| phononlogger | oh | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| phononlogger | I am all good at it | 00:00 |
| phononlogger | as long as I do not need to push it | 00:00 |
| phononlogger | I always mess up the pushing | 00:00 |
| phononlogger | JontheEchidna: what state are you from again? | 00:00 |
| JontheEchidna | I got the path to libqapt messed up for when it was in playground :< | 00:00 |
| JontheEchidna | I specified playground/sysadmin instead of playground/libs | 00:00 |
| JontheEchidna | I had run the svn-all-fast-export thingy but it only went back to kdereview | 00:01 |
| JontheEchidna | now I have to go and have that thing run through all 1,000,000 commits again | 00:01 |
| JontheEchidna | I already have 3 fans :) http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?action=content&content=137507 | 00:08 |
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| jjesse | DarkwingDuck how did you doc weekend go? | 03:31 |
| DarkwingDuck | It went... | 03:31 |
| DarkwingDuck | slow | 03:31 |
| DarkwingDuck | but im not working | 03:31 |
| DarkwingDuck | soooo | 03:31 |
| DarkwingDuck | this week will be nice | 03:31 |
| jjesse | yay | 03:33 |
| jjesse | any fun commits? | 03:33 |
| DarkwingDuck | Not yet. I'm finishing things off with 10.10 before I jump into 11.04 but, I think I'm going to switch gears into 11.04 | 03:38 |
| DarkwingDuck | Then finish up 10.10 once we know that 11.04 if finished. | 03:39 |
| jjesse | what do you mean by finish up 10.10? | 03:40 |
| DarkwingDuck | 10.10 never got updated. | 03:42 |
| DarkwingDuck | Gimme about 30... finishing up a LoCo meeting | 03:42 |
| jjesse | i'll be in bed by 30 | 03:43 |
| jjesse | the problem with updating the documents is that translations need to get updated as well | 03:43 |
| DarkwingDuck | Yeah | 03:45 |
| DarkwingDuck | Only reason I'm worried about it is because it is our LTS | 03:45 |
| jjesse | ? | 03:45 |
| DarkwingDuck | and if any docs should get backported it should be the LTS release. | 03:45 |
| jjesse | umm 10.04 was lts | 03:46 |
| DarkwingDuck | .me blinks | 03:46 |
| DarkwingDuck | Nevermind then. | 03:46 |
| DarkwingDuck | See? | 03:46 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'm all messed up. | 03:46 |
| DarkwingDuck | 11.04 takes priority | 03:47 |
| jjesse | ok | 03:56 |
| CIA-39 | [sysadmin] jmthomas * 1214966 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ Muon has moved to git (https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/muon/) | 05:35 |
| CIA-39 | [sysadmin] jmthomas * 1214967 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (. README) Add a note saying where Muon has moved to | 05:36 |
| JontheEchidna | LibQApt's conversion still has 900,000 commits to go, so I'll have to get to that in the morning | 05:36 |
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| steveire | milian: Real men build their own Qts :) | 08:25 |
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| afiestas | In 11.04 after the appmenu-qt package being installed, should "Global menu" be working? | 10:25 |
| shadeslayer | sigh | 11:24 |
| shadeslayer | My ISP implemented a 'fair usage' policy | 11:24 |
| shadeslayer | time to change ISP's | 11:24 |
| KRF | hey, how can i find out the configure flags used for the libqt-core4 package? | 14:24 |
| Riddell | afiestas: it'll also need new libdbusmenu-qt | 14:29 |
| Riddell | if it doesn't work after that, poke agateau | 14:30 |
| afiestas | agateau: pingt | 14:32 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 14:33 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: emacs doesnt work properly if you telnet from a windows machine into a Red Hat server :P | 14:33 |
| shadeslayer | and my phone now runs a kernel newer than my current desktop install o_o | 14:34 |
| davmor2 | shadeslayer: I think you end that sentence after properly to be honest ;) | 14:34 |
| shadeslayer | davmor2: i dont follow :P | 14:35 |
| shadeslayer | which one? | 14:35 |
| davmor2 | shadeslayer: emacs doesnt work properly if you telnet from a windows machine into a Red Hat server :P | 14:35 |
| shadeslayer | the emacs one? | 14:35 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 14:36 |
| shadeslayer | heh :D | 14:36 |
| shadeslayer | i had to use vi .... and i had *no* knowledge of vi | 14:36 |
| agateau | afiestas: pongt | 14:41 |
| Riddell | KRF: look at the build logs usource:qt4-x11 | 14:43 |
| KRF | Riddell: thank you | 14:48 |
| ScottK | Quintasan_: What's next on SIP? | 15:02 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: i think he gave up :P | 15:16 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: i <3 emacs | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | i just started to use it properly | 15:17 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: I just did a python3-defaults upload for him yesterday, so I hope not. | 15:17 |
| shadeslayer | ih | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 15:24 |
| CIA-39 | [sysadmin] jmthomas * 1215080 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/ Remove LibQApt from svn. It has move to KDE's Git repos. | 15:26 |
| afiestas | agateau: dbusmenuqt is not working here (11.04) | 15:28 |
| CIA-39 | [sysadmin] jmthomas * 1215081 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/ (. README) Leave a README for the LibQApt move to KDE Git. | 15:28 |
| afiestas | I think I got everything, appmenu-qt, plasmoid and lib | 15:28 |
| agateau | afiestas: sorry I am about to start a conf call | 15:28 |
| JontheEchidna | afiestas: same here :( | 15:28 |
| agateau | afiestas: will ping you back | 15:28 |
| afiestas | ookiz | 15:28 |
| JontheEchidna | (same here == global menu not working, not about conf call :) | 15:30 |
| JontheEchidna | Hah, I got an email from kde-apps notifiying me about a comment I posted to my app's page :P | 15:30 |
| shadeslayer | we should have something like this http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/why-use-ubuntu | 15:39 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 15:39 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Get to work on it then. | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: trying to learn emacs and Model/View in Qt first :P | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: wrote this along with Riddell tho http://piratepad.net/kubuntucreate | 15:43 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: OK. phononlogger should probably review it. | 15:45 |
| shadeslayer | phononlogger: ^^ | 15:45 |
| davmor2 | shadeslayer: nano ftw ;) | 15:49 |
| shadeslayer | davmor2: lol ... i thought so too until about a hour ago | 15:50 |
| CIA-39 | jmthomas * 1215086 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/ Remove the LibQApt stable branch from svn. LibQApt has moved to KDE's Git repository | 15:50 |
| shadeslayer | davmor2: http://www.vimeo.com/1013263 | 15:50 |
| JontheEchidna | davmor2: I got this bug report filed against me :P bug 490506 | 15:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 490506 in kubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Kubuntu Developers shouldnt be using nano" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/490506 | 15:50 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 15:50 |
| CIA-39 | jmthomas * 1215088 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/ (. README) Add a note detailing LibQApt's move from svn to KDE's Git | 15:52 |
| davmor2 | kate ftw! | 15:52 |
| Quintasan_ | Why doesnt KDE has this by default? | 15:53 |
| Quintasan_ | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Quick+Usb+Formatter?content=137493 | 15:53 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Congratulations. | 15:58 |
| ScottK | Quintasan_: Ping re SIP. How goes it? | 15:58 |
| afiestas | Quintasan_: I was planning on doing something like that | 15:58 |
| afiestas | in fact, I already have some code | 15:58 |
| Quintasan_ | ScottK: I think I'm stuck unless POX thinks of something | 15:59 |
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| ScottK | Quintasan: What's the issue? | 15:59 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: -dbg package is still empty and some damn files from ./usr/lib/python3.1 still land in python3.1 | 15:59 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: We install them via install-arch-3.% rule but they still somehow land in python-sip | 16:00 |
| ScottK | Quintasan: OK. Well that last bit definitely sounds like POX's thing to work on. | 16:00 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: I meant then land in python-sip instead of python3-sip | 16:00 |
| ScottK | Right. | 16:00 |
| ScottK | For now could you just move them over in debian/rules? | 16:01 |
| Quintasan | To be honest, I never saw anything packaged so badly | 16:01 |
| Quintasan | It has install files in debian/ while I never saw any stuff apart from debian/rules being installed | 16:01 |
| ScottK | Would it be easier to start fresh? | 16:01 |
| ScottK | Does dh_install get called? | 16:02 |
| Quintasan | http://paste.ubuntu.com/555119/ | 16:02 |
| Quintasan | I don't really get it | 16:02 |
| Quintasan | $(MAKE) -C dbg-build-3.$* install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/python3-sip-dbg | 16:03 |
| Quintasan | makes sense | 16:03 |
| Quintasan | but dbg stuff still lands in python-sip-dbg | 16:03 |
| Quintasan | ScottK: I'll do my homework and then try doing it | 16:05 |
| ScottK | Thanks | 16:12 |
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| ScottK | Quintasan: Do you have a verbose build log? | 16:17 |
| agateau | afiestas: conf call is done | 16:35 |
| JontheEchidna | agateau: I'm not afiestas, but I can confirm what he is saying about how the dbusmenu is broken in 11.04 w/ the latest updates | 16:54 |
| agateau | JontheEchidna: can you be more precise? is it the appmenu? the systray menus? | 16:54 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, globalmenus | 16:54 |
| agateau | JontheEchidna: I am confident this is because plasma-widget-menubar 0.1.14 has not been packaged yet | 16:57 |
| JontheEchidna | everything's been updated, and I've done a complete reboot since then, but the apps are not seeing the menubar and still have the menubar in their windows | 16:57 |
| agateau | Riddell: ^^ | 16:57 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, if that's all I could even do that | 16:57 |
| agateau | JontheEchidna: give it a try | 16:57 |
| JontheEchidna | will do | 16:57 |
| * agateau starts dist-upgrading his natty vm, but that will take a while | 16:58 | |
| afiestas | agateau: whereI can grab the code ? | 17:00 |
| JontheEchidna | afiestas: http://launchpad.net/plasma-widget-menubar/trunk/0.1.14/+download/plasma-widget-menubar-0.1.14.tar.bz2 | 17:00 |
| agateau | ah, JontheEchidna is much faster than me :) | 17:00 |
| JontheEchidna | I already had the page open :) | 17:00 |
| NCommander | ScottK: thanks | 17:04 |
| agateau | have to go, keep me posted if it is still broken | 17:04 |
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| afiestas | agateau: working like a charm now | 17:21 |
| afiestas | good idea using json to transport the menu | 17:21 |
| JontheEchidna | I've uploaded 0.1.14 to natty | 17:28 |
| Riddell | thanks JontheEchidna | 17:28 |
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| yofel | o/ | 17:57 |
| Riddell | evening yofel | 17:57 |
| JontheEchidna | I was wondering when they'd finally rename this library: http://i.imgur.com/rLGj7.png | 18:29 |
| JontheEchidna | libwebkit was a bit arrogant, imo | 18:30 |
| shadeslayer | JontheEchidna: nice ! :) | 18:51 |
| ximion | shadeslayer: Is there an Anjuta-rebuild in progress? (Due to the libwebkit -> libwebkitgtk transition it's broken...) | 18:59 |
| shadeslayer | ximion: no idea :( | 18:59 |
| ximion | who should I ask? | 19:00 |
| yofel | ask in #ubuntu-devel rather I think, or file a bug | 19:00 |
| shadeslayer | ximion: #ubuntu-motu? | 19:00 |
| ximion | filing a bug seems sane - I wonder why nobody noticed that... (nobody uses Anjuta *g*) | 19:01 |
| ximion | bug 703996 already exists :) | 19:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 703996 in anjuta (Ubuntu) "anjuta: impossible to install - unsolved dependency" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703996 | 19:04 |
| ximion | JontheEchidna: hi :) | 19:06 |
| JontheEchidna | ximion: hello | 19:07 |
| ximion | JontheEchidna: You're the author of QApt and Muon, right? | 19:07 |
| JontheEchidna | ximion: yep | 19:07 |
| ximion | JontheEchidna: Would it - just theoretically - be possible to replace the QApt daemon with the PackageKit daemon? If not, why? | 19:08 |
| JontheEchidna | you mean for the installation bits? | 19:09 |
| ximion | yes, I mean just for all the stuff which needs superuser rights (installations etc.) - everything which invokes the daemon. | 19:09 |
| JontheEchidna | it would take a bit of work to change over to the PackageKit DBus api, but I suppose it would be possible in theory | 19:10 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't see why you'd want to make one package management library depend on another thoguh | 19:10 |
| ximion | JontheEchidna: PK is an abstraction framework for package management (you knew that :P) I maintain PK in Debian and I'm contributor to it. We had this idea once to unify all the APTDaemon, PackagKit and QApt-Daemon stuff in just one library. | 19:13 |
| JontheEchidna | I would not mind a single daemon to do such things. | 19:13 |
| ximion | so, if you have PK frontends (Apper/GPK) Muon and several other package management tools running, you just get one daemon started, with an excellent implementation of APT | 19:14 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't want to use APTDaemon's, though, because then I'd have to have LibQApt depend on python-apt. Basically what I'm saying is that I would want the worker to use libapt-pkg directly | 19:15 |
| ximion | PK and its backend bases on C/C++ (I'm also a bit antipathetic to this Python stuff) | 19:16 |
| ximion | I thought you developed QApt-Daemon because the PK API was insufficient or something... | 19:16 |
| JontheEchidna | That was before it supported debconf at all. That was a major factor, but I also don't like how it has to fetch info over dbus to browse packages | 19:17 |
| JontheEchidna | APT is very fast because it has a binary package cache it maps to memory | 19:17 |
| ximion | our suggestion is only to send actions which need to be queued or need root access over dbus to PK | 19:18 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, none of these complaints are with the installation API | 19:19 |
| ximion | so we can perform fast searches by using APT directly and also get the full range of PK benefits. | 19:19 |
| JontheEchidna | But doesn't the entire backend run as the daemon? | 19:19 |
| ximion | the search API is extremely slow, cause you always have to reopen the cache... but since pk is transaction-based, it's an issue which cannot be solved, unfortunately. | 19:20 |
| ximion | the packagekit daemon loads the backend, which is a shared library. | 19:20 |
| ximion | so its application -> pk-daemon(apt) not app -> pk-daemon -> apt-daemon | 19:21 |
| ximion | if I got this right :P | 19:21 |
| JontheEchidna | so it's like this? application ->pk-daemon -> aptcc library -> dpkg | 19:22 |
| ximion | yep | 19:22 |
| ximion | btw: the apt backend will be dropped next time and aptcc will become the new apt backend (and will be extended to support some "missing" features) | 19:22 |
| JontheEchidna | that's a lot of what I don't like about PackageKit. Since it has to accomodate every packaging system ever, the abstraction layer makes it hard to integrate well with the system you want | 19:23 |
| JontheEchidna | for example, the search API has to be generalized, so you don't get to make use of APT's memory-mapped package cache effectively | 19:24 |
| JontheEchidna | I think it would be good to have a unified installation API, but I have serious doubts about the "read-only" bits of the API | 19:25 |
| ximion | that's why we don't want to use PK for "power tools" in Debian. | 19:25 |
| JontheEchidna | and why I made Muon :) | 19:25 |
| ximion | you might want to join #packagekit and ask hughsie for API changes - of there's a good reason for it and other backends support the feature too, he normally agrees to change the stuff. | 19:26 |
| ximion | I always tried to persuade dantti to make a _separate_ UI for the application installer instead of merging it into the KPackageKit main window... | 19:28 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah. that | 19:28 |
| JontheEchidna | that's always been my biggest peeve with the Ubuntu Software Center too | 19:28 |
| JontheEchidna | they're trying to make it a replacement for both Synaptic and Gnome App Install | 19:29 |
| JontheEchidna | when you can suit both groups of users so much better if there are two GUIs | 19:29 |
| ximion | the Muon Software Center looks great, while Apper is neither a power-user tool nor a full user-centric tool. (But I use Apper, since I'm a PK enthusiast and it covers all daily-life user-cases) | 19:29 |
| ximion | unfortunately dantti persuaded hughsie to do the same for GNOME, I don't know with which argument.. need to ask him next time ^^ | 19:30 |
| JontheEchidna | hehe | 19:30 |
| ximion | there are a few debian-related pk issues left: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=packagekit | 19:34 |
| ximion | but the'll all be solved with a better APT backend. | 19:34 |
| ximion | btw: what I mentioned is no fixed strategy, just an idea by two apt developers, dantti and me. | 19:35 |
| ximion | so it might change completely :P | 19:35 |
| ximion | (but I don't think so, cause it could be a sane solution to have the global package manager and Debian/Ubuntu comfort at the same time) | 19:36 |
| JontheEchidna | well I'm for a global daemon for admin-needing actions just as long as it doesn't add any new dependencies past the daemon itself | 19:36 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, I've been meaning to mention this to dantti since I saw it affected aptcc too: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/repository/revisions/ef91f217549785af15c38c558d38eb42cbdc8e56 | 19:38 |
| ximion | it does not. pk is very lighweight, just sqlite, dbus, glib | 19:39 |
| JontheEchidna | why does it need sqlite? O_o | 19:39 |
| ximion | excellent question! eh... don't know exactly, but pk has a feature to freeze transactions when a laptop goes standby or has low battery. then it saves transactions in a sqlite db. | 19:41 |
| ximion | (but I did not take a closer look at this yet) | 19:41 |
| ximion | http://packages.debian.org/sid/packagekit | 19:41 |
| ximion | (pinned a mark to ask dantti if he git that patch) | 19:42 |
| JontheEchidna | I would think that apt/dpkg really wouldn't support that... I have muon inhibit suspension during commits | 19:42 |
| JontheEchidna | because once you are committing, you really can't stop it | 19:42 |
| ximion | need to ask hughsie about this stuff... stumbled upon the code while hacking PkTransaction and the helper stuff for Debconf and Listaller support, I just guessed what it does. | 19:43 |
| ximion | (but I think someone said this some time ago) | 19:44 |
| * ximion is away to fetch some food :) | 19:44 | |
| * ximion is back | 20:04 | |
| JontheEchidna | I find comments like these funny: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/?content=137507 | 20:43 |
| JontheEchidna | He wouldn't be complaining if there was just a single muon package that was 2 MiB big :P | 20:43 |
| debfx | JontheEchidna: he probably just wants to motivate you to package muon for debian ;) | 21:17 |
| JontheEchidna | ;) | 21:17 |
| JontheEchidna | Actually I think somebody has packages on mentors.d.o | 21:17 |
| JontheEchidna | I'd like to maintain debian packages, but I don't really have the resources to run a separate debian box | 21:18 |
| Daskreech | JontheEchidna: 2mb is Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge | 21:20 |
| Daskreech | Mostly cause it's a gateway drug :) | 21:20 |
| ulysses | JontheEchidna: the Muon 1.2 translations will be imported to KDE SVN for translation, right? so it doesn't neccessary to checkout the git branch | 21:25 |
| JontheEchidna | ulysses: it's still using the standard kde infastructure | 21:25 |
| JontheEchidna | just what's been in l10n-trunk will be moving to l10n-stable, and l10n-trunk will change as strings change in git | 21:26 |
| ulysses | doesnt't make sense now, Hungarian is on of the complete translations^^ | 21:27 |
| phononlogger | shadeslayer: that priatepad has all funky colors | 21:59 |
| phononlogger | good text though | 21:59 |
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