[00:04] <rww> Thus concludes the most busy (UTC) day in #ubuntu-offtopic this year :|
[01:06] <rww> ubottu: tell jasono about away
[01:31] <rww> sorted ^
[01:31] <rww> or not.
[01:57] <rww> silvercrab: Hello! How can we help you?
[01:58] <silvercrab> I am lost about things
[01:58]  * rww ponders /whois silvercrab 
[01:59] <silvercrab> i come from places with people
[01:59] <rww> silvercrab: You're currently evading a ban set on you in #ubuntu-ops. Please part the channel.
[01:59] <silvercrab> you have no evidence only facts you are making out to be suspicious.
[02:00] <silvercrab> i encourage you to make your own decision
[02:00] <rww> silvercrab: I strongly recommend you part the channel now and follow the appeals process that you've been told about.
[02:00] <silvercrab> i strongly recommend you drop your act and prove you know who  i am
[02:00] <silvercrab> did you ban my ip address
[02:01] <silvercrab> i am still here
[02:01] <silvercrab> who is it do you think is silvercrab
[02:01] <rww> !ops | silvercrab is brown_boar banevading
[02:01] <silvercrab> the lazy whore OP who cried wolf
[02:01] <silvercrab> why
[02:02] <knome> er
[02:02] <elky> charming.
[02:02] <knome> very
[02:04] <rww> I have been called many things. 'Whore' may be a new one.
[02:04] <knome> wow.
[02:05] <rww> Simultaneously, KungFu4/Grexo was giving me the usual death threats in PM, btw. So fed up of that guy :(
[02:05] <knome> ah
[02:06] <knome> that must be hard. i mean, it's only trolls, but still, death threats...
[02:07] <elky> rww is he in channels somewhere?
[02:07] <rww> elky: I just kicked him out of #ubuntu-offtopic, hence the PMs. He's currently voiced in ##defocus.
[02:16] <rww> silvercrab is now nicked to BlueGrass, same IP.
[02:28] <rww> now GreenRollup
[03:18] <elky> reading -ot is hurting my brain todya
[03:18] <elky> today*
[03:20] <tonyyarusso> It's been getting worse than usual again the last few weeks :(
[03:22] <rww> I fail to understand how parents haven't rallied together and made school a full-year activity yet.
[03:22] <Pici> And 24 hours a day?
[03:23] <rww> Children are annoying, and they can't vote. This seems like a guaranteed win.
[03:23] <IdleOne> kids should only get time off from school to go work every other weekend in a factory making lead toys
[03:23] <rww> nah, you have to provide an opportunity for parents to attempt to parent
[03:26] <Flannel> rww: If summer vacation didn't happen, parents would forget how good they have it nine months out of the year.
[03:27] <rww> It also would make teaching even less desirable as a job, I guess.
[03:27] <Pici> I would think it would make it more desirable, as now you're getting paid for 12 months.
[03:28] <IdleOne> teachers get paid for twelve months, just not paid well.
[03:28] <Flannel> Pici: They likely wouldn't get 33% more pay, just 75% the amount spread over twelve months (this is currently what happens)
[03:28] <rww> Pici: In our district at least, employees that don't work over holidays have the option of getting a check for $totalyearpay/12 once a month.
[03:28] <rww> ah, seems this is a general thing
[03:29] <Flannel> They can choose to get 12 (well, 24, not important) paychecks, or 9 paychecks with 33% more
[03:30] <IdleOne> still boils down to the pay rate sucking
[03:30] <IdleOne> the schedule is irrelevant
[03:43] <rww> True. My point was that not having work for a few months at a time is an upside to the job, especially in the USA where vacation time doesn't tend to be volumous.
[03:44] <rww> although I guess you could see it as two months of unemployment a year.
[03:44] <Flannel> rww: yes, teacher's unions (and thus, every union) will oppose it it.
[03:45] <Flannel> rww: Nah, they have opportunities to work over summer, and get their pay bumped up the other months.  And technically, two months to be a contractor over summer or whatever else, should they choose.
[03:45] <rww> true. I know one that works in finance or accounting or something over summer. apparently does well from it.
[06:30] <elky> rww, guess what.
[06:31] <elky> Someone want to see to -devel please?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> grabbed, sorry for the delay
[06:41] <elky> haven't figured yet if he's maco's ex or one of the friends that gets used as a puppet.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> some people really need to find better things to do with their time
[06:44] <elky> yeah
[06:56] <rww> what
[06:56] <rww> i guess... a pony!
[07:24] <IdleOne> how did he get unbanned?
[07:24] <IdleOne> who removed it?
[07:25] <elky> IdleOne, who where?
[07:25] <IdleOne> see your pm elky
[07:26] <elky> came in un-identified i assume
[07:27] <bazhang> oh nice catch
[07:27] <IdleOne> I saw him join idented
[07:28] <bazhang> with the cloak yes
[07:28] <IdleOne> yeah, so how did he get in?
[07:28] <rww> joined unidentified then fakejoinparted when he identified.
[07:28] <IdleOne> ahh
[07:28] <rww> freenode cloak application "Changing host" thing
[07:28] <IdleOne> didn't see that
[07:28] <bazhang> yikes
[07:28] <elky> still evasion
[07:28] <elky> and yay, PMs
[07:33] <bazhang> new feature in floodbot3?
[07:33] <bazhang>  FloodBot3 has kicked vitalii from #ubuntu (vitalii)
[07:34] <bazhang> he ban evading in -ot
[07:34] <bazhang> err he's
[07:35] <rww> sure? I don't remember a ban being set on him in there
[07:35] <bazhang> whoops he's not my bad
[07:36] <bazhang> athiest_monk appears to be jungli
[07:37] <elky> bazhang, where?
[07:37] <elky> ah #f
[07:37] <bazhang> elky, was asking for a cloak in #freenode , although he has one as Spicemaster already
[07:38] <rww> what's the connection from athiest_monk to Jungli?
[07:39] <bazhang> same IP range
[07:39] <bazhang> he's done it before to get multiple cloaks
[07:40] <rww> heh. was in here and -ot earlier asking why bshellz is banned in #u
[07:41] <bazhang> his ident was loc0 and Jungli means "madness"
[07:46] <mneptok> @login
 yes yes ok i am jungli but tell em what is box ?
[08:25] <bazhang> rww, ^
[08:28] <bazhang> @mark atheist_monk ~loc0@122.162.216.181 is Jungli
[10:56] <guntbert> just a headsup in #ubuntu: * [Athiest_Monk] (~loc0@122.163.67.222): ....
[10:59] <Jungli> viva la teipei
[10:59] <Jungli> ahahhahaa
[11:00] <Tm_T> ok
[11:02] <popey> :(
[11:11] <elky> popey, yeah :(
[11:13] <Tm_T> as long as it just that...
[11:14] <elky> If only.
[12:47] <elky> Ohmy. Someone said "pedant" instead of the n-word. Sometimes offtopic makes me so proud.
[14:12] <Tm_T> quiet day?
[14:44] <jussi> no ikonia? o.O
[14:50] <IdleOne> my logs say jan 12 was the last time I saw him
[14:50] <popey> he's online right now
[14:50] <popey> (skype)
[15:00] <jussi> perhaps he is taking a break. its a good thing :)
[15:00] <jussi> everyone needs a break sometimes
[15:01] <Tm_T> breaks have been happening naturally for me, I feel fortunate on that
[15:02] <jussi> yeah, Ive found them hard to take, but if you can take them, you come back feeling much better :) (at least for me - but I seem to have this serial desire to be here)
[15:04] <Tm_T> dunno, somehow all this is quite natural for me, I just am if I am, haven't had much urge to any direction
[15:28] <Tm_T> might be that I am allowed to pay no attention to the channels like #f (;
[16:04] <IdleOne> people ask if there any admins (op) around then they msg you with a support related question :/
[16:05] <jussi> IdleOne: yeah, they think the admins know everything :D
[16:05] <IdleOne> hahahaha
[16:09] <Tm_T> I think someone at sometime argued that I (or someone else) shouldn't be an op because couldn't help him or soeone else with something
[16:09] <Tm_T> ...was I arbitary enough?
[16:14] <IdleOne> well, if technical knowledge of Ubuntu is a prerequisite to being an op. I am may as well hand in my apron and stop making cinnamon buns
[16:15] <IdleOne> s/am//
[16:15] <IdleOne> good thing knowing how to type isn't
[16:16] <IdleOne> :-)
[16:38] <topyli> this is why people request technical support on ubuntu-irc@l.u.c too!
[16:44] <topyli> no wai
[17:05] <tsimpson> Just a quick note regarding r00t4rd3d, most of you will know r00t4rd3d appealed against the ban in #ubuntu
[17:05] <tsimpson> the IRCC has denied the appeal and the ban stands
[17:08] <Tm_T> tsimpson: thank you for this information
[17:16] <popey> given his latest mails I can't see the CC doing anything to counter that decision
[17:19] <Tm_T> good thing he did provide so much material himself, ey?
[17:22] <CarlFK> poor guy.  I feel sorry for people who are so much at odds with the world.
[17:22]  * CarlFK waves at the log readers
[17:50] <IdleOne> we in a netsplit or something?
[17:51] <IdleOne> trying to set a mode and it is not appearing on my client
[17:52] <Tm_T> IdleOne: if you use irssi, /netsplit
[17:52] <IdleOne> ahh, nm. the +b is already set
[17:53] <IdleOne> Tm_T: what does /netsplit show you? not familiar with that command
[17:53] <Tm_T> 1952.12 -!- Irssi: There are no net splits
[17:53] <IdleOne> need to add that to xchat
[17:55] <IdleOne> shame those emails are not public
[17:56] <IdleOne> actually, forget that. The shame is that he was not able to conform to our community guidelines.
[17:59] <IdleOne> CarlFK: The thing that upset me most is that a lot of these problem users could actually be productive members of the community if they were not so mad at the world.
[18:00] <CarlFK> yep.
[18:01] <CarlFK> I have a close family member like that.  "I speak my mind!"  "why can't I keep a job?"
[18:01] <CarlFK> Every so often I try to explain the relation between those two.  maybe someday it will click.
[18:01] <IdleOne> hopefully with time
[18:02] <IdleOne> lost a few jobs myself because of speaking my mind
[18:02] <IdleOne> I learned to shut up (sometimes)
[18:03] <CarlFK> I struggle with that too
[18:03] <CarlFK> at least we are aware of it
[18:18] <jussi> you got to learn which battles are worth it...
[18:18] <IdleOne> indeed
[18:19] <IdleOne> the problem is not even "speaking your mind" but the words used,tone,attitude...
[19:31] <rww> tsimpson: thanks
[23:28]  * elky points to atomicspark in -ot
[23:43] <elky> guys... maco's stalker is in -offtopic
[23:44] <tonyyarusso> "stalker"?
[23:44] <elky> yes, as best we can tell, it's her ex
[23:44] <elky> or someone puppetted by him.
[23:46] <tonyyarusso> Interesting.  Are there any outstanding bans that are being evaded currently or anything like that?
[23:47] <tonyyarusso> might as well clarify who you mean while we're at it, just so everyone's on the same page.
[23:47] <elky> Tuskrattle.
[23:48] <elky> I get the feeling nyrednek is being coached somehow
[23:49] <elky> and even if the conversation were not between a stalker and a puppet, the topic is beyond odious.
[23:49] <IdleOne> So the creepiness and stalker like behaviour is going to be tolerated?
[23:50] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: No, it just needs to be made concrete and warned, and whatnot.
[23:50] <elky> IdleOne, apparently. I'm at work right now, I can't really deal with an onslaught.
[23:50] <tonyyarusso> that works too
[23:50] <rww> evenin'
[23:51]  * tonyyarusso gives rww the assist
[23:51] <IdleOne> tonyyarusso: ok, as long as we are not planning on letting these known problem users take over the channel.
[23:51] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: Not at all.
[23:51] <TuskRattle> there is an incident I must report
[23:53] <elky> And what may that be?
[23:53] <TuskRattle> good. elky, your friend rww has banned me from an offtopic room
[23:54] <elky> I'm pretty certain I banned you the other day.
[23:54] <TuskRattle> impossible
[23:54] <TuskRattle> i am a new guy
[23:54] <TuskRattle> you have to believe me
[23:55] <elky> No, I don't have to believe anything.
[23:55] <rww> I don't.
[23:55] <IdleOne> TuskRattle: report your incident.
[23:55] <TuskRattle> you better start explaining to me
[23:55] <TuskRattle> why did rww ban me
[23:55] <rww> TuskRattle: Because you were evading the ban I set on you the other day.
[23:56] <TuskRattle> is this the turf of drug lords or something
[23:56] <tonyyarusso> rww: ah, so the answer to my earlier question was "yes" then?  Handy.
[23:56] <TuskRattle> i am not sure i can even say rww was overzealous. it appears to be a freak incident
[23:56] <rww> The only drug-related activity I'm aware of in here is that I'm currently high on caffeine.
[23:57] <TuskRattle> but as time progresses, you seem to be suspect
[23:57] <TuskRattle> did you ban me for your own good ? probably not. did you ban me to save yourself? i don't think so, but i know you wish it was that easy.
[23:58] <IdleOne> TuskRattle: You reported your so called incident, rww has told you why you were banned. nothing left to discuss.
[23:58] <TuskRattle> i think you banned me to keep me out of your offtopic club?
[23:58] <TuskRattle> no he did not
[23:58] <IdleOne> he did
[23:58] <TuskRattle> rww has not said a thing here
 TuskRattle: Because you were evading the ban I set on you the other day.
[23:58] <TuskRattle> no he gave a warning and still it was uncalled for
[23:58] <TuskRattle> that isn't me
[23:58] <TuskRattle> you have no proof.
[23:59] <elky> Oh yes, we do.
[23:59] <IdleOne> ok, well I feel your recent stalker like behaviour in the channel is reason enough to leave the ban.
[23:59] <TuskRattle> you don't have any bans logged that list my IP
[23:59] <TuskRattle> if you do please share it
[23:59] <IdleOne> it will not be lifted.
[23:59] <IdleOne> !appeals