[03:00] * pleia2 waves [03:00] howdy [03:00] meeting time, who's about? [03:00] hi [03:00] jtatum is [03:00] \o [03:01] cool, so let's jump right in [03:01] Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January16 [03:01] hi [03:02] [TOPIC] Scale9x planning (continued) [03:02] so DarkwingDuck was looking into how many scale volunteer badges we get, I think it's going to be around 4 [03:02] once we know we can decide who all gets them (I already bought my ticket, I know some others have too) [03:03] I'm still waiting for Joe to get back to me on that. [03:03] the wiki is coming together nicely :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x [03:03] ok cool [03:03] I think he is waiting on Gareth who is waiting on someone else. [03:03] :D [03:03] oh, and DarkwingDuck has the conference pack! [03:03] from canonical [03:04] Oh yeah, I wanted to ask about something in that. [03:04] We have 2 T-shirts and 2 hats. [03:04] t-shirt sizes? [03:04] But we also have the "Offical Ununtu Guide" [03:04] L and XL [03:04] * pleia2 nods [03:04] I was thinking [03:04] Maybe not for money but, we might want to have a raffel for the book. [03:05] Raffle [03:05] or however. [03:05] This way we can have a bit of publicity for the booth [03:05] A raffle is a good idea. [03:05] any thoughts on how that would work? collect email addresses and arrange shipping after the conference? [03:06] Nope [03:06] Might get people coming back to the booth and sending their friends there. [03:06] Raffle tickets at the booth [03:06] then on saturday or something we can give it away [03:06] how would we find the people with the tickets? tell them to come back at $time? [03:06] lemme grab my list of what was in the pack [03:06] Maybe give it away at lunchtime, or some prearranged time like that? [03:06] we had good results from that for a previous OSCON [03:06] Yes [03:07] we have 25 Ubuntu button badges [03:07] 25 sticker sheets [03:07] badges are what go on computer, right? [03:07] 55 Aubergine lanyards [03:07] No [03:08] They are pins [03:08] Ah ok [03:08] Small ones [03:08] there's a url that lists this stuff somewhere [03:08] yeah, should be A: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences [03:09] Sometimes 'badge' is the sticker on a computer, I thought. Just was clarifying. :) [03:09] These are the lanyards [03:09] http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=722 [03:09] Neat [03:10] Anyway, I have not recieved any CDs for the event. [03:10] I think the raffle idea is a good one [03:10] anyone have any other thoughts regarding planning for now? [03:10] I need to order those tonight actually. [03:10] I am pretty sure the CDs are the regular loco ones [03:11] or do they send a whole second pack for a conference? [03:11] They send a conference pack AFAIK [03:11] conference packs don't include CDs [03:11] unless they changed it. iono. [03:11] Robert, they sent us a HUGE pack of CDs last year didn't they? [03:11] more for events [03:11] I also got like 100 for CampKDE too [03:12] DarkwingDuck: that wasn't part of the conference pack, that was through shipit [03:12] alright, I'll reply to the shipit contact and ask if we can get some [03:12] (and use my nick so I get pinged, am multitasking right now) [03:12] UbuntuAtConferences page says to go through shipit, so I guess it's still the same [03:12] yeah [03:12] Okay [03:12] I'll do that now... [03:12] how many of each do we want? [03:13] DarkwingDuck: the team contact has to, that's me [03:13] Oh, okay [03:13] https://shipit.ubuntu.com/specialrequest [03:13] * pleia2 nods [03:13] Anyway, [03:14] ok, sounds good [03:14] good work [03:14] oh, I created this, should link to the wiki: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/637/detail/ [03:15] I was thinking as well... Do we want to do an UbuCon again this year? [03:15] I don't know that we have time to schedule it [03:15] * eps perks up [03:15] but if you want to look into it, I'll commit to speaking or leading a session or something [03:15] I can talk to Gareth/Joe and see [03:16] ok [03:16] What we did last year was a bit of a intro to Ubuntu and then lightning talks [03:16] cool [03:16] We had what, 40, 50 people last year rww? [03:16] I forget, sorry. There are photos somewhere that'd show the number of people. [03:17] Maybe UbuCon uncon? [03:17] It was crazy, I do remember we ran out of chairs in that room. [03:18] Nathan might remember more. [03:19] ok, well let's look into it, I'm totally in if we can pull it off :) [03:19] :) [03:19] shall we move on agenda-wise? [03:20] DarkwingDuck: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10March07 says 40-50 [03:20] Sure :) [03:20] Ahh thanks Flannel [03:20] [TOPIC] Team image sharing options (continued) [03:20] ok, so we started a thread about this on the list and didn't get much discussion [03:20] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2011-January/001547.html [03:22] it's a good thing I have to charge my Nook before I can use it, otherwise this meeting would be hard [03:22] * pleia2 peers at charging light periodically [03:22] jdeslip's mention of commandline support got me interested in picasa ... I was leaning toward flickr before that, just because it seems like "everybody uses it". [03:22] yeah, so both flickr and picasa have command line ability (they both have APIs, so this isn't surprising) [03:23] pleia2: It took about 30 minutes on AC before it was usable for me. USB charge would be longer. [03:23] :) [03:23] I have no patience ... I was using the archos after about 15 minutes of charge, esp. after I found out a full USB charge would take ~8 hrs. [03:24] oh, and fwiw we already have an ubuntu_us_ca gmail account [03:24] you don't need to log in to google to see picasaweb stuff, right? [03:24] underscores weren't allowed [03:25] oh, maybe that's why the password isn't working for me [03:25] maybe [03:25] ubuntu-us-ca then? [03:25] Anybody have a sample picasa image url to make sure of that? I think it might need javascript. [03:25] ubuntuusca@ [03:25] I don't think dashes were allowed either [03:25] grantbow: aha! success :) [03:26] :) [03:26] akk: http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/CLS2011# [03:26] maybe also test this (link to a specific photo): http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/CLS2011#5562276213074679506 [03:27] "You are using a browser that is not fully supported. Some features may not work too well, but you are welcome to have a look around." [03:27] rww: what browser? [03:27] Konqueror [03:27] Yeah, it requires javascript from ggpht.com and googlestatic.com [03:27] haha [03:27] and you have to allow them one at a time in noscript [03:27] seems to be working better than the average Google product does on it, though. [03:27] ok, how does this work for everyone http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/5350732785/ [03:27] I wonder what flickr requires [03:28] which makes me lean back toward flickr, which works even in non-js browsers [03:28] * pleia2 grins at rww [03:28] flickr works fine for me. better than flash works with my glasses, anyway >.> [03:28] It works in Rekonq [03:28] hehe [03:28] yep, pleia2's flickr link works fine with all the JS turned off. [03:28] +1 accessible data [03:29] yeah, I'm leaning to flickr now too [03:29] (there is a subtle header at the top saying "to take full advantage of flickr" I should enable JS) [03:29] I'd personally prefer flickr, because I remember it working better when I was using NoScript, too. [03:29] I find the interface of flickr easier, but that's pretty subjective [03:29] I don't mind turning on JS, but it really annoys me when I'm presented with a list of 6 sites and have to guess which ones I really need to see the pictures. [03:29] * pleia2 nods [03:29] Sites that just have JS from one source aren't so bad, but picasa has a bunch. [03:30] yeah, that's pretty annoying [03:31] jdeslip is our picasa champion, but upon talking with him he's ok with it going to flickr [03:32] I am thinking we just decide to go with flickr now unless anyone else has opinions either way [03:32] +1 flickr [03:32] +1 [03:32] +1 [03:32] +1 Image hosting [03:32] :P [03:32] hehe [03:32] +1 flickr [03:32] lol [03:33] +1 [03:34] ok, I think we'll just link it to our gmail account (creating a yahoo account is silly) [03:34] now... name? ubuntucalifornia? ubuntuusca? ubuntu-california? [03:35] california, not usca [03:35] hyphen if it's allowed [03:35] the hyphen is allowed [03:36] the-ubuntu-california-local-community-team... or ubuntu-california is good [03:36] lol [03:36] it's all loco [03:37] lol [03:37] and many of us are too [03:37] Being a northern mexico guy (San Diego) the loco always makes me laugh [03:37] even living in the northeast it's funny, spanish is pretty pervasive in the US [03:38] well, I'm cool with ubuntu-california too [03:38] I live 15 miles south of San Diego city... I am really close to mexico [03:38] I disagee strongly with ubuntu-california [03:38] fwiw [03:38] * pleia2 nods [03:38] noted [03:39] grantbow, no hyphen or prefer 'loco'? [03:39] grantbow: you have another idea? [03:39] there's no good solution to all the issues involved [03:39] the naming has been a mess and will continue to be it seems [03:39] :) [03:40] grantbow: What name do you prefer? [03:40] So, aginst ubuntu-california without another option given? [03:40] in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2011-January/001540.html grantbow clarifies some of his naming scheme ideas [03:40] ubuntu-us-ca if it's a choice since the oldest resources are named this and we can't change them. [03:40] I'm in favor of maintaining consistent branding. [03:41] including this channel [03:41] launchpad isn't named that [03:41] really not a huge fan of hyphens but get that it's common here so will go for whatev [03:41] pleia2: correct [03:41] I dislike -us-ca myself, but for a flickr name it doesn't matter that much, most flickr names are things like twelveblearyeyedsardines [03:42] yeah, and people just click links anyway [03:42] nobody's going to be typing it in, or judging us based on it [03:42] :) [03:42] photoshoppedcatswithhorriblehdrapplication [03:42] I doubt I'll ever give the flickr address, I'll just "go to ubuntucalifornia.org and click on "photos" [03:42] Right, me too. [03:43] so ubuntu-us-ca is fine with me [03:43] pleia2, ditto [03:43] So if consistency with the official name is better, that's fine with me. [03:43] (being -us-ca) [03:43] I don't care either way, but it's impossible to be consistant with the official name when we have multiple official names :( [03:43] I know the powers that be would like the use of ubuntu-us-ca... I have do issues with following in line with that. [03:43] rww: correct [03:43] rww: +1 [03:44] ubuntu-california is much stronger when marketing to end users [03:44] Well, the powers that be could give us useful hosting if they really felt strongly about this stuff. :) [03:44] eps: depends which end users [03:44] not geeks and not bureaucrats [03:44] I can't imagine an end user who would prefer -us-ca or find it more readable. [03:45] well, ubuntu-us-ca is shorter, so that's nice [03:46] I feel that giving non geeks a clue as to the structure of the worldwide efforts is useful [03:46] ok, well we know what the issues are, do we want to go with ubuntu-us-ca? or vote between that or ubuntu-california? [03:46] for what it's worth, the coin I just flipped says ubuntu-us-ca. [03:47] lol [03:47] rww: :) [03:47] ok, I vote for rww's coin flip [03:47] +1 [03:47] hehe [03:47] +1 for the coin [03:47] alright, I'm creating ubuntu-us-ca flickr now [03:47] woo hoo [03:47] I love meetings that accomplish stuff. :) [03:48] :D [03:48] Signed in as 1299756ffc8a03e63a9fa003211cf87f [03:48] heheh [03:48] nice, yahoo [03:49] hahaha [03:49] alright, so we'll get access to this sorted in the coming days, and get some photos up :) [03:49] [TOPIC] Announcements & everything else [03:50] anything? [03:50] we have some ubuntu hours coming up: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california [03:50] Only thing I have is that a new Xfce came out ;) [03:51] yes, today! 4.8! [03:51] Nice! [03:51] http://www.xfce.org/about/news/?post=1295136000 :D [03:51] next week I'll give noisebridge.net another batch of 40 burned 10/10 discs to give away [03:51] Ohhh... oh oh oh [03:51] 10.10 [03:51] If you have extra USB drives... [03:52] Support the 11.04 release by running it on USB and submitting bug reports. :) [03:52] That's my PSA [03:52] hehe [03:52] nice [03:53] as an active Dev I can say we rely on people for this. [03:53] If you have a few hours just load it up and play around... try to break it so we can fix it. [03:54] zsyncing the latest images works well to keep updated too [03:54] I wish it was easier to install ubuntu to a usb stick. [03:54] unetbootin if the built in one doesn't work.... [03:54] usb-creator-gtk is easy for me, now that it works in current releases [03:54] well, -qt. but same deal. [03:54] grub2 is what I use for all my sticks [03:54] no need to dedicate a stick to a distro [03:54] KDE/Kubuntu startup disk creator work nice [03:54] I've given up on usb-creator variants, after about 4 releases where it was a horrible failure. [03:55] grantbow, CLSwest was epic. Im sorry you could not make it. Are you feeling better? [03:55] Why can't ubuntu just make an image you can put on a usb stick, like fedora does? [03:55] yes, grantbow we missed you at cls west! [03:55] MarkDude: thanks, we'll talk after the meeting [03:55] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/natty/alpha1 [03:55] akk: Debian started doing that very recently. I'm hoping it carries over to Ubuntu soon. [03:55] There is a link to get Alpha 1 [03:55] pleia2: thanks [03:56] anymore announcements? [03:56] I don't think so [03:56] http://www.flickr.com/photos/58412771@N02/ [03:56] ( http://blog.einval.com/2011/01/07#isohybrid_CDs ) [03:56] I wonder if it'll create an ubuntu-us-ca url? now I'm concerned :) [03:56] pleia2: "1299756ffc8a03e63a9fa003211cf87f doesn't have anything available to you." [03:57] akk: yeah, that's what I meant above :) [03:57] 19:48:37 < pleia2> Signed in as 1299756ffc8a03e63a9fa003211cf87f [03:58] aahh, it's in setup [03:59] http://www.flickr.com/photos/ubuntu-us-ca [03:59] woo [03:59] Anything else to the meeting? [03:59] Going Once [03:59] I think that's it [04:00] Going Twice... [04:00] sold? [04:00] Thank you for attending [04:00] now, off to my other meeting [04:00] * DarkwingDuck waves [04:00] Thanks for participating everyone [04:00] good meeting [04:00] thanks everyone :) [04:02] no, thanks you pleia2 [04:04] thank you, pleia2 :) and thank you, rww for your coin ;) [04:04] rww_coin++ [04:04] In Tux we trust? [04:05] nook still charging [04:06] ok, it no longer says crazyrandomstringofcharacters on our flickr page ;) [04:06] pleia2: color android nook, or bw epaper? Did I already ask you that? [04:06] Yay, "Ubuntu California Team's photostream" [04:06] akk: bw epaper [04:06] MarkDude: still have a nasty sounding cough [04:06] honestly the color seems stupid to me as an ebook reader :( [04:07] pleia2: I'd love to see it some time ... I've only seen them in store settings, curious how they are in low light. [04:07] my eyes hurt from too much proper screen viewing, I'd just use my netbook if I wanted to stare at another screen [04:07] make sure you upgrade to firmware version 1.5 if it isn't already at that. decreases the e ink screen refresh rate by half, which is noticibly better when reading [04:07] grantbow Nixie flaked also, she had the CES plague [04:07] rww: right! I'll be sure to do that [04:07] or increases the rate, decreases the time. I don't know, it's late. [04:07] I find I like my archose a lot for e-reading ... I can turn down the colors in ways I can't with a desktop/laptop screen. [04:07] akk: coming to the mt view ubuntu hour on thursday? I could bring it down then [04:08] But epaper is a big win outside or in other natural/bright light. [04:08] it's not really "lit" itself, so in low light you'll need a book light or something [04:08] pleia2: Yay, I'm planning to be there on Thursday too. [04:21] grantbow, I need to talk to you about Sugar and OLPC sometime [04:21] aaditya, did you survive? [04:22] MarkDude: sure === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-ca to: Welcome to the Ubuntu California Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Webpage: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: Sunday, Jan 30th, 7:00pm PST | This channel is publicly logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com | We have an unlogged channel at #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic [04:32] squee, nook is ready! [04:35] wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/Current edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January16 edited [04:46] grantbow, hopefully you feel better by next week- maybe Wed will work to talk [04:51] wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January16 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11February13 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Menu edited [04:57] MarkDude: I'll email you, that might work well. [04:58] Cool, I need a wishlist off things that are needed for both [04:58] $ I know. [04:59] What sort of dev type work is priority to make Sugar more enjoyable [05:02] stable etc [05:10] I emailed you. I don't think I will be your best source for compiling such a list but I'll do what I can to help. [05:10] as long as you don't give out my number again, lol. [05:11] Sorry about that [05:11] * MarkDude had less than 15 minutes to test to see if he could Ustream his session [05:11] talk Wed? [05:12] sure [05:12] cool [05:12] Others are helping with list also [05:12] Need a way to gain more eyeball/ contributors [05:12] ttyl [05:13] If you want to fall asleep - I can give you link to the video from the TOSW session [05:13] :D [05:23] rww: it came with 1.5.0 [05:23] ah, okay. Mine came with 1.4.1; guess yours was a newer shipment [05:48] * kdub wishes he could make the team meetings X-| [06:27] http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/CLS2011# [06:28] pleia2, some of the pics from Cls [06:38] I saw :) you need to put up LOTS more! [06:39] 150 is just a start [06:39] I still have the dinner [06:39] doh, chrome caching [06:39] * pleia2 sees more now [06:40] * MarkDude took no pics at the stuff after that ;) [06:43] * MarkDude does not want to upload my notes to the wiki yet, CC license is NC. I will post to Gkwiki and tosw wiki [06:43] eww [06:43] NC-- [06:54] yep, Karsten started a thread on CLS about it- lots of talk [07:47] MarkDude: I'm alive! \o/ [07:47] Good deal [07:47] Though I slept through the meeting today. I could have added some color to it. [07:48] * MarkDude forgot about it [07:48] said hey to G- he had to remind me there was a meeting [07:49] We had pancakes for breakfast, went for dim sum for lunch [07:49] That sounds fun! [07:49] What time did you get home? [07:49] Did you get home? [07:49] made it back around 5 or so today [07:49] :) [07:49] lol, cool. [07:50] I was too tired last night to dance or anything [07:51] Yeah, CLS has been tiring, and then the dinner. [07:51] I fell asleep at 4:30 woke up at 9:30 I think I will sleep well tonight [07:52] Sleep deprivation FTW. [07:52] * MarkDude was up until 2:30 getting ready for CLS, and installing Win7 [07:52] Installing Win7 for CLS? [07:52] oh wait, there's an and in that sentence. [07:52] * MarkDude can sleep later, it was worth it [07:52] well Devry hates Linux [07:53] Not really [07:53] No login for iptables reason [07:53] even Safari could only use 32bit version [07:53] I read about it in Devry. How does that even work? [07:54] They install some software on your machine? [07:54] Apple folks could not connect [07:54] No signal there anyway- so it was all moot [07:54] hah. I'm glad I've tethered my Android. [07:55] * MarkDude now has 20Gb of Win ultimate - it *does* feel more special since it is Steve Balmer autographed addition [07:56] That's got some weight to it. [07:56] * MarkDude will keep it on there. I can shrink it if need be [07:57] A friend was cleaning up her computer by removing malware and unnecessary software. I suggested she remove windows. ;) [07:58] * aaditya startst to pass out. [07:58] night, cali. [07:58] * MarkDude knows his copy is safe now, since I dont plan on using it much [07:58] later dude [09:50] MarkDude: ping [16:07] i'm going to where my Ubuntu tshirt on the Freedom Train (in honor of MLK day) today and have some Ubuntu disks to hand out. :-) [16:20] details on Freedom Train and the celebration in SF at the Civic Center today: http://scvmlk.org/index_files/Page1353.htm pleia2: jtatum, aaditya, jamalta, MarkDude, Yasumoto [16:21] specifics about SF Civic Center MLK day celebration today: http://www.norcalmlk.org/2011/ [16:23] oops, self-correction: it says this year its at Yerba Buena Center for the Arts [16:28] shame I have to work today, I'll tell mjoseph though in case he wants to head over, thanks nUboon2Age [16:28] nUboon2Age, I cant go- I am headed to LUGOD tonight [16:29] hm, is this a big holiday for california? I've even noticed some shops being closed [16:34] pleia2, yes it is. Quite a big deal in many areas. AZ is more lackadaisical with their view on such things. [17:27] Happy MLK day all. [17:28] happy MLK day jdeslip! [17:28] /you're supposed to be mourning/ [17:28] or something. i don't know. [17:28] I think he'd be happy that his legacy is celebrated by sleeping in ;) [17:29] ah, the day's around the time of his birthday, not deathday. guess not. [17:30] So, what is the best way to integrate flickr into android? [17:30] there is a flickr app that I used to use [17:30] now I use the email-flickr-and-it-updates-twitter-too email address they offer [17:31] and if I have a lot of photos to upload I just mount it and use f-spot like a regular camera [17:45] morning everyone [18:07] morning [18:09] so, umm, is it not a legal requirement to use lights while driving in thick fog around here? seems like half the cars on the street aren't, and this seems insane to me. [18:10] It is a requirement, and it is insane not to. [18:10] but most cars have automatic lights these days, so people don't pay attention to their lights a whole lot [18:12] hrm. I've seen all sorts of cars (old ones too) without them on. I guess some drivers just aren't used to fog, don't know what to do. [18:13] I'm the sort of person that uses daylight running lamps on normal days, so... :\ [18:13] yeah, our car has daytime running lights [18:15] pleia2: are you still hosting ubuntu hour? [18:16] jamie_: yes, but the next SF one isn't until next month [18:16] (we just had one last week) [18:16] darn missed it-- when is next one? [18:18] feb 9th [18:18] but we host them all over the bay, there is one in mt view on thursday: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california [18:18] pleia2: ok cool by the way what size shirft do you wear? [18:19] san fran would prolly be the closer one [18:20] it is [18:20] pleia2: i work at a screen printing shop i made some tshirts with ubuntu california team logo on them [19:01] rww: frankly, it's rain or fog where I explicitly notice my lights, because I can actually see them. [19:02] jamie_: oh, you rock! we've been looking for a t-shirt supplier [19:02] jamie_: women's XL (Men's L) [19:05] jamie_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Shirts has some of our designs, and we had a bunch made: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/menslargeback.jpg http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/womenslargefront.jpg [19:05] but we're running low, only have 2XLs left (and some women's sizes) [19:21] pleia2: theses have the logo with the bear on front of a white shirt can only do a few at a time with out it costing me. [19:22] i have six now mens large and xl will do more when i can [19:22] jamie_: we should talk, I can pitch in some $$$ (we have about $50 in donations sitting around that can be used toward shirts, and I can put in more) [19:22] sure [19:22] dont have much time now as am at work maybe later this afternoon or at next meeting [19:22] same here [19:23] pleia2: if i only do a few at a time doesnt cost me but if i do some bulk i get a really good discount [19:24] jamie_: yeah, we have been looking at a few local shops but it's ending up being like $400 for 50 shirts, which, in theory is good, but still a bit uncomfortably high for a group that doesn't have an income [19:25] we'll talk later though :) [19:25] jamie can you PM me your info- Gk is looking to make some shirts - with logo, slogan, and maybe Geeknic site [19:25] definitely [19:25] ty [19:52] Now that I'm settling into my new job I'm hoping to get back into speaking again. :) [19:52] It'll be a good goal for 2011. [20:06] nhaines, good to hear. You are a great speaker/teacher, and have to ability to convey information :) [20:08] Record it or stream it live if you can - it is good to share [20:57] nhaines: i have a speaking resolution for 2011 as well :D === coherenc1 is now known as coherence [22:05] kdub: excellent! It's a really great thing to do. :D [22:05] Lots of fun and also builds great skills you can use in life too. [22:06] yeah, i used to give some talks back in MI [22:06] kernel or graphics [22:06] i gotta sharpen up on graphics with all this wayland jazz though :P [22:10] haha [22:25] A talk on wayland would be great. [22:25] Or an article on it, or practically anything on it. [22:27] Also, talks on beginning kernel development -- there are lots of developers who would love to get into the kernel but can't figure out where to start. [22:41] pleia2, Im leaving at 4 to goto my talk at LUGOD, You up for going? [22:42] * MarkDude figured not, Davis is hella far away [22:42] MarkDude: no, sorry, Caligula is sick so we need to bring him to the vet [22:42] Np. Kitties are very important :) I understand [22:43] yeah, we had him scheduled to go in on Saturday, but he stopped eating around saturday night [22:43] he's a giant cat who loves food more than anything, this is weird :( [22:44] I might go. Dunno if I have a car available yet. [22:49] Cool rww [22:49] I am meeting Norm in a few [23:10] akk: kernel development is tough to break into [23:11] kdub: I've been in 2-3 groups of developers trying to teach ourselves kernel hacking (never very successful). That's why I say there's a demand. [23:16] I need to do a humorous introduction to Free Software, that's what I should do.