[01:44] <drew2121> micahg: hey, hardy doesn't have the apport hooks for firefox correct?
[01:44] <micahg> drew2121: I think it might, idr
[01:45] <drew2121> micahg: it's not showing on bug 702907
[01:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 702907 in firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu) "screen freezes up/goes gray (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702907
[01:45] <drew2121> micahg: so i'll take it that that's a no
[01:46] <micahg> drew2121: user's using an unsupported firefox
[01:46] <micahg> latest is 3.6.13
[01:46] <drew2121> i thought so, but rmadison also showed 3.0 listed for hardy
[01:47] <drew2121> firefox | 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 |         hardy | all
[01:47] <micahg> drew2121: that's the release pocket, check -security
[01:47] <drew2121> ahh i see it
[01:47] <micahg> drew2121: rmadison, FTW!
[01:48] <drew2121> micahg: yeah =P
[01:50] <drew2121> micahg: btw, its been a while, how's it going?
[01:50] <micahg> drew2121: I'm good :)
[01:51] <drew2121> micahg: thats great, i just finished my first semester here at UIUC. Data structures, coming up =P...
[01:51] <micahg> drew2121: lots of conversation in #ubuntu-chicago if you're interested
[01:53] <JanC> hm, does launchpad follow bugs marked as duplicates in upstream bugtrackers?
[01:54] <micahg> idr if that's working or not
[01:54] <JanC> probably depends on what upstream bugtracker too
[02:15] <drew2121> micahg: is 3.6.10 unsupported for maverick now too?
[02:28] <micahg> drew2121: people are expected to upgrade to -updates
[02:29] <micahg> drew2121: or rather -security, -updates is optional and can be suggested if you think it fixes a bug
[02:34] <drew2121> micahg: thanks
[13:41] <trinikrono> hey is anyone active i would like to triage some needs-packaging bugs and would like to ask questions
[13:45] <charlie-tca> trinikrono: bugsquad does not triage the needs-packaging bugs. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Needs%20Packaging%20Bugs
[13:46] <trinikrono> thats what i read charlie-tca
[13:46] <trinikrono> it said too check them in packages or rmadison
[13:46] <trinikrono> so i thought we still did something before it was looked at
[13:48] <charlie-tca> nope, as a rule, we allow the developers to work those.
[13:49] <charlie-tca> even after checking with rmadison, you will not be marking the bug anything but "new" status
[13:53] <trinikrono> so even if they dont tag it needs-packaging leave them alone?
[13:53] <yofel> no, then at least add the tag - but ask in #ubuntu-motu, they are maintaining needs-packaging stuff
[13:54] <trinikrono> thank yofel
[13:54] <trinikrono> i guess i will have to find something else to triage
[13:54] <trinikrono> :D
[13:55]  * yofel looks at 52263 new bugs
[13:55] <yofel> I'm sure you'll find something ;)
[13:56] <yofel> if you can't decide join #ubuntu-bugs-announce until you see something that you want to do
[13:56] <trinikrono> oh can i ask about bug 324700
[13:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 324700 in gnome-media (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "gnome-volume-control missing ability to customize session sound effects theme (affects: 46) (dups: 1) (heat: 247)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324700
[13:56] <yofel> hggdh_: PING - eeebotu is MIA
[13:56] <trinikrono> komputes was asking that we click this affects me
[13:57] <yofel> that is already triaged
[14:00] <charlie-tca> If you are having the same issues, you can click on this affects me. That lets the developers know that another person is seeing the same issue.
[14:00] <charlie-tca> but, that is true of any bug
[14:07] <charlie-tca> trinikrono: komputes put that out in many channels. Apparently, it affected 4 more users.
[14:08] <trinikrono> yes it does
[14:18] <BUGabundo> yo o/
[14:21] <trinikrono> o/
[15:01] <trinikrono> is anyone accustomed triaging g-p-m
[15:02] <trinikrono> can you look at bug 371196
[15:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 371196 in bibletime (Ubuntu) "bibletime crashing after ASSERT: "mod" in bt_thmlhtml.cpp (329) (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371196
[15:02] <trinikrono> if ierm
[15:03] <trinikrono> * bug 371195
[15:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 371195 in gnome-power-manager (Ubuntu) "Blacklight stays lit (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371195
[15:03] <trinikrono> i believe the status can be set to low also
[15:07] <charlie-tca> trinikrono: looked... I think you will find that the reporter is not going to be satisfied no matter what you comment.
[15:08] <charlie-tca> He has already decided that using power manager to shut the monitor off is bad
[15:08] <charlie-tca> I think wishlist is valid status for that bug, since the workaround is so easy. Instead of using screensaver to fake the shutdown, use power manager to enforce the screen shutdown and save power.
[15:09] <charlie-tca> thanks for helping with bugs. Let's wait for an answer now and then we can mark it confirmed
[15:13] <trinikrono> well thats what i did on my pc but you are right we need to see what he says
[15:13] <trinikrono> okie i just need to find 4 more bugs to work on
[17:44] <ikt> heya, I changed this bug report to the mono package, but looking at it closer, it doesn't even seem like a bug, it looks like a support request: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moon/+bug/703609
[17:44] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703609 in moon (Ubuntu) "Cant playback a live stream video with VLC (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[17:44] <ikt> does anyone agree?
[17:48] <charlie-tca> ikt: movie player is totem. The package currently is "moon" . moon is incorrect5
[17:48] <kuba_> Hi!
[17:49] <charlie-tca> The package should be changed back to totem. The question to ask the reporter is whether or not it works after installing ubuntu-restricted-extras. If it does, it is invalid, if it still fails, it is valid
[17:49] <ikt> does totem even play silverlight content?
[17:49] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[17:50] <charlie-tca> but I do know "moon" is incorrect package. The user tried this with totem
[17:51] <ikt> indeed, my issue is, it's not really a bug, if I try and open a movie with xchat, I don't submit a bug report :?
[17:51] <ikt> I'm just opening with the wrong program
[17:51] <ikt> and that's more of a support request
[17:51] <charlie-tca> The bug is "tried to play a movie in totem, the default movie player. it failed"
[17:52] <ikt> yeah true
[17:53] <charlie-tca> If the default movie player failed to play a movie, why is that not a valid issue?
[17:54] <ikt> a movie?
[17:55] <charlie-tca> movie, webcast, live stream, if it is an action video, it is the same regardless of how much you want to play semantics
[17:56] <ikt> a video vs a live stream are very different things, it's like saying a bicycle and a motorbike are the same thing
[17:56] <charlie-tca> The reporter used what Ubuntu supplies to play what he wanted, it failed. That is a valid issue
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Whether or not the reporter knows what the default movie player is doesn't matter. Part of triage is getting the package correct and clarifying the issue.
[17:58] <charlie-tca> We remove vlc from the title, we correct the package to totem, we then ask questions as needed for further information
[18:06] <ikt> ok
[18:07] <ikt> i will subscribe, be interesting to see how totem can run a drm infested live stream which appears to be broken even with mono installed :)
[18:08] <charlie-tca> It may not be able to. Won't be the first bug to be marked invalid or wishlist though
[18:08] <charlie-tca> Can you watch any live stream without mono?
[18:09] <charlie-tca> To the best of my knowledge, I do not need mono for that specifically.
[18:12] <ikt> http://ikt.id.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/silvermonoflai.jpg <- it's the same for firefox, I know many silverlight streams are encrypted or have heavy drm
[18:14] <charlie-tca> you skipped my question. Not every live stream is silverlight, and not every live stream requires mono, does it?
[18:16] <ikt> of course not
[18:17] <ikt> however not every live stream will play without additional software
[18:18] <ikt> what you are suggesting is that every live stream regardless of drm/encryption/codec should work in totem, even if the live stream requires software that will only work on windows
[18:19] <charlie-tca> correct. That means a bug about it failing is wishlist or requires more discussion on brainstorm to define what is needed.
[18:19] <charlie-tca> We can not say with any certainty that the proper plugins will never be available, can we?
[18:20] <ikt> indeed
[18:21] <charlie-tca> We always hope to have it all someday
[18:22] <ikt> yeah true
[18:23] <ikt> http://mto.org/webcast/ <- appears to be the main site, and yeah it's all about windows and drm :(
[18:29] <charlie-tca> You could add that to the bug report, as a reference for the reporter to check out, then.
[18:31] <ikt> shall do :)
[18:32] <charlie-tca> and, thank you, for researching that far into it.
[18:33] <ikt> no problems :))
[18:35] <charlie-tca> It is really good to know you care about getting it right.
[18:38] <ikt> yeah, I am still learning but the wiki is probably the best one I've ever seen, so much is covered!
[18:39] <charlie-tca> heh, Many people have worked hard to try and make it that way
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Sometimes it gets a little overwhelming trying to keep up with all of it
[18:42] <ikt> yeah that feels like linux though, so much is moving so fast it's amazing