[02:02] <akgraner> nhandler, I'll be working on adding information the next few hours - so feel free to ping me if needed  - also if you have pulled links where did you put them - I am looking at the etherpad and the wiki page right now
[02:03] <nhandler> akgraner: I haven't gotten to it. I got a bit distracted while getting caught up. I can start now though
[02:03]  * nhandler will use the etherpad
[02:03] <akgraner> no worries...
[02:03] <akgraner> want me to just do planet for now
[02:04] <akgraner> we can decide Community news after the other sections are in if you feel like it - also are we going to implement the changes from the survey
[02:04] <akgraner> if you want I can do that as I go through it tonight
[02:05] <nhandler> akgraner: What changes from the survey did we decide to implement?
[02:05] <akgraner> I thought we would be linking to the calendars
[02:05] <nhandler> akgraner: And if you have info for 'In the Press' and/or 'In the Blogosphere' those would be very useful. I have the Planet in my reader, but we had to drop those two sections
[02:06] <akgraner> ahhh
[02:06] <akgraner> ok
[02:06] <akgraner> then you pull the planet stuff
[02:06] <akgraner> and I'll work on the other two sections
[02:07] <akgraner> also people asked that we link to updates instead of including them in the Text email as people said it was too long
[02:07] <akgraner> so it can be on the wiki we just need to link to the updates and security for the email
[02:07] <akgraner> (people are reading on their phones and complain it is too long)
[02:08] <nhandler> akgraner: For the calendar, it might be better to implement that change once fridge.ubuntu.com is live again (since the link will point there). We could then setup the link so it points to an embeded html calendar of the fridge/loco calendars only for that week (instead of the month)
[02:08] <akgraner> sorry I haven't been able to help lately and I don't want to change stuff if you all decided not too - nhandler do you want me to pull the bug and translation stats
[02:09] <akgraner> why can't we do that now - there is a week view - or at least there used to be
[02:09] <nhandler> akgraner: For the security and wiki, I have no objections. If possible, it might be useful to script that (to try and minimize the changes editors need to make by hand for the different versions we publish)
[02:09] <akgraner> we have a script for pulling all those stats
[02:10] <nhandler> akgraner: I don't care much either way (re: calendar), but if it is launching soon, I thought it might be a nice change to go along with the fridge
[02:10] <akgraner> no worries - I'll just get the information in there the rest can be decided late
[02:10] <akgraner> later I mean
[02:10] <akgraner> ahhh
[02:10] <nhandler> akgraner: For the stats, we also had some confusion for the translation stats about what ubuntu version they were meant to be for
[02:10] <akgraner> maverick
[02:10] <akgraner> we don't go to development release until beta
[02:11] <akgraner> so everything is current release until the development release hits beta
[02:11] <nhandler> akgraner: Alright. That should get on the wiki checklist eventually
[02:11] <akgraner> I thought it was on there
[02:11] <akgraner> but no matter
[02:11] <akgraner> working on links now
[02:11] <nhandler> akgraner: It is a bit unclear about switching at beta
[02:14] <akgraner> ok I'll update that
[02:23] <nhandler> I was just thinking, what if we were to get a small little button added to planet.ubuntu.com that allows people to submit news to the Fridge? Do you think that might be useful (if so, I'll run it by the website folks)
[02:27]  * nhandler just pulled some planet links. Time to sort and prune
[02:32] <akgraner> yeah that would be great
[02:32] <akgraner> we could see what people are really interested in as well
[02:33] <CensoredBiscuit> hey all
[02:37] <akgraner> nhandler, I'm adding stuff to sneak peek but will look to see if you have included any of these links in the planet section - I am just adding them there as a place holder as some of them may be on the planet as well
[02:37] <akgraner> if you find links that you would like to include but are finding it is getting too long then just drop the article name and link to it in "sneak peek"
[02:37] <akgraner> CensoredBiscuit, hi
[02:38] <nhandler> akgraner: I thought "sneak peek" was for stuff that will be in the next issue.
[02:38] <akgraner> nope
[02:39] <akgraner> it's for stuff that we couldn't include as a summary
[02:39] <akgraner> so we give them a peek at the story
[02:39] <akgraner> hence stuff that should have been included but could not be for whatever reason
[02:40] <akgraner> nhandler, sorry  - I tried to include all of this in the instructions...
[02:40] <akgraner> but there are some little things that probably aren't there..:-/
[02:40] <nhandler> akgraner: Don't worry, your instructions were very great (that is how we managed to put out a UWN release with 2 people). But that is another area that we could probably clarify a bit more
[02:41] <akgraner> totally agree :-) adding that to my list :-)
[02:44] <nhandler> And just a heads up, I included the Leaving Canonical post mainly because it is about a very old/well known employee and it was very well written (and includes some info on the early days of canonical that many folks probably don't know)
[02:49] <akgraner> nhandler, did you add it to the etherpad?
[02:49] <nhandler> akgraner: Yes
[02:49] <akgraner> cause I don't see it
[02:49] <akgraner> which one are you using the ideas one or UWN one
[02:49] <nhandler> akgraner: I'm working on the http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN-Ideas pad for now (just added titles to the links)
[02:50] <akgraner> ahhh
[02:50] <akgraner> sorry - I'm on http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN
[02:50] <akgraner> :-)
[02:50] <akgraner> DOH!
[02:50]  * akgraner looks
[02:50] <nhandler> I'll move them probably to the wiki once they are sorted
[02:51] <akgraner> nhandler, I'm making notes on the ideas page
[02:51] <akgraner> hope that makes sense to you
[02:52] <nhandler> akgraner: If you have added them already, feel free to remove them from the -ideas pad.
[02:52] <akgraner> k
[02:55] <akgraner> nhandler, if any of these were included on the ubuntu-news.org can you just drop those links into the General Community News Section on the /UWN etherpad
[02:55] <akgraner> please :-)
[02:56] <akgraner> I'll summarize them if that's cool with you
[02:58] <nhandler> akgraner: Anything you can summarize is great. Summary writing is my weak area
[02:59] <akgraner> nhandler, just drop the links into the other etherpad and I'll summarize away :-)
[02:59] <akgraner> then move it all to the wiki once the summaries are in place
[03:00] <akgraner> I planned on summarizing stuff for the next few hours so just worry about dropping the links in and I'll do the rest for ya
[03:00] <akgraner> then if you all can proof it one more time in the am and publish that would rock
[03:01] <nhandler> akgraner: Done with the ubuntu-news links (we have gotten bad at posting there). I'll start doing some summaries. I have tomorrow off (and no homework), so I'll be free to finish anything up and handle the publishing checklist
[03:02] <akgraner> nhandler, great
[03:03] <akgraner> nhandler, where did you post those at
[03:03] <nhandler> akgraner: There were only two links that I added under General Community News on /UWN like you said to
[03:03] <akgraner> I see them now :-) thanks
[03:03] <nhandler> :)
[03:05] <nhandler> akgraner: Another step we had to skip was generating the PDF version of UWN. It wasn't clear how this was meant to be generated (were you just opening up the wiki and printing to a pdf file?). pleia2 also said there were several issues in the existing pdf versions that have been made.
[03:06] <akgraner> oh just got to print view
[03:06] <akgraner> then print to file as pdf
[03:06] <akgraner> :-)
[03:06] <akgraner> I'll add that to the checklist as well
[03:06] <nhandler> akgraner: Alright. We should probably make sure we are using the default wiki theme when we do that
[03:06] <akgraner> I think that was added after the first draft of the checklist was made
[03:07] <akgraner> yep it wasn't available with the last one we used the pdf for
[03:07] <akgraner> :-)
[03:07] <akgraner> or I would have used the default theme.
[03:07] <nhandler> akgraner: I figured :)
[03:08] <nhandler> akgraner: Before I forget, let me just forward an email to you that I sent to pleia2. I know she has a few more things to add, but I want to make sure I get this to you
[03:09] <nhandler> akgraner: Some items in the email have already been addressed
[03:09] <akgraner> k thanks - just got it
[03:09] <akgraner> :-)
[03:29] <nhandler> akgraner: Did you want to group all of the Canonical Sprint video interviews together?
[03:30] <akgraner> yep in General Community news
[03:30] <nhandler> Alright. Then I won't waste time writing up individual summaries :)
[03:30] <akgraner> If you add the links there I'll just write one summary for all of them
[03:30]  * nhandler hugs akgraner 
[03:32] <akgraner> (I <3 summaries)
[03:35] <akgraner> nhandler, I answered the email and CC'd lyz as well - I'll add the information you asked about above re the editor checklist and have that added hopefully before you all publish in the am :-)
[03:35] <pleia2> thanks akgraner :)
[03:36] <akgraner> pleia2, very welcome - I have missed helping with UWN - and hope the last 2.5 months haven't been to frustrating to everyone
[03:37] <akgraner> nhandler, pleia2 I'll format the wiki and get everything ready tonight - etc - can you all proof and publish tomorrow
[03:38] <akgraner> (I have to work or I'd say I would help with it but I know in the am I won't have time)
[03:38] <nhandler> akgraner: Yep. I'll be around most of the day tomorrow
[03:38] <akgraner> great!
[03:38] <akgraner> nhandler, I'll pull from the ideas etherpad and put stuff on the UWN etherpad
[03:39] <nhandler> akgraner: And any objections to the idea of trying out making all of the UWN positions rotating jobs (i.e. people sign up to do the foo section for the first week of each month rather than every single issue)? It might make the tasks seem less intimidating and allow us to get more help
[03:39] <nhandler> akgraner: You rock!
[03:40] <akgraner> andno objection but someone has to know about all the positions and it's hard to get a feel for a section until you do it for a while
[03:40] <akgraner> I thought we were going to bi-weekly publishing
[03:40] <nhandler> akgraner: Yep. My idea was that the rotating publisher for that week would have that duty (and hunt down missing people and/or fill in when needed)
[03:41] <nhandler> akgraner: Yep (but you get the idea)
[03:42] <akgraner> nhandler,  yep I understand, but some people felt comfort in  "this is my section" kinda thing and were more anxious learning new sections all the time
[03:42] <akgraner> but makes no difference to me
[03:42] <akgraner> :-)
[03:42] <nhandler> akgraner: For those people, there is nothing stopping them from signing up to do that one particular section each and every issue.
[03:43] <akgraner> to me it's who ever wants to help with whatever sections they want to an feel comfortable with  - then I'm cool with then just adding what they think needs to go there and the editor just making the final decision if it should be included or not
[03:44] <akgraner> nhandler, yep..
[03:45] <nhandler> akgraner: If you want, I can do a mass format to add the wiki markup
[03:46] <akgraner> adding the format lets me know what still needs to be done and what doesn't
[03:47] <nhandler> akgraner: :)
[03:47] <akgraner> it's a check and balance for me
[03:47] <akgraner> and ensures that each line is looked over - but if you are comfortable doing it that way then that's fine
[03:58] <akgraner> nhandler, the funny thing about Scott's post, I interviewed him about Upstart and reported his leaving a week before this post
[03:58] <akgraner> Does no one read the news on Linux Pro online ;-p
[03:59] <nhandler> akgraner: I know I read about him leaving, I mainly found the story about his time at Canonical very interesting
[03:59] <nhandler> His description of sabdfl's original email was very funny
[03:59] <akgraner> nhandler, I am teasing
[04:00] <akgraner> I agree the post is good - I added it to General Community news :-)
[04:07] <nhandler> akgraner: I might call it an early night. I'll finish anything that still needs doing up tomorrow. I'll also try and sift through some of the links that cj2003 posted on the UWN-Ideas pad
[04:09] <akgraner> I'll try to get it all sorted out so all you all have to do is publish - I have really missed all this :-)
[04:09] <akgraner> I'll leave you a note on the etherpad page so you know what all I got around to  (or not)
[04:09] <akgraner> is that ok?
[04:09] <akgraner> don't want to mess up your system..
[04:11] <nhandler> akgraner: That is pefect. Thanks again for everything
[04:11] <akgraner> anytime - thanks for covering my slack :-)
[04:11] <akgraner> have a good night!
[04:49] <akgraner> pleia2, I am making notes on the links I am not including an why in that long list of ideas on the ideas etherpad
[04:50] <akgraner> most of the links are from 2+ weeks ago and I am not sure if these were included or not so, I am adding them to sneak peek
[04:51] <akgraner> as it's really late news but incase someone didn't see them we'll at least link to the information
[06:14] <akgraner> hey there is a scheduling conflict on Tuesday - I'll email the teams it effects
[06:14] <akgraner> pleia2, you around?
[06:16] <pleia2> yeah, what's up?
[06:22] <akgraner> there is a conflict with CC meeting and Ubuntu Audio Dev Team Meeting on Tuesday
[06:22] <akgraner> I emailed you and Luke
[06:23] <akgraner> you for CC and Luke for Audio Dev Team
[06:23] <akgraner> just wanted someone on both CC and Audio Team to be aware
[06:24] <akgraner> pleia2, so as soon as you or Luke sort it out can you let me know and I'll change the Calendar and newsletter :-)
[06:24] <akgraner> ok you can  - you know know what I mean
[06:24] <akgraner> :-)
[06:25] <pleia2> the CC meeting has been there for years, I don't anticipate it moving any time soon :)
[06:26] <pleia2> we'd have to appeal to Mark, but he's been unwilling to change the set times so far
[06:30] <akgraner> pleia2, I'll pull the Audio Meeting from UWN for now until I hear from Luke - Can you or another CC member let Luke know, please?
[06:31] <pleia2> yep, sent, and Cc:ed the CC
[06:32] <akgraner> Thank you!
[09:40] <akgraner> pleia2, nhandler I've gotten all the summaries written and the newsletter formatted...I did not summarize the loco or launchpad sections but rather included the links to those stories as bullet points - it's only six stories if you decide you want the summarized
[09:40] <akgraner> also I formatted the wiki page removing the ## commented out lines and put all the links and stuff in where they needed to go and formatted the in this issue part
[09:41] <akgraner> I also deleted the sections that weren't being used and added your names to the  credits - if you all can proof it one more time - it should be good to go
[10:28] <akgraner> pleia2, nhandler  - the write up for the Fridge is here - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN  it's formated correctly I believe - but please double check it
[10:32] <akgraner> and I am gone for a few hours :-)
[14:07] <nhandler> akgraner: Thanks a lot. I'll take care of getting everything else on the checklist taken care of
[14:09] <akgraner> nhandler, thanks!
[14:14] <akgraner> nhandler, pleia2 I'll be around more to help with UWN - please let me know if you all are busy or can't help publish one weekend and I'll adjust my plans accordingly :-)  so I guess that means - I'm back or well not as unavailable as I have been :-D  woo hoo!
[14:14] <nhandler> akgraner: That is great news
[14:16] <akgraner> nhandler, :-)  thanks for publishing as I wouldn't have been able to til late this afternoon sometime
[14:17] <akgraner> if you run into a snag or something ping me or email (best email address during the day is my work one as I am not logged into my personal one all the time while at work - agraner  linuxnewmedia com)
[14:17] <nhandler> Thanks. I don't think I had that address
[14:30] <nhandler> akgraner: I'm going to include the December team report, but I'm going to try a new format. I'll include the governance councils in their entirety. I will also include the names of all teams that have reports for the month (along with a link), but not their actual content. We'll try this for December, and can go from there
[14:38] <akgraner> nhandler, cool - did you see the example of the reports write up I but in the the reply to your email?
[14:39] <akgraner> The reason I suggested that format was to 1) Educate People who don't know about the wiki page with all that information on it and 2) to drive traffic to that page so we can gage how many people use that page and the pages that are linked to it)
[14:40] <akgraner> Hope that makes sense to you, not that I am saying not to try your idea
[14:40] <akgraner> try it and lets see what feedback we get...:-) just wanted you to know my thought process behind the example I gave
[14:52] <nhandler> akgraner: I like the idea of an intro, and we can try it out as well (especially since the report will be shorter than normal)
[14:53] <akgraner> nhandler, sure - have fun with it..(I just wanted you to know my thoughts behind the suggestion) :-)
[16:25] <nhandler> I added the summaries for the LoCo News and Launchpad News. I also added the Team Reports for December. I'll finish things up after I go to the dentist
[16:26] <akgraner> nhandler, k thanks!
[19:53] <nhandler> akgraner: I thought 'In the Blogosphere' was for stories coming from blogs not syndicated on Planet Ubuntu.
[19:54] <pleia2> that's what I thought too
[20:04] <nhandler> Gah, the wiki is acting up for me and making it difficult to finish up the Weekly Team Minutes section
[20:17] <nhandler> akgraner, pleia2: It looks like several dev teams didn't get minutes prepared. Should I put a link pointing to where they should be? Or just not include that meeting?
[20:18] <pleia2> I'd not include them
[20:19] <akgraner> nhandler, I deleted those
[20:19] <nhandler> :)
[20:19] <akgraner> b/c of that reason :-)
[20:20] <akgraner> nhandler, yes - however blogs can be blogs from anywhere and when the planet section is way to long we can move them around
[20:20] <akgraner> rather than not include good content we have the ability to move it around to include and still keep in a correct section
[20:20] <akgraner> make sense?
[20:21] <akgraner> There are no hard and fast rules it's all very subjective
[20:21] <nhandler> akgraner: Sort of. It is the same ammount of content either way. Personally, I would rather have them under the Planet section if that is where we got it from and have the blogosphere section blank, but I don't have strong opinions either way
[20:22] <akgraner> it makes the sections way to big - and we need it to be balanced
[20:22] <akgraner> people grip when a section goes over 6 or 7 links per section
[20:22] <akgraner> and to be honest I quit reading anything when it gets that long
[20:23] <nhandler> Seems dumb to me, the length of the actual UWN is the same. But w/e
[20:24] <akgraner> that's just the way it is - people hate scrolling through various sections forever - and hence the reason the whole thing needs to be even smaller
[20:25] <akgraner> ok I think we are speaking past each other - the wiki can be as huge as we want it to be but the plain text version that people are getting on their mobile devices or that we link to on the fridge need to be smaller
[20:25] <akgraner> and people can click on to the links they want to read
[20:25] <akgraner> but that can be worked on for another day
[20:26] <akgraner> also way - you have to understand it's not about what we want but what the audience of readers are asking for
[20:27] <akgraner> and sometimes what makes sense for them doesn't always go with what we think - :-)
[20:31] <akgraner> however, at the end of the day , all that really matters is we did the best we could in any given moment and just roll with it :-)
[23:52]  * jasono is away: I'm busy
[23:55] <pleia2> jasono: please stop using that, you've been asked a couple of times :(
[23:55] <pleia2> it's terribly rude
[23:59] <jasono> pleia2 No I haven't I am sorry
[23:59] <jasono> How is it rude?