[00:53] <psusi> does anyone remember when the toolchain moved to gcc 4.5?  was it after alpha 1?
[01:00] <penguin42> psusi: From my dpkg.log I'd say I 1st got it 12th December
[01:04] <psusi> hrm... I be that bug is also what is causing unity to foul up when you right click on it and it tries to display the transparent menu
[01:04] <psusi> that's about when it started doing that
[06:30] <GreenRollup> DAMN GIRL. ELKY YOU IN THE DEVEL? well shoot. you have some sexy cards up your sleeve
[06:30] <GreenRollup> how you doing maco?
[06:31] <slangasek> SpamapS: restarting portmap doesn't seem to actually cause statd to be restarted (at least in maverick), because 'ON_BOOT=' doesn't match a job that doesn't have ON_BOOT as a variable at all... does this work in natty?
[06:32] <GreenRollup> you know i head a dream
[06:32] <GreenRollup> it was some sort of october get together at my school
[06:32] <GreenRollup> and then nude 3d models were on the sc reen
[06:32] <GreenRollup> and popcorn all over the place
[06:32] <GreenRollup> then a shooter starting shooting us
[06:33] <slangasek> GreenRollup: this channel is for Ubuntu development; please take your comments elsewhere
[06:33] <GreenRollup> i was shot in the head by a second shooter because i was distracted by a bright light
[06:33] <GreenRollup> ok
[06:33] <akshatj> !offtopic ! GreenRollup
[06:34] <akshatj> !offtopic | GreenRollup
[06:34] <GreenRollup> !bannedfromofftopic | akshatj
[06:43] <slangasek> SpamapS: got it sorted - requires fixes on both the portmap and statd jobs (env ON_BOOT=; then an order of operations bug in the statd start condition.)
[08:27] <aalex> I am a Debian maintainer. How can I file a bug to ask for a package's version to be more recent for the next Natty release? (the version at the freeze date contains bugs)
[08:30] <bryceh> aalex, there is a requestsync script
[08:32] <aalex> bryceh, in ubuntu-dev-tools ?
[08:32] <bryceh> aalex, or just file a bug report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - "Please sync foobar <version> from debian" against the appropriate package
[08:32] <aalex> (I'm on Lucid right now)
[08:33] <bryceh> aalex, yes, that's right
[08:33] <aalex> bryceh, Or there: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/natty/toonloop/natty
[08:39] <aalex> bryceh, $ requestsync -s toonloop natty    ?
[08:40] <aalex> bryceh, given that GPGKEY=25DAAC75
[08:44] <aalex> E: No credentials found for 'ubuntu-dev-tools', please see the manage-credentials manpage for help on how to create one for this consumer.
[08:44] <aalex> :-(
[08:44] <aalex> E: Could not connect to fiordland.ubuntu.com:25: No route to host (113)
[09:11] <nucc1> hi, i get this error while trying to build evolution http://pastie.org/1465981 . anyone know what I'm missing?
[09:23] <geser> nucc1: install "dh-autoreconf" and "gnome-pkg-tools"
[09:24] <nucc1> geser, thanks, i sort of guessed the gnome-pkg-tools one though :)
[09:25] <geser> aalex: does the computer you run requestsync on have a working internet connection?
[09:34] <aalex> geser, no
[09:35] <geser> aalex: requestsync can either mail the bug report to Launchpad (with smtp) or file it directly (with http; LP API)
[09:36] <aalex> geser, ok... how can I get it to work the easiest way?
[09:36] <aalex> I never got reportbug to work either
[09:38] <geser> aalex: can you run requestsync from the box you use right now for IRC?
[09:41] <dupondje> gdm bit broken atm in Natty ?
[09:55] <nucc1> "pbuilder-dist <release> build ../<package>_<version>.dsc" is there some way to make this command take advantage of multiple cpu cores?  it seems to be doing only one thread
[09:57] <geser> nucc1: does the package support parallel building?
[09:58] <nucc1> geser, i'm not sure, and i don't know how to find that out
[09:59] <nucc1> when building from tarballs, i normally run make -j2 and that does the trick
[09:59] <nucc1> the package is 'evolution'
[09:59] <geser> nucc1: check the packaging if it does something similar
[10:00] <nucc1> packaging?
[10:00] <geser> the files in the debian/ directory
[10:00] <geser> more specific debian/rules
[10:03] <nucc1> geser, i could add -j2 to the #! /usr/bin/make -f on the first line?
[10:03] <aalex> geser, no, I get that error E: Could not connect to fiordland.ubuntu.com:25: No route to host (113)
[10:04] <aalex> geser, maybe I can change the server?
[10:04] <geser> nucc1: don't know if that would work
[10:05] <nucc1> if it supports parallel building, what would i have found in the file?
[10:06] <geser> nucc1: packages supporting it, check the value of "parallel" from the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS env variable and use this for -jX
[10:07] <geser> aalex: you can use DEBSMTP to specify a different smtp server
[10:08] <aalex> geser, ok. thanks
[10:08] <geser> aalex: what about the patch the Ubuntu package of "toonloop" has? and I've tried to build 2.0.4 in Ubuntu natty and it fails to build
[10:11] <aalex> geser, does it need libboost-system, maybe? I fixed it upstream... need to test it on natty first I guess.
[10:12] <aalex> geser, I can use pbuilder for that on a maverick box?
[10:12] <geser> aalex: yes, you can setup a natty pbuilder on maverick
[10:13] <aalex> geser, I'll make sure to test it on natty first, next I'll upload it to debian, and then ask for the sync
[10:13] <aalex> (I'm also upstream)
[10:14] <geser> aalex: the error is "configure: error: libstk is not installed: alsa"
[10:14] <aalex> oh
[10:15] <geser> aalex: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554658/ (from config.log)
[10:16] <geser> the problem is the "-lstk" before the conftest.cpp; this order doesn't with "ld --as-needed" anymore. You should be able to reproduce this with "binutils-gold" in Debian
[10:16] <aalex> geser, But libstk0-dev is on natty too. http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/libstk0-dev
[10:18] <geser> aalex: not the build-dependency is the issue, but configure.ac; you put "-lstk" into LDFLAGS instead of LIBS
[10:19] <aalex> geser, is there a patch?
[10:19] <geser> give me a minute
[10:25] <aalex> geser, great :)
[10:25] <geser> aalex: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554663/ is needed to get past configure and to start building
[10:26] <nucc1> geser, is there a shorter means to testing the changes i've made to a package? having to build a .deb and install is quite a long process
[10:26] <geser> aalex: but it fails later with a linking error about boost_system
[10:26] <aalex> geser, yeah... that's fixed in both upstream and the ubuntu package
[10:27] <aalex> here is my fix: http://github.com/aalex/toonloop/commit/750bd649c12e4e23c768b8eec602c950c5af3858
[10:28] <geser> nucc1: not that I know of if you change source code (ccache might speed up the compilation)
[10:33] <aalex> geser, so, I should put "-lstk" in LIBS, not LDFLAGS?
[10:33] <geser> yes
[10:35] <geser> with "ld --as-needed" (which natty uses by default) the linking order matters: a library gets only linked in when an object file *before* it on the command line uses one of its symbols
[10:35] <aalex> oh
[10:36] <geser> if you put "-lstk" into LDFLAGS it gets put before the object file (here: conftest.cpp) while LIBS are put after it by configure
[10:36] <aalex> geser, http://paste.debian.net/104729/ ?
[10:37] <geser> yes
[10:38] <aalex>  geser: thanks a lot! I'll make a new upstream release and try it on natty later on.
[10:40] <aalex> this could have been done with quilt, but anyways... I'm also upstream, so let's use it.
[10:42] <geser> bryceh: if I try the new X stack from xorg-edgers, can I keep updating from it once it landed in natty or will I have to manually "upgrade" to the official packages?
[10:51] <nucc1> geser, how can i build the associated dbg packages?
[10:53] <geser> evolution-dbg? this one you should get automatically as it's part of the package building process
[10:54] <nucc1> yea, i can't find it in the pbuilder directory where the .deb packages are
[10:54] <nucc1> ah, seen it.
[10:54] <aalex> geser, Fixed and released: http://github.com/aalex/toonloop/commit/cce7f7d4f346c47ddbf9c2e07c6aeac92bea6341
[10:55] <aalex> later,
[10:55] <geser> nice :)
[12:56] <grnd44> greetings. I noticed the async initramfs patchset has been shipping in U for several releases; could you enlighten me on why it's not upstream?
[15:53] <kaydsoft> Hi ..... would anyone who happens to be workin on natty answer this question .... what is the default python interpretor on natty .... zit 2.x ow 3.x?
[15:55] <kaydsoft> or am I askin the question in the wrong place?
[15:56] <\sh> kaydsoft: 2.x
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[15:57] <kaydsoft> when will u start support for
[15:57] <kaydsoft> 3.x
[15:58] <\sh> most likely when most of all python packages do support 3.x ? more infos can doko give you when he's awake or back from dallas i think
[15:59] <kaydsoft> k thsnx
[15:59] <\sh> kaydsoft: but python 3 is also in the archives...and some of the packages are building already python3 bin pkgs
[15:59] <\sh> afaik...I'm not focussing on py3 right now
[15:59] <kaydsoft> k
[16:00] <kaydsoft> so I should tka my focus fwom py3
[16:00] <kaydsoft> n settle for py2
[16:00] <kaydsoft> ?
[16:03] <\sh> kaydsoft: depends on you? :)
[16:19] <kaydsoft> k
[17:12] <pavolzetor> hi, why my program reports tihs?
[17:12] <pavolzetor>  ./xml_parser rss.xml Cannot connect to destination (127.0.0.1)
[17:12] <pavolzetor> It is written in vala
[17:12] <pavolzetor> I have ubuntu natty
[17:13] <pavolzetor> this works http://localhost:59693/_utils/index.html
[20:57] <slangasek> SpamapS: so now that statd is sorted, I'm trying to work out bug #643289 as well for idmapd... maybe you see an easy way out of this that I've overlooked :)
[22:38] <cxo> There is a "liblastfm0" package provided on ubuntu. Its the (now) official last.fm backed library that uses Nokia QT. I wrote a lastfm library in pure C and I want to package it for Ubuntu. What do i call it?
[22:39] <cxo> Oh do i need to be in #ubuntu-app-devel?
[22:40] <Tm_T> cxo: you mean Qt?
[22:41] <Tm_T> cxo: and you can call it anything you like, as long as it's not "liblastfm"
[22:42] <cxo> How annoying
[22:43] <cxo> I wonder if i asked nicely if they would rename theirs to libqt-lastfm
[22:43] <cxo> So I have no idea what to call it now. Any suggestions?
[22:44] <Tm_T> liblastfm-c (;
[22:44] <cxo> liblastfmlib
[22:44] <Tm_T> or to be witty, "libfirstfm"
[22:44] <cxo> I remember there used to be a taglib and a libtag., once upon a time
[22:45] <Tm_T> taglib package is called libtaglib (lib prefix for library package)
[22:45] <Tm_T> or something
[22:46] <cxo> The reason i wrote my own implementation is because having to pull in qt for just one silly lib is such drag for people who use gnome
[22:47] <cxo> http://liblastfm.sourceforge.net/
[22:47] <cxo> I have the name on launchpad actually
[22:49] <cxo> Tm_T, in terms of packaging. Can i include a "breaks:" param in the control file to say its not compatible with the other library?
[22:50] <Tm_T> err, I see no point having it to break the other library
[22:52] <Tm_T> actually, you have to make sure it doesn't break it
[22:57] <cxo> Is there an easy apt-trick way to find out which apps in the repo actually use that library?
[23:01] <Tm_T> apt-cache rdepends liblastfm0
[23:02] <cxo> So its basically used for one QT/KDE app - Amarok
[23:03] <cxo> No surprising. Unless you're writing a QT app, no point on using that library.
[23:03] <cxo> s/No/Not/
[23:04] <Tm_T> still you must avoid breaking it, installing your library should never break other apps unless it's absolutely necessary
[23:06] <cxo> Yeah. I'm going to ask them to change their library name to reflect the toolkit bias
[23:08] <cxo> Thanks for the help
[23:09] <Tm_T> np
[23:11] <cxo> I heard that banshee is going to be replacing rhythmbox in 11.04. Is that true?
[23:18] <micahg> cxo: I think it's already done
[23:19] <cxo> Does this now make mono an "essential" package?
[23:20] <micahg> cxo: no, we use seeds for defaults not essential
[23:26] <cxo> Sorry, what does that mean?
[23:29] <micahg> cxo: there's a file used to generate the dependencies for ubuntu-desktop
[23:40] <cxo> So I'm guessing the majority of ubuntu users are now using banshee, thats why the switch?
[23:48] <micahg> cxo: not necessarily, but it was decided at UDS to switch to it as the default music player
[23:49] <cxo> hmm
[23:49] <cxo> What do you use?
[23:49] <micahg> cxo: I use Xubuntu, but I also use banshee
[23:50] <cxo> Oh interesting. Don't like Amarok?
[23:50] <micahg> cxo: Dropped it a while back when I needed ipod support
[23:53] <cxo> It would be nice to have something like libipod (or whatever its called) hooked into nautilus, so every media player doesnt have to duplicate the code
[23:54] <micahg> cxo: there's libgpod
[23:55] <cxo> If you're not too busy, I'd like to see what banshee looks like on Xubuntu. Can you post a screenshot?