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iulianbdrung: That makes sense.  Cheers.00:40
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gesermicahg: do you know if some of the till recently "supported" firefox extensions will come back or should I install them in my profile? (like firebug, adblock-plus and notify)09:42
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micahggeser: I don't think they're coming back, the only extensions we're going to have going forward are the arch specific ones15:12
micahggeser: unless Mozilla commits to stable branches ;)15:12
geserok15:15
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hyperairari-tczew: ping17:33
ari-tczewhyperair: pong17:33
hyperairari-tczew: i noticed you synced geany-plugins from squeeze17:33
ari-tczewhyperair: dunno, perhaps. let me find it17:34
hyperairari-tczew: launchpad says you synced it from unstable 13 weeks ago.17:34
hyperair0.19-117:34
ari-tczewhyperair: yes, I see: geany-plugins0.19-10.19-0ubuntu117:35
hyperairari-tczew: geany-plugins in unstable had all the new plugins (introduced between 0.18 and 0.19) disabled, whereas they were enabled in 0.19-0ubuntu1.17:35
hyperairari-tczew: meaning that when you synced it, you pretty much disabled all the new plugin packages17:35
ari-tczewhyperair: I don't remember the case. Unfortunately. What's next?17:36
hyperairari-tczew: please be more careful in auditing the ubuntu-specific changes in the future.17:36
hyperairari-tczew: 0.20 is out, and i'm uploading -0ubuntu1 to natty now.17:36
hakermaniaI love this channel.17:36
hyperairari-tczew: please poke me before touching that package in the future.17:36
hyperairari-tczew: and please pay a little more attention to the debian-ubuntu delta, and make sure it can actually be dropped before syncing the package.17:37
ari-tczewhyperair: I'm dealing with a lot of packages and I guess that in ~99% cases I'm right. Everyone could do mistake.17:37
hyperairari-tczew: i understand that it's a rare mistake. still, please be more careful in the future =)17:38
hyperairari-tczew: also, it's common practice to ping the last uploader of the package before touching it17:38
hyperairin geany-plugins' case, i'm the last uploader.17:38
hyperairnobody likes the carpet being pulled from under their feet.17:39
ari-tczewhyperair: I'm careful as good as possible. You can track my done work. I can't remember any complaint since MOTUship.17:39
ari-tczew(technicall complaint)17:40
ari-tczewhakermania: why do you love this channel?17:40
hakermaniaari-tczew: There's always an open discussion about interesting things I haven't heard before :D17:41
ari-tczewaha17:41
hyperairari-tczew: i understand that you're being as careful as you can. i'm just advising you on how you may prevent a similar slip to this one in the future.17:41
hyperairari-tczew: please don't get defensive.17:41
ari-tczewhyperair: I'm easy. I just understand that there isn't a human which is 100% perfect in the world.17:42
ari-tczewand I understand your bitterness.17:43
hyperairari-tczew: i'm not bitter about this.17:43
hyperairi was just mildly surprised, and glad that i caught the mistake before Feature Freeze.17:43
hyperairari-tczew: i'm not looking for an apology or anything of that sort. i just giving you some friendly advice as a fellow ubuntu developer, that's all.17:45
hyperairyou mentioned that there isn't a human who's 100% perfect in the world. so there's always room for improvement, isn't there? =)17:45
ari-tczewhyperair: OK, thanks for noticing and I didn't want to break anything.17:46
hyperair=)17:46
ari-tczewhyperair: Yes, always room are open for improvements.17:47
ari-tczewroom always *17:47
hyperair=)17:47
ari-tczewScottK: clementine is ready. in lucid NEW. bug 70329218:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 703292 in lucid-backports "Backport clementine 0.6-0ubuntu5 to lucid from natty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70329218:18
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hakermaniaWho gave the idea for "purchased software" section in USC ?20:40
hakermaniaA really bad idea.20:40
Bachstel1ehakermania: here is not the place to rant about USC20:43
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hakermaniaBachstelze: Oh, fine..20:43
hakermaniaMay I ask? When I install my DEB, in the installed software of USC it says "Change Desktop Wallpapers automatically" as title and "Wallch" as description. How do I do the opposite? My control file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554859/ thx21:02
bdrunghakermania: you can't.22:07
bdrungtumbleweed: around?22:08
hakermaniabdrung: Is this automatically fixed when your package is advocated?22:08
bdrunghakermania: "Change Desktop Wallpapers automatically!" is not the best short description.22:08
hakermaniabdrung: This is has to do with my own opinion I think.22:08
bdrunghakermania: i don't think that an exclamation mark belong there.22:09
hakermaniabdrung: I've seen a lot of apps with (!)22:09
paultagHey MOTU. I need to file a package for removal from the archives. No rdepends or r-recomends. It's a bad package, and I got it removed from Debian already22:15
paultagHow can I file for it's removal? I'm guessing -dev-tools, but I'm not sure on procedure22:15
bdrungpaultag: -dev-tools?22:16
bdrungwe have no tool for requesting removal.22:17
bdrungfile it manually and either subscribe ubuntu-archive or ubuntu-sponsors22:17
bdrung(depending of your upload rights)22:17
paultagbdrung: as a bug? Is there a template I can follow?22:17
paultagbdrung: no upload rights here22:17
bdrungpaultag: then ubuntu-sponsors. AFAIK there is no template.22:18
paultagbdrung: great. thanks so much22:18
bdrunghakermania: i failed to find the recommendations for writing the description.22:19
bdrunghakermania: i would prefer a short description without exclamation mark (e.g. "automatic desktop wallpaper changer")22:20
bdrunghakermania: can you show me a screenshot of USC with your bug?22:22
bdrunghakermania: i tested it on maverick and Wallch is shown in the title22:22
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hakermaniabdrung: wait, currently packaging22:22
hakermaniabdrung: http://i55.tinypic.com/2zy96h2.png22:26
paultagbdrung: filed as bug #703718. Thanks!22:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 703718 in Ubuntu "Requesting removal of source package `fluxconf' from Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70371822:26
bdrunghakermania: it look consistent (short description on top, package name below)22:28
hakermaniabdrung: Is it right?22:29
bdrunghakermania: hm, it looks inconsistent on my system. packages with a .desktop file use the desktop file name as title, but all other use the short description as title.22:31
RcartHello. It seems like menumaker application is not available in debian.  I've searched with $rmadison -u debian menumaker,  with no result. This applicacion is a X Windows Managers menu generator and is not (apparentley) in Debian/Ubuntu22:32
RcartSo, if it's possible, i'd like to package it (i'm learning) if i can22:33
bdrunghakermania: i recommend to test natty and if it has the same behaviour, file a bug!22:36
hakermaniabdrung: To test natty? What?22:37
bdrungRcart: it's possible. just do it.22:37
bdrunghakermania: test USC in natty.22:37
hakermaniabdrung: But natty will be available at 4/1122:38
hakermania?22:38
bdrungpaultag: you should state that there are no rdepends and no b-d on it.22:38
bdrunghakermania: nope. Ubuntu 11.04 will be available at 4/11. Until then it's called natty. ;)22:38
hakermaniabdrung: Where can I find it?22:39
Rcartbdrung: thanks, i'm already working on it.22:39
paultagbdrung: sure.22:39
bdrunghakermania: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing22:39
hakermaniabdrung: thx22:40
bdrunghakermania: here are the latest cd spins: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/22:40
bdrunghakermania: i recommend to install it in a virtual machine, run it from a live usb stick or install it on a separate harddrive22:41
paultagbdrung: all set. thanks!22:41
hakermaniabdrung: This is what I'd do22:41
bdrungRcart: great. i recommend to get it into debian and then sync it to ubuntu.22:42
bdrungpaultag: ACK'd22:45
paultagbdrung: cheers, thanks for your time :)22:45
Rcartbdrung: do i need to contact the application author(s)?22:46
bdrungRcart: no, but establishing an upstream relationship is a benefit if you maintain the package22:46
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paultagHey! It's dholbach's birthday today!22:55
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sagaciyou can't sing happy birthday23:48

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