrAnthrope> Is there a different/easier way to bind keys to scripts?
[06:24] <MrAnthrope> Than through compiz.
[06:24] <elise001_> Last 2 lines say Get:9 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates/main libc6-dev.......75%
[06:24] <ddecator> so it's still downloading updates
[06:25] <elise001_> No complaints about Gets 1-8. Good.
[06:25] <elise001_> Yes, thanks.
[06:29] <Elise001> This is Elise001 back on my netbook running Windows XP, because screen on Ubuntu computer now has funny repeating pattern.
[06:29] <Elise001> When that happens, I have to remove battery to turn off computer and restart.
[06:30] <Elise001> Not happy to do so in middle of updates/Gets. Might need help from you guys please.
[06:30] <Elise001> Here goes.
[06:32] <Elise001> Removed and replaced battery, after removing power cord.
[06:33] <Elise001> Pressed power button after reattaching power cord. Selected Ubuntu instead of Windows Vista, and then the top Ubuntu selection.
[06:33] <Elise001> Logging in with password. Got Ubuntu sign-on music.
[06:35] <Elise001> Gave the authentication password required by wireless network. Did not get same windows as before. Drats.
[06:38] <Elise001> 2wire came up.
[06:39] <Elise001> www.google.com coming up very slowly.
[06:41] <Elise001> ddecator: Should I type in the 2 sudo commands in terminal window?
[06:41] <ddecator> Elise001: or you can try the update manager again if that's what you prefer
[06:43] <Elise001> ddecator: Hey, my computer running Ubuntu just turned off and turned on again. Then it had me type in my password again. Strange.
[06:44] <ddecator> Elise001: did it log you out? or maybe it locked the screen?
[06:46] <Elise001> ddecator: Not sure. But I keyed in the 2 sudo cmds, seperated by semicolon, and then the password that was requested.
[06:47] <Elise001> ddecator: zwire is connected at 100%. But getting Something wicked msgs about us.archive.ubuntu.com
[06:48] <ddecator> Elise001: sorry, i'm personally at a loss as to what is causing that :/
[06:48] <ddecator> anyone else have a guess?
[06:49] <Elise001> ddecator: Got at least 4 W: Failed to fetch msgs and 1 E: Some index files failed to download msgs.
[06:49] <Elise001> Then Reading package lists...DOne
[06:50] <Elise001> Building dependency tree.
[06:50] <Elise001> Reading state information...Done
[06:51] <Elise001> The following packages will be updated: apparmor, apparmor-utils,......xserver-xorg-core
[06:52] <egossett> will log outt again but will brb - following your work here
[06:52] <Elise001> 42 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[06:53] <ddecator> enter "y" without the quotes to update everything
[06:53] <Elise001> Need to get 23.2MB/25.4MB of archives.
[06:53] <ddecator> (if you didn't already)
[06:53] <Elise001> After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used.
[06:54] <Elise001> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[06:55] <ddecator> that will actually download and install the updates :)
[06:56] <Elise001> Get:1 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-updates/main lib........7%] (last 2 lines) (got tired of typing)
[06:56] <Elise001> Good. Thanks.
[06:57] <Elise001> I think I'll move the cursor every so often, in case that's the problem.
[06:57] <Elise001> 8% now. I'l let you know when and if it goes on to next step.
[06:58] <Elise001> On Get:2 at 10%. I'll let you know how it goes in a few minutes. Sorry to keep bothering you.
[07:04] <Elise001> I got a different repeating pattern on screen of my Compaq running Ubuntu while doing Get 2. Drats. Hardware problem? Was moving curser every so often.
[07:05] <Elise001> Virus?
[07:05] <Elise001> Removed power cord and battery to turn off Compaq.
[07:06] <Elise001> Reinserted battery and power cord. Pressed start button. Selected Ubuntu, not Windows.
[07:07] <Elise001> Selected Ubuntu, not Ubuntu in recovery mode. Wondering if screen problem again, should I select recovery mode Ubuntu.
[07:07] <Elise001> About to key in password.
[07:08] <Elise001> Ubuntu sign-on music.
[07:08] <Elise001> Zwire conection established.
[07:15] <Elise001> In Get 2
[07:16] <Elise001> 12%
[07:17] <Elise001> 15%
[07:21] <Elise001> On Get 3 now. But on Get 2 Err http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu maverick-security/main libc6-dev amd64 2.12.1-0ubuntu10.1       Connection failed [IP: 91........
[07:22] <Elise001> Got thru Get 3 ok
[07:23] <Elise001> Screen blue. Drats.
[07:23] <Elise001> Frustrated,
[07:24] <Elise001> Taking a break while not removing power cord and battery yet.
[07:31] <Elise001> I'm back. Running Windows Memory Diagnostics Tool on my Compaq. Will try Ubuntu later.
[07:35] <Elise001> No problems detected yet.
[07:42] <nlsthzn> Silly question, doesn't Ubuntu also have an option to test memory at boot-up anymore?
[07:46] <hobgoblin> nlsthzn: it does here
[07:47] <nlsthzn> hobgoblin: thx (was just wondering in line of Elise001 scanning memory from Windows :p)
[07:48] <hobgoblin> oic - no idea what Elise001 is up to - only just joined channel :)
[07:48] <nlsthzn> me too
[07:49]  * nlsthzn can't wait for 11.4 so he can switch back to Ubuntu on his laptop and start using it again...
[07:49] <ChrisDruif> nlsthzn: Isn't 10.10 good enough for ya?
[07:49] <hobgoblin> 10.10 not working?
[07:51] <Elise001> No memory problems.
[07:52] <nlsthzn> ChrisDruif: sure it is... but I currently have Sabayon on the lappy and I also prefer openSUSE over Ubuntu currently, however 11.04 is bringing some interesting new things to the table :D
[07:53] <Elise001> I was trying to install Ubuntu updates. Screen kept on freezing with strange patterns on it during Get 2, Get 3, Get 4 different times.
[07:54] <ChrisDruif> Isn't all linux the same? Only how it's installed and which default apps are installed? An how many times you can expect updates from the main repos>
[07:56] <ChrisDruif> Gtg....see y'all later
[08:06] <Elise001> Thanks and bye.
[12:34] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[12:37] <akshatj> hi Silver_Fox_
[12:38] <Silver_Fox_> Hello akshatj
[12:38] <Silver_Fox_> How are you ?
[12:38] <akshatj> fine
[12:55] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[12:55] <Silver_Fox_> Hello kristian-aalborg
[12:56] <kristian-aalborg> so... who found the method to absolutely, positively remove those unneded language packs?
[12:56] <kristian-aalborg> I do "completely remove" in synaptic, but they still seem to be "wanted" somewhere as aptitude lists them as such
[13:03] <geirha> Hello :)
[13:04] <Silver_Fox_> Hello geirha
[13:05] <geirha> apt-cache rdepends language-pack-en-base   # that'll show all packages that depend on language-pack-en-base
[13:46] <ggeorgy> do you know any j2me emulator for ubuntu like midpx???
[13:46] <ggeorgy> ????
[13:46] <ggeorgy>  :)
[13:47] <ggeorgy> ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[13:47] <ggeorgy> so?????????????
[14:10] <geirha> And the patience award goes to ... *drumroll*
[14:12] <hobgoblin> anyone using the forum
[14:12] <akshatj> hobgoblin: askubuntu is where all the cool kids are
[14:12] <akshatj> :P
[14:13] <hobgoblin> I refuse to use it
[14:18] <geirha> What's askubuntu?
[14:19] <oCean> http://askubuntu.com/
[14:50] <montel> lol
[14:54] <bioterror> root :G
[15:05] <bioterror> gzm, welcome back, what was your problem
[15:06] <gzm> Hi bioterror, can ubuntu backup system for system fail recovery ?
[15:06] <gzm> eg: backup to iso file etc.
[15:07] <cprofitt> gzm: yes
[15:07] <bioterror> dd if=/dev/sda /media/Backup/backup.iso
[15:07] <cprofitt> gzm: there are several ways to do it... dd would do it by block
[15:07] <bioterror> that's really primitive way to do it
[15:07] <cprofitt> you can also use products like PING
[15:08] <gzm> is it the best way to backup system in ubuntu ?
[15:08] <bioterror> cprofitt, I use ping at my work
[15:08] <bioterror> cprofitt, another tool could be clonezilla
[15:08] <gzm> ping ?
[15:08] <bioterror> ping is not a ghost
[15:08] <bioterror> or what is it :D
[15:08] <gzm> as I know ping is a network tool
[15:09] <bioterror> http://ping.windowsdream.com/
[15:10] <gzm> good,PING can create bootable recovery CD !
[15:10] <cprofitt> the most recent one I have heard of is FOG
[15:10] <bioterror> we make images of windows xp's and install new laptops from network with ping
[15:11] <cprofitt> http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeghost/
[15:11] <gzm> ok.. I got it , How do you think it's for backup linux system ?
[15:11] <cprofitt> gzm: the think you have to do is determine if you want a complete system backup or just a data backup
[15:11] <gzm> I am talking about backup linux system
[15:11] <cprofitt> they you have to figure out your time objective
[15:11] <cprofitt> and your data loss tolerance
[15:11] <bioterror> gzm, where are you going to move that iso file
[15:11] <cprofitt> how long can it take to recover?
[15:11] <cprofitt> how much data are you willing to lose?
[15:12]  * phillw is also a fan of clonezilla.
[15:12] <bioterror> clonezilla is powerful
[15:12] <cprofitt> You can not take ghosts at every data change, but you can use a near real-time data replication process
[15:12] <cprofitt> assuming you have the resources to do it -- server or removable drive
[15:12] <bioterror> but with DD you can do it on the fly
[15:12] <gzm> hmm.. for my desktop, I want to save the desktop settings, and my files . to same disk maybe, but it should be recovered even it can not be booted .
[15:13] <bioterror> not with same disk
[15:13] <bioterror> :D
[15:13] <bioterror> it's not a safe backup
[15:13] <cprofitt> gzm: saving to the same disk is only a solution for you accidently making a mistake
[15:13] <cprofitt> for disk failure all would be lost
[15:13] <gzm> I know, but for home usage , I need not so "safe" to another PC .
[15:14] <cprofitt> that is why it is important to determine what you want
[15:14] <bioterror> gzm, you can think about application called hdup
[15:14] <phillw> gzm: well, firstly you will want to make /home a seperate partiton. Getting an external drive is cheap these days.
[15:14] <cprofitt> for home usage I used a USB attached drive
[15:14] <cprofitt> $99 for 2TB is the latest price I saw... and it was USB 3.0 too
[15:14] <phillw> cprofitt: as do I :) handy little things.
[15:14] <gzm> ok ? yes, maybe a 2 or 4G USB disk is also a option .
[15:15] <cprofitt> gzm: for small home directories yes
[15:15] <bioterror> gzm, is it? few hunder RAW pictures and it's 4GB :)
[15:15] <cprofitt> if you do any photography or store music there -- no
[15:15] <gzm> hehe, I wont save movies
[15:16] <gzm> I just want to know the basic backup function of ubuntu
[15:16] <cprofitt> this book is awesome -- http://www.amazon.com/Backup-Recovery-Inexpensive-Solutions-Systems/dp/0596102461/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1295190958&sr=8-1
[15:16] <cprofitt> I am part of the way through it and learing a great deal abou the options I have
[15:16] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem
[15:16] <gzm> thanks you all introduced so many tools,but I really want to know what
[15:16] <gzm> what's the general tool which can do it
[15:17] <gzm> thanks. bioterror.
[15:17] <cprofitt> do you want scheduled or near real time backups?
[15:17] <bioterror> hdup in cron is a smart one
[15:18] <gzm> ok,thanks ,let me study it
[15:18] <cprofitt> rsync is a near real-time option
[15:19] <gzm> for system synchronize, I am reading docs for Xen, is ubuntu have solutioin for real system synchronize between two PCs or servers ?
[15:19] <cprofitt> bioterror: wow... that page needs a lot of work
[15:19] <bioterror> cprofitt :D
[15:20] <cprofitt> I see I may need to work on that page in the next few weeks
[15:23] <gzm> ? no one know it ?
[15:23] <ChrisDruif> Doesn't Ubuntu use "standard" css-stylesheets? Because I see a lot of old-style help pages :S
[15:24] <ChrisDruif> You want to sync one account on 2 (or more) systems?
[15:24] <gzm> No , the full system
[15:25] <bioterror> put your system make dd if=/dev/sda of=/media/Backup/backup.img   in cron ;)
[15:25] <ChrisDruif> With account I mean all the settings/program an account has installed/setup.....but you mean complete system...
[15:25] <bioterror> you get mountable image file which you can use for recovery
[15:25] <gzm> yes, but it depends backup frequency ..
[15:26] <gzm> no real time solution?
[15:26] <bioterror> with cron you can add it daily, hourly, what ever
[15:26] <ChrisDruif> So semi-real-time...
[15:26] <gzm> ok,maybe it's a foolish question I asked .
[15:27] <bioterror> it's not
[15:27] <ChrisDruif> gzm: The aren't stupid or dumb questions :)
[15:27] <bioterror> there's just few ways to do it what you want
[15:27] <ChrisDruif> the=there
[15:27] <cprofitt> gzm: they are questions most do not even think to ask...
[15:27] <cprofitt> dude... they are very good questions
[15:27] <cprofitt> and many, many sys admins have different opinions...
[15:27] <ChrisDruif> cprofitt: Or bother to do at all O:-)
[15:27] <gzm> so I will try Xen for doing this .
[15:30] <ChrisDruif> While we are discussing backups ;) I've got a question which is to a degree related with that :P
[15:31] <ChrisDruif> I want to sync an account (program, keyboard shortcuts, etc) between 2 pc's, what could my options be?
[15:33] <bioterror> scp -r chrs chris@anothercomputer:/home/.
[15:33] <bioterror> :D
[15:33] <bioterror> or you can use rsync and it will run too over ssh or what ever
[15:33] <bioterror> possibilities ;)
[15:35] <gzm> I will record this command bioterror applied and try
[15:37] <bioterror> ChrisDruif, ofcourse you have to install applications when copying home directory to another, but you have configs even tho ;)
[15:38] <ChrisDruif> Well....maybe not everything everything....I don't need to sync about 300GB of files for instance :P
[15:38] <gzm> synchronize all folders to other PC then ...
[15:40] <ChrisDruif> Lemma check in term what scp is :P
[15:41] <bioterror> ChrisDruif, it's a file transfer over ssh
[15:41] <ChrisDruif> Ow...what I might need to add is that the computers aren't on the same network :P
[15:42] <ChrisDruif> And that would mean that both PC's need to be on?
[15:42] <bioterror> naturally?
[15:42] <ChrisDruif> Well....not really :P
[15:42] <bioterror> how else you can move data
[15:42] <ChrisDruif> I was thinking about using Dropbox or Ubuntu One or something to sync :)
[15:43] <ChrisDruif> Like I sync all my pidgin settings and logs with dropbox...I want to be able to sync with dropbox....if at all possible :)
[15:55] <pumba_> hello
[15:55] <pumba_> can you help me?
[15:55] <AbhiJit> pumba_, ask
[15:55] <pumba_> hi abhijit, i have just installed ubuntu on my laptop, ubuntu 10.10
[15:55] <pumba_> i had already windows over it, so it installed it in another partition
[15:56] <pumba_> but now at start it gives me this ugly black menu
[15:56] <pumba_> to choose ubuntu or windows 7
[15:56] <pumba_> how can I change this ugly console menu to something graphical?
[15:56] <pumba_> with colours?
[15:57] <pumba_> i have tried to search in google but its so confusing.. grub, grub2.. burg...
[15:58] <pumba_> which one I have??
[15:58] <AbhiJit> !burg
[15:58] <ubot2> Factoid 'burg' not found
[15:58] <ChrisDruif> Use Burg pumba_ :)
[15:58] <AbhiJit> pumba_, thats not ugly and its called gas  grub.
[15:58] <pumba_> chris, may i install this burg, over the ugly one I have by default?
[15:58] <ChrisDruif> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/11/burg-boot-manager-tool-updated-1-0/
[15:59] <AbhiJit> pumba_, see this http://code.google.com/p/burg/
[15:59] <AbhiJit> pumba_, yes you can install. but that burg its more resources and if you dont have powerful hardware it will slow down boot time
[15:59] <ChrisDruif> That site is btw a good Ubuntu news site :)
[15:59] <pumba_> i tried to look it up in the ubuntu software centre from my laptop but it cannot find anything about burg!
[15:59] <ChrisDruif> AbhiJit: He want's pretty :P
[16:00] <ChrisDruif> pumba_: Burg isn't in the current repos :)
[16:00] <ChrisDruif> You need to install the burg ppa :)
[16:00] <pumba_> abhijit, what u mean by powerful hardwarE? my laptop has 2gb memory and a centrino duo 1,8
[16:00] <AbhiJit> pumba_, see the site i give
[16:00] <pumba_> is that okay?
[16:00] <AbhiJit> no idea
[16:01] <AbhiJit> but btw you just going to see that grub for some second? why are you bothering about it?
[16:01] <pumba_> ok let me have a look at these sites, be right back in a moment
[16:01] <AbhiJit> ChrisDruif, :)
[16:01] <pumba_> abhijit, the fact is that that console is all black
[16:01] <pumba_> and when it boots ubuntu
[16:01] <pumba_> nothing shows up on the screen , always black
[16:01] <AbhiJit> pumba_, its the default setting.
[16:01] <pumba_> until desktop comes up
[16:01] <AbhiJit> its black only by default
[16:01] <pumba_> in windows i have the flickering logo during boot and its nice...
[16:01] <pumba_> in ubuntu nothing :(
[16:02] <ChrisDruif> Ow...is that your problem :)
[16:02] <AbhiJit> pumba_, yeah and free viruses and warm and mulware and no security and.......................................................................................................
[16:02] <AbhiJit> hi Silver_Fox_
[16:02] <pumba_> yes also, my problem is to change that black console to something graphical, and have something to see while it boots, but first let me have a look at the links u copied...
[16:02] <ChrisDruif> We thought that you ment the grub (OS selector) was ugly...
[16:03] <pumba_> yes also that
[16:03] <pumba_> thats the priority
[16:03] <pumba_> secondarily... the image while booting
[16:03] <AbhiJit> pumba_, you can add photo to your grub
[16:03] <ChrisDruif> Alright....the "ugly" grub selector can be easily made pretty with burg...
[16:03] <AbhiJit> no need for burg if you want only is walklpaper
[16:03] <pumba_> then i have another thing to ask but.. lets not confuse too much for now
[16:03] <AbhiJit> !manual | pumba_
[16:03] <ubot2> pumba_: The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[16:04] <pumba_> in the manual its not written....
[16:05] <AbhiJit> pumba_, there are wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.com you can always refer there first. then there are 100s of website like omgubuntu or ubuntugeek.com etc
[16:05]  * AbhiJit thinks of telling his blog address too!!! :P
[16:05] <pumba_> chris and abhijit, in the sites you gave me there are the links to download burg but no mention on how to install this....
[16:05] <ChrisDruif> pumba_: In this page you can see the "pretty" OS selector themes of burg: http://www.sourceslist.eu/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/taben4.png
[16:06] <AbhiJit> pumba_, read the site carefully
[16:06] <AbhiJit> pumba_, http://pics.nase-bohren.de/windows_firewall.jpg
[16:06] <pumba_> oh!!! i love it, yes exactly like that I wanted :)
[16:07] <ChrisDruif> Too who was that pumba_? :P
[16:07] <pumba_> i think i have to get this burg manager
[16:07] <pumba_> and install it!
[16:07] <pumba_> i hope its an auto-install package....
[16:08] <ChrisDruif> And the site I gave, gave the link to the deb (thought it was a ppa) which you can install by double clicking it when you've downloaded it :)
[16:08] <AbhiJit> pumba_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Burg
[16:08] <pumba_> thanks
[16:09] <pumba_> look at this page: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/burg-boot-loader-installation-themeing-more-gets-even-easier-with-burg-manager-app/
[16:09] <pumba_> do you think that for me is better to download the .deb.. or to proceed with the 3 lines in the terminal?
[16:09] <ChrisDruif> pumba_: Check the link AbhiJit posted the last :)
[16:10] <ChrisDruif> Just this link in terminal: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bean123ch/burg
[16:11] <pumba_> yes but in that document is confusing cause it gives options to install... pc .. efi..etc...
[16:11] <pumba_> how can I know which one i have to?
[16:12] <ChrisDruif> after "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install burg" just use this command "sudo dpkg-reconfigure burg-pc"
[16:13] <pumba_> ok hold on...
[16:13] <pumba_> i try to give these commands
[16:13] <pumba_> brb
[16:13] <ChrisDruif> I think it auto-reconfigures so that it uses burg over grub
[16:13] <pumba_> i hope :/
[16:15] <ChrisDruif> You can even configure which OS to use by default :)
[16:16] <ChrisDruif> I've got burg running on my mother's laptop....was a bit of a hassle to make it default to Windows instead of Ubuntu :P
[16:16] <pumba_> its doing something on the second command...
[16:16] <pumba_> downloading from the net...
[16:16] <pumba_> now it asks,
[16:16] <pumba_> after this operation it will occupy 25,6 mb... continue? yes/no
[16:16] <pumba_> I proceed
[16:17] <ChrisDruif> Good :)
[16:17] <pumba_> oh...
[16:17] <ChrisDruif> You could even add -y to something you would install no matter how much space it would be occupy :)
[16:17] <pumba_> now a blue screen just came out in the terminal
[16:18] <ChrisDruif> What does it say?
[16:18] <pumba_> it asks for a linux command line
[16:18] <ChrisDruif> :-/
[16:18] <pumba_> but before that empty field
[16:18] <pumba_> it says
[16:18] <pumba_> the following command line bla bla bla... its been extracted from
[16:19] <pumba_> etc/default/grub...
[16:19] <pumba_> check if its correct and go on
[16:19] <ChrisDruif> Ow...:)
[16:19] <pumba_> but there's nothing in that field... no line
[16:19] <pumba_> i press okay anyway?
[16:19] <ChrisDruif> It grabs it's configuration from grub...
[16:19] <ChrisDruif> Can you post what it says to paste.ubuntu.com ?
[16:19] <pumba_> so I dont have to write anything in it? and just go on?
[16:20] <pumba_> how can i capture an image screenshot of that?
[16:20] <pumba_> from ubuntu?
[16:20] <pumba_> print screen doesnt work
[16:20] <ChrisDruif> It should work :-/
[16:21] <pumba_> ops
[16:21] <pumba_> sorry i had to press fn first
[16:21] <pumba_> yeah i grabbed, hold on i upload it
[16:21] <ChrisDruif> (paste.ubuntu.com is for text, not images :P)
[16:21] <AbhiJit> !imagebin
[16:22] <ubot2> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://tinyurl.com/imagebin and post a link to it.
[16:22] <ChrisDruif> That one, thanks AbhiJit :)
[16:22] <AbhiJit> :)
[16:22] <pumba_> im uploading in imageshack.. is that ok anyway?
[16:22] <ChrisDruif> As long as we can check it :)
[16:24] <pumba_> oh i forgot to say that its in italian........... but you should understand what it means anyway.. ?
[16:24] <pumba_> http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/6051/schermatacc.png
[16:24] <ChrisDruif> We only suggested it for really new people who don't know have any idea where they can post things like that :)
[16:25] <pumba_> its the upper right box
[16:25] <pumba_> with the blue and gray
[16:25] <pumba_> the field is empty
[16:27] <ChrisDruif> I see....I don't understand italian I'm afraid :P
[16:27] <pumba_> i can translate...
[16:27] <UndiFineD> !it
[16:27] <ubot2> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)
[16:28] <UndiFineD> :P
[16:28] <pumba_> italians are cold when they have to help
[16:28] <pumba_> i prefer to stay here :(
[16:28] <Red-Raven> hey.
[16:28] <UndiFineD> just meesing
[16:28] <UndiFineD> messing
[16:29] <pumba_> basically it says that it extracted the following command line (which is empty) from etc default grub or from the parameter kopf
[16:29] <pumba_> kopt, present in the menu.lst of the old grub
[16:29] <Red-Raven> im desperate. i caan't erase this write-protected, virus-infested pin drive, and not even the dd command worked. ive tried erasing and formating in Gparted, but the write-protection won't allow it.
[16:29] <Red-Raven> wow WTF?
[16:29] <pumba_> check if its correct  and modify it, if necessary.
[16:30] <pumba_> oh.. we are talking of 2 different things lol
[16:30] <pumba_> sorry!
[16:30] <Red-Raven> drew121 was my  name a month ago. whos using it?
[16:32] <pumba_> I click ok......lets see what happens
[16:32] <pumba_> quiet splash...
[16:33] <pumba_> now its complicate...
[16:33] <pumba_> it asks for Grub install devices:
[16:33] <pumba_> [] /dev/sda
[16:33] <pumba_> [] /dev/sdb
[16:33] <pumba_> where do i have to put the check? in sda.. sdb.. or both?
[16:34] <ChrisDruif> Red-Raven: sudo rm /path/to.file ?
[16:34] <geirha> Most likely /dev/sda
[16:34] <pumba_> lets try...
[16:34] <ChrisDruif> I thought it was sda as well....
[16:34] <pumba_> done.
[16:34] <geirha> Whichever harddrive the BIOS will boot, which is usually the first one.
[16:34] <pumba_> now the third line you said....
[16:34] <ChrisDruif> Most of the time that's the first drive...
[16:35] <pumba_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure burg-pc
[16:35] <pumba_> is still needed?
[16:35] <pumba_> or i can reboot?
[16:35] <Red-Raven> might work. but the virus doesn't show up as a file. so just put the pin drive's location as the file path?
[16:35] <geirha> Sounds like you already configured it. dpkg-reconfigure will probably just ask you the same questions again.
[16:35] <ChrisDruif> You can try to reboot.....if it doesn't work (aka, you see grub instead of burg) try that command...
[16:36] <pumba_> i see the ugly black screen again
[16:37] <pumba_> gnu grub version 1.98+20100804-5ubuntu3
[16:37] <pumba_> :(
[16:37] <ChrisDruif> You could also try this command: sudo burg-install "(hd0)"
[16:37] <pumba_> now i'm booting
[16:38] <pumba_> first i try sudo dpkg-reconfigure burg-pc or this one?
[16:39] <pumba_> i tried the reconfigure one
[16:39] <pumba_> but its the same procedure it did before
[16:39] <pumba_> with the blue screen and so on...
[16:39] <pumba_>  sudo burg-install "(hd0)"
[16:40] <pumba_> do i have to put also the " ?
[16:40] <geirha> Yes, to escape the ( and ) from being parsed by the shell
[16:40] <pumba_> installation finished. no error reported.
[16:40] <Red-Raven> whats he trying to do?
[16:40] <ChrisDruif> I copied the command from the ubuntu help page...
[16:41] <pumba_> im trying to install this ...burg
[16:41] <pumba_> i try to reboot again ,lets see.
[16:41] <pumba_> oh
[16:41] <pumba_> now something changed
[16:42] <pumba_> there's burg but i see just a console
[16:42] <ChrisDruif> For the better I hope? :D
[16:42] <pumba_> minimal bash
[16:42] <pumba_> and at the end, the grub> _
[16:42] <pumba_> waiting for something :/
[16:42] <ChrisDruif> Does it look like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Burg?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=proto.png ?
[16:42] <pumba_> no! its even more ugly that grub!
[16:42] <pumba_> because i have no os to choose
[16:43] <pumba_> just a prompt with grub> _
[16:43] <pumba_> what do i have to write there?
[16:44] <ChrisDruif> try 1?
[16:44] <pumba_> its like this
[16:44] <pumba_> http://bulma.net/beowulf/grub_bulma/imagen3-grub_shell.png
[16:44] <pumba_> instead that at top its written not grub
[16:44] <pumba_> but
[16:45] <pumba_> burg version 1.98+....etc
[16:45] <pumba_> unknown command "1"
[16:46] <pumba_> i guess I have to reinstall ubuntu? :(
[16:47] <ChrisDruif> I don't know...maybe someone else got some suggestions?
[16:48] <pumba_> if i can get to boot again into ubuntu
[16:48] <pumba_> thru a boot cd
[16:48] <pumba_> how can I repair grub?
[16:49] <pumba_> no, i cant :( neither with boot cd...
[16:52] <pumba_> probably that hd0 command killed the bootloader
[16:53] <ChrisDruif> It might have....I hope you didn't store too many things on the machine before messing with burg/grub?
[16:53] <pumba_> no it was a fresh install
[16:54] <pumba_> i just installed it when i came here
[16:54] <ChrisDruif> Alright :)
[16:54] <pumba_> its so easy how 2 commands can scr***w everything up :((
[16:55] <ChrisDruif> one is enough ;)
[16:55] <ChrisDruif> sudo rm -rf / ;)
[16:55] <pumba_> i hope windows there.. its still entire ... :/
[16:56] <ChrisDruif> It'll probably still be there :)
[16:56] <ChrisDruif> Only grub was messed up...
[16:58] <pumba_> reinstalling....
[16:58] <pumba_> now another hour will pass :/
[16:58] <tsimpson> ChrisDruif: please don't post that, even as a joke (people actually do run random commands they see)
[16:58] <ChrisDruif> Better then windows ;) 5 hours and counting :)
[16:58]  * tsimpson actually has it on highlight, pity me
[16:58] <pumba_> now i cant go on...
[16:59] <pumba_> its not easy as before...
[16:59] <ChrisDruif> tsimpson: Won't do it again :)
[16:59] <Red-Raven> did you wipe your HD?
[16:59] <pumba_> now it see the old ubuntu installation
[16:59] <pumba_> and its creating another partition for another ubuntu beside there...
[16:59] <pumba_> but it doesnt see the rest of the 40gb where windows is
[16:59] <ChrisDruif> Maybe you only need to recover grub?
[17:00] <pumba_> it see only 17,5 gb (old ubuntu)
[17:00] <pumba_> and 16,5 gb (new ubuntu)
[17:00] <ChrisDruif> And 16,5GB was windows?
[17:00] <pumba_> no
[17:00] <pumba_> the windows installation is 40gb
[17:00] <pumba_> the hdd is 80gb
[17:00] <ChrisDruif> Alright...
[17:00] <pumba_> but it doesnt see that partition
[17:00] <pumba_> before when i installed it.. it could see
[17:01] <ChrisDruif> Maybe you can do this first? http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/
[17:01] <pumba_> do i have to load ubuntu live from that installation cd?
[17:01] <pumba_> and open the console?
[17:01] <pumba_> and input the commands there?
[17:02] <ChrisDruif> Yeah :)
[17:03] <pumba_> but are we sure i'm using.. hd0 ?
[17:03] <pumba_> if i input sudo grub
[17:03] <pumba_> it says
[17:04] <pumba_> grub: command not found
[17:04] <ChrisDruif> I was wondering about that....Linux uses sda and sdb etc for hdd's...
[17:04] <ChrisDruif> afk
[17:09] <pumba_> im trying recover a damaged system
[17:09] <pumba_> option in the ubuntu 10.10 dvd
[17:09] <pumba_> but i dont know what it does..
[17:09] <pumba_> and if its able to recover grub.
[17:10] <ChrisDruif> Just try I would say....maybe boot to liveCD and back-up your files from the windows first?
[17:10] <hobgoblin> pumba_: did you try reinstalling grub yet? is it a normal dual boot or wubi?
[17:11] <ChrisDruif> hobgoblin: Normal :)
[17:11] <ChrisDruif> He wanted to make his grub more beautiful....
[17:11] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[17:11] <hobgoblin> pumba_: also if you are reinstalling then you can just overwrite the origianl install
[17:11] <holstein> ^^ how to recover grub from live CD
[17:11] <pumba_> i didn't touch windows
[17:12] <pumba_> i was only messed with ubuntu
[17:12] <holstein> grub boots windows
[17:12] <holstein> you touched what boots them both
[17:12] <pumba_> if i make a new install
[17:12] <ChrisDruif> Indeed...
[17:12] <pumba_> it see only 2 partition
[17:12] <hobgoblin> pumba_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20GRUB%202
[17:12] <pumba_> one of 16,7gb with ubuntu
[17:12] <pumba_> the other of 15 gb or so.. and ubuntu
[17:12] <pumba_> and the rest 40 gb (where windows is)
[17:13] <pumba_> i dont even see it
[17:13] <holstein> pumba_: you can fix what is broken
[17:13] <holstein> i wouldnt add an install
[17:13] <holstein> unless you need one
[17:13] <pumba_> how can I fix it?
[17:13] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[17:13] <holstein> and hobgoblin 's link
[17:14] <pumba_> the problem is that
[17:14] <pumba_> i installed burg already
[17:14] <pumba_> and it doesnt even see grub now
[17:14] <hobgoblin> reinstall grub2
[17:14] <holstein> yup
[17:14] <holstein> lose burg
[17:14] <holstein> and try and get back to normal
[17:15] <pumba_> as live cd, may i use the already made ubuntu 10.10 dvd ?
[17:15] <hobgoblin> yep
[17:15] <pumba_> ok, i try to boot with it as live
[17:16] <holstein> try?
[17:16] <holstein> tell it what to do :)
[17:16] <hobgoblin> pumba_: when you get there open a terminal - run sudo fdisk -l and paste the information to paste.ubuntu.com - put a name in the name box and hit paste - give us the new url
[17:17] <pumba_> its loading
[17:19] <pumba_> finally its booting
[17:19] <pumba_> i heard the sound.
[17:20] <ChrisDruif> Ahh...the sound I remove almost instantly after installing :P
[17:21] <pumba_> ok i got the info you need, give me time to get that with a usb pen
[17:21] <ChrisDruif> pumba_: With the live cd you can go online aswell :)
[17:24] <pumba_> finally!
[17:24] <pumba_> http://pastebin.com/SUtV0CfA
[17:25] <pumba_> tell me that windows partition is still there?
[17:26] <hobgoblin> there's a windows partition
[17:26] <pumba_> its around 40 gb?
[17:26] <ChrisDruif> Indeed...sda2 is the windows...
[17:26] <pumba_> good!
[17:28] <pumba_> now i am supposed to input the command: sudo mount /dev/sdXY /mnt
[17:28] <pumba_> but which ... sd* ?
[17:28] <pumba_> when i installed ubuntu.. this afternoon
[17:28] <pumba_> it did all automatically
[17:28] <hobgoblin> in the commands that you need to run in the reinstall commands - you need sda5
[17:28] <hobgoblin> sda5 is your install
[17:28] <pumba_> i clicked the option to install it beside the current os
[17:28] <pumba_> so i put sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt ?
[17:29] <hobgoblin> yep
[17:29] <hobgoblin> then sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/ /dev/sda
[17:31] <pumba_> ok
[17:32] <pumba_> its doing something
[17:33] <pumba_> installation finished. no error reported.
[17:33] <pumba_> now i just reboot?
[17:33] <hobgoblin> cool - try a reboot then - it might not have win - don't panic
[17:33] <pumba_> normally or still from live cd?
[17:33] <hobgoblin> remove the dvd when prompted to
[17:34] <pumba_> yeah i just closed the tray and pressed enter
[17:34] <pumba_> oh thank god!!!
[17:34] <pumba_> the old good grub!!
[17:34] <holstein> notice how long you have to look at it
[17:35] <ChrisDruif> gtg
[17:35] <holstein> try and embrace it ;)
[17:35] <pumba_> :D :D
[17:35] <pumba_> i dont think its a bad idea to install burg again :(
[17:35] <pumba_> as there's no automatic install :(
[17:35] <hobgoblin> pumba_: was win om the boot list?
[17:36] <holstein> i dont get it
[17:36] <pumba_> yes it was
[17:36] <holstein> i mean, do what you want
[17:36] <holstein> BUT its like 2 seconds of my life
[17:36] <pumba_> I just wanted to change grub into something graphical
[17:36] <hobgoblin> pumba_: k - have fun then
[17:36] <pumba_> but i ended up screw*ing bootloader :(
[17:38] <pumba_> at least now i know how to go back and restore grub
[17:39] <pumba_> in case i mess around with it again
[17:39] <pumba_> thanks
[17:39] <holstein> yup
[17:39] <holstein> handy
[17:39] <pumba_> i think it got corrupted when i input that install with hd0 option...
[17:39] <pumba_> maybe my hdd is not hd0?
[17:39] <pumba_> i had to put sda probably.
[17:40] <holstein> fdisk -l is handy too
[17:40] <hobgoblin> pumba_: it is - hd0 is sda hd1 sdb hd2 sdc etc
[17:41] <pumba_> we gave: sudo burg-install "(hd0)"
[17:41] <pumba_> and then all messed up.
[17:43] <holstein> pumba_: During the installation, it should ask you to write the new boot loader to MBR. If you skip that step, you can later use the following command to update MBR of hd0:
[17:44] <holstein> assuming you're reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Burg
[17:44] <holstein> sudo apt-get install burg , and you should be promted where you want it
[17:44] <holstein> and not need the other command
[17:47] <pumba_> now it gives me an error about
[17:47] <pumba_> a deb command not recognized :/
[17:47] <holstein> you might need to remove burg
[17:47] <holstein> or re-install it
[17:49] <pumba_> maybe it scre*ed up before
[17:49] <pumba_> because we did not give the command sudo update-burg
[17:49] <pumba_> after sudo burg-install “(hd0)”
[17:49] <holstein> right
[17:50] <pumba_> auch! :(
[17:50] <pumba_> now i try again then
[17:50] <holstein> you shouldnt need sudo burg-install hd0
[17:50] <holstein> unless you skip the step in the install process
[17:50] <pumba_> im following the guide here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/get-animated-themed-icon-only-grub-menu-using-burg-now-simple-to-use/
[17:51] <holstein> follow what you want
[17:51] <holstein> you might be telling it to install twice
[17:51] <holstein> and to different places
[17:51] <holstein> potentially
[17:51] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Burg
[17:52] <holstein> ^^ is the guide i would look at
[17:52] <pumba_> ok i try that then
[17:53] <pumba_> i wonder why this burg is not installed by default with a normal installation?
[17:53] <holstein> i would think udo dpkg-reconfigure burg-pc
[17:53] <holstein> would give you that promt again
[17:53] <pumba_> yes
[17:53] <holstein> pumba_: if you have ubuntu installed
[17:54] <holstein> by its self
[17:54] <holstein> you dont see grub
[17:54] <holstein> so theres no reason to pretty it up
[17:54] <pumba_> i see it just because there's a windows installation
[17:54] <pumba_> in the other partition?p
[17:54] <holstein> you need to see it
[17:54] <holstein> to select windows
[17:54] <holstein> or whatever
[17:54] <holstein> i use different kernels at boot
[17:54] <holstein> so i have mine showing
[17:56] <pumba_> why everytime i input a command starting with "deb"
[17:56] <pumba_> it always tell me
[17:56] <pumba_> deb: command not found?
[17:56] <holstein> what command?
[17:56] <pumba_> i copied and pasted this in terminal:
[17:57] <pumba_> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bean123ch/burg/ubuntu maverick main
[17:57] <pumba_> deb: command not found !
[17:57] <holstein> what are you tying to do ?
[17:57] <holstein> pumba_: you already added the PPA right?
[17:58] <pumba_> as stated in the instructions page u linked:  I have created a PPA package for Ubuntu Jaunty (9.04), Karmic (9.10), Lucid (10.04) and Maverick (10.10) users. To use it for example, add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.lst (Maverick) distribution:...
[17:58] <pumba_> im trying to input such commands...
[17:58] <holstein> deb is not a command
[17:58] <holstein> pumba_: you already added that PPA right?
[17:58] <holstein> i think sudo dpkg-reconfigure burg-pc might do the job
[17:59] <pumba_> just that?
[17:59] <holstein> IF burg is still installed
[17:59] <holstein> sudo dpkg-reconfigure burg-pc
[17:59] <pumba_> lets see...
[17:59] <holstein> SHOULD give you the prompt
[17:59] <holstein> the prompt from the installation
[17:59] <holstein> about where to install it
[17:59] <pumba_> i have that blue screen
[18:00] <pumba_> the usual one
[18:00] <holstein> ??
[18:00] <holstein> OH
[18:00] <holstein> yeah
[18:00] <holstein> read it ;)
[18:00] <pumba_> http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2328/screenshotr.jpg
[18:00] <holstein> pumba_: thats the step
[18:00] <holstein> read that
[18:00] <holstein> answer appropriately
[18:00] <pumba_> it asks me to verify that its correct
[18:00] <pumba_> but there's nothing in that field
[18:00] <pumba_> so i suppose its correct!
[18:01] <pumba_> and i go on...
[18:01] <holstein> im not sure
[18:01] <pumba_> or do i have to write something? in that field?
[18:01] <holstein> not sure
[18:01] <holstein> this is how you will fix it though
[18:01] <holstein> and you dont need the other command
[18:02] <holstein> burg-install “(hd0)”
[18:02] <holstein> this is burg asking you for that info
[18:03] <pumba_> and what is the "quiet splash" thing in the following screen?
[18:04] <holstein> depends
[18:04] <holstein> you might want to see that
[18:04] <holstein> if the splash screen is burg
[18:04] <pumba_> i completed the steps in the blue screen
[18:04] <pumba_> now i try to reboot but i think nothing will change...
[18:04] <holstein> i dont know much about burg and the terminology
[18:05] <holstein> usually, quiet splash is the text that you see
[18:05] <holstein> OR used to see
[18:05] <holstein> system messages and what-not
[18:05] <pumba_> i noticed a different thing
[18:05] <pumba_> when it asked where to install
[18:05] <pumba_> there was only dev/sda
[18:05] <holstein> if i were you
[18:05] <pumba_> before there was also dev/sdab
[18:05] <holstein> i would probably leave well enough alone
[18:05] <holstein> and start reading about grub
[18:05] <holstein> and ppa's
[18:06] <holstein> do some research
[18:06] <holstein> unless this is a 'test' box
[18:06] <pumba_> yeah but its making me nervous the fact that a burg installation is so simple
[18:06] <pumba_> and i cannot even do it :(
[18:06] <holstein> it can be frustrating messing with a main machine
[18:06] <holstein> pumba_: nah
[18:06] <holstein> its not that simple
[18:07] <holstein> dont sweat it :)
[18:07] <pumba_> see, there's still grub
[18:07] <pumba_> nothing changed.
[18:07] <holstein> pumba_: good :)
[18:07] <holstein> you can still get in
[18:07] <pumba_> yeah...
[18:07] <holstein> pumba_: you might need to remove burg
[18:07] <holstein> and reinstall it
[18:07] <holstein> not sure how it works
[18:07] <holstein> when burg is installed
[18:07] <holstein> doesnt work
[18:07] <holstein> and grub is isntalled afterwards
[18:09] <pumba_> im trying to search in google
[18:09] <pumba_> how to remove burg completely
[18:09] <holstein> you can use synaptic
[18:10] <holstein> graphical way to do it
[18:10] <holstein> and get the job done :)
[18:10] <holstein> should be able to use the software center
[18:10] <pumba_> synaptic?
[18:10] <holstein> synaptic package manager
[18:10] <pumba_> but I had maybe to install burg after synaptic...
[18:11] <holstein> its in the menu
[18:11] <holstein> you already have synaptic
[18:11] <pumba_> let me see
[18:11] <holstein> system - administration
[18:11] <pumba_> im booting again cause i wanted to see if windows
[18:11] <pumba_> was still working
[18:12] <pumba_> you mean the package manager?
[18:13] <holstein> system -administration - synaptic
[18:13] <pumba_> oh no!! :( another problem
[18:13] <pumba_> i can't open the package manager anymore
[18:13] <holstein> you dont have to use synaptic
[18:13] <pumba_> because of that "deb" thing
[18:13] <pumba_> when i open it , gives a error message telling
[18:14] <holstein> thats why i suggested you read about PPA's
[18:14] <pumba_> type deb not recognized at line 59 in file /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:14] <holstein> right
[18:14] <pumba_> its impossible to read the list of sources.
[18:14] <holstein> yup
[18:14] <holstein> several ways
[18:14] <pumba_> correct the problem in the repository configuration
[18:14] <pumba_> but how can i correct it?
[18:14] <holstein> system - administration - software sources
[18:15] <holstein> you can get to them from synaptic and the software center
[18:15] <holstein> as well
[18:15] <holstein> OR
[18:15] <holstein> gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:15] <holstein> look at line 59
[18:15] <pumba_> ok hold on
[18:16] <pumba_> neither updates work anymore for that thing
[18:16] <holstein> not sure what 'that thing' is
[18:16] <pumba_> type deb not recognized at line 59 in file /etc/apt/sources.list
[18:16] <pumba_> i meant that
[18:16] <pumba_> the problem.
[18:16] <holstein> right
[18:17] <holstein> pumba_: you *can* fix this problem
[18:17] <holstein> i guarantee it :)
[18:17] <holstein> you can pastebin that file
[18:17] <holstein> sources.list
[18:17] <pumba_> ok im at line 59
[18:18] <pumba_> i notice in fact a deb written with "
[18:18] <pumba_> i just delete that line, ok?
[18:18] <holstein> you can pastebin the file
[18:18] <pumba_> yes
[18:18] <holstein> OR play the game 'one of these things is not like the other'
[18:18] <holstein> you dont have to delete it
[18:19] <holstein> you just put a # in front of the offending line
[18:19] <holstein> at the beginning of the line
[18:19] <holstein> use pastebin, and i'll make a suggestion
[18:19] <pumba_> pastebin.com/i1j7ViAv
[18:19] <pumba_> the problem seems clear
[18:19] <holstein> pumba_: cool
[18:20] <pumba_> i copied that line wrong with " and " at the end
[18:20] <holstein> go ahead and think it through
[18:20] <pumba_> can u see it?
[18:20] <holstein> and let me look and be sure
[18:20] <pumba_> http://pastebin.com/i1j7ViAv
[18:20] <pumba_> i just delete that line, cause the following one is the correct one
[18:21] <pumba_> did u see it?
[18:21] <holstein> pumba_: yup
[18:21] <holstein> i would just comment that line out for now
[18:21] <holstein> its the quotes
[18:21] <pumba_> i put # in front ?
[18:21] <holstein> OR just get rid of the quotes
[18:21] <pumba_> or delete completely?
[18:21] <holstein> but you've already got the same line at 60
[18:21] <holstein> it looks like that
[18:21] <holstein> BUT
[18:22] <pumba_> yes
[18:22] <holstein> just drop a # in there
[18:22] <holstein> and save
[18:22] <pumba_> ok
[18:22] <holstein> and you can make sure thats the deal
[18:22] <holstein> then, you can leave it, or comeback and do something about it
[18:22] <holstein> if you want
[18:22] <pumba_> it doesnt like it anyway
[18:22] <pumba_> i think its something wrong with the "
[18:22] <pumba_> it tells bad flagvector
[18:22] <pumba_> i delete it!
[18:23] <holstein> they should be there
[18:23] <holstein> OK
[18:23] <holstein> so what does that file look like now?
[18:23] <pumba_> i deleted and no more errors
[18:23] <holstein> OK
[18:23] <holstein> :)
[18:23] <pumba_> it looks like the one i copied
[18:23] <pumba_> without the 59 line
[18:24] <holstein> are you in synaptic now?
[18:25] <pumba_> wait
[18:25] <pumba_> phone!
[18:25] <pumba_> brb a sec
[18:25] <holstein> no worries
[18:29] <holstein> lunch... BBL
[18:34] <pumba_> noo
[18:34] <pumba_> he went to lunch :(
[18:38] <pumba_> when u are back please drop a line here!
[19:23] <pumba_> holstein
[19:23] <pumba_> how much are you eating?
[19:23] <pumba_> an elephant? ^_^
[19:33] <ikt> any wiki guru's around?
[19:40] <ChrisDruif> ikt: what do you want to know?
[19:43] <ikt> heya ChrisDruif :)
[19:43] <ikt> I have a slight issue
[19:43] <ikt> very small issue with the contents list on a wiki page
[19:43] <ikt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ikttest <- it has, 1. 2. 1. 1. 2. 3. 4.
[19:44] <ikt> there's an extra 1 in there :/
[19:44] <Red-Raven> hey. would this command wipe my pin drive? or at least kill whatever is on it, even  if a virus has write-protected it to keep itself safe?
[19:44] <ikt> which command Red-Raven ?
[19:45] <Red-Raven> oh this one sorry: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
[19:45] <ChrisDruif> ikt: Doesn't TableOfContent have () into it?
[19:46] <stlsaint> heya anyone know how to bring down a bridge? (br0)
[19:46] <ChrisDruif> stlsaint: What kind of bridge? ;)
[19:47] <ikt> seems like it Red-Raven, but I would be extremely careful you have the right disk :P
[19:48] <stlsaint> networking
[19:49] <pumba_> chris! i'm still fighting with burg
[19:49] <stlsaint> pumba_: why use burg?
[19:49] <ikt> hrm ChrisDruif, I just copied the line from another page and it stayed the same
[19:49] <ChrisDruif> stlsaint: Sorry, then no. I was thinking/hoping a physical bridge....like metal/stone :P
[19:49] <stlsaint> hehe
[19:49] <Red-Raven> ok i will. thx! i have tried the normal dd code that should have erased it, but that didn't work. will this randomizing one be any different?
[19:50] <ChrisDruif> Owkay...I'll have a looksy myself....is it locked atm?
[19:50] <ikt> just trying something, seems like you need a stepping stone header
[19:50] <pumba_> stlsaint! do you know anything better than burg to have a graphic boot interface?
[19:50] <ikt> = = then == == then [19:51] <stlsaint> pumba_: grub
[19:52] <ChrisDruif> Yeah, that would be it O:-)
[19:52] <ChrisDruif> It shows header level :)
[19:53] <pumba_> it still doesnt work :( I have even installed the burg manager and installed burg from there
[19:53] <pumba_> all okay! but when i boot, still grub! :(
[19:53] <pumba_> i dont know anymore what to do
[19:54] <ikt> ty :)
[20:00] <ChrisDruif> You've restored grub pumba_? :)
[20:11] <egossett> hi
[20:15] <ChrisDruif> Hai egossett :)
[20:15] <egossett> hi
[20:16] <egossett> just signed in to read along for a bit
[20:18] <pumba_> chris :(
[20:18] <pumba_> I have tried everything!
[20:18] <pumba_> even the most simple install
[20:18] <pumba_> by installing burg-manager 1.10
[20:18] <pumba_> and install burg automatically from there!
[20:18] <pumba_> it says all okay, but at boot i always have burg!
[20:20] <ChrisDruif> grub you mean...
[20:20] <pumba_> yes
[20:20] <pumba_> grub!
[20:20] <pumba_> or grub2...
[20:20] <pumba_> i dont even know!
[20:20] <pumba_> maybe the problem is that i'm installing burg
[20:20] <pumba_> over grub2 of ubuntu 10.10?
[20:20] <ChrisDruif> Yeah....same for me.....does the same....looks the same atleast :P
[20:21] <pumba_> chris, is grub2 themeable??
[20:21] <ChrisDruif> I've got burg installed on a ubuntu 10.10 install...
[20:21] <ChrisDruif> I've heard you can change the background and colors of grub :)
[20:21] <pumba_> I want icons
[20:21] <pumba_> i want a cute icon for ubuntu and a cute one for windows
[20:21] <pumba_> thats all
[20:22] <pumba_> since i cannot manage to install this burg i might do it for grub2
[20:25] <egossett>  I will check in lateer here just to ssee what is going on. I might learn some things.
[20:27] <kristian-aalborg> pumba_: look at burg
[20:28] <kristian-aalborg> I've not tried it, though
[20:28] <kristian-aalborg> ah sorry, missed your last messages
[20:28] <ChrisDruif> He's got troubles installing it kristian-aalborg :)
[20:29] <pumba_> maybe I have found a solution...
[20:29] <pumba_> forget about burg!
[20:30] <pumba_> it seems that even this grub 2 is themeable
[20:30] <pumba_> i'm downloading from the software center a collection of grub2 splash images...
[20:30] <pumba_> lets see............
[20:30] <kristian-aalborg> pumba_: you can set the images yourself
[20:31] <pumba_> i downloaded that package
[20:31] <pumba_> and installed...
[20:31] <pumba_> but where is it?
[20:31] <pumba_> in application there isnt anything new
[20:33] <pumba_> nothing, i rebooted and still that console :/
[20:33] <pumba_> kristian what do I have to do to put a splash image for grub? :(
[20:35] <head_victim> pumba_: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Splash%20Images%20and%20Theming I"ve never done it myself but it should work
[20:37] <pumba_> ohh...
[20:37] <pumba_> but its just a background? :(
[20:37] <pumba_> no i didn't mean that then.............
[20:42] <pumba_> maybe I will just install ubuntu 9!
[20:43] <pumba_> probably it works well!
[20:46] <head_victim> pumba_: sorry I must have misunderstood you
[20:50] <pumba_> no
[20:50] <pumba_> i am the one to misunderstand
[20:50] <pumba_> i thought that I could change also icons for the os choice
[20:50] <pumba_> but we can do that only by installing burg
[20:51] <pumba_> and in my configuration i cant.
[20:55] <head_victim> pumba_: ah ok
[21:58] <Red-Raven> hey.
[21:58] <head_victim> Good morning
[22:00] <Red-Raven> Morning.
[22:00] <Red-Raven> wait, whaere are you?
[22:00] <Red-Raven> where*
[22:00] <head_victim> Australia :)
[22:00] <Red-Raven> its 5 P.M here. im in Florida, U.S.A.
[22:00] <head_victim> Ah well hello from down under
[22:01] <overdrank> good day
[22:01] <overdrank> :)
[22:01] <Red-Raven> cool. is it cold there?
[22:01] <head_victim> It's 8am and already 24 degrees
[22:01] <Red-Raven> wow. that sucks.
[22:02] <Red-Raven> it gets that cold in FL but it never stays bellow 32 during the day.
[22:02] <head_victim> Oh that's celcius
[22:02] <Red-Raven> oh ok.
[22:03] <Red-Raven> that makes sense. wich we used metric. "standard" is just stupid.
[22:04] <Red-Raven> im doing what should never be done: knowingly putting a virus-infested pin drive into a windows computer. im trying to remove it with Microsoft security essentials.
[22:05] <ChrisDruif> head_victim: C?
[22:05] <ChrisDruif> OW...sorry..
[22:06] <ChrisDruif> Only saw 24 degrees....
[22:06] <ChrisDruif> Dumb C and F :P
[22:07] <ChrisDruif> Use K :D
[22:07] <Red-Raven> F stand  for FAIL
[22:07] <ChrisDruif> C for Crash
[22:07] <Red-Raven> k = potasium/
[22:07] <Red-Raven> ?*
[22:07] <ChrisDruif> Or Catastrophe :P
[22:07] <ChrisDruif> Nope...Kelvin :D
[22:08] <Red-Raven> ik.
[22:09] <head_victim> Heh
[22:09] <head_victim> If it was 24 K I'd be a bit worried
[22:09] <ChrisDruif> Indeed...
[22:09] <head_victim> And probably typing a LOT slower
[22:09] <ChrisDruif> Indeed...
[22:10] <ChrisDruif> Would be -249 C ;)
[22:10] <head_victim> I'd probably need a coat on at least
[22:11] <ChrisDruif> Yeah...prolly (A)
[23:36] <PCChris> I receive the error "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: " when trying to suspend my laptop.  Ubuntu 10.10 64 bit, Dell Studio 1747
[23:36] <PCChris> same output with pmi action suspend, pm-suspend, dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.Hal" /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.SystemPowerManagement.Suspend int32:0, and dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=org.freedesktop.UPower /org/freedesktop/UPower org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend
[23:37] <PCChris> and the regular suspend doesn't work, either.  They all result in kind of a flashing screen white screen and then it returns me to the desktop
[23:38] <PCChris> *flashing white screen
[23:38] <ChrisDruif> Sorry, I can't help you PCChris :)
[23:41] <PCChris> ..anyone have any ideas?
[23:59] <PCChris> I receive the error "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: " when trying to suspend my laptop.  Ubuntu 10.10 64 bit, Dell Studio 1747