[00:50] <illuminaris> I need help trouble shooting World of Warcraft graphics lag. I'm running an ATI Radeon 9800 PRO and an AMD Athlon XP 1800+ on Ubuntu 11.04 and WINE 1.2.1 in OpenGL mode with about 5-15fps. I've tried all the guides and fixes I can find with no luck.
[01:24] <hackeron> quick upstart question - when using exec, how do I execute a process as a different user?
[01:24] <hackeron> (i.e. not root)
[01:26] <charlie-tca> Might get the best answers to upstart in #upstart , where the developer of it hangs out
[01:27] <hackeron> charlie-tca: thanks, asking there
[01:27] <charlie-tca> worth a try anyway, right?
[01:42] <hackeron> charlie-tca: they said su - and a future release of upstart will have native support for something like that
[01:42] <hackeron> charlie-tca: seems like a hack but I guess it works :)
[01:58] <charlie-tca> hackeron: glad they could help
[02:08] <hackeron> :)
[03:28] <h00k> I'm having upgrade issues with python2.7-minimal
[03:29] <h00k> on my netbook, can't upgrade muh packages, it fails install
[03:31] <h00k> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 3
[03:32] <h00k> bug 689306
[03:34] <h00k> ooh, I may have to upgrade my maverick first
[03:34] <h00k> ...I didn't do this before I upgraded to natty
[03:59] <alex_mayorga> Can someone take a look at bug 704261, please?
[04:04] <alex_mayorga> Also I somehow ended up with two "Broadcast" entries on the indicator applet, how do I clean that up?
[04:44] <Ohelig> ! telepathy-butterfly is using 100% cpu. Is there anything I should do to report it as a bug before i end the process?
[04:44] <Ohelig> I have no problem what caused it
[04:44] <Ohelig> hmm... a bot?
[04:44] <Ohelig> !commands
[04:48] <bazhang> !bug | Ohelig
[05:08] <sagaci> what's the go with the daily-live cd images, the dailys are being updated but not the daily-live isos
[05:08] <sagaci> what gives
[06:22] <slyrus_> mplayer performance with HD videos in natty is unbearable... was pretty good in maverick. a bug or expected behavior due to the development cycle?
[07:04] <leagris> hello
[10:09] <Daekdroom> !daily
[11:23] <Daekdroom> !NattyChanges
[11:23] <Daekdroom> Hm. I need the NattyChanges RSS Feed link
[11:29] <bazhang> http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/NattyChanges Daekdroom that?
[11:29] <Daekdroom> Yep, that.
[11:29] <Daekdroom> <3
[12:39] <dnivra> hello. when I try to upgrade, it says 67 packages available but all are held back. what is wrong?
[12:58] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[12:58] <bazhang> sudo update-manager -d
[12:59] <bazhang> pr0ph3t, ^^
[12:59] <pr0ph3t> thanks
[12:59] <bazhang> np
[12:59] <pr0ph3t> ::P
[12:59] <bazhang> pr0ph3t, it is alpha one :)
[12:59] <pr0ph3t> yes I have it installed
[12:59] <bazhang> that was fast
[13:00] <pr0ph3t> so were you :P
[13:01] <bazhang> http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/NattyChanges  pr0ph3t you can follow the rss feed on this
[13:02] <pr0ph3t> cheers
[13:02] <bazhang> :)
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:10] <pr0ph3t> so Unity is a definite so far
[13:11] <pr0ph3t> still with the choice of going back to classic
[13:11] <bazhang> yep
[13:11] <bazhang> definite crash at this point
[13:15] <pr0ph3t> bazhang, what do you mean?
[13:16] <bazhang> pr0ph3t, it crashes on me, leaving the traditional gnome desktop
[13:17] <pr0ph3t> bazhang, stronger so far in my opinion
[13:17] <pr0ph3t> and not just because I am used ot it
[13:17] <pr0ph3t> to*
[13:18] <bazhang> well I'm still on it, and its just alpha one, so no complaints :)
[13:18] <pr0ph3t> I really like the idea of the side bar
[13:18] <pr0ph3t> as an innovation
[13:20] <pr0ph3t> but then the graphical interface seems the least important of the innovations natty will bring
[13:21] <pr0ph3t> things can always change, as you said, it's only alpha 1 at the moment
[13:23] <bazhang> yep
[13:23] <bazhang> whoops
[13:25] <meborc> natty does not recognize my acer one netbook battery... is there any way to tell the system it is running on a mobile (laptop) device? I have no battery icon and "acpi" returns nothing
[13:25] <bazhang> !find powertop
[13:25] <bazhang> !info powertop
[13:26] <meborc> bazhang, ok, will try... but if the system itself does not know it has a battery, will powertop know it?
[13:26] <bazhang> meborc, sorry that was just out of curiousity, I think the acpid you suggested is more the way to go
[13:27] <bazhang> ie file a bug
[13:27] <meborc> bazhang, that is what i usually use to find out battery % in the command line... but now acpi returns absolutely nothing :(
[13:28] <bazhang> meborc, yep, definite bug
[13:28] <meborc> bazhang, what package should I file the bug against? acpi? acpi is not installed by default, there should be something else that determines (checks) if battery present in the system
[13:29] <meborc> I have to dig more :D
[13:30] <meborc> bazhang, DUDE you rock!... just installed powertop, ran it (not even in root) and battery icon was displayed in the indicator pane
[13:30] <meborc> THANKS
[13:30] <bazhang> meborc, good question, but since my thinkpad battery is really dead and gone, I can't help in this case
[13:32] <meborc> bazhang, ^^
[13:32] <meborc> have a nice day
[13:32] <meborc> bye
[13:32] <bazhang> you too :)
[13:33] <Daekdroom> Current daily installer is broken :(
[13:47] <patdk-wk> heh, my thinkpad battery is almost dead, 30% life left :(
[13:47] <patdk-wk> need to replace it
[14:39] <alokito> will natty fix the nvidia-glx-96 issue?
[14:39] <bjsnider> and what issue is that?
[14:39] <alokito> I can't run maverick in an old pc cuz nvidia 96 driver doesn't work
[14:40] <alokito> have to stay on lucid :(
[14:40] <alokito> it's a xorg compatibility problem
[14:40] <bjsnider> yeah
[14:40] <bjsnider> won't be fixed unless nvidia wants to fix it
[14:40] <bjsnider> which they likely don't
[14:40] <alokito> why would nvidia want to fix such an old driver
[14:41] <alokito> yup, so only hope is ubuntu devs...
[14:41] <bjsnider> no
[14:41] <bjsnider> that is a closed-source driver. we don't touch it
[14:41] <alokito> xorg devs, to be particular
[14:41] <alokito> umm... can't you make a fix or something?
[14:42] <bjsnider> well, the kernel wrapper might be patched, but that's it, everything else is pre-built
[14:42] <alokito> without changing the driver's source...
[14:42] <alokito> okay
[14:42] <bjsnider> if you unpack the thing you'll notice that all of the shared libs and the kernel module are already built
[14:42] <alokito> I hope nv supports 3d soon!
[14:42] <bjsnider> nobody is working on nv anymore either
[14:42] <bjsnider> nouveau is the preferred choice
[14:43] <alokito> yah sorry
[14:43] <alokito> I meant to say nouveau :)
[14:43] <alokito> I heard it's improving
[14:43] <patdk-wk> wouldn't it just be so much easier to get a newer video card? they aren't expensive
[14:44] <bjsnider> and it does 3d if you install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[14:44] <alokito> no patdk-wk, it's an old laptop
[14:44] <alokito> acer travelmate 630
[14:44] <patdk-wk> oh laptop :(
[14:44] <alokito> I use it as a 24/7 download station
[14:44] <patdk-wk> suprised it lasted that long
[14:44] <patdk-wk> I can't get a laptop to last >1year
[14:44] <alokito> it doesn't even have a monitor, I run it through vnc
[14:44] <patdk-wk> oh, I use mine as an actual laptop, that goes with me 24/7
[14:45] <alokito> cool
[14:45] <alokito> I'll get a netbook soon
[14:45] <patdk-wk> wait, if it's a 24/ downloadstation, why does it need 3d support?
[14:45] <alokito> for vnc...
[14:45] <patdk-wk> when did vnc support 3d?
[14:45] <alokito> vino doesn't work without graphics driver
[14:46] <alokito> I don't like the other servers... they use separate sessions
[14:46] <rork> alokito: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/626974 official bug report, dirty fixes, workarounds and gossip about the but are here
[14:47] <alokito> yup I used a workaround before... by falling back to old xorg
[14:47] <bjsnider> maybe the "ignoreabi" option would work
[14:47] <alokito> but then what's the point upgrading to maverick?
[14:48] <alokito> I can run old xorg fine in lucid by default
[14:49] <rork> for me nothing except that it was the only i368 cd I had around, I use lucid instead which is fine with it's long support
[14:51] <alokito> I use it mainly for torrent download, the laptop
[14:51] <alokito> none of the other clients work as smoothly as ktorrent, but it crashes a lot so I though maverick would fix it...
[14:52] <alokito> thought*
[14:53] <Daekdroom> Has anyone tried installing with the most recent livecd daily image?
[14:54] <coz_> Daekdroom,  I have not... I have been updating  an earlier daily build
[14:54] <alokito> I tried, not much different from maverick except new packages and unity is default de
[14:54] <coz_> Daekdroom,   are you having a particular issue?
[14:54] <Daekdroom> Well, the partition step in ubiquity is crashing with daily :(
[14:54] <coz_> ooo
[14:55] <Amaranth> I installed using a daily from the 4th, only thing I had trouble with was encrypted home causing ubiquity to crash
[14:55] <alokito> testing kubuntu should be more fun, I'm not very fond of unity
[14:56] <Daekdroom> I liked it the last time I tried, but it's not ready for primetime.
[14:57] <alokito> yup
[14:58] <alokito> maverick alpha 2 was much different from lucid (afaik)
[15:00] <patdk-wk> I've neglected my natty :(
[15:00] <patdk-wk> 702 packages to update
[15:00] <alokito> patdk-wk: you have fast internet?
[15:00] <patdk-wk> 60MB/s
[15:00] <alokito> ok then happy updating :D
[15:01] <alokito> mine's 60 KB/s
[15:01] <alokito> :P
[15:01] <patdk-wk> looks like it locked up :(
[15:02] <patdk-wk> guess I should just reinstall it
[15:02] <alokito> delete the lock file
[15:02] <patdk-wk> I can't cancel apt-get
[15:02] <alokito> /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
[15:02] <patdk-wk> that works, if the computer responds to you :)
[15:02] <patdk-wk> if it obays the keyboard
[15:03] <alokito> sudo apt-get -f install doesn't fix it?
[15:03] <patdk-wk> what part of, apt-get is running, not doing anything, and control-c doesn't give me a command prompt, and alt-f2 doesn't give me a term window
[15:03] <patdk-wk> do you not get :)
[15:03] <alokito> cool :)
[15:03] <alokito> then re-install :P
[15:04] <BluesKaj> alt+f2 gives the runbox
[15:04] <patdk-wk> probably what I get for running root on btrfs :)
[15:04] <patdk-wk> BluesKaj, only if your in X
[15:05] <alokito> if you are using it for testing only better do that in vm
[15:05] <BluesKaj> patdk-wk, well that's a given isn't it ...we assume ppl are using a desktop here
[15:05] <alokito> saves you from frustration!
[15:05] <patdk-wk> I don't upgrade in the desktop :)
[15:05] <patdk-wk> alokito, this is a vm
[15:05] <alokito> cool then
[15:06] <BluesKaj> patdk-wk, ahha , a purist :)
[15:06] <patdk-wk> I'm more concerned about ubuntu-server though than desktop :)
[15:06] <patdk-wk> and since I generally run in vm, I care about how it works in vm :)
[15:07] <patdk-wk> though, I did install it on my netbook, and it's pretty nice :)
[15:07] <alokito> wifi worked?
[15:07] <patdk-wk> I installed maverik netbook version on it also, and quickly killed that
[15:07] <patdk-wk> ya, wifi worked fine, why wouldn't it?
[15:08] <patdk-wk> athoes9k I think it is
[15:08] <alokito> it didn't in lucid... in my hp mini
[15:08] <alokito> maverick works fine
[15:08] <patdk-wk> lucid/maverick both worked fine
[15:08] <alokito> ok
[15:08] <BluesKaj> so far the desktop version seems quite stable , altho dragonplayer crashes , but vlc works fine
[15:08] <patdk-wk> maverick seemed to have almost all my saving power customizations in it already though I noticed
[15:08] <alokito> did you try wlan?
[15:09] <patdk-wk> it has no wlan
[15:09] <alokito> I'm getting g speed in n network
[15:09] <alokito> ?
[15:09] <patdk-wk> oh heh
[15:09] <alokito> wifi lan file sharing=wlan
[15:09] <alokito> :P
[15:09] <patdk-wk> ya, my netbook is only getting 2.3MB/sec over n
[15:09] <patdk-wk> using scp atleast
[15:09] <alokito> sad
[15:09] <patdk-wk> cpu claims 40MB/s aes
[15:09] <alokito> same here
[15:10] <BluesKaj> my wifi ralink belkin USB adapter worked for about 20 mins then quit , and now refuses to work in network manager
[15:10] <patdk-wk> I'm thinking of changing it to WDE though
[15:10] <patdk-wk> upgrade 80% done
[15:10] <patdk-wk> heh, hit the red button, and redid the upgrade, and it seems to be working
[15:11] <alokito> cool
[15:11] <patdk-wk> this has been running since lucid-alpha
[15:11] <patdk-wk> just keep updating it
[15:11] <alokito> I'm installing lucid in the lap
[15:11] <patdk-wk> and screwing with it
[15:11] <alokito> through netboot
[15:12] <patdk-wk> updates done, 560MB downloaded
[15:12] <patdk-wk> and it crashed again :(
[15:12] <patdk-wk> guess I have to reinstall
[15:12] <alokito> lol
[15:12] <alokito> ya
[15:20] <knittl> anybody else experiencing kernel panics when closing their cd tray?
[15:20] <patdk-wk> people still have those?
[15:20] <patdk-wk> :)
[15:21] <knittl> cd/dvd/bluray
[15:21] <knittl> whatever
[15:21] <knittl> i still call it a cd tray
[15:21] <patdk-wk> wish everything was slotload these days
[15:32] <patdk-wk> heh, install failed while installing libc, guess try again without doing updates during install
[15:35] <yofel> patdk-wk: during libc-bin ?
[15:35] <patdk-wk> ya
[15:36] <yofel> I get a installation failure for libc-bin every time I try to use muon - which is bug 680328
[15:36] <patdk-wk> It said it was probably a old installer issue, and clicked ok, it said reboot, did, and drive wouldn't boot
[15:36] <yofel> not sure if it's the same issue
[15:36] <yofel> dpkg --configure libc-bin in a terminal resolves that, but muon still fails
[15:55] <Daekdroom> This is bad. Looks like there isn't a launchpad bug entry for the thing I'm facing.
[15:56] <patdk-wk> oh no, the world will end
[15:57] <Daekdroom> Yes, it will.
[16:03] <patdk-wk> heh, interesting
[16:04] <patdk-wk> dkms refused to build anything at all
[16:07] <Ian_Corne> Any idea when .38 will be in the repos?
[17:51] <duffolonious> How do I view the Main Menu in Natty?
[17:52] <yofel> I don't think the main menu even exists in natty - at least the natty one isn't ready yet
[17:52] <yofel> (it wasn't last time I tried it)
[17:53] <duffolonious> ok, because you can start Panel and get back to the old way in natty
[17:53] <duffolonious> but as far as using the new panel - it doesn't exist - so is that intentional?
[17:55] <duffolonious> yofel: so at the moment it's just not ready... ok
[17:55] <yofel> I think, I didn't read the whole design page
[17:55] <yofel> but the button that opens /usr/share/applications/ in nautilus is not going to stay at least
[17:59] <duffolonious> ahhh, ok
[18:07] <BluesKaj> ok, installed wicd-kde ...connecttion lasts about 20 mins then drops , testing now with all settings on auto , no dns etc
[18:36] <jadams> anyone else having problems in natty where nvidia compositing just doesn't work?  Happening on 2 machines for me right now, and I don't know the next steps to take to troubleshoot it
[18:37] <charlie-tca> you do have the hardware drivers installed, right?
[18:42] <jadams> yeah
[18:42] <jadams> I actually have the nvidia drivers installed from their website
[18:42] <jadams> I did that when this problem started
[18:42] <yofel> kwin compositing works fine with nvidia-current and my 250GTS and NVS 3100M here
[18:42] <yofel> ouch
[18:42] <jadams> perhaps I should purge that and just use the repo-provided ones again
[18:42] <yofel> jadams: you did rebuild them after every kernel update?
[18:43] <yofel> as long as you do that and have nouveau manually blacklisted they should work fine
[18:43] <jadams> yofel, yeah, I rebuilt them after every update
[18:43] <jadams> and they work fine-ish
[18:43] <jadams> but compositing wasn't working
[18:44] <jadams> how do I manually blacklist nouveau?  It def. wasn't in place because nvidia-settings worked / reported nvidia in use
[18:44] <yofel> hm, got a Xorg log where compositing doesn't work?
[18:44] <jadams> Xorg doesn't show it failing
[18:44] <jadams> but nothing recognizes it as working
[18:44] <jadams> Xorg shows that it processed the Composite "1" line fine
[18:44] <yofel> jadams: the package blacklists it, if you don't use the package you have to blacklist it yourself (in /etc/modprobe.d/)
[18:44] <jadams> but docky fails, desktop effects fail, etc
[18:45] <yofel> this is the package blacklist file http://paste.ubuntu.com/555509/
[18:49] <bjsnider> jadams, you should not install the package from nvidia's website. you should use jockey to install the recommended driver
[18:53] <bjsnider> yofel, do you have jockey-common installed?
[18:54] <yofel> hm? I do
[18:58] <bjsnider> i think most people do
[18:58] <bjsnider> trying to figure out what percentage of users don't have it
[19:06] <PolitikerNEU_> Hi, is natty already stable enough to browser e.g. the internet?
[19:07] <patdk-wk> I never thought it wasn't
[19:07] <patdk-wk> I'm sure that depends exactly on your hardware though
[19:07] <PolitikerNEU_> ok, so I will try it (hardly ever use this computer anyway ...)
[19:08] <PolitikerNEU_> Well - there have already been some ubuntu alpha/betas with firefox crashing all the time
[19:08] <PolitikerNEU_> that's why I ask
[19:08] <patdk-wk> there have?
[19:09] <patdk-wk> I haven't had once, but only been using the alpha/beta's since karmic
[19:17] <yofel> firefox 4.0 b7 was pretty crashy here, but I think current b9 should work fine - I'm using the daily build and haven't had a crash in weeks
[19:51] <knittl> ssl in apache is broken since my upgrade to natty
[19:52] <knittl> do i have to reconfigure something?
[19:58] <Pici> Have you filed a bug?
[19:59] <knittl> Pici: not yet, usually there's already a bug
[19:59] <knittl> although i was unable to find it
[20:15] <magn3tics> Has anyone ever given consideration to making a common API for file browser plugins?
[20:15] <magn3tics> That way I would feel better about making an application that really utilizes GUI driven file management extensions?
[20:51] <evilvish> yofel: told ya we will be coming for ya .. 11.10 Qt on CD .. then total domination.. ;p
[20:52] <yofel> the better Qt gets, the better KDE will get :P
[20:54] <evilvish> QML gwibber demo was very interesting..
[21:56] <Volkodav> hmm I can't open animation in ccsm ?
[22:25] <BUGabundo> man... my desktop is all messed up
[22:25] <BUGabundo> compiz specially
[22:26] <Volkodav> +1
[22:26] <BUGabundo> I just booted into a kernel trace *while* I was on the desktop
[22:26] <BUGabundo> disk and mouse still working
[22:26] <BUGabundo> lol it was like a wallpaper :S
[22:26] <Volkodav> I can't open animation in ccsm  and it acts weird too
[22:28] <BUGabundo> I guess ill have to turn something off
[22:28] <BUGabundo> and composite is broken
[22:28] <BUGabundo> so is notify
[22:34] <Volkodav> what else is new
[22:35] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:35] <Daekdroom> Aww. Compiz has a few regressions in Classic GNOME :(
[22:36] <BUGabundo> "few"? ahah
[22:38] <Daekdroom> well, mostly new bugs
[22:45] <Daekdroom> I might as well use composited metacity for the meantime
[22:46] <BUGabundo> I'll miss a lot of compiz stuff :(
[22:46] <BUGabundo> but this is worse
[22:46]  * yofel makes a tiny hint that it would be the perfect time to try KDE
[22:47] <BUGabundo> again?
[22:47] <BUGabundo> been there, done that
[22:47] <BUGabundo> I'm not a KDE guy
[22:47] <yofel> heh
[22:47] <BUGabundo> even when I was with aseigo and npinheiro
[22:47] <BUGabundo> we are friends
[22:52] <kim0> Does nvidia-vdpau seem to not work for anyone else in natty ?
[22:54] <coz_> hey guys.. has anyone noticed  these white triangles showing up on certain docks..dialogs..or applications?  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/white-triangle.png
[22:55] <Daekdroom> Yep. They show up at the panel in here
[22:56] <coz_> Daekdroom,  ah aha... ok  ... are you by chance using cairo dock
[22:56] <BUGabundo> I see ONE in my top bar
[22:56] <BUGabundo> under the clock
[22:56] <BUGabundo> in the most right
[22:56] <coz_> BUGabundo,   interesting... this started last week  after updates
[22:56] <BUGabundo> naaa
[22:56] <BUGabundo> been there for weeks
[22:56] <coz_> no?
[22:57] <BUGabundo> its making my OCD go balistic
[22:57] <coz_> BUGabundo,  oh :) ok  then I must have just noticed it about a week ago
[23:06] <kim0> that's a window resizing handle .. yaay :)
[23:07] <coz_> kim0,  well it has to go   :)
[23:08] <coz_> kim0,  also.. if it was "window" resizing handle...why isnt it showing on windows  themselves?
[23:08] <coz_> maybe it is
[23:09] <coz_> hard to tell white on white :)
[23:10] <Daekdroom> That shouldn't show up on gnome-panel, really
[23:10] <coz_> no it shouldnt
[23:11] <coz_>  if this is going to be used  then at least it should be transparent
[23:38] <coz_> has anyone tried  lightspark?