[02:40] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, i think I found why libindicate isn't working.. i'll eventually (whenever, being now, tomorrow, never :P) need your help in what to do to fix
[02:45] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, if you could make some time for me tomorrow that'd be great :)
[03:20] <chrisccoulson> heh, more gdbus breakage?
[03:20] <TheMuso> Hey chrisccoulson. I see you are still up...
[03:21] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso - yeah, i'm not tired yet. it's 3am here, but i'm still on dallas time ;)
[03:21] <chrisccoulson> how was your journey?
[03:21] <TheMuso> Uneventful, which is great.
[03:21] <chrisccoulson> that's good :)
[03:21] <TheMuso> I am not feeling tired at all, landed this morning, and am currently sitting on the couch watching tennis on TV whilst doing some light work on my notebook.
[03:22] <chrisccoulson> i felt pretty tired after the flight, but that's worn off now
[03:22] <chrisccoulson> i should try and get some sleep in a bit
[03:22] <TheMuso> heh I know what you mean.
[03:23] <chrisccoulson> i've been quite productive this evening though, i'm trying to figure out what has broken with the appmenu since friday
[03:23] <TheMuso> Yeah I saw the bugs you filed.
[03:24] <TheMuso> I managed to get completely unpacked within the first hour or so of being home.
[03:24] <TheMuso> ...and am now rebuilding packages for the webkit transition.
[03:24] <chrisccoulson> nice! i haven't unpacked yet ;)
[03:24] <chrisccoulson> i'm really bad with unpacking. i end up just doing it gradually through the week, or when jo starts yelling at me ;)
[03:25] <TheMuso> lol
[03:25] <TheMuso> I unpack aSAP so I can get my laundry done.
[03:28] <bcurtiswx_> guys get any snow where u were in Dallas ?
[03:28] <bcurtiswx_> i know it snowed in Texas.. wasn't sure about Dallas
[03:31] <TheMuso> bcurtiswx_: I think there was only snow at night, and then only light.
[03:32] <bcurtiswx_> you got to see a rarity then..
[03:32] <TheMuso> Heh I didn't see it personally.
[03:32] <bcurtiswx_> alrightie, nite all.
[03:32] <TheMuso> Only going from what I heard from others./
[09:24] <pitti> Good morning
[09:26] <TheMuso> Hey pitti. How were your travels?
[09:26]  * TheMuso is not far from bed, after getting in this morning.
[09:27] <TheMuso> Felt fine for most of the day, but am feeling it now, and have been for an hour or so.
[09:29] <pitti> TheMuso: pretty ok; my first business class flight, that was quite an experience :)
[09:30] <pitti> TheMuso: but getting up at 6 this morning didn't quite help (I went to Prague)
[09:31] <christhecoolboy> hey all...
[09:32] <TheMuso> pitti: yeah I am aware.
[09:32] <TheMuso> Well hopefully your week is productive.
[09:32] <TheMuso> ...ad I'm outa here, need to get to bed, feeling very tired now.
[09:32] <pitti> TheMuso: sleep well!
[09:32] <christhecoolboy> I have an idea for an application that would be part of ubuntu
[09:36] <rodrigo_> morning
[09:36] <christhecoolboy> morning
[09:44] <didrocks> good morning
[09:46] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[09:46] <pitti> ca va?
[09:47] <christhecoolboy> pitti, not a lot of us speak french without a translator, thats what I am doing now...
[09:47] <christhecoolboy> oops
[09:47] <christhecoolboy> pas beaucoup de nous parler le français sans un traducteur, c'est ce que je fais maintenant ...
[09:47] <christhecoolboy> ^:)
[09:48] <pitti> erm - what?
[09:48] <pitti> christhecoolboy: above was about all French I can do :)
[09:48] <christhecoolboy> oh...
[09:48] <christhecoolboy> I thought you were french lol
[09:48] <pitti> je suis Alemagne
[09:49] <didrocks> hello pitti! I'm fine, thanks! And you? :)
[09:49] <pitti> (whichs is probably totally wrong French)
[09:49] <pitti> didrocks: pretty well, thanks; hope the jetlag won't kill me yet, so far I'm holding up well
[09:50] <christhecoolboy> pitti, one thing you should always be careful of after jetlag
[09:50] <christhecoolboy> crossing the road
[09:50] <didrocks> pitti: hehe, I finally took a small nap yesterday. It seems to don't prevent me having a long night this time :)
[09:53] <rodrigo_> hi didrocks, pitti
[09:53] <pitti> hey rodrigo_
[09:54] <rodrigo_> back home safely and recovered from the trip to Dallas?
[09:54] <christhecoolboy> Dallas, isnt that part of texas?
[09:55] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti!
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> how are you? did you have a good trip back?
[09:56] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_! Not yet totally recovered, but the flight back were almost all in time and I didn't have to run that much to catch them all :)
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks
[09:56] <rodrigo_> didrocks, cool :)
[09:56] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson! How are you?
[09:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I'm great, thanks, what about you? yes, it was great (my first business class ride)
[09:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I could actually sleep
[09:56] <christhecoolboy> I have an idea for an application that would be part of ubuntu
[09:56] <rodrigo_> pitti, business class??
[09:56] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i'm not too bad thanks, and you?
[09:57] <pitti> rodrigo_: after 5 years I finally collected enough bonus miles :)
[09:57] <chrisccoulson> pitti - nice! i made the mistake of sleeping yesterday afternoon, and then i couldn't sleep until 5am this morning ;)
[09:57] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: still a little tired, but fine, thanks!
[09:57] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, I forced myself to stay awake until ten, so I slept from 10 to 6
[09:57] <rodrigo_> pitti, oh, cool
[09:57] <pitti> chrisccoulson: you can take a day off (swap day from travelling)
[09:58] <chrisccoulson> pitti - oh, i didn't realise that ;)
[09:58] <christhecoolboy> pitti, your lucky, If I went to bed at 10PM, I wouldnt be up till about 11AM or Midday! :D
[09:58] <pitti> christhecoolboy: heh; normally I always sleep for about 8 hours, but jetlagged days are always strange
[09:59] <christhecoolboy> I sleep for 12... :D
[10:00] <geser> what's the preferred fix for bug 703230? should the preinst check if it's a symlink before it "rm" it?
[10:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703230 in pango1.0 (Ubuntu) ""rm: cannot remove `/usr/share/doc/libpango1.0-0': Is a directory" when updating to 1.28.3-4 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703230
[10:00] <christhecoolboy> oh... I have a bug
[10:00] <christhecoolboy> that could easily be fixed
[10:00] <christhecoolboy> that I submitted
[10:00] <christhecoolboy> since I put a codefix with it
[10:02] <christhecoolboy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/703791
[10:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703791 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "snd-hda-intel MCP79 fails to function on default install (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[10:04] <ari-tczew> hello, I'm looking for sponsorship for some branches related to ~ubuntu-desktop.
[10:05] <rodrigo_> brb
[10:06] <christhecoolboy> its annoying
[10:06] <christhecoolboy> I dont know what to do :(
[10:07] <lool> Hmm, some unity packages seem to need a rebuild
[10:07] <lool> Might be http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/libunity0
[10:10] <didrocks> lool: the protocol changed, the places won't be installable or neither will work until a new release of places is done (which is planned for this week or the next one)
[10:11] <lool> didrocks: Ok; thanks a lot!  So can't upgrade unity until that's done?
[10:11] <didrocks> lool: normally, you can with removing the places, can't you?
[10:16] <lool> didrocks: Ok; thanks for the advice
[10:16] <mvo> is tomboy note sync working for anyone in natty ? or is it just me ?
[10:17] <didrocks> was working the week before the sprint, will try again today
[10:18] <chrisccoulson> does it rely on desktop-couch?
[10:25] <lool> Hmm there seems to be a pretty large webkit transition as well
[10:31] <christhecoolboy> I submitted a bug
[10:31] <christhecoolboy> with a solution
[10:32] <christhecoolboy> I think it could be done pretty easily
[10:37] <rodrigo_> mvo, syncing to u1?
[10:37] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: do you have the bug # handy?
[10:37] <christhecoolboy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/703791
[10:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703791 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "snd-hda-intel MCP79 fails to function on default install (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[10:38] <mvo> rodrigo_: yes
[10:38] <christhecoolboy> didrocks^^ there! :)
[10:39] <rodrigo_> mvo, just worked for me, so are you getting any errors?
[10:40] <mvo> rodrigo_: thanks, I will debug it a bit more then, I just wanted to make sure its not something known or anything
[10:40] <rodrigo_> mvo, run tomboy --debug and if yuou don't know what the problem is, let me know
[10:41] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: is that your cool idea?
[10:41] <christhecoolboy> what cool idea?
[10:42] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: the one you are speaking about (but not developping the idea) on #ayatana or #ubuntu-devel?
[10:42] <christhecoolboy> no
[10:42] <christhecoolboy> thats something different
[10:57] <rodrigo_> hmm, robert_ancell didn't submit the new gtk package
[11:04] <lool> Is this a good time to instally unity-2d from natty or are there still uploads pending?  Should I just install all unity-2d-* packages?
[11:05] <didrocks> lool: not sure if the latest upload removed the places, as libunity is out of sync API-wise. The arm team is doing the packaging
[11:10] <lool> didrocks: Ok; I'll hold a bit then, thanks
[11:27] <apw> christhecoolboy, on bug #703791 what has actually been changed in the alsa-base.conf
[11:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703791 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "snd-hda-intel MCP79 fails to function on default install (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703791
[11:27] <apw> christhecoolboy, and on what release
[11:27] <christhecoolboy> the last line
[11:27] <christhecoolboy> was added
[11:28] <christhecoolboy> and a spelling mistake
[11:28] <christhecoolboy> on the last #line
[11:28] <christhecoolboy> and it says what version
[11:29] <christhecoolboy> and what release
[11:31] <apw> christhecoolboy, you do have a way of making peoples life hard, you could have just told me
[11:31] <christhecoolboy> what do you mean?
[11:32] <christhecoolboy> I was told what I was supposed to give
[11:32] <christhecoolboy> by one of the devs who helped me
[11:34] <christhecoolboy> I was told that I give that information and I shouldnt have to be asked any more information
[11:35] <apw> christhecoolboy, but thats the thing, i have missed that you have the kernel version, from which i could convert to the release, to do the comparison of the two files, but instead of just saying "maverick" you made me look, that took me longer, and saved you no time at all
[11:36] <apw> (and I would say I can convert the kernel version cause I happen to work on it, otherwise i would have had to look it up)
[11:36] <christhecoolboy> I was told to put my kernal and to put my OS as "Ubuntu 10.10 Desktop"
[11:36] <christhecoolboy> I've followed what I was told to do
[11:36] <christhecoolboy> since it was my first time...
[11:37] <apw> yep, and you arn't getting my point, all i am saying is, if someone asks something saying "its in the bug" is not helpful, its technically accurate, but not helpful to me as a person
[11:37] <christhecoolboy> If you want me to check anything
[11:37] <christhecoolboy> I cant
[11:37] <christhecoolboy> after every bug
[11:38] <christhecoolboy> I reformat
[11:39] <christhecoolboy> after I submit the bug
[11:41] <apw> christhecoolboy, ok from a quick scan of the code it is not at all clear why adding =auto would have any effect at all as in theory that should be changing the default from auto to auto ... ie. no effect.  if it is really doing something then there must be a quirk for your specific machine in there somewhere which is wrong ... to work out which we would need the alsa info for the machine ... could you run 'apport-collect 703791'  that should get t
[11:41] <apw> he information needed to figure out which codec you have
[11:42] <christhecoolboy> you need that specific soundcard
[11:43] <christhecoolboy> lemme re-do it all again
[11:46] <christhecoolboy> it means I gotta install ubuntu again
[11:46] <apw> christhecoolboy, i need the sound information yes, if you run apport-collect 703791 it should add the appropriate information
[11:48] <christhecoolboy> collecting
[11:48] <christhecoolboy> I had to reinstall ubuntu :(
[11:49] <apw> seemed to reinstall pretty fast?
[11:49] <christhecoolboy> done
[11:49] <christhecoolboy> I keep a copy on my USB Stick
[11:49] <christhecoolboy> to boot from
[11:49] <christhecoolboy> done
[11:55] <christhecoolboy> apw, does that help you?
[11:56] <apw> ok so there is a specific quirk for that sub-system id, describing the machine as a "MSI Wind Top AE2220"
[11:56] <apw> does that have meaning, is that what your device is?
[11:57] <christhecoolboy> what?
[11:57] <christhecoolboy> my PC is a MSI AE2020-047UK
[11:57] <christhecoolboy> so a AE2020
[11:59] <apw> christhecoolboy, so what specific aspect of sound is broken?
[11:59] <christhecoolboy> I fixed it
[11:59] <christhecoolboy> thats what I changed on the file
[11:59] <christhecoolboy> that I attatched
[12:00] <christhecoolboy> when I first installed ubuntu on it, it had no sound...
[12:00] <apw> christhecoolboy, yep, but the change undoes a quirk for the specific machine which appears to fix digital mics
[12:00] <christhecoolboy> its the only fix I found that lets me have sound
[12:00] <christhecoolboy> and my mic still works?
[12:01] <christhecoolboy> without that line, I wouldnt get any sound at all
[12:05] <christhecoolboy> I tried many lines, even ALC888
[12:06] <christhecoolboy> when I did =auto
[12:06] <christhecoolboy> it worked
[12:06] <apw> well that is turning off a system specific quirk, one which was added specificially for the machine id you have, very strange
[12:07] <christhecoolboy> I just rebooted the machine with no line at all
[12:07] <christhecoolboy> I hear nothing at all
[12:07] <christhecoolboy> I'm gonna put that line back, update kernal and restart
[12:08] <christhecoolboy> you can click on a button
[12:08] <christhecoolboy> and no sound
[12:08] <christhecoolboy> even sound tests
[12:08] <christhecoolboy> including /aplay
[12:08] <christhecoolboy> ok... restarted
[12:08] <christhecoolboy> with that line,
[12:08] <christhecoolboy> apw, as soon as I started it, I heard the ubuntu starting sound
[12:10] <christhecoolboy> apw, read this: http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/post/2664701/&ei=djE0TYGaLoqIhQez5s34Cw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDUQ7gEwAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmsi%2BAE2020%2Bmodel%253Dauto%2Bubuntu%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26prmd%3Divns
[12:10] <christhecoolboy> thats where I found out how to fix it
[12:11] <apw> christhecoolboy, ok i've pulled all the information together in the bug, and updated the title etc, and marked it Triaged
[12:11] <christhecoolboy> what does Triaged mean?
[12:11] <christhecoolboy> I could put another bug
[12:11] <christhecoolboy> if you want
[12:12] <christhecoolboy> I found one when I was testing ubuntu 11.04
[12:12] <apw> christhecoolboy, no that bug is now good.  the Triage bit means it has everything needed to work on
[12:12] <christhecoolboy> yeah, I found another bug
[12:13] <apw> christhecoolboy, heh i am sure there are many, if its something different file a new bug for sure
[12:13] <christhecoolboy> yes
[12:16] <christhecoolboy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/703922
[12:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703922 in unity "Unity Crashes on 11.04 Dev Version (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[12:16] <christhecoolboy> there...
[12:16] <christhecoolboy> I cant give any more info, apw, sorry
[12:16] <christhecoolboy> I dont use 11.04 any more
[12:16] <christhecoolboy> but I thought I'd submit it
[12:17] <apw> christhecoolboy, i suspect that one was sorted out end of last week
[12:17] <apw> cirtainly its nowhere near as bad today
[12:17] <christhecoolboy> I used it a week ago
[12:17] <christhecoolboy> I only formatted
[12:17] <christhecoolboy> like 4 days ago
[12:19] <christhecoolboy> maybe they updated recently
[12:19] <apw> christhecoolboy, yep, it was utterly broken most of last week, a new upload on friday i think it was made things a lot better
[12:19] <christhecoolboy> it should still be there
[12:19] <christhecoolboy> because it still could happen
[12:21] <mvo> rodrigo_: I get the follow from tomboy (in debug mode): http://paste.ubuntu.com/555046/ - any ideas?
[12:21] <rodrigo_> mvo, hmm, a server problem, I'd say your tokens are invalid on the server
[12:22] <rodrigo_> mvo, can you try with a clean user, to auth again from tomboy?
[12:22] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: which version of unity did you have?
[12:22] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: when getting the crash
[12:22] <rodrigo_> mvo, do it with a separate user, but with your same U1 credentials
[12:22] <christhecoolboy> I dont know
[12:23] <apw> didrocks, i suspect one from before the friday uploads
[12:23] <didrocks> apw: we got an Xid CompWindow error, but that was on latest December upload
[12:24] <didrocks> apw: then, we got the compiz transition last week with an ABI rebuild and old unity + new unity upload on Friday
[12:24] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: in any case, we need more info on next crash than this bug report
[12:25] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: please, if you still have this bug on the latest release, follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnityFilingBugs
[12:25] <didrocks> I'll set it as incomplete for now
[12:25] <christhecoolboy> didrocks, I dont have the OS any more
[12:25] <christhecoolboy> I did say that
[12:25] <christhecoolboy> "<christhecoolboy> I dont use 11.04 any more"
[12:26] <didrocks> christhecoolboy: sorry, but I'm following more than 25 IRC channels. I don't look everywhere everytime…
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> i can't believe how dusty my desk is!
[12:27] <christhecoolboy> Its the reason I stopped using 11.04
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> having not worked at it since the middle of december
[12:27] <chrisccoulson> time to do some cleaning before i dock my laptop on it again
[12:30] <mvo> rodrigo_: right, that was the problem. I revoked my token in login.ubuntu.com (needed to test the handling of revoked tokens in software-center). I will file a bug
[12:30] <rodrigo_> mvo, ok
[12:32] <mvo> rodrigo_: its there already, bug #633355 - I set it to confirmed
[12:32] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 633355 in tomboy (Ubuntu) "Tomboy does not handle denied authorization from Ubuntu SSO (affects: 1) (heat: 24)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633355
[12:35] <mvo> rodrigo_: I set it to medium for now, feel free to adjust
[12:39] <rodrigo_> mvo, ok
[13:13] <christhecoolboy> apw, back, after my bath, :)
[13:38]  * rodrigo_ lunch
[14:06] <didrocks> session restart, brb
[14:16] <cyphermox> good mornin!
[14:22] <didrocks> back
[14:25] <pitti> hey cyphermox
[14:27] <bcurtiswx> Mornin
[14:28] <scott-work> didrocks: you and i spoke a couple of weeks ago about setting the default xsession as gnome-classic vs. unity and used code from UNE and xubuntu
[14:28] <didrocks> scott-work: right, exactly. And I asked you to wait for the refactoring in natty which is uploaded now
[14:28] <didrocks> hey bcurtiswx
[14:29] <bcurtiswx> hey didrocks :)
[14:29] <bcurtiswx> how was Dallas?
[14:30] <didrocks> bcurtiswx: well, it didn't change a lot since UDS more than one year ago :) I was hoping for a warm weather, but it didn't happen :)
[14:30] <didrocks> we even had some snow!
[14:31] <bcurtiswx> didrocks, yeah lucky all of you had a great rare event in Dallas TX
[14:31] <bcurtiswx> Snow..
[14:31] <bcurtiswx> i went to San Antonio a couple years ago... it was supposed to be mid 80's.. no... there was an ice storm
[14:32] <didrocks> waow :)
[14:32] <bcurtiswx> Did everyone get a lot accomplished?
[14:34] <didrocks> unity took a lot of time for me, but yeah, was a nice rally :)
[14:34] <didrocks> @all: what's your take on branch we have in ~ubuntu-desktop and which are in universe?
[14:35] <didrocks> that's preventing people having upload rights to refresh the branch
[14:35] <didrocks> so it makes no sense
[14:35] <didrocks> IIRC, we already removed some of them
[14:35] <didrocks> like anjuta-plugins
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, about the branches we have for packages in universe - i have no strong opinion either way, but i think they create extra work for us having to approve merge requests
[14:48] <chrisccoulson> i'd be happy to just stop using those branches
[14:49] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: agreed
[14:49] <didrocks> and it doesn't make sense at all
[14:49] <didrocks> for instance, we changed the ~ubuntu-team for unity branch to ~ubuntu-desktop so that people having upload rights can upload
[14:49] <didrocks> and update the branch as well
[14:49] <didrocks> so yeah, I'm all for nuking them once after another
[14:50] <chrisccoulson> yeah, sounds like a plan :)
[14:52] <didrocks> let's do that then :)
[15:00] <geser> is unity-2d like unity but without the requirement for working 3d accelaration?
[15:06] <bcurtiswx_> so if I am having issues with libindicate being noticed on the configure (by a bzr bd) but I watch all of the packages get installed that are required.  I believe it's either another package I'm missing or there's somthing wrong with the libindicate patch for empathy.  I've checked the packages and I am fairly sure i have all the right ones.. so im focusing on the libindicate patch
[15:06] <bcurtiswx_> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bcurtiswx/ubuntu/natty/empathy/empathy-2.91.5/view/head:/debian/patches/20_libindicate.patch#L21
[15:06] <bcurtiswx_> those who would be knowledgable in the patch, thats the section that decides whether we have libindicate or not and where i believe the culprit is
[15:06] <bcurtiswx_> sicne i wouldn't know, does that code look OK?
[15:14] <bcurtiswx_> kenvandine, when u get a little bit of time, maybe you'd know ^^
[15:23] <scott-work> didrocks: oh, heh, i didn't remember you asking me to wait and i've been pulling my hair out abit during the last week :P
[15:23] <rodrigo_> bcurtiswx_, he might be off today, since it's martin luther king day today, afaik
[15:23] <didrocks> scott-work: do you need some help? the new session system is there since mid-december
[15:24] <geser> bcurtiswx_: have you the error you get from configure?
[15:24] <scott-work> didrocks: aye, i do
[15:24] <didrocks> scott-work: so, just few words on the system:
[15:25] <didrocks> scott-work: you have session files in /usr/share/xsessions/
[15:25] <scott-work> didrocks: yes, i saw those
[15:25] <didrocks> those are the sessions shown in gdm
[15:25] <scott-work> aye
[15:25] <didrocks> you probably want to start the "gnome-classic.desktop", right?
[15:25] <didrocks> and set it by default
[15:26] <scott-work> didrocks: exactly :)
[15:26] <didrocks> scott-work: so, the conversation we had is still valid in the postinst
[15:26] <didrocks> did you set that?
[15:26] <scott-work> didrocks: i tried yes
[15:27] <scott-work> didrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/554033/
[15:27] <scott-work> didrocks: there is a (or possibly two) small syntaxtic errors there that have been fixed since but that is what i have currently
[15:27] <didrocks> scott-work: why are you using HOME="$tmp_dir
[15:28] <didrocks> oh, it's for panel things
[15:28] <scott-work> didrocks: i was starting with what was already in the ubuntustudio-default-settings
[15:28] <didrocks> ok, I forget about it, seems quite tricky and can have issues with hacked "sudo"
[15:28] <didrocks> but well
[15:29] <scott-work> didrocks: should "/usr/lib/gdm/gdm-set-default-session --keep-old gnome-classic" also work from CLI?
[15:29] <didrocks> it should, yes
[15:29] <didrocks> it doesn't?
[15:29] <scott-work> didrocks:  ah :(  it didn't for me
[15:29] <didrocks> like, what do you have in /etc/gdm/custom.conf ?
[15:30] <scott-work> didrocks: i dont' currently know, i'm at work on a windows machine, but i can look tonight
[15:31] <scott-work> didrocks: but part of the problem also, is that i can't use an ubuntustudio install because the kernel keeps panicking on install, so i'm using a vanilla ubuntu daily to work on
[15:32] <didrocks> scott-work: hum, weird
[15:32] <didrocks> scott-work: so, before launching the command, you should see:
[15:32] <didrocks> [daemon]
[15:32] <didrocks> and almost nothing else in /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[15:32] <didrocks> then, after launching the binary:
[15:32] <didrocks> [daemon]
[15:32] <didrocks> DefaultSession=gnome-classic
[15:34] <scott-work> didrocks: tonight, i will look at /etc/gdm/custom.conf to note the file's content pre and post launching the command
[15:34] <didrocks> scott-work: if you already have a DefaultSession= entry, that's probably something else setting the session before
[15:35] <didrocks> scott-work: and we don't want the user having session switching, hence the --keep-old :)
[15:35] <scott-work> didrocks: that makes sense :)
[15:35] <scott-work> didrocks:  i really appreciate your help on this
[15:36] <didrocks> scott-work: you're really welcome :)
[15:43] <seb128> hey
[15:43] <didrocks> salut seb128 :) bien récupéré?
[15:45] <bcurtiswx_> geser, http://paste.ubuntu.com/555116/
[15:45] <seb128> lut didrocks
[15:45] <seb128> oui, et toi?
[15:45] <bcurtiswx_> hi seb128
[15:45] <seb128> slept from midnight to 11:30
[15:45] <didrocks> seb128: ça va ;)
[15:46] <seb128> then did some unpacking, cleaning, etc
[15:46] <seb128> mvo, hey, thanks for working on the webkit issue!
[15:46] <mvo> seb128: yw
[15:46] <seb128> mvo, had a nice trip back?
[15:47] <mvo> seb128: yeah, uneventful - and for you?
[15:48] <seb128> it went pretty well, they served dinner a bit after leaving
[15:48] <seb128> then I slept for 6 hours
[15:48] <seb128> just woke up twice a few minutes
[15:48] <seb128> then it was breakfast time
[15:48] <seb128> ;-)
[15:48] <pitti> hey seb128, ca va?
[15:48] <seb128> hey pitti!
[15:48] <pitti> mvo: ah, took off today?
[15:48] <pitti> seb128: *wave from Prague*
[15:48] <seb128> pitti, sehr gut danke ;-)
[15:48] <mvo> pitti: tomorrow
[15:48] <pitti> seb128: 6 hours on the plane? that's really good
[15:48] <seb128> pitti, how was your trip back?
[15:49] <pitti> seb128: reeealy good :)
[15:49] <seb128> pitti, indeed, I was quite happy ;-) I think not sleeping a lot on thursday and friday nights and the drinks at the longues helped ;-)
[15:49] <pitti> seb128: they give you everything from an almost-flat bed, real blanket, noise-canceller, up to lip balsam
[15:49] <seb128> seems great ;-)
[15:49] <seb128> don't get used to it :p
[15:50] <pitti> seb128: with mvo's melantonin, the 16 hour fasting-trick, and the nice seat I actually got over the jetlag pretty much instantly
[15:50] <seb128> pitti, how is the prague hacking going?
[15:50] <seb128> nice!
[15:50] <pitti> seb128: "don't get used"> that's not easy!
[15:50] <pitti> seb128: pretty well; we discuss a few generic things, fix stuff up on the go, and everyone can ask questions on problems
[15:50] <pitti> I'm porting s-config-printer now, which is a huge tasks
[15:51] <pitti> and I plan to do a nice GVariant handling in the Glib override; right now it sucks from python, as you have to unpack everything manually
[15:52] <geser> bcurtiswx_: it seems the .pc files you need contain now also a version: try replacing "indicate" with "indicate-0.5" and "indicate-gtk" with "indicate-gtk-0.5" in PKG_CHECK_MODULES
[15:54] <geser> bcurtiswx_: you might also need to check if the API you use has changed
[15:56] <bcurtiswx_> geser, it passed the check :)
[15:57] <bcurtiswx_> geser, would you mind elaborating on how you knew that. im learning how to recognize these things
[16:00] <seb128> bah, my mouse scrollwhell stopped working for some reason
[16:00] <didrocks> seb128: still the synaptics issue?
[16:01] <seb128> I doubt it, it's the usb mouse from my desk
[16:01] <didrocks> oh a real scrollwhell then, I still didn't connect mine
[16:02] <seb128> didrocks, bug #703653 is yours, you said you wanted to work on that right?
[16:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703653 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "Fallback from Unity-GL should use unity-2d if installed (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703653
[16:03] <didrocks> seb128: right, assigning it to me :)
[16:03] <didrocks> already done, thanks :)
[16:03] <seb128> yw
[16:15] <bcurtiswx_> after i quilt edit, then quit the editor after changes are made.. is it only a quilt refresh that I need
[16:16] <bcurtiswx_> I got the message: File src/Makefile.am is already in patch 20_libindicate.patch
[16:16] <bcurtiswx_> which is what i quilt edited.. does that mean it didn't change anything?
[16:19] <seb128> not sure what quilt edit is doing
[16:19] <seb128> but seems a warning you can ignore
[16:21] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, hmm, i thought that may add it to the patch, doesn't seem so.. hmm
[16:25] <seb128> didrocks, is there a bug about the new compiz not displaying what workspace in active in the workspace switcher?
[16:25] <seb128> didrocks, would that be a compiz bug?
[16:26] <geser> bcurtiswx_: your log showed that configure didn't find indicate, so I looked at your patch and compared if the .pc file in libindicate-dev is still named indicate.pc or not (as you passed indicate for checking in your patch)
[16:26] <seb128> it's not
[16:26] <didrocks> seb128: we have ws previews in ws switcher now
[16:26] <seb128> it's indicate-0.5 now
[16:26] <didrocks> seb128: not sure if that can be related to the bug
[16:26] <seb128> didrocks, ok, well that doesn't highlight the selected workspace
[16:27] <didrocks> seb128: I have some hilight there
[16:27] <seb128> you just notice the difference when you have things open
[16:27] <seb128> but on empty ones I don't see the difference
[16:27] <didrocks> no, there is still some hilight, even on empty ws here
[16:27] <geser> seb128: bcurtiswx_ knows it now too, he wanted to know how to find it out by himself the next time
[16:27] <seb128> didrocks, ok, my eyes are not spotting the difference
[16:28] <seb128> it might work better with some wallpapers than others
[16:28] <seb128> geser, ok
[16:28] <didrocks> seb128: maybe can be another bug related to that? It's really clear here…
[16:28] <didrocks> clear enough so that it's not your eyes' bugging :)
[16:29] <bcurtiswx_> geser, OK, where are the .pc files located at ?
[16:30] <seb128> didrocks, hum, ok
[16:33] <rodrigo_> hey seb128
[16:34] <seb128> hello rodrigo_
[16:34] <seb128> how are you?
[16:34] <rodrigo_> seb128, fine, and you? recovered?
[16:35] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[16:35] <seb128> yeah, I had some sleep in the plane and a normal night
[16:35] <rodrigo_> cool
[16:35] <rodrigo_> that's the best thing indeed, to go back to normal times as soon as you land :)
[16:35] <seb128> yeah
[16:36] <rodrigo_> so, how was the sprint?
[16:36] <seb128> great
[16:36] <seb128> how come you didn't go btw?
[16:37] <seb128> you couldn't come or was there a miscommunication on you were not on list or something?
[16:37] <rodrigo_> I had some family visit last week, so jasoncwarner allowed me to not go
[16:37] <rodrigo_> if not, I would have come for sure :-)
[16:37] <seb128> ok, great, I was wondering if we forgot to invite you!
[16:38] <seb128> next time then ;-)
[16:38] <rodrigo_> no, you didn't forget :-)
[16:39] <rodrigo_> so, was there a final decision on the gnome3 stuff?
[16:41] <seb128> yes, keep it in the ppa, I need to email the list about that
[16:41] <bcurtiswx_> seb128, i think thats a good idea as well
[16:43] <bcurtiswx_> way too broken right now
[16:45] <rodrigo_> bcurtiswx_, what's broken for you? I am running it full time, and while not perfect and some apps crash sometimes, it works quite stable for me
[16:46] <rodrigo_> only big thing is the keyring stuff, which I need to find some time to look at, btw
[16:46] <rodrigo_> keyring+ssh-agent thing, I mean
[16:46] <bcurtiswx_> rodrigo_, i guess broken isn't right.. i just think its an incomplete puzzle right now.  Needs more pieces before we should consider it done
[16:47] <rodrigo_> bcurtiswx_, what specifically?
[16:48] <bcurtiswx_> for one, i'm working on empathy... the gnome3 changes to it are great.  Many people are asking for the things it has.. IIRC there's still more apps that aren't built in GNOME3 yet
[16:48] <bcurtiswx_> its not building for me.. has errors with libindicate im working through
[16:50] <rodrigo_> yeah, rebasing patches is the most time consuming thing indeed
[16:50] <rodrigo_> that's an ubuntu patch though, btw
[16:51] <rodrigo_> oh, talking about patches, I have this branch (https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/libcanberra/no-gtk-quit-add/+merge/46463) that fixes a crash in libcanberra
[16:51] <rodrigo_> can anyone have a look at it?
[16:59] <evilvish> anyone know the password for guest session? (from gdm)
[17:00] <evilvish> both blank and 'ubuntu' give auth failures..
[17:00] <pitti> evilvish: there is none really
[17:00] <pitti> evilvish: it's not supposed to have a password
[17:00] <evilvish> yea, thats what i expected..
[17:01] <evilvish> pitti: but from gdm.. if i just hit enter.. it gives auth failure :s
[17:01] <pitti> evilvish: as the guest user is only temporary, it usually doesn't even exist in gdm
[17:02] <evilvish> oh! i get offered guest at gdm.. natty is broken waaay too much i guess .. ;p
[17:03] <pitti> evilvish: can happen if your system crashed while a guest session was running
[17:04] <evilvish> not sure when it crashed last.. maybe.
[17:04] <evilvish> pitti: k.. thx.  :)
[17:10] <bcurtiswx_> in a Makefile.am if im adding things to empathy_chat_SOURCES what does that mean..  if i create an empathy_indicator_SOURCES will it effect things?
[17:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you notice there was a libdbusmenu updated version which failed to build btw?
[17:41] <seb128> chrisccoulson, not sure if the fix there would make a difference for your menu issues though
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - it doesn't look like there's anything in there that would fix it
[17:44] <chrisccoulson> i've pushed a branch with the fixes for one of the issues, but ted isn't around to review it
[17:45] <seb128> ok
[17:45] <seb128> I guess tomorrow
[17:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, where are your fixes btw?
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - one of them is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/indicator-appmenu/lp703769/+merge/46495
[17:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, they don't show up on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/dbusmenu/+activereviews
[17:47] <seb128> oh, it's on the indicator
[17:47] <chrisccoulson> yeah. i guess i should link it to bug 703769
[17:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703769 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Menus are not destroyed when a window is closed with GDbus port (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703769
[17:48] <chrisccoulson> the other bug is bug 703689, but i'm not sure what the problem really is there yet
[17:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 703689 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Window registration racy with GDbus port (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/703689
[17:48] <seb128> ok
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> oh, i think i see what is happening. it's obvious now :)
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> the object is registered asynchronously, but the menu building and window registration is done synchronously
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> so, applications register a window before exposing the menu object. i can see where that happens now
[17:51] <seb128> oh, ok
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> i thought that's what was happening, but i couldn't figure out why it happened
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> i think the only way to fix this reliably is to have a new signal from dbusmenu to tell the application when the menu object is registered
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> then we can do the window registration asynchronously off that signal too
[18:13] <pitti> good night everyone
[18:14] <didrocks> have a good night pitti
[18:14] <bcurtiswx_> nite pitti
[18:23] <geser> bcurtiswx_: in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ in the -dev package, see e.g. http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/i386/libindicate-dev/filelist
[18:23] <bcurtiswx_> geser, thx :)
[18:41] <desrt> hi everyone
[18:41] <desrt> how's natty? :)
[18:42] <desrt> will my life be ruined if i install the alpha?
[18:42] <Amaranth> desrt: if you do it _right_ now you may be alright
[18:44] <ebroder> desrt: if your life would be ruined should natty turn out to be broken, you probably shouldn't install it :)
[18:45] <desrt> dbarth: scrap my plans about maverick :)
[18:45] <desrt> too many new versions of everything are required.  natty time!
[18:47]  * Amaranth has been using natty since the archive opened, only had two days where things were somewhat screwed
[18:47] <Amaranth> Other than transitions happening where I just didn't upgrade things until everything was done
[18:53] <desrt> it's always an interesting choice to decide which machine i want to sacrifice to the new version
[18:53] <desrt> desktop or laptop
[18:53] <geser> both :)
[21:11] <chrisccoulson> dh_girepository is incredibly slow on my machine, what on earth does it do?
[21:17] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: Compute dependencies of gobject introspection packages. The man page has more.
[21:17] <TheMuso> s/of/for/
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso, yeah, i got that bit ;)
[21:17] <chrisccoulson> i was just wondering why it's taking forever to run
[21:17] <TheMuso> Right.
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> it's taking around 2 minutes for every binary package it iterates over here
[21:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: circular deps?
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> so libdbusmenu takes forever to build, and most of the build time is spent running dh_girepository
[21:18] <chrisccoulson> micahg - not sure
[23:37] <robert_ancell> RAOF, is it safe to dist-upgrade yet?
[23:37] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: X packages have not gone into natty yet
[23:37] <RAOF> I haven't done anything which would make that unsafe yet :)
[23:38] <robert_ancell> and the unity stuff?
[23:38] <TheMuso> RAOF: How was yesterda and your trip?
[23:38] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Did you have an uneventful trip back?
[23:38] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, very much so.  Actually I ended up in premium economy so it was nicer than normal
[23:38] <RAOF> My trip was pretty uneventful.  Except that there was a bit more turbulence than usual.
[23:39] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: lucky you.
[23:39] <TheMuso> RAOF: Yeah had a bit myself, but mostly whilst I was sleeping.
[23:41] <RAOF> I had a pretty nice wait in Sydney at the Max Brenner at Wynyard, and got home around 5pm.
[23:41] <RAOF> robert_ancell: How did you wrangle premium economy? :)
[23:42] <robert_ancell> RAOF, when I set my seats online I was placed there, don't know why but didn't ask any questions
[23:42] <RAOF> :)
[23:43] <robert_ancell> RAOF, what were you doing in Wynyard?  Or is there another Wynyard in Tasmania...
[23:43] <RAOF> There is another Wynyard in Tasmania, but I was in the Sydney one.  I had a 6 hour layover in Sydney, so I wandered into the city.