[00:40] <iulian> bdrung: That makes sense.  Cheers.
[09:42] <geser> micahg: do you know if some of the till recently "supported" firefox extensions will come back or should I install them in my profile? (like firebug, adblock-plus and notify)
[15:12] <micahg> geser: I don't think they're coming back, the only extensions we're going to have going forward are the arch specific ones
[15:12] <micahg> geser: unless Mozilla commits to stable branches ;)
[15:15] <geser> ok
[17:33] <hyperair> ari-tczew: ping
[17:33] <ari-tczew> hyperair: pong
[17:33] <hyperair> ari-tczew: i noticed you synced geany-plugins from squeeze
[17:34] <ari-tczew> hyperair: dunno, perhaps. let me find it
[17:34] <hyperair> ari-tczew: launchpad says you synced it from unstable 13 weeks ago.
[17:34] <hyperair> 0.19-1
[17:35] <ari-tczew> hyperair: yes, I see: geany-plugins	0.19-1	0.19-0ubuntu1
[17:35] <hyperair> ari-tczew: geany-plugins in unstable had all the new plugins (introduced between 0.18 and 0.19) disabled, whereas they were enabled in 0.19-0ubuntu1.
[17:35] <hyperair> ari-tczew: meaning that when you synced it, you pretty much disabled all the new plugin packages
[17:36] <ari-tczew> hyperair: I don't remember the case. Unfortunately. What's next?
[17:36] <hyperair> ari-tczew: please be more careful in auditing the ubuntu-specific changes in the future.
[17:36] <hyperair> ari-tczew: 0.20 is out, and i'm uploading -0ubuntu1 to natty now.
[17:36] <hakermania> I love this channel.
[17:36] <hyperair> ari-tczew: please poke me before touching that package in the future.
[17:37] <hyperair> ari-tczew: and please pay a little more attention to the debian-ubuntu delta, and make sure it can actually be dropped before syncing the package.
[17:37] <ari-tczew> hyperair: I'm dealing with a lot of packages and I guess that in ~99% cases I'm right. Everyone could do mistake.
[17:38] <hyperair> ari-tczew: i understand that it's a rare mistake. still, please be more careful in the future =)
[17:38] <hyperair> ari-tczew: also, it's common practice to ping the last uploader of the package before touching it
[17:38] <hyperair> in geany-plugins' case, i'm the last uploader.
[17:39] <hyperair> nobody likes the carpet being pulled from under their feet.
[17:39] <ari-tczew> hyperair: I'm careful as good as possible. You can track my done work. I can't remember any complaint since MOTUship.
[17:40] <ari-tczew> (technicall complaint)
[17:40] <ari-tczew> hakermania: why do you love this channel?
[17:41] <hakermania> ari-tczew: There's always an open discussion about interesting things I haven't heard before :D
[17:41] <ari-tczew> aha
[17:41] <hyperair> ari-tczew: i understand that you're being as careful as you can. i'm just advising you on how you may prevent a similar slip to this one in the future.
[17:41] <hyperair> ari-tczew: please don't get defensive.
[17:42] <ari-tczew> hyperair: I'm easy. I just understand that there isn't a human which is 100% perfect in the world.
[17:43] <ari-tczew> and I understand your bitterness.
[17:43] <hyperair> ari-tczew: i'm not bitter about this.
[17:43] <hyperair> i was just mildly surprised, and glad that i caught the mistake before Feature Freeze.
[17:45] <hyperair> ari-tczew: i'm not looking for an apology or anything of that sort. i just giving you some friendly advice as a fellow ubuntu developer, that's all.
[17:45] <hyperair> you mentioned that there isn't a human who's 100% perfect in the world. so there's always room for improvement, isn't there? =)
[17:46] <ari-tczew> hyperair: OK, thanks for noticing and I didn't want to break anything.
[17:46] <hyperair> =)
[17:47] <ari-tczew> hyperair: Yes, always room are open for improvements.
[17:47] <ari-tczew> room always *
[17:47] <hyperair> =)
[18:18] <ari-tczew> ScottK: clementine is ready. in lucid NEW. bug 703292
[20:40] <hakermania> Who gave the idea for "purchased software" section in USC ?
[20:40] <hakermania> A really bad idea.
[20:43] <Bachstel1e> hakermania: here is not the place to rant about USC
[20:43] <hakermania> Bachstelze: Oh, fine..
[21:02] <hakermania> May I ask? When I install my DEB, in the installed software of USC it says "Change Desktop Wallpapers automatically" as title and "Wallch" as description. How do I do the opposite? My control file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554859/ thx
[22:07] <bdrung> hakermania: you can't.
[22:08] <bdrung> tumbleweed: around?
[22:08] <hakermania> bdrung: Is this automatically fixed when your package is advocated?
[22:08] <bdrung> hakermania: "Change Desktop Wallpapers automatically!" is not the best short description.
[22:08] <hakermania> bdrung: This is has to do with my own opinion I think.
[22:09] <bdrung> hakermania: i don't think that an exclamation mark belong there.
[22:09] <hakermania> bdrung: I've seen a lot of apps with (!)
[22:15] <paultag> Hey MOTU. I need to file a package for removal from the archives. No rdepends or r-recomends. It's a bad package, and I got it removed from Debian already
[22:15] <paultag> How can I file for it's removal? I'm guessing -dev-tools, but I'm not sure on procedure
[22:16] <bdrung> paultag: -dev-tools?
[22:17] <bdrung> we have no tool for requesting removal.
[22:17] <bdrung> file it manually and either subscribe ubuntu-archive or ubuntu-sponsors
[22:17] <bdrung> (depending of your upload rights)
[22:17] <paultag> bdrung: as a bug? Is there a template I can follow?
[22:17] <paultag> bdrung: no upload rights here
[22:18] <bdrung> paultag: then ubuntu-sponsors. AFAIK there is no template.
[22:18] <paultag> bdrung: great. thanks so much
[22:19] <bdrung> hakermania: i failed to find the recommendations for writing the description.
[22:20] <bdrung> hakermania: i would prefer a short description without exclamation mark (e.g. "automatic desktop wallpaper changer")
[22:22] <bdrung> hakermania: can you show me a screenshot of USC with your bug?
[22:22] <bdrung> hakermania: i tested it on maverick and Wallch is shown in the title
[22:22] <hakermania> bdrung: wait, currently packaging
[22:26] <hakermania> bdrung: http://i55.tinypic.com/2zy96h2.png
[22:26] <paultag> bdrung: filed as bug #703718. Thanks!
[22:28] <bdrung> hakermania: it look consistent (short description on top, package name below)
[22:29] <hakermania> bdrung: Is it right?
[22:31] <bdrung> hakermania: hm, it looks inconsistent on my system. packages with a .desktop file use the desktop file name as title, but all other use the short description as title.
[22:32] <Rcart> Hello. It seems like menumaker application is not available in debian.  I've searched with $rmadison -u debian menumaker,  with no result. This applicacion is a X Windows Managers menu generator and is not (apparentley) in Debian/Ubuntu
[22:33] <Rcart> So, if it's possible, i'd like to package it (i'm learning) if i can
[22:36] <bdrung> hakermania: i recommend to test natty and if it has the same behaviour, file a bug!
[22:37] <hakermania> bdrung: To test natty? What?
[22:37] <bdrung> Rcart: it's possible. just do it.
[22:37] <bdrung> hakermania: test USC in natty.
[22:38] <hakermania> bdrung: But natty will be available at 4/11
[22:38] <hakermania> ?
[22:38] <bdrung> paultag: you should state that there are no rdepends and no b-d on it.
[22:38] <bdrung> hakermania: nope. Ubuntu 11.04 will be available at 4/11. Until then it's called natty. ;)
[22:39] <hakermania> bdrung: Where can I find it?
[22:39] <Rcart> bdrung: thanks, i'm already working on it.
[22:39] <paultag> bdrung: sure.
[22:39] <bdrung> hakermania: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[22:40] <hakermania> bdrung: thx
[22:40] <bdrung> hakermania: here are the latest cd spins: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:41] <bdrung> hakermania: i recommend to install it in a virtual machine, run it from a live usb stick or install it on a separate harddrive
[22:41] <paultag> bdrung: all set. thanks!
[22:41] <hakermania> bdrung: This is what I'd do
[22:42] <bdrung> Rcart: great. i recommend to get it into debian and then sync it to ubuntu.
[22:45] <bdrung> paultag: ACK'd
[22:45] <paultag> bdrung: cheers, thanks for your time :)
[22:46] <Rcart> bdrung: do i need to contact the application author(s)?
[22:46] <bdrung> Rcart: no, but establishing an upstream relationship is a benefit if you maintain the package
[22:55] <paultag> Hey! It's dholbach's birthday today!
[23:48] <sagaci> you can't sing happy birthday