[00:46] <czajkowski> Aloha
[00:46] <dutchie> hi czajkowski
[00:46] <czajkowski> dutchie: howdy
[00:46] <hamitron> o/
[00:58] <jgjones> hamitron, yes it might annoy you - however I do have to live with this day in day out. Unless action is taken, I'll have to continue to put with this for life. In the case of ITV's on demand catch up services, LoveFilm et al - there is NO technical barrier why they can't do subtitles. BBC's iPlayer is a perfect example - all BBC TV channels are 100% subtitled and iPlayer is nearly 100% subtitled too (they're getting to
[00:58] <jgjones>  100% soon)
[01:01] <jgjones> ITV, Lovefilm and so on don't have an excuse to not to do it. It doesn't really cost them anything. In the case of ITV - where they subtitle their TV shows, they already have the subtitle files - they just re-use it for ondemand catch up. In the case of LoveFilm - the film makers already make the subtitles. The cost to add on subtitles is really next to nothing.
[01:05] <directhex> jgjones: ah... it's not quite that simple. dvd subtitles are an additional mpeg2 video stream, not text. so they'd need to do make video files for all subtitles & add overlay , or re-encode with burnt-in subtitles, or OCR them (which needs manual handholding)
[01:06] <czajkowski> directhex: ELLO
[01:06] <directhex> EHLO
[01:06] <directhex> a little SMTP humour for you there
[01:07] <czajkowski> directhex: nerd
[01:07] <directhex> guilty
[01:08] <UtrinqueParatus> 501 Syntax: EHLO czajkowski
[01:08] <UtrinqueParatus> :P
[01:12] <jgjones> directhex - it's not that difficult - I am quite sure it's really NOT that difficult for a company that stream movies as part of their business to do. They would have to re-encode all videos so that they can stream anyway.
[01:12] <directhex> i'm just saying they don't have subtitles, they have a second video stream.
[01:13] <directhex> which happens to contain pictures of text
[01:13] <jgjones> I know there's a 2nd video stream - but again, they should be able to figure this out instead of doing nothing about it.
[01:14] <hamitron> yeh, they should do something about it
[01:14]  * penguin42 had assumed subtitles were text in the transport stream somewhere
[01:14] <jgjones> (customer service at Lovefilm when asked what they're doing about it "We're sorry but we don't provide subtitles, we apologise for your inconveince and all that blah blah"
[01:14] <jgjones> ITV "we're looking at it"
[01:15] <jgjones> They launched in 2008.
[01:15] <jgjones> I asked then.
[01:15] <jgjones> I asked in 2009.
[01:15] <jgjones> I asked in 2010.
[01:16] <jgjones> It's now 2011 and i still have 0% subtitles.
[01:16] <jgjones> I honestly don't think it take a few years to figure it out.
[01:16] <jgjones> and if I ask them - I just get the same generic answer "we're looking at it".
[01:16] <hamitron> maybe one of the cutbacks :/
[01:17] <jgjones> They already have spent the money in making the subtitles in the first place.
[01:17] <jgjones> they have it.
[01:17] <UtrinqueParatus> doubtful considering the amount they are spending on a san data migration at present
[01:17] <Pendulum> jgjones: I suspect it would take a lawsuit. In the past, I'd suggest you take it up with the EHRC, but I'm not sure what the status is with the EHRC due to all the cuts happening right now
[01:18]  * Pendulum is semi-literate in UK disability law and disability politics stuff
[01:18] <Pendulum> but, they are correct that it's a violation of the Equality Act
[01:18] <Pendulum> (and before that was a violation of the DDA)
[01:18] <jgjones> Sigh first step is to write to them and ask them if they consider that they are not in breach of the EA 2010 and if not, why not.
[01:18] <jgjones> And go with that.
[01:19] <jgjones> I know some deafies used that for BBC - they show video clips on their news pages which are not subtitled. BBC are now working on it, with a small number starting to show them.
[01:20] <Pendulum> yeah
[01:20] <jgjones> I don't have a problem with BBC though - they're pretty good at doing it at least.
[01:20]  * penguin42 notes their subtitles on the TV can be amusingly inaccurate
[01:21] <jgjones> penguin42, recently on BBC Breakfast, they was talking about pigs. Presenter said "....and they like to nibble on wellies" - Subtitle said "...and they like to nibble on willies"
[01:21] <penguin42> :-)
[01:22] <jgjones> (subtitles is now a mixture of live operator with speech recogisation)
[01:23] <jgjones> BTW - even Google is attempting to put on captions on as many YouTube videos as possible using speech recogisation. Accuracy is very very bad, but at least they're working on it. Pretty awesome.
[01:24] <jgjones> Talking about subtitles - in USA, a team is using those kinect cameras to translate sign language into a spoken language.
[01:24] <jgjones> (well it translate into text which can then be spoken outloud)
[01:25] <Pendulum> that's cool. I hadn't heard about that. I wonder if maco has
[01:25] <jgjones> http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/20/kinect-hacks-american-sign-language-recognition/
[01:26] <jgjones> At moment, it only understand a small number of signs, but it will be a tough project because sign language like spoken language do have its own accent for different regions of the country (sign for a meaning done differently)
[01:26] <Pendulum> yeah
[01:27] <Pendulum> I was about to say that about the different dialects of ASL
[01:27] <Pendulum> (I'm int the US and have several deaf friends so know some ASL)
[01:27] <jgjones> In UK - using BSL (British SL) - we make use of face gestures a lot so would be interesting to see how kinect would cope with that.
[01:28] <Pendulum> I learned ASL with facial gestures being important so I would think they'd need to take that into account somehow
[01:28] <jgjones> yeah. ASL does make use of finger spelling a lot compared to BSL mind you
[01:28] <Pendulum> *nods*
[01:28] <Pendulum> I don't know any BSL other than the few words that I think overlap
[01:29] <jgjones> (BSL - finger spelling done with two hands, not 1 handed)
[01:29] <jgjones> and with that...time for me to sod off to bed :)
[01:29] <jgjones> night all
[01:29] <Pendulum> jgjones: good night
[01:30] <ball> BSL isn't fingerspelling though.
[01:30]  * ball actually just typed BSD instead of BSL ;-)
[01:30] <Pendulum> ball: I know. It's just that in the US the alphabet can all be signed one handed
[01:30] <Pendulum> (in ASL)
[01:30] <ball> Pendulum: I know, my daughter keeps telling me that I can do that.
[01:31] <ball> I only remember a few letters that I remember from signs.
[01:31] <Pendulum> which may be why finger-spelling shows up a little more in ASL
[01:31] <ball> I should take a class in ASL
[01:31] <Pendulum> ball: you're in the US?
[01:31] <ball> Yes.  It seemed like a good idea at the time.
[01:32] <Pendulum> heh
[01:32] <Pendulum> I am too, which is why I asked :)
[01:32] <HazRPG> I have an interesting question I would like to ask. Is there a way to make a computer a router, when the internet connection you have is based of ADSL or similar?
[01:33] <HazRPG> been doing some googling, and it seems it is possible in america, because most of them have cable... but I was wondering if its also possible on ADSL
[01:33] <Azelphur> yes it's possible on ADSL in exactly the same way
[01:33] <Azelphur> I did it before
[01:33] <Pendulum> ball: maco created a program to teach ASL (or any other sign language someone wants to translate the program for). I think it's still only in a PPA, but it's kinda cool. Just missing a lot of words
[01:33] <Azelphur> HazRPG: do you have a dedicated machine to do it?
[01:34] <HazRPG> Azelphur: without having a router I mean anywhere along the line?
[01:34] <Azelphur> yes
[01:34] <ball> Azelphur: Yes, I've even done that with dial-up before.
[01:34] <Azelphur> you just need a modem
[01:34] <Azelphur> although why you wouldn't want a router seems weird to me :P
[01:34] <HazRPG> Azelphur: Yeah it's currently running Windows Server 2003 (licence from MSDNAA, because I'm on my final year at uni)
[01:34] <Azelphur> o.O
[01:35] <ball> HazRPG: I wouldn't keep that on there if I wanted to use it as a router though.
[01:35] <ball> ...best not to have a Windows machine Internet-facing
[01:35] <HazRPG> ball: heh, trust me I've been slowly merging all my stuff to linux stuff over the last couple of years
[01:36] <ball> Linux is probably safer, based on my experience.
[01:36] <HazRPG> I've since linux distros designed to make a machine a router
[01:37] <HazRPG> I plan to put ... vSphere I think its called now? ... ESXi onto it and have ubuntu/debian server, and a router linux distro if they can work well together
[01:38] <HazRPG> ball: Linux is usually the O/S inside a router anyways
[01:38] <HazRPG> I'd trust linux over windows any day
[01:38] <HazRPG> long time coming to try and switch the windows server to a linux one, been slowly getting to grips with linux versions of stuff so that I can finally do this switch
[01:39] <HazRPG> but I was hoping to scrap my router so I have more options with it
[01:40] <HazRPG> I also want to cable my house out with ethernet ports, getting sick of having a slow connection on my PS3 because its on wireless
[01:40] <HazRPG> Azelphur: Seriously, all you need is a modem? As in a regular 56k modem as found in old PCs?
[01:40] <Azelphur> HazRPG: no as in an ADSL modem.
[01:41] <HazRPG> Azelphur: ah, I'm with you now
[01:41] <Azelphur> :)
[01:41] <ball> HazRPG: 56k modem is only good for analogue dial-up.
[01:41] <ball> for certain definitions of "good".
[01:41] <HazRPG> didn't think those things existed for commercial use
[01:42] <ball> Commercial whatnow?
[01:42] <HazRPG> ball: heh, despite the bane that was dial-up - I still had good memories in those days :P
[01:42] <ball> Fidonet ftw.
[01:43] <HazRPG> ball: my mistake, I meant consumer use
[01:43] <HazRPG> or regular punter retail...
[01:43] <HazRPG> argh... I knew what I meant xD
[01:43] <HazRPG> (still thinking in code ATM)
[01:44] <HazRPG> much thanks for the info ball and Azelphur :)
[01:44] <ball> HazRPG: I'm confused.
[01:44] <Azelphur> yw :P
[01:44] <HazRPG> ball: how so?
[01:46] <ball> HazRPG: Never mind, I may have just misunderstood.
[01:46] <HazRPG> ball: I just meant that I didn't think ADSL cards existed for us regular folk :P
[01:47] <HazRPG> I thought they were only available to business and such likes that have servers setup in their office space/data centres
[01:47] <ball> HazRPG: It needn't be a PCI card. Either PCI or external Ethernet modem would do the job.
[01:49] <HazRPG> now you've just got my mind running in overdrive, too many options xD
[01:49] <HazRPG> I can finally use the ethernet boxes I bought from Maplins years ago properly :P
[01:50] <ball> I may end up doing something similar.  Thinking of switching from DSL to Cable at the end of this month.
[01:50] <HazRPG> ball: ah, of course, you live in America right (I think... I remember having this discussion with you some many months back)
[01:52]  * ball nods
[01:53] <HazRPG> when you say similar, you mean wiring up the house with Ethernet ports, or your own properly managed server/router type scenario
[01:54] <ball> HazRPG: I may go back to using a computer as a combined router and Web server.
[01:54] <ball> ...and general gateway.
[01:54] <HazRPG> another reason I'm doing it is because I recently had to get my phone line rewired due to noise margins being very ... iffy ... to say the least on my line. Turns out the BT guy came round and said "there's your problem, that line outside your house is 40 years old!)
[01:55] <HazRPG> ball: ah, that's cool
[01:56] <ball> Ours are ancient too.  I think that's one of the reasons that our DSL connection has been suboptimal.
[01:56] <HazRPG> ball: at the moment, all my server does at the moment is host web (via Apache) and Murmur. It use to do so much more than that, but over the years just didn't have the need for half of them anymore
[01:57] <HazRPG> ball: Yeah, mine got so bad that I had to drop down from 8Mbps to 1Mbps... and was still suffering from random drop outs and other things.
[01:58] <ball> I don't know what Murmur is.  I have seen Apache in the past.
[01:58] <HazRPG> Apparently now my line can reach up to 10Mbps...
[01:58] <HazRPG> Murmur is the server application name for Mumble (VoIP server)
[01:59] <HazRPG> and since both run on linux perfectly, I plan to move my windows one over to linux
[02:00] <ball> Mumble's a good name for a VoIP app.
[02:00] <HazRPG> also want to get into setting up DNS servers, and other things - I mean I've been learning networking related stuff for over 7 years now, 'bout time I used that knowledge xD
[02:00] <HazRPG> ball: Haha, I thought so too. Works so much better than TeamSpeak or Ventrilo
[02:01] <HazRPG> I use it for all my friends to keep in contact
[02:01]  * ball isn't familiar with either of those.
[02:01] <HazRPG> since all of them think that IRC is old news :/ (they're so very wrong though)
[02:02] <HazRPG> Before Xbox Live and stuff like that came about, gamers use to use TeamSpeak or Ventrilo to communicate
[02:02] <HazRPG> PC gamers still use them, but not so much since most games build their own into their servers now
[02:03] <ball> Ah.  Pong's about my limit when it comes to games, though I did buy my wife one of those newfangled Wii things recently.
[02:03] <HazRPG> I find it useful because I can give out tech-advice to friends, and likewise they can do the same with me
[02:03] <ball> ...still haven't found the slot to plug in my Atari cartridges though.
[02:04] <HazRPG> ball: Haha, I still own my Atari 2600 somewhere :P
[02:04] <HazRPG> never needed to buy cartridges, mine had hundreds of games already built in
[02:05] <ball> The 2600 had an interesting processor chip
[02:05] <HazRPG> ball: I don't see the excitement over the wii
[02:05] <HazRPG> ball: oh really? Better than my Sharp Home Computer did?
[02:05] <ball> 6507, which was essentially a 6502 (as in the BBC Micro and CBM VIC 20)
[02:05] <ball> ...but with fewer pins and less address space.
[02:06] <HazRPG> wow cool
[02:06] <HazRPG> did not know that
[02:07] <HazRPG> ball: did you ever find that the Atari controllers didn't last very long?
[02:07] <HazRPG> well joysticks really, because it wasn't really a controller
[02:09] <ball> Sega Megadrive ones work well on it iirc.
[02:09] <ball> ...or the Quickshot II Turbo.
[02:11] <HazRPG> woah, you know what I never made that connection at the time that those would work on it
[02:11] <HazRPG> but now that you mention it, the port was exactly the same
[02:13] <ball> You'll likely end up with one or two buttons that don't do anything, but that's tolerable.
[02:13]  * ball tries to remember what he was going to look up on Wikipedia
[02:14] <HazRPG> well the original joystick only had 2 (or mine did at least)
[02:14] <HazRPG> so it makes sense
[02:14] <ball> Atari joysticks only had one button.
[02:14] <HazRPG> ah, the replacement ones I got had 2 one on this stick itself, and one on the base
[02:15]  * ball nods
[02:15]  * HazRPG contemplating grabbing the atari out of its dusty box now and trying my megadrive controller on it
[02:15] <HazRPG> so tempting
[02:16] <ball> I have an industrial microswitch joystick that I may "redeploy" for Atari use
[02:16] <HazRPG> :P
[02:16] <HazRPG> go for it :P
[02:16] <HazRPG> brb
[02:20] <HazRPG> bk
[02:21] <HazRPG> why did cartridges go out of fashion :(
[02:21] <ball> I need to go and consolidate some rubbish bins, because that's how glamourous my life is.
[02:21] <ball> I'll be back in a little while.
[02:21] <HazRPG> :o?
[02:22] <HazRPG> I was doing that earlier with the recycling bins :/
[02:22] <HazRPG> anyone know what's happening at the ubuntu-uk stall?
[02:30] <shauno> I've got a lovely microswitch stick I picked up with every intention of making a mame cabinet, but never did :(
[02:35] <HazRPG> you totally should!
[02:37] <HazRPG> you know, I'm slowly starting to think that pidgin will never get video or voice protocols implemented... :/
[02:38] <HazRPG> I keep saying to myself, they might add it in the next version... but they never do :/
[03:14] <karlios> mornin' folks
[03:15] <HazRPG> morning
[03:16] <karlios> so...where about's in england are ya?
[03:16]  * karlios is by Worcester
[03:18] <karlios> right.
[03:19] <karlios> well, been great talking with you.
[03:19] <karlios> wish you'd let me get a word in edgewise tho...
[03:30] <HazRPG> ...??
[03:30] <HazRPG> well that wasn't confusing at all :s
[05:12] <ball> HazRPG: That was odd.
[06:49] <ravibn> my webcam (frontech e-cam JIL2214) is not working after installing 10.10 anyone pl help it worked fine with 10.04 ubuntu
[06:55] <Myrtti> love the amount of parience
[06:55] <Myrtti> patience, even
[09:19] <danfish> morning!!
[09:19] <danfish> A question - I'm putting ubuntu on my dad's machine
[09:19] <danfish> he's not particularly tech savvy
[09:20] <danfish> better to put an LTS on on or the latest (10.10)?
[09:36] <popey_> danfish: will you be supporting it?
[09:36] <popey_> bah!
[09:40] <danfish> popey: yup...but remotely
[09:41] <danfish> but I figure easier to support remotely than his current XP machine
[09:42] <popey> yeah
[09:42] <popey> i use ssh and vnc to support my mumn
[09:42] <popey> but she's just round the corner
[09:43] <danfish> that's convenient - my dad's 250miles away :(
[09:44] <freckle> [17~
[09:45] <danfish> 10.04's running stable on it - I'll stick with that for now I think. Now to copy my ssh key over and turn off password based logins
[09:47] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:48] <popey> morning czajkowski
[09:48] <popey> i love vnc -via
[09:49] <czajkowski> popey: hiya
[09:51] <danfish> popey: vnc -via ?
[09:51] <popey> yup
[09:51] <danfish> lo czajkowski
[09:51] <popey> so assuming you have ssh keys setup to your dads machine you can do this.
[09:52] <popey> vncviewer -via ip.of.dad.pc localhost
[09:52] <popey> which will open an ssh tunnel and vnc to the target (his pc on his lan)
[09:52] <danfish> ah cool. Tx :)
[09:53] <popey> Daviey: told me about that
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[10:00] <daubers> morning
[10:03] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> \o/ http://goo.gl/maps/GD0M
[10:10] <czajkowski> hows folks ?
[10:11] <czajkowski> went out last night over here for the first time, bit of an eye opener ;)
[10:11] <livingdaylight> hi
[10:12] <livingdaylight> having issue with ssh
[10:12] <livingdaylight> port:22 Cannot connect
[10:12] <livingdaylight> Connection refused rather
[10:12] <popey> livingdaylight: where are you ssh'ing to?
[10:13] <livingdaylight> using ssh remoteuser@remotebox where remoteuser is username and remotebox is ip
[10:13] <popey> does that box have ssh installed and running?
[10:13] <livingdaylight> let me double check
[10:17] <livingdaylight> ok, embarrassed to admit that other box didn't have ssh installed
[10:17] <livingdaylight> ooops, my bad...
[10:17] <livingdaylight> does ssh get removed in the distribution upgrade process?
[10:18] <popey> not usually, no
[10:18] <livingdaylight> coz I was sure it had previously been installed, hrmmm...
[10:18] <popey> is the package "openssh-server" installed or just the "ssh" package?
[10:19] <freckle> ssh-server has to be installed on new install
[10:19] <livingdaylight> synaptic installs both automatically
[10:19] <popey> livingdaylight: depends what package you select
[10:19] <popey> !info ssh
[10:19] <popey> !info ssh-server
[10:19] <popey> freckle: it's openssh-server, not ssh-server AIUI
[10:20] <livingdaylight> selecting ssh also added openssh-server
[10:20] <popey> yeah
[10:21] <freckle> popey: sure, I am on my phone and lazy. I type it often enough to know :-)
[10:21] <popey> :)
[10:37] <czajkowski> hmm I've no skype machine working and need to skype mates today, this is going to be annoying
[10:38] <czajkowski> feck
[10:38] <popey> why does skype not work?
[10:38] <czajkowski> popey: mini 9 was on luci went to maverick and ran out of space so it stopped installing, so have a natty usb but it won't install and keeps hanging
[10:38] <czajkowski> work machine I left in the office which has skype on it
[10:39] <czajkowski> and the tosh doesnt have a in built mic
[10:39] <czajkowski> :S
[10:39] <popey> come over here if you need to
[10:39] <czajkowski> thanks
[10:39] <czajkowski> going to try and get natty to install again
[10:40] <popey> i have gone back to maverick
[10:40] <czajkowski> just if I could understand why it just looks like it is installing and does diddly squat it would help
[10:40] <popey> i would install maverick and upgrade
[10:40] <popey> rather than try the natty installer
[10:40] <czajkowski> might do that ...
[10:40] <czajkowski> hmm
[10:40] <popey> less hassle
[10:42] <czajkowski> nods
[10:43] <czajkowski> popey: if Ubuntu uk wants to hold a talk/demo for release party outside of london, Sirisu can offer space, or if ye just want to meet up some Saturday to do a workshop place is also available
[10:44] <popey> nice one
[10:44] <czajkowski> we're going to open to any user group who would like a free place to meet up
[10:44] <czajkowski> flip side is someone has to be there, but I don't mind tbh as long as I've enough notice and doesn't clash with rugby
[10:44] <czajkowski> :)
[10:45] <danfish> RUBGY :D
[10:46] <czajkowski> danfish: indeed although my team seem to want to give us heart failure atm
[10:47] <danfish> czajkowski: t'was a bit close against Glasgow for you
[10:47] <czajkowski> danfish: 3 games in a row they've done that now.
[10:48] <czajkowski> last 2 mins and a drop goal or a penalty is just too_damn_close
[10:48] <czajkowski> we've a H cup game today
[10:48] <danfish> toulon isn't it? Not on TV afaik
[10:48] <czajkowski> hoping to get a stream of it
[10:49] <danfish> ooh - how?
[10:49] <czajkowski> let me see if I can find the URL
[10:50]  * danfish takes a look at the munster website - nicely done site IMO
[10:50] <czajkowski> it's not bad...
[10:51] <czajkowski> danfish: lost history need to go poke someone for the url again
[10:51] <danfish> np
[10:52] <czajkowski> leading the Magners League at 49 pts :D
[10:56] <danfish> nice - what do you think of the World Cup groupings?
[10:57] <czajkowski> not seen them tbh
[10:57] <czajkowski> dreding tonights game, could be the end of us in the H cup
[11:02] <danfish> Leinster were rather good yesterday
[11:02] <czajkowski> nods
[11:02] <czajkowski> they are, which pains me to admit it!
[11:06] <danfish> World Cup fixture list if you're interested http://support.fishms.org/Rugby_World_Cup_2011_Calendar.ics
[11:08] <czajkowski> oh Google cal how much do I love thee! :D
[11:09] <danfish> :D
[11:10] <danfish> Android friendly
[11:10] <gord> home \o/
[11:13] <czajkowski> gord: welcome back
[11:22] <gord> its so very good to be back :)
[11:23] <gord> i would like to take a nap, but my cat won't let me, its hugs and cuddles time apparently. not nap time at all
[12:18] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[12:36] <jgjones> danfish - thanks for that World Cup fixture list :D
[12:39] <jgjones> czajkowski, bah...munster supporter :P
[12:40] <jgjones> Scarlets for me.
[12:41]  * dutchie can hear the worcester warriors stadium from his house on match days if the wind is right
[12:43] <jgjones> Although I do support Osprey secondly due to going to uni in Swansea but if it's Scarlets vs Osprey, no contest.
[12:43] <daubers> jgjones: You poor soul
[12:44] <Guest13772> hi, when i launch a wine application ubuntu log me off
[12:44] <Guest13772> any idea why??
[12:45] <jgjones> daubers, can't argue that having just lost to the Tigers
[12:45] <daubers> jgjones: More of the going to Uni at Swansea
[12:47] <AlanBell> afternoon all
[12:47]  * AlanBell is on a boat
[12:47] <richard_>  when i launch a wine application ubuntu log me off any idea why??
[12:47] <jgjones> daubers, don't worry. I left after 2 years ;-)
[12:48] <jgjones> richard_, does that apply to all wine applications?
[12:56] <daubers> jgjones: I left under a cloud.... going back to Swansea in a couple of weeks to see some people though
[13:07] <czajkowski> Ospreys are a really good team
[13:08] <jgjones> well...they have quality players...
[13:09] <jgjones> but...somehow they just aren't winning cups that "on paper" they should be :)
[13:09] <czajkowski> not looking forward to this evenings match, even though we top the othertable
[13:09] <czajkowski> :(
[13:10] <jgjones> vs Toulon?
[13:10] <czajkowski> aye
[13:10] <jgjones> Munster do have a good chance
[13:11] <jgjones> be a good game to watch
[13:13] <Wolflfd> hey
[13:13] <Wolflfd> im trying to sudo apt-get install gimp
[13:13] <Wolflfd> but every time I do it it says
[13:13] <Wolflfd> http://paste.monsterprojects.org/mpbeezejejkejhs
[13:13] <Wolflfd> and I have no idea what to do :/
[13:14] <czajkowski> jgjones: ah we've not done well away
[13:14] <brobostigon> Wolflfd: go into software sources and enable all the repos, and try again.
[13:15] <brobostigon> Wolflfd: maybe some dependencies arent inthe repos you have enabled.
[13:15] <Wolflfd> i had enabled all the repos
[13:16] <brobostigon> Wolflfd: do as it suggests, with apt-get -f install.
[13:16] <Wolflfd> yes I did
[13:16] <brobostigon> same result?
[13:16] <Wolflfd> http://paste.monsterprojects.org/mpbeezejezhjlsj
[13:16] <Wolflfd> there's some error in libungif4g I think O_o
[13:18] <brobostigon> Wolflfd: iwould say there is either a package or repo inconsistency, but i would checkwith a more experienced person.
[13:19] <brobostigon> Wolflfd: i would clean your package cache, sudo apt-get clean, and try again.
[13:19] <brobostigon> apt-get update, first.
[13:19] <Wolflfd> when i try to install it from software center, it gives error message with "The package system is broken"
[13:19] <Wolflfd> Details say "libimlib2"
[13:25] <Wolflfd> ok i search software center for libimlib2 and found it
[13:25] <Wolflfd> then i pressed remove
[13:26] <Wolflfd> but no, I can't remove broken package because that packages breaks my package system which is needed to remove/install packages :P
[13:26] <brobostigon> Wolflfd: apt-get clean    ,and try, apt-get -f install , again.
[13:26] <Wolflfd> yup I tried that
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> Wolflfd: what does it say?
[13:27] <Wolflfd> nothing
[13:27] <Wolflfd> I mean
[13:27] <Wolflfd> the same
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> you need to install either libgif OR libungif
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> you can't have both
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> also.. dapper? are you sure?
[13:27] <Wolflfd> yeah I started synaptic package manager and marked it to be removed
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> Wolflfd: try: dpkg --remove libungif4g
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> Wolflfd: then apt-get -f install
[13:28] <brobostigon> lsb_realease -a
[13:28] <brobostigon> lsb_release -a
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: in the pastebin output it says "dapper/main"
[13:29] <Wolflfd> hmm
[13:29] <Wolflfd> I think it works now, thanks!
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> Wolflfd: Dapper is almost 5 years old, and won't be supported after June
[13:29] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, justmaking sure there arent anyinconsistencies between what is in sources.lst and the actual version that should be there.
[13:29] <Wolflfd> Dapper
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> !dapper
[13:30] <Wolflfd> am I supposed to know what is that?
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> Wolflfd: it's the version of Ubuntu you're using
[13:30] <Wolflfd> I'm using ubuntu 10.10 though but
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> Wolflfd: can you put /etc/apt/sources.list on pastebin?
[13:30] <Wolflfd> okay
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> Wolflfd: because apt-get thinks you want 6.06
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> (or at least parts of it)
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> Wolflfd: also, please paste the output of lsb_release -a there :)
[13:31] <Wolflfd> http://paste.monsterprojects.org/mpbeezejjeebhlb
[13:31] <Wolflfd> No LSB modules are available.
[13:31] <Wolflfd> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[13:31] <Wolflfd> Description:	Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS
[13:31] <Wolflfd> Release:	10.04
[13:31] <Wolflfd> Codename:	lucid
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> Wolflfd: your did you overwrite your sources.list after installation?
[13:31] <brobostigon> yep, inconsistent.
[13:31] <jgjones> wonder how that happened - your apt-sources are all for dabber
[13:32] <Wolflfd> oh crap
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> jgjones: (probably an outdated HOWTO)
[13:32] <Wolflfd> I think I know -_
[13:32] <Wolflfd> MartijnVdS: exactly
[13:33] <Wolflfd> so, how can I reset it?
[13:33] <Wolflfd> can I just delete it and it get's restored from somewhere?
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> Wolflfd: you can open up the "Software sources" preference thingy
[13:33] <brobostigon> Wolflfd: iwould change the dapper entries , and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[13:34] <brobostigon> ingnore me.
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: software-sources can write a correct sources.list :)
[13:34] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: good point, insted of doing it manually and maybe getting it wrong.
[13:34] <Wolflfd> so uhm, what do I do at software sources?
[13:35] <jgjones> Ubuntu Software tab - tick at least Main
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> Wolflfd: which options are selected?
[13:35] <Wolflfd> i checked all the checkboxes in Ubuntu software tab and unchecked all dapper checkboxes at other software
[13:35] <jgjones> that would do it.
[13:35] <directhex> wibble
[13:35] <MartijnVdS> Wolflfd: I'd recommend against enabling backports and proposed
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> unless you know what you;'re doing :)
[13:36] <jgjones> that's in the Updates tab btw :)
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> jgjones: oh it is
[13:37] <jgjones> in Updates tab - make sure at least Important security updates is ticked (recommended updates too if you want to)
[13:38] <jgjones> Automatic updates is up to you but it's a good idea to check for updates at least automatically.
[13:38] <Wolflfd> okay thanks
[13:39] <Wolflfd> having dapper repos might explain a lot of why some things haven't worked as good as they should :P
[13:40] <jgjones> If you're not comfortable with terminal line - then go to the System menu and select Update Manager and check for updates
[14:07] <daubers> right, ice cream base mix cooling down before going in the machine
[14:08] <exobuzz> ice cream <3
[14:08]  * exobuzz passes daubers a cone
[14:08] <directhex> nice cream!
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> woo.. FINALLY managed to burn a CD with audio tracks first, then a data track (that's readable by Windows and Linux, and I assume OSX)
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> good thing I was using a CD-RW :)
[14:13] <penguin42> what does it do - have instructions about what to do with the data?
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: no you can play it in a regular CD player (without having to skip to track 2), and you can access the files on a PC
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: it's used on lots of audio CDs these days for "bonus content" and "online bonus" etc.
[14:14] <penguin42> ah
[14:18] <daubers> exobuzz: Needs to cool for 3 hours and then go into the mixer machine!
[14:23] <jacobw> the new beatles CDs had a data track that contained video content
[14:28] <ujjain> does ubuntu uk have an offtopic channel?
[14:28] <popey> no
[14:28] <bigcalm> Afternoon peeps
[14:28] <popey> hi bigcalm
[14:29] <ujjain> ah ok, I am wondering ¨whom did you see?¨ < is that correct or incorrect?
[14:29] <popey> thats correct
[14:29] <bigcalm> ujjain: depending upon the flow of the channel, topics rules can sometimes be fairly relaxed
[14:29] <popey> but most people would say "who did you see"
[14:29] <bigcalm> Howdy popey
[14:29] <brobostigon> whom is very old english.
[14:29] <ujjain> ah ok, who sounds more natural, but I was talking about who vs whom last week with somebody
[14:29] <jacobw> people rarely use 'whom' in contempary english
[14:30] <ujjain> but most of the English just use ´who´ all the time it seems
[14:30] <popey> yeah, whom is used by posh people and pedants :)
[14:30] <bigcalm> Oi
[14:30] <bigcalm> ;)
[14:30] <ujjain> would a PM use whom? :p
[14:30] <popey> depends on the audience
[14:30] <bigcalm> Just don't get us started on less and fewer
[14:30] <jacobw> depends whether they are speaking "of the people" or not
[14:30] <popey> heh
[14:30] <ujjain> haha, :P
[14:30] <popey> ujjain: we have seriously considered an #ubuntu-uk-pedants channel :)
[14:31] <dutchie> it existed for a bit
[14:31] <popey> ^ king pedant
[14:31] <jacobw> well, we do have to have standards
[14:31] <bigcalm> popey: I just had a fried egg sandwitch, seeing Nick Frost's lunch puts it to shame
[14:31] <popey> bigcalm: yeah :)
[14:31]  * dutchie takes that as a compliment
[14:31] <popey> we had roast chicken
[14:31] <popey> his pork looked better
[14:31] <dutchie> from facebook: It took me 20 minutes to make the king of all sandwiches. It's taken me over an hour to finish it. Tasty time-wasting.
[14:31] <ujjain> I like dutchie´s dog, that/which/who is as smart as his owner.
[14:32] <bigcalm> He's a good cook. I recall that he was a chef before being an actor
[14:32] <jacobw> dutchie has a dog?
[14:32] <ujjain> popey: hehe :p
[14:32] <ujjain> I wonder if who/which < which is better, I would use who
[14:32] <jacobw> i would use who as well
[14:33] <dutchie> jacobw: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jshholland/3756333348/
[14:33] <bigcalm> Which person are you talking about?
[14:33] <popey> awww lovely doggy
[14:33] <bigcalm> Which and who are used completely differently
[14:33] <jacobw> aw :)
[14:33] <bigcalm> dutchie: nice
[14:34] <ujjain> dutchie: are you Dutch?
[14:34] <bigcalm> popey: recent minecraft updates have given me bones from dead skeletons, any thoughts on what to do with them?
[14:34] <jacobw> we need a QI siren for that question
[14:35] <popey> i think you can make bonemeal
[14:35] <dutchie> we do indeed
[14:35] <dutchie> ujjain: no, not in the slightest
[14:35] <dutchie> check my /whois for a clue
[14:35] <popey> bigcalm: http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crafting
[14:35] <popey> look for bonemeal
[14:35] <ujjain> I already checked, but wanted to be sure.
[14:35] <bigcalm> ujjain: no, he is owned by Prince Charles
[14:36] <ujjain> do the Welsh consider themselves English?
[14:36] <popey> bigcalm: cake!
[14:36] <bigcalm> popey: ah, I didn't know if that wiki was company or comunity maintained
[14:36] <popey> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Cake
[14:36] <popey> community
[14:36] <bigcalm> ujjain: no
[14:37] <ujjain> I was thinking what countries were mainly 1 people. Wondered about England.
[14:37] <bigcalm> ujjain: each part of the UK considers itself to be itself. The only grouping would be to consider oneself British
[14:37] <ujjain> Yeah, I understand.
[14:37] <ujjain> the PM of England, is he PM of Scotland?
[14:37] <dutchie> and "british" excludes northern ireland, which is part of the uk
[14:37] <dutchie> strictly speaking
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> You're all UKies
[14:37] <bigcalm> ujjain: tricky but yes
[14:38] <brobostigon> ujjain: he is the primeminister of the united kindgon of great britain.
[14:38] <jacobw> whomever is the prime minister of england is the leader of britain
[14:38] <ujjain> Yes, I read about British as nationality on Wikipedia, there was something with it.
[14:38] <dutchie> popey/bigcalm: did you see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewFrgDPCgGA?
[14:38] <jacobw> actually, that makes much more sense if you swap prime minister with leader
[14:39] <ujjain> Ireland = catholic, Northern Ireland = protestant?
[14:39] <MartijnVdS> You know the German word for "leader" ?
[14:39] <ujjain> Fuhrer :P
[14:39] <ujjain> Führer? :p
[14:39] <brobostigon> ujjain: however some scots are trying to seperate themselves, and eventually become independent.
[14:40] <dutchie> well devolution does complicate things
[14:40] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: we have Frisians doing that :)
[14:40] <jacobw> northern ireland != protestant || catholic
[14:40] <ujjain> Yes, many countries have multiple cultures, e.g. Spain, Italy too.
[14:40] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, like holsteiner.
[14:40] <ujjain> Europe 100 years ago was much simpler.
[14:40] <ujjain> 10 instead of 30 countries.
[14:40] <popey> dutchie: thats awesome
[14:40] <dutchie> i know :)
[14:41] <ujjain> Friesland wil ook geen onafhankelijkheid.
[14:42] <brobostigon> ujjain: i am not familier with the word onafhankelijkheid
[14:42] <ujjain> independence.
[14:42] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it means independence
[14:42] <bigcalm> dutchie: wow and cool!
[14:42] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, thank you.
[14:43] <MartijnVdS> ujjain: not yet.. but if they keep up that language war of theirs... :)
[14:47] <brobostigon> interesting nick, :)
[14:47] <brobostigon> schweizer.
[15:15] <Azelphur> what's a good thing to monitor server and service uptime, nagios?
[15:15] <Azelphur> is nagios open source or is there an open source solution?
[15:17] <Azelphur> ah, it is open source :)
[15:23] <winterweaver> how would I grep for any lines containing the words "Foo" and "bar" ??
[15:24] <dutchie> winterweaver: grep 'Foo.*bar|bar.*Foo'?
[15:24] <dutchie> erm, i think you might need brackets
[15:24] <Azelphur> Anyone familiar with nagios?
[15:25] <winterweaver> ah ok thx dutchie
[15:26] <Azelphur> the ubuntu guide for nagios is a bit crap :(
[15:33] <ali1234> wow, you gotta love dwarf fortress players
[15:33] <ali1234> http://kmkeen.com/df2ttf/
[15:34] <ali1234> they said bitmap font to ttf conversion was impossible, but no
[15:34] <ali1234> this guy figured it out
[15:36] <Azelphur> ali1234: you happen to know anything about nagios? :p
[15:36] <ali1234> i know what it does
[15:36] <ali1234> that's about it
[15:36] <Azelphur> blast :p
[15:36] <jacobw> ali1234 knows something about everything :)
[15:37] <Azelphur> indeed he does
[15:37] <ali1234> heh, didn't i tell you to use it ages ago, instead of rolling your own scripts?
[15:38] <Azelphur> yea, but my own scripts where for different things
[15:38] <Azelphur> I actually want to do service monitoring now
[15:41] <thingy> Azelphur: Nagios is a pain to configure...have you considered alternatives? Zenoss community download --> http://community.zenoss.org/community/download
[15:42] <Azelphur> thingy: cool, I'm happy to try that too :)
[15:42] <Azelphur> thingy: there's no android app for zenoss, any way to work around that? :p
[15:42] <Azelphur> maybe XMPP notifications when things go wrong
[15:44] <brobostigon> lol's at ballmer on bbc click, spencer interviewing ballmer, and ballmer carefully avoiding answering properly, like a carefully scripted politician.
[15:45] <Azelphur> thingy: ?
[15:45] <thingy> Azelphur: I was just googling to see if they had any notification methods other than email. I don't actually use Zenoss but did play around with Nagios (and gave up)
[15:46] <Azelphur> lol >.<
[15:46] <Azelphur> I'm getting tempted to just roll my own
[15:46] <Azelphur> not difficult to check if a port is up in python and push a notification via XMPP
[15:47] <thingy> Azelphur: looks like it only support e-mail and pagers
[15:47] <Azelphur> hehe
[15:47] <Azelphur> email is slow/unreliable and I don't want to pay for pagers :p
[15:50] <thingy> z
[15:50] <thingy> Azelphur: ah this looks promising for you: http://community.zenoss.org/docs/DOC-3496
[15:51] <Azelphur> I see
[15:52] <Azelphur> I'm definitely not liking nagios, I just went to their documentation and they havn't updated it since Ubuntu 6.04
[15:52] <Azelphur> rather, 6.10
[16:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Working with the Ubuntu Messaging Menu - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2011/01/16/working-with-the-ubuntu-messaging-menu
[16:17] <cps> Hello :)
[16:21] <cps> ergh
[16:21] <cps> looks like installing SLiM was a bad idea haha
[16:22] <cps> I installed it on my ubuntu desktop last night thinking it would be a nicer alternative to gdm, but when I try to boot it up it stays on the boot splash
[16:23] <cps> I tried leaving it for 10 minutes to see if it would boot up in the end but it still hangs
[16:23] <cps> :s
[16:30] <cps> hey supercosmonaut :)
[16:30] <brobostigon> afternoonings cps :)
[16:31] <cps> afternoon brobostigon :) how's you?
[16:33] <brobostigon> cps: my eczema is calming alittle, my back andhip still hurt. looking forward to a driving lesson tmrw. how about you?
[16:34] <cps> I'm alright, trying to get my pc to boot up though lol
[16:34] <brobostigon> cps: can i be of anyhelp?
[16:35] <cps> well, I installed SLiM thinking it would be a nicer alternative to gdm however when I try booting it up it just stays on the boot splash. I would enter the recovery console if I knew how to
[16:35] <penguin42> brobostigon: You also have lousy eczema?  Sucks doesn't it...
[16:35] <cps> I'm on maverick btw
[16:36] <brobostigon> penguin42: very, it is so unpredictable sometimes, but with the immuno-suppressants it does take the worst edge of it.
[16:36] <brobostigon> off*
[16:36] <penguin42> brobostigon: Ah I've not tried the immunosuppressants - I probably should
[16:38] <brobostigon> penguin42: i was one of the first people that they tried that treatment on, 5 years ago, because of the severity of my eczema. and as a treatment,its quite rare, and you need to be so careful with it.
[16:39] <cps> does anyone know how to get into the recovery console on maverick?
[16:39] <cps> if there is one, of course
[16:39] <brobostigon> cps: you should have a recovery mode option within grub.
[16:40] <cps> I can't get into grub for some reason though. pressing esc is the usual way isn't it?
[16:41] <brobostigon> cps: that varies, not sure.
[16:41] <Darael> Shift for grub2... I think.
[16:41] <Darael> To be held.
[16:41] <cps> oh...
[16:41] <DJones> Left shift from memory
[16:41]  * cps does a cold boot
[16:41] <DJones> I don't think right shift does anything
[16:42] <penguin42> brobostigon: I guess they don't know the long term stuff; but there again the eczema itself and the infections that go with it can't do any good long term
[16:42] <cps> thanks DJones
[16:42]  * cps goes into the recovery console
[16:43] <brobostigon> penguin42: the infections wont be good, very true, i get a bad skin infection maybe twice or so a year.
[16:44] <penguin42> brobostigon: Nod, I've been on erythromycin for ~15 years and still get stuff
[16:45] <brobostigon> penguin42: wow, not good. but yes, you will do.
[16:47] <cps> right, that's slim removed using the recovery console, how do I make ubuntu use gdm again?
[16:47] <brobostigon> cps: install it with apt. nd it will automaticllysetitselfup.
[16:47] <cps> cheers brobostigon
[16:47] <cps> :)
[16:48] <brobostigon> :)
[16:48] <brobostigon> atleast,should do.
[16:48] <DJones> brobostigon: Has somebody pinched your space bar?
[16:49] <brobostigon> DJones: it canbe temptramental sometimes if i dont hit it right,
[16:49] <DJones> Heh
[16:50] <brobostigon> tempramental*
[16:52] <brobostigon> i amliking this new feature in gnome-shell, i canreply to messages from empathy, directly from the notifications bar.
[16:55] <cps> strange, for some reason I can't get back into the recovery console
[16:56] <cps> I do boot into recovery mode but when I press any of the arrow keys it resumes normal boot :s
[17:01] <cps> hmm
[17:04] <MattJ> Azelphur: service monitoring with Android integration? :)
[17:04] <Azelphur> MattJ: indeed
[17:04] <MattJ> That's a long-term goal of mine
[17:04] <Azelphur> :D
[17:05] <cps> ohai Azelphur, ain't seen you for a while :P
[17:05] <MattJ> Azelphur: I have much of it done, except the Android client (at the moment I have a rough console and web client)
[17:05] <Azelphur> hi :)
[17:05] <Azelphur> MattJ: :)
[17:06] <cps> why won't ubuntu let me back into the recovery console :(
[17:08] <penguin42> cps: What did you do to it?
[17:10] <cps> penguin42: I don't know *shrug*
[17:33] <AlanBell>  evening all
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> \o
[17:33] <brobostigon> evening AlanBell :)
[17:34] <dutchie> hi AlanBell
[17:34] <dutchie> how's belgium?
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/guide/belgium.shtml
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> "It's Belgium, man"
[17:36] <brobostigon> VL'Hurgs, :)
[17:36] <dutchie> haha MartijnVdS
[17:37] <dutchie> why is mutt not moving read emails like it's supposed to? :(
[17:37] <brobostigon> isnt the language in hitchhikers brilliant, :)
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it is :)
[17:37] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[17:40] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: my other two favorites are the game http://www.starshiptitanic.com/ and the book ohthe same name.
[17:40] <AlanBell> belgium is kind of flat
[17:41] <AlanBell> but it has power and networking so I am OK with that
[17:41] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: try the Netherlands, it's even flatter
[17:41] <AlanBell> it is
[17:41] <AlanBell> I like Amsterdam
[17:42]  * MartijnVdS works there :)
[17:43]  * AlanBell proposes a loco weekend in Amsterdam
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> venue might be hard to find
[17:43] <cps> hmm
[17:43] <cps> SIGABRT, I don't get the purpose of that
[17:44] <cps> all wikipedia tells me that it kills a process
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> cps: it aborts a process :)
[17:44] <cps> MartijnVdS: yes but what is its purpose?
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> cps: a program can use it to exit "somewhat cleanly"  if it detects an error by calling the abort() function
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> cps: it'll then send itself a SIGABRT
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> cps: or when it uses assert() to assert some input/value it's working with is valid
[17:45] <cps> oh
[17:46] <cps> hmm, can't reinstall gdm on my ubuntu desktop without an internet connection
[17:47] <cps> evening chrisccoulson :)
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> hi cps
[18:00] <cps> laggy internet :\
[18:15] <cps> hmm, no choice but to reinstall :\
[18:17] <cps> w00t!
[18:18]  * cps loves the power of ctrl+alt+f1 ;)
[18:21] <daubers> nom nom nom ice cream
[18:21] <cps> daubers: nomnom
[18:22] <cps> gdm reinstalled :)
[18:24]  * DJones heats daubers room so he has a milk shake rather than ice cream
[18:24]  * cps slaps DJones
[18:25]  * exobuzz still has an empty cone
[18:26]  * brobostigon is allowed, because of his dairy allergy.
[18:26] <brobostigon> isnt* :(
[18:26] <cps> brobostigon: :\
[18:28]  * AlanBell has beer
[18:28]  * DJones has a roast dinner
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> Real Belgian beer?
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: a lambic, perhaps?
[18:29] <AlanBell> jupiler
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> Ah, mass-produced beer :)
[18:30] <cps> Miller Genuine Draft \o/
[18:31] <AlanBell> cold and wet is sufficient for me to approve right now
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> but you're in a country of beer lovers :)
[18:31] <brobostigon> pink-floyd'athon part 2.
[18:31] <cps> MartijnVdS: Would said country be Germany or Belgium?
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> cps: Belgium :)
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> cps: but tbh, Germany, Belgium and England are all known as beer-loving countries :)
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> (and the Netherlands, being in the middle, profits :P)
[18:32] <cps> :P
[18:32] <cps> in Scotland it's nothing but buckfast for the neds
[18:33]  * cps hates wandering the streets of glasgow alone
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> cps: Scotland has their Whiskys
[18:33]  * brobostigon lends cps his bat'leth
[18:33] <cps> Of course, whisky is very popular up here :)
[18:33] <DJones> Speaking of cold wet beer's, this is a scary idea http://bgood.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/guinness_black_lager.jpg
[18:33] <brobostigon> welsh whisky is nice aswell, :)
[18:33] <cps> brobostigon: sending me on a mission to kill?
[18:34] <cps> but who is your target though? D:
[18:34] <brobostigon> cps: to protect yourself from glasgow,
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> The Welsh ;)
[18:34] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :(
[18:35]  * brobostigon rocks out.
[18:35]  * MartijnVdS pokes around cdrdao/wodim
[18:36]  * cps finds wales rather boring tbh
[18:36] <cps> the only place I find interesting is llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
[18:36] <cps> just because of its long name
[18:36] <Azelphur> I've been there
[18:37] <cps> Azelphur: Llanfairpwll? :P
[18:37] <brobostigon> mydad can pronounce that place's name.
[18:37]  * DJones to
[18:37] <brobostigon> i cant, :(
[18:38]  * brobostigon wonders if DJones has any welsh blood ?
[18:39]  * AlanBell wonders what a fillet of sandra is
[18:39] <cps> AlanBell: lolwut
[18:39] <AlanBell> I just ordered one as a starter
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: what's the French/Dutch name for it? :)
[18:40] <DJones> brobostigon: Suposedly some generations back my great great ... great..great grandfather was station mast in in llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch but could just be a family legend
[18:40] <brobostigon> DJones: interesting.
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> DJones: that's back then there were 3 people in Wales.. and they're everyones great..great etc. ;)
[18:41]  * brobostigon finds shine on you crazy diamond, rather sad a song.
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> it is
[18:41] <DJones> MartijnVdS: And one of those 3 was a sheep :)
[18:41] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: iagree, but it always seems to reallyhitme.
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> DJones: of course, it being Wales and all
[18:43] <brobostigon> no making fun of the welsh, at this point please.
[18:44] <cps> the welsh are awesome people tbh
[18:45] <cps> ;-)
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> Doctor Who - BBC Wales - :)
[18:45]  * cps has a hot chocolate :)
[18:45] <cps> cadbury highlights
[18:47] <brobostigon> i wish i was at a lady friend of mine, so i could play drums to this.
[18:52] <hamitron> o/
[19:00] <Guest8715> hello
[19:00] <hamitron> hi
[19:01] <Guest8715> i need help
[19:01] <Guest8715> plz
[19:01] <hamitron> what is the problem?
[19:01] <AlanBell> sandra is a fish
[19:01] <Guest8715> what is the best torrent client in linux
[19:01] <Guest8715> ?
[19:01] <hamitron> leave poor sandra alone :/
[19:02] <hamitron> that depends what you are looking for in a torrent client
[19:02] <brobostigon> personally i like transmission, as i could get it working on haiku and beos.
[19:02] <Guest8715> ??????
[19:02] <Guest8715> i use vuze
[19:02] <Guest8715> but i dont like it
[19:02] <DJones> !torrent
[19:02] <Guest8715> i used to use utorrent
[19:02] <nperry> !info awesome
[19:02] <Guest8715> when using windows
[19:03] <Guest8715> i need smthin like u torrent
[19:03] <DJones> Guest8715: As brobostigon said, its what suits you, but hopefully thelink fromthe bot will give you an idea of which ones to try
[19:04] <Guest8715> i tried many programs
[19:04] <Guest8715> vuze is good but with 1 problem
[19:04] <Guest8715> no autoshutdown
[19:05] <Guest8715> and kind of slow
[19:06] <Guest8715> ?
[19:07] <DJones> I use transmission, it does everything i need, never bothered looking at anything else
[19:07] <popey> ditto
[19:08]  * hamitron likes aria2, but he doesn't do much torrenting
[19:08]  * czajkowski hugs popey you rock 
[19:08] <popey> i like the web interface to transmission
[19:08] <popey> :) czajkowski
[19:08] <Guest8715> ummmmm
[19:08] <Guest8715> how to install bittorrent
[19:08] <Guest8715> in ubuntu
[19:08] <Guest8715> ?
[19:09] <popey> sudo apt-get install bittorrent
[19:09] <popey> !software
[19:09] <hamitron> I'd encourage you to just try them all and see :) suppose utorrent also works on wine, but not a great option that
[19:09] <popey> Guest8715: see that link
[19:09] <popey> i also like rtorrent for a command line tool
[19:10]  * hamitron is reading about rtorrent now
[19:10] <hamitron> looks kinda cool
[19:10] <Guest8715> i am just a beginner ( command line is a nightmare)
[19:11] <davisc> Hang on, Ubuntu has a bittorrent client built in doesn't it?
[19:11] <davisc> Transmission?
[19:11] <Wolflfd> yes
[19:11] <popey> yes
[19:11] <Guest8715> ummmm
[19:11] <Guest8715> first thing i did when i installed ubuntu
[19:11] <davisc> Guest8715: Applications -> Internet -> Transmissions Bittorrent Client
[19:12] <Guest8715> removing it and replacing it with vuze
[19:12] <popey> or just double click a .torrent file :)
[19:12] <hamitron> could the speed be down to network setup (port forwarding)?
[19:13] <Guest8715> dont know but when i use vuze torrent speed is perfect
[19:13]  * popey shrugs
[19:13] <popey> I get full speed in transmission
[19:13] <Guest8715> when i use other program it just remain 0 KBsec
[19:13]  * davisc should have read up first
[19:13] <popey> Guest8715: try them all and use the one you like
[19:13] <popey> \o/ choice
[19:14] <Guest8715> ok
[19:15] <Guest8715> thnx
[19:15] <Guest8715> all
[19:16] <Guest8715> i will try transmission
[19:16] <Guest8715> last question :)
[19:17] <popey> feel free to keep the questions coming :)
[19:17] <Guest8715> how to configure laptop shortcut keys
[19:17] <Guest8715> thnx
[19:17] <Guest8715> @ popey thnx
[19:17] <popey> System -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[19:18] <Guest8715> i cant find this keys
[19:18] <Guest8715> i have hp G62
[19:18]  * brobostigon is using gnome-shell and cant remember the menu layout for progs, :(
[19:18] <Guest8715> keyboard has buttons that open mail multimedia ..... etc
[19:19] <Guest8715> also there is a button for wireless
[19:19] <Guest8715> ?
[19:19] <brobostigon> there mustbe something on help.ubuntu.com/community ,
[19:19] <popey> brobostigon: hmm?
[19:20] <brobostigon> for my eeepc there is a specific  package to enable those buttons.
[19:20] <brobostigon> i cant remember.
[19:20] <Guest8715> i have lenovo S10e
[19:21] <Guest8715> and i lost some short cuts ssincce i installed ubuntu
[19:21] <popey> such as?
[19:21] <Guest8715> wireless
[19:21] <Guest8715> bluetooth
[19:21] <brobostigon> something like http://packages.debian.org/sid/eeepc-acpi-scripts maybe,
[19:22] <popey> brobostigon: those are specific to that machine
[19:22] <brobostigon> popey: yes, as i said, something similer.
[19:22] <Guest8715> when i was using windows xp >>>i press Fn+F5
[19:23] <Guest8715> to activate a window that allow me to activate either wireless or bluetooth or both
[19:24] <popey> yeah, my toshiba is the same
[19:24] <popey> but it works
[19:24] <Garzooka> am I ment to be here?
[19:25] <popey> dunno, are you?
[19:25] <brobostigon> Garzooka: iamm sure youwould only comeby choice, :)
[19:26] <Guest8715> i will try to post it as a question in linuxquestion
[19:26] <Garzooka> yes I came by choice
[19:27] <Guest8715> @popey thanx------it was nice to chat with u
[19:28] <Garzooka> sorry ti
[19:29] <Garzooka> sorry to bother you guys but is this nick good?
[19:29] <Garzooka> or am I in the wrong place
[19:29] <brobostigon> Garzooka: its good, :) like mine. :)
[19:30] <popey> its fine
[19:30] <Garzooka> thanks :)
[19:31] <popey> However, if you know you're not meant to be here, then you probably should leave.
[19:31] <piedro> hi
[19:31] <brobostigon> moin piedro
[19:31] <Garzooka> I am not sure wether I am ment to be here or not, thats why I asked
[19:31] <popey> heh
[19:32] <popey> Garzooka: have you been here before? Is this new to you? :)
[19:32] <Garzooka> IRC is a new thing for mw
[19:32] <Garzooka> me
[19:32] <popey> cool, welcome
[19:32] <popey> you use Ubuntu I take it?
[19:32] <brobostigon> welcome Garzooka :)
[19:33]  * brobostigon gets Garzooka a welcome drink
[19:33] <Garzooka> in some cases yeah its 50/50 chance because I don't know what pc has what on it
[19:34] <Garzooka> and the
[19:34] <popey> :)
[19:35] <Garzooka> is it possible for you guys to "go easy on me" because I am new here
[19:36] <popey> sure
[19:36] <brobostigon> always,
[19:36] <popey> we usually do :)
[19:36] <brobostigon> yeah :)
[19:37] <Garzooka> I only said that because I was on YouTube and I saw some IRC arguments with some nicks in here which I am not going to mention
[19:38] <popey> youtube is a whole different animal
[19:39] <Garzooka> I guess so, my friend
[19:40] <popey> however it appears you're actually Phineas / Ferb / Waffle
[19:40] <popey> so everything I said goes out the window
[19:41] <daubers> Why was Phineas / Ferb / Waffle banned to start with?
[19:42] <popey> being a dick?
[19:42] <daubers> Ah, I see
[19:44]  * hamitron sighs
[19:45] <Myrtti> fun
[19:50] <gord> i want to be mad at ebuyer for delivering my product next day even though i paid for delivery on monday thus causing me to walk down to the post office tomorrow to pick up my stuff, but its hard to feel justified there
[19:50] <gord> damn you excellent customer service *shakes fist at sky*
[19:51] <Myrtti> I had similar experience with another shop
[19:52]  * brobostigon also shakes fist at o2 website. for not showing his balences and data allowances.
[19:52] <Myrtti> they promised delivery in 1-2 weeks for an eye-fi card, it came in there days - bf was in Berlin for two weeks and package was returned to sender
[19:53] <brobostigon> its playing up, and timing out,
[19:53] <Myrtti> three days, even
[19:54]  * brobostigon shakes his fist again at o2's vat changes.
[19:54] <gord> i just hate having to walk all the way down to the post office and then come back with a big box :( normally i can get redelivery but because this is through parcel force not royal mail i have to pick it up
[19:54] <hamitron> :/
[19:54] <Myrtti> got it eventually, then after setting it up for my sister on Christmas turns out her camera is so old the card isn't supported
[19:54]  * hamitron is tempted to go mad at ebuyer and buy stuff ;)
[19:55] <gord> ebuyer is the greatest, it really is
[19:55] <popey> :)
[19:55] <hamitron> I buy most my stuff from there
[19:55] <popey> they are very nice people
[19:55] <hamitron> I never spoken to them
[19:56] <hamitron> just 2 faulty orders, and quick msg solved it :/
[19:56] <brobostigon> perfect when i was living in sheffield, and being a few miles from their warehouse.
[19:56] <hamitron> I will stop thinking about ordering now, or I will have an i7 before the end of the month...
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: they'd just walk over on their lunch breaks? :)
[19:57] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: "Here's your stuff"
[19:57] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: well, that never happened, :(
[19:59] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: would have been amazing customer service though, :)
[20:01] <gord> oh to be a nerd in their warehouse *dreams*
[20:02]  * brobostigon has geeky dreams like that.
[20:05] <directhex> ebuyer's warehouse isn't much of a nerd fantasy
[20:05] <directhex> they're more of a bulk seller than a really nerdy seller
[20:06] <directhex> could i get a level 10 from there?
[20:07] <directhex> nein. i could get six hundred duplicates of the same midrange laptop though
[20:08] <ali1234> whuts a level 10?
[20:10] <directhex> ali1234, a fantabulously insane pc case
[20:10] <directhex> ali1234, a nerd objet d'art
[20:11] <directhex> ali1234, http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/wp-content/uploads/thermaltake-level-10-concept.jpg
[20:11] <directhex> you either love it or hate it!
[20:11] <brobostigon> oh,wow. interesrting,
[20:12] <directhex> brobostigon, shame about the £600+ price
[20:12] <ali1234> it looks nice but i wouldn't buy it. i bet it's way over-priced...
[20:12] <brobostigon> directhex: ouch, yes, :(
[20:12] <ali1234> my whole computer cost less than that
[20:13] <directhex> mine didn't. but my cpu and gpu were both over £200 each. and my motherboard, come to think of it
[20:13] <directhex> if i won the lottery, i would build a gaming room on my new luxury mansion, with four amazing gaming pcs. and i would use the level 10 as my case of choice
[20:14] <brobostigon> interesting, :)
[20:14] <hamitron> :)
[20:15] <AlanBell> directhex http://www.atomchip.com/id2.html
[20:15] <brobostigon> i imagined once having several multi-monitor linux workstations,
[20:15] <hamitron> I'm still not sure wtf is wrong with my comp :/
[20:16] <ali1234> AlanBell: is that one of those VC-trolling scam websites?
[20:16] <AlanBell> something like that
[20:16] <AlanBell> it has been going a while
[20:17] <rww> directhex: wow, that looks nice
[20:18] <hamitron> not my kinda thing :)
[20:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Evening. R U There then?
[20:18] <AlanBell>  yup
[20:19] <AlanBell> just finnished my crepes
[20:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Good journey?
[20:19] <AlanBell> not bad
[20:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Am off to watch the snooker then zen. NN all.
[20:22] <hamitron> nn TOS
[20:23] <AlanBell>  adverts on the bbc website just feels wrong!
[20:41] <directhex> AlanBell, i like to buy things that exist more than don't exist
[20:42] <Oli``> AlanBell: adverts? where?
[20:43] <Pendulum> Oli``: I think if you access from outside the UK
[20:43] <Oli``> Pendulum: oh right
[20:43] <Pendulum> what always throws me off about the adverts is that they're regionalised. So I see adverts for things that are very American on the BBC
[20:43] <AlanBell>  directhex but there are patents and everything, must be good!
[20:44] <AlanBell> hi pendulum
[20:44] <Pendulum> hi AlanBell
[20:45] <directhex> AlanBell, don't make me beat you with my patented stick
[20:45] <AlanBell> lol
[20:46] <rww> To be fair, that patent included the novel idea of reproducing the stick in plastic *facepalm*
[20:52] <AlanBell> I expect it is a stick that does managed beatings
[20:56] <MichealH> Hey all :)
[20:59] <popey> evening all
[21:01] <marxjohnson> hello hello
[21:01] <popey> What ho marxjohnson !
[21:02] <marxjohnson> what ho indeed!
[21:02] <MichealH> Hi popey :)
[21:02] <popey> hullo bobobex !
[21:06] <MichealH> Hi SuperBoy
[21:06] <MichealH> Uhh Tabfail
[21:06] <MichealH> Hi supercosmonaut
[21:15] <landstalker> using svn, can you update to a specific revision? I've just checked out revision 3760 for example, and the latest is 3800, I'm tracking a bug and working through them you see
[21:15] <bigcalm> svn -r ###
[21:15] <bigcalm> svn up -r ###
[21:16] <landstalker> irritating bug thats made me question my whole set of scripts and waste hours being non-productive :)
[21:16] <landstalker> thanks, will try that
[21:17] <landstalker> will that work to downgrade it too?
[21:18] <landstalker> it appears not, no problem :)
[21:20]  * dutchie hugs git bisect for that sort of thing
[21:22] <landstalker> just realised I can go up in twos, doh
[21:23]  * brobostigon returns with takaway curry.
[21:30] <landstalker> bug found, although it might not be a bug
[21:31] <brobostigon> elaborate landstalker
[21:32] <landstalker> well, automake files to automake in this program, it only happened recently but the comment from the programmer is:
[21:32] <landstalker> "Change of boost macros - please make sure you favourite configuration still works"
[21:32] <landstalker> well, my favourite configuration doesn't work :)
[21:33] <landstalker> I've emailed the support list anywho
[21:33] <landstalker> and the guy that submitted that code, I've worked with, so I should hear something back :)
[21:36] <landstalker> hmmm, I'm doing something wrong here
[21:36] <landstalker> trying to replace line that starts BINDIR={something changeable} with BINDIR=/opt/moses/moses-scripts
[21:36] <landstalker> tried this
[21:36] <landstalker> sed "s/\(^BINDIR=\)\(..*$\)/\1${BINDIR=/opt/moses/moses-scripts}/" Makefile
[21:52] <ujjain> Is George Galloway respected in the UK?
[21:52] <landstalker> not really
[21:53] <landstalker> he thinks he is a Cat
[21:53] <MonsterKiller> is there a way to view incomming connections on ubuntu server?
[21:53] <brobostigon> http://www.jamesmolloy.co.uk/tutorial_html/index.html
[21:53] <landstalker> netstat?
[21:53] <brobostigon> Roll your own toy UNIX-clone OS
[21:53] <ujjain> netstat -an works on both linux and windows? :p
[21:54] <ujjain> landstalker: ah ok, tnx :)
[22:19] <brobostigon> noswaith dda ttm / cps
[22:19] <cps> noswaith dda brobostigon :)
[22:20]  * cps looks over his railway tickets
[22:20] <brobostigon> cps: anything interesting to lookforward to?
[22:21] <cps> brobostigon, going down to preston with a few mates on the 22nd
[22:21] <brobostigon> cps: preston, ah,
[22:22] <brobostigon> cps: i am always finding train enhusiasts here in banbury.
[22:22] <cps> brobostigon, http://www.youtube.com/user/midlandspotters
[22:22] <cps> he used to live in banbury I believe :)
[22:23] <brobostigon> cps: ah,
[22:23] <brobostigon> lots of banbury,
[22:23]  * cps is displeased that he has to pay a subscription fee to use ubuntu one on his android phone
[22:24] <brobostigon> :(
[22:25] <cps> hmm, I expect zsa zsa gabor to kick the bucket some time this year
[22:26]  * cps signs his t-mobile top-up card
[22:27] <brobostigon> cps: ihave probebly seen the man, i suspect, at some point.
[22:42] <bduncan> hey guys. i'm trying to use the natty alpha in kvm, but for some reason it doesn't get past "Freeing initrd memory...". Any ideas?
[22:42] <brobostigon> bduncan: i would suggest sking in #ubuntu+1
[22:43] <brobostigon> asking*
[22:43] <bduncan> cool, thanks
[22:43] <bduncan> i thought there was someone in here using the alpha recently, just thought i'd check
[22:43] <brobostigon> bduncan: they specialise, so it might be more productive,
[22:46] <cps> omnomnom
[22:46] <bduncan> k, i'll try to be a bit more specific when asking there :)
[22:46] <cps> syrup sponge pudding
[22:47]  * hamitron wants
[22:47] <cps> MINE!!
[22:47] <cps> ;)
[22:47] <hamitron> :/
[22:47] <cps> ;>
[22:47]  * brobostigon does a Dr Who, jelly babies,
[22:48] <hamitron> will have to make do with coffee and choc orange then
[22:48] <cps> I used to like choc oranges, don't know what put me off them :\
[22:48] <hamitron> 3 at once maybe?
[22:48] <hamitron> ;)
[22:48] <brobostigon> bduncan: people here use the development version aswell, however they sspecilise there for the development version,
[22:48] <cps> go away :P
[22:49] <cps> ergh, every sweet thing I eat makes me have the urge to drink milk lol
[22:49] <hamitron> that sounds overly rich for me :/
[22:50] <hamitron> white coffee and no sugar just resets the taste buds for more sweet stuff
[22:50] <cps> of course :\
[22:52] <bduncan> brobostigon: i got it to go. noapic, nolapic, acpi=off, nomodeset... one of those did it :P
[22:52] <brobostigon> bduncan: nos da, :)
[22:55] <cps> gonna reboot, brb
[23:01]  * cps returns and says "noswaith dda" to brobostigon and gang :)
[23:01] <brobostigon> cps: good night, or good evening ?
[23:01] <cps> brobostigon, good evening :p
[23:02] <brobostigon> cps: noswaith dda, then.
[23:02] <brobostigon>  :)
[23:03] <cps> :)
[23:04]  * cps throws marshmallows at Azelphur 
[23:05] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[23:05] <cps> o/
[23:06] <brobostigon> nos da ttm/cps :)
[23:06] <bigcalm> With jQuery: how can I find out what the offset is for left and right hand edges of the view port if the browser has been scrolled horizontally?
[23:06] <cps> brobostigon, nos da :)
[23:07] <brobostigon> cps: :)
[23:09] <lazarus_> hey
[23:10] <cps> hey lazarus_
[23:11] <lazarus_> cps: hey
[23:21] <Azelphur> How do I listen for traffic on a port with netcat?
[23:21] <Azelphur> and just have it print it
[23:23] <AlanBell> netcat -l 3000
[23:23] <AlanBell> then you can telnet localhost 3000 to talk to yourself
[23:23] <Azelphur> AlanBell, on a specific ip too? :)
[23:25] <AlanBell> erm netcat -l hostname port I think
[23:25] <AlanBell> man netcat
[23:25] <hamitron> yeh Azelphur, rtfm ;)
[23:26] <hamitron> turn into a lazy user like me if you are not careful
[23:26] <Azelphur> AlanBell, that's got it :)
[23:26] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:27] <Azelphur> I think my server is being DDoS'g
[23:27] <hamitron> :\
[23:27] <hamitron> the game server?
[23:27] <Azelphur> hamitron, yea
[23:27] <hamitron> :(
[23:42] <cps> zzzz
[23:42] <cps> tired but can't be bothered going to sleep lol
[23:43] <mgdm> 'lo Se	
[23:44] <cps> hey mgdm :)
[23:45] <Seeker`> o/
[23:45] <cps> o/
[23:45] <ADO> Hi, can anyone help me install Ubuntu 10.10 netbook on my eeepc please?
[23:46] <mgdm> Hi cps :)
[23:46] <cps> how're you?
[23:46] <mgdm> lagged
[23:47] <cps> lol
[23:47]  * cps fiddles about with compiz