[00:57] <ScottL> ailo, later this week i will probably try it, but the time that i have available i'm still trying to suss out the gnome-classic xsession problem
[00:58] <ailo> ScottL: No problem. You seem to have a lot on your hands. 
[00:59] <ailo> So, what is not working for you ScottL? No one else can help you?
[01:06] <ScottL> ailo, after a ubuntustudio install from the image (not "upgrading" from vanilla ubuntu) the default xsession is unity, which does not work
[01:07] <ScottL> ailo, i had found a mechanism to set gnome-classic (not unity) as default and keep it as default
[01:07] <ScottL> but i haven't been able to get it to work, but i am currently testing it against a vanilla install "upgraded" with ubuntustudio packages
[01:07] <ScottL> and i think this is part of the problem because it includes the unity packages
[01:08] <ailo> ScottL: I noticed Ubuntu-Desktop is to be uninstalled now. It won't now, but I suppose it will later. I guess something is not ready, but maybe that does not affect your work?
[01:08] <ScottL> so i'm going test this in xubuntu, which does not include any unity packages, to see the mechanism at work
[01:09] <ailo> Maybe the mechanism is outdated?
[01:09] <ScottL> ailo, where did you notice that Ubuntu-Desktop is to be uninstalled?
[01:09] <ailo> Update-manager
[01:09] <ScottL> ailo, no, this is currently what xubuntu, edubuntu, and UNE are using...i got it from didirock who helped them set it up
[01:09] <ailo> It can't perform partial upgrade, because Ubuntu-Desktop is to be uninstalled, but is blacklisted against that
[01:10] <ScottL> ailo, i even checked their code today in launchpad
[01:10] <ailo> Perhaps on Monday, when people come back to work
[01:10] <ScottL> ailo, ah, i understand now about Ubuntu-Desktop
[01:10] <ScottL> ailo, i heard that they are also switching some unity parts around, something about 3d vs 2d perhaps?, and this might be part of it *shrug* not sure though
[01:11] <ScottL> ailo, yes, i'm hoping didirocks will be available on monday, but i would like to have some experience with xubuntu and see that it work because
[01:11] <ailo> Unity seems far from finished. Since it's a Ubuntu project you can really see it growing during the process.
[01:11] <ScottL> i can't even get the commands to work for me using CLI without all the if-then logic
[01:12] <ScottL> so if it is working in xubuntu but not for me from a vanilla ubuntu install then it probably has something to do with my install choice
[01:12] <ScottL> i might even try to install the ubuntustudio-* meta packages and then rebuild -settings to see if it works
[01:13] <ailo> If you say so :)
[04:54] <ScottL> !version
[22:14] <paultag> hey, sorry I was away, I went skiing :)
[22:14] <paultag> ScottL: did your package get sorted?
[22:14] <paultag> ailo: How's the script?
[22:15] <ailo> paultag: I continued to work on it as a startupt script, using zenity and zend-notifu
[22:15] <paultag> ailo: great!!
[22:15] <ailo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/554449/
[22:16] <ailo> It need some work, of course and I had some problems putting in the actual "actions"
[22:16] <paultag> ailo: it looks great so far, we just need to make sure it will run headless :)
[22:17] <ailo> gksudo -A "command" would give me a popup
[22:17] <paultag> ailo: I see a few issues right off - the sudo calls need to change to gksudo :)
[22:17] <paultag> ah
[22:17] <ailo> But it will only work like this, if it's run int the terminal
[22:19] <paultag> ailo: it's an issue for people who have sudo prompt on every command :(
[22:19] <paultag> I've set a machine up like that before, I was security nuts for a while
[22:20] <ailo> :)
[22:20] <paultag> ailo: all in all, kickass work so far
[22:20] <paultag> that shows a ton of man-hours so far
[22:20] <ailo> So, I need to check some conditions first, and then run the commands as a list of variables
[22:21] <paultag> :)
[22:22] <ailo> I will need to add some kind of progress window too, but it seems zenity covers most of it
[22:26] <ailo> I was about to start learning how to code python gtk apps, but abogani had already tipped me about zenity, only it took me a while to realize how much you could to with it
[22:26] <ailo> Really saves some time
[22:27] <paultag> :)
[22:27] <paultag> zenity rocks
[23:05] <ScottL> paultag, skiing sounds awesome, but i can't get my end to work, even running the command in CLI didn't set the default xsession to gnome :(
[23:05] <ScottL> paultag, i'm hoping to talk to didirocks tomorrow and see if he can point me in a better direction
[23:06] <paultag> sure
[23:06] <ScottL> paultag, also i talked to the.muso yesterday about possibly helping me find the right direction, hopefully i find the answer before then but he'll be a failsafe for me if everything else falls through
[23:07] <paultag> BRB
[23:14] <ScottL> paultag, i talked yesterday also the a few people with xubuntu because i was questioning if it commands i got from didirocks actually worked since i was having trouble with them
[23:14] <ScottL> it appears like they stuff works, but they have a file (session.sh) that we dont' have start also run startxfce
[23:15] <paultag> ScottL: no need, you can use /etc/xdg/autostart to run that stuff
[23:16] <paultag> ScottL: post-boot stuff, right?
[23:16] <paultag> erm, login *
[23:16] <ScottL> charlie-tca thought my problems might even arise because i was starting with vanilla ubuntu
[23:17] <ScottL> paultag,  i'm not sure if it's post boot or not
[23:17] <ScottL> paultag, if you are installing from the ISO it should behave different, i believe, then if you install the ubuntustudio-default-settings package
[23:17] <ScottL> ontop of ubuntu
[23:17] <ScottL> in the later i expect it to be post-boot
[23:17] <paultag> ScottL: I'll check it out when I get back to Ohio -- I'm in way flux right now -- is there a bug you can hit me on?
[23:18] <ScottL> uno momento, por favor
[23:18] <paultag> sure sure
[23:19] <ScottL> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-default-settings/+bug/702712
[23:20] <paultag> ScottL: thanks, dude. I'll get on that as soon as I can. Poke the bug if I don't get back to you -- I have a nasty habbit of forgetting
[23:21] <ScottL> paultag, oh sure, i've also been poking around on #ubuntu-kernel to see if i can find out why the ubuntustudio kernel from the ISO keeps panicking during installation
[23:21] <ScottL> or at least see if it's happening to others on the alternate still ( i believe it still is)
[23:22] <ScottL> because i would really, really like to try to fix the xsessions bug in an actual ubuntustudio install :|
[23:24] <paultag> ScottL: :)