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illuminarisI need help trouble shooting World of Warcraft graphics lag. I'm running an ATI Radeon 9800 PRO and an AMD Athlon XP 1800+ on Ubuntu 11.04 and WINE 1.2.1 in OpenGL mode with about 5-15fps. I've tried all the guides and fixes I can find with no luck.00:50
hackeronquick upstart question - when using exec, how do I execute a process as a different user?01:24
hackeron(i.e. not root)01:24
charlie-tcaMight get the best answers to upstart in #upstart , where the developer of it hangs out01:26
hackeroncharlie-tca: thanks, asking there01:27
charlie-tcaworth a try anyway, right?01:27
hackeroncharlie-tca: they said su - and a future release of upstart will have native support for something like that01:42
hackeroncharlie-tca: seems like a hack but I guess it works :)01:42
charlie-tcahackeron: glad they could help01:58
hackeron:)02:08
h00kI'm having upgrade issues with python2.7-minimal03:28
h00kon my netbook, can't upgrade muh packages, it fails install03:29
h00ksubprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 303:31
h00kbug 68930603:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 689306 in python2.7 (Ubuntu) "package python2.7-minimal 2.7.1-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 3" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68930603:32
h00kooh, I may have to upgrade my maverick first03:34
h00k...I didn't do this before I upgraded to natty03:34
alex_mayorgaCan someone take a look at bug 704261, please?03:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 704261 in gnome-do (Ubuntu) "Image corruption on 11.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70426103:59
alex_mayorgaAlso I somehow ended up with two "Broadcast" entries on the indicator applet, how do I clean that up?04:04
Ohelig! telepathy-butterfly is using 100% cpu. Is there anything I should do to report it as a bug before i end the process?04:44
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)04:44
OheligI have no problem what caused it04:44
Ohelighmm... a bot?04:44
Ohelig!commands04:44
ubottuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal04:44
bazhang!bug | Ohelig04:48
ubottuOhelig: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots04:48
sagaciwhat's the go with the daily-live cd images, the dailys are being updated but not the daily-live isos05:08
sagaciwhat gives05:08
slyrus_mplayer performance with HD videos in natty is unbearable... was pretty good in maverick. a bug or expected behavior due to the development cycle?06:22
leagrishello07:04
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Daekdroom!daily10:09
ubottuDaily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/10:09
Daekdroom!NattyChanges11:23
DaekdroomHm. I need the NattyChanges RSS Feed link11:23
bazhanghttp://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/NattyChanges Daekdroom that?11:29
DaekdroomYep, that.11:29
Daekdroom<311:29
dnivrahello. when I try to upgrade, it says 67 packages available but all are held back. what is wrong?12:39
pr0ph3thi all12:58
bazhangsudo update-manager -d12:58
bazhangpr0ph3t, ^^12:59
pr0ph3tthanks12:59
bazhangnp12:59
pr0ph3t::P12:59
bazhangpr0ph3t, it is alpha one :)12:59
pr0ph3tyes I have it installed12:59
bazhangthat was fast12:59
pr0ph3tso were you :P13:00
bazhanghttp://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/NattyChanges  pr0ph3t you can follow the rss feed on this13:01
pr0ph3tcheers13:02
bazhang:)13:02
BluesKajHi folks13:06
pr0ph3tso Unity is a definite so far13:10
pr0ph3tstill with the choice of going back to classic13:11
bazhangyep13:11
bazhangdefinite crash at this point13:11
pr0ph3tbazhang, what do you mean?13:15
bazhangpr0ph3t, it crashes on me, leaving the traditional gnome desktop13:16
pr0ph3tbazhang, stronger so far in my opinion13:17
pr0ph3tand not just because I am used ot it13:17
pr0ph3tto*13:17
bazhangwell I'm still on it, and its just alpha one, so no complaints :)13:18
pr0ph3tI really like the idea of the side bar13:18
pr0ph3tas an innovation13:18
pr0ph3tbut then the graphical interface seems the least important of the innovations natty will bring13:20
pr0ph3tthings can always change, as you said, it's only alpha 1 at the moment13:21
bazhangyep13:23
bazhangwhoops13:23
meborcnatty does not recognize my acer one netbook battery... is there any way to tell the system it is running on a mobile (laptop) device? I have no battery icon and "acpi" returns nothing13:25
bazhang!find powertop13:25
ubottuFound: powertop13:25
bazhang!info powertop13:25
ubottupowertop (source: powertop): Linux tool to find out what is using power on a laptop. In component main, is extra. Version 1.13-1.1ubuntu1 (natty), package size 34 kB, installed size 140 kB13:25
meborcbazhang, ok, will try... but if the system itself does not know it has a battery, will powertop know it?13:26
bazhangmeborc, sorry that was just out of curiousity, I think the acpid you suggested is more the way to go13:26
bazhangie file a bug13:27
meborcbazhang, that is what i usually use to find out battery % in the command line... but now acpi returns absolutely nothing :(13:27
bazhangmeborc, yep, definite bug13:28
meborcbazhang, what package should I file the bug against? acpi? acpi is not installed by default, there should be something else that determines (checks) if battery present in the system13:28
meborcI have to dig more :D13:29
meborcbazhang, DUDE you rock!... just installed powertop, ran it (not even in root) and battery icon was displayed in the indicator pane13:30
meborcTHANKS13:30
bazhangmeborc, good question, but since my thinkpad battery is really dead and gone, I can't help in this case13:30
meborcbazhang, ^^13:32
meborchave a nice day13:32
meborcbye13:32
bazhangyou too :)13:32
DaekdroomCurrent daily installer is broken :(13:33
patdk-wkheh, my thinkpad battery is almost dead, 30% life left :(13:47
patdk-wkneed to replace it13:47
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alokitowill natty fix the nvidia-glx-96 issue?14:39
bjsniderand what issue is that?14:39
alokitoI can't run maverick in an old pc cuz nvidia 96 driver doesn't work14:39
alokitohave to stay on lucid :(14:40
alokitoit's a xorg compatibility problem14:40
bjsnideryeah14:40
bjsniderwon't be fixed unless nvidia wants to fix it14:40
bjsniderwhich they likely don't14:40
alokitowhy would nvidia want to fix such an old driver14:40
alokitoyup, so only hope is ubuntu devs...14:41
bjsniderno14:41
bjsniderthat is a closed-source driver. we don't touch it14:41
alokitoxorg devs, to be particular14:41
alokitoumm... can't you make a fix or something?14:41
bjsniderwell, the kernel wrapper might be patched, but that's it, everything else is pre-built14:42
alokitowithout changing the driver's source...14:42
alokitookay14:42
bjsniderif you unpack the thing you'll notice that all of the shared libs and the kernel module are already built14:42
alokitoI hope nv supports 3d soon!14:42
bjsnidernobody is working on nv anymore either14:42
bjsnidernouveau is the preferred choice14:42
alokitoyah sorry14:43
alokitoI meant to say nouveau :)14:43
alokitoI heard it's improving14:43
patdk-wkwouldn't it just be so much easier to get a newer video card? they aren't expensive14:43
bjsniderand it does 3d if you install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental14:44
alokitono patdk-wk, it's an old laptop14:44
alokitoacer travelmate 63014:44
patdk-wkoh laptop :(14:44
alokitoI use it as a 24/7 download station14:44
patdk-wksuprised it lasted that long14:44
patdk-wkI can't get a laptop to last >1year14:44
alokitoit doesn't even have a monitor, I run it through vnc14:44
patdk-wkoh, I use mine as an actual laptop, that goes with me 24/714:44
alokitocool14:45
alokitoI'll get a netbook soon14:45
patdk-wkwait, if it's a 24/ downloadstation, why does it need 3d support?14:45
alokitofor vnc...14:45
patdk-wkwhen did vnc support 3d?14:45
alokitovino doesn't work without graphics driver14:45
alokitoI don't like the other servers... they use separate sessions14:46
rorkalokito: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/626974 official bug report, dirty fixes, workarounds and gossip about the but are here14:46
ubottuUbuntu bug 626974 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 (Ubuntu) "ABI change in xorg 1.9 breaks legacy nvidia-96 drivers in Maverick" [Medium,In progress]14:46
alokitoyup I used a workaround before... by falling back to old xorg14:47
bjsnidermaybe the "ignoreabi" option would work14:47
alokitobut then what's the point upgrading to maverick?14:47
alokitoI can run old xorg fine in lucid by default14:48
rorkfor me nothing except that it was the only i368 cd I had around, I use lucid instead which is fine with it's long support14:49
alokitoI use it mainly for torrent download, the laptop14:51
alokitonone of the other clients work as smoothly as ktorrent, but it crashes a lot so I though maverick would fix it...14:51
alokitothought*14:52
DaekdroomHas anyone tried installing with the most recent livecd daily image?14:53
coz_Daekdroom,  I have not... I have been updating  an earlier daily build14:54
alokitoI tried, not much different from maverick except new packages and unity is default de14:54
coz_Daekdroom,   are you having a particular issue?14:54
DaekdroomWell, the partition step in ubiquity is crashing with daily :(14:54
coz_ooo14:54
AmaranthI installed using a daily from the 4th, only thing I had trouble with was encrypted home causing ubiquity to crash14:55
alokitotesting kubuntu should be more fun, I'm not very fond of unity14:55
DaekdroomI liked it the last time I tried, but it's not ready for primetime.14:56
alokitoyup14:57
alokitomaverick alpha 2 was much different from lucid (afaik)14:58
patdk-wkI've neglected my natty :(15:00
patdk-wk702 packages to update15:00
alokitopatdk-wk: you have fast internet?15:00
patdk-wk60MB/s15:00
alokitook then happy updating :D15:00
alokitomine's 60 KB/s15:01
alokito:P15:01
patdk-wklooks like it locked up :(15:01
patdk-wkguess I should just reinstall it15:02
alokitodelete the lock file15:02
patdk-wkI can't cancel apt-get15:02
alokito/var/cache/apt/archives/lock15:02
patdk-wkthat works, if the computer responds to you :)15:02
patdk-wkif it obays the keyboard15:02
alokitosudo apt-get -f install doesn't fix it?15:03
patdk-wkwhat part of, apt-get is running, not doing anything, and control-c doesn't give me a command prompt, and alt-f2 doesn't give me a term window15:03
patdk-wkdo you not get :)15:03
alokitocool :)15:03
alokitothen re-install :P15:03
BluesKajalt+f2 gives the runbox15:04
patdk-wkprobably what I get for running root on btrfs :)15:04
patdk-wkBluesKaj, only if your in X15:04
alokitoif you are using it for testing only better do that in vm15:05
BluesKajpatdk-wk, well that's a given isn't it ...we assume ppl are using a desktop here15:05
alokitosaves you from frustration!15:05
patdk-wkI don't upgrade in the desktop :)15:05
patdk-wkalokito, this is a vm15:05
alokitocool then15:05
BluesKajpatdk-wk, ahha , a purist :)15:06
patdk-wkI'm more concerned about ubuntu-server though than desktop :)15:06
patdk-wkand since I generally run in vm, I care about how it works in vm :)15:06
patdk-wkthough, I did install it on my netbook, and it's pretty nice :)15:07
alokitowifi worked?15:07
patdk-wkI installed maverik netbook version on it also, and quickly killed that15:07
patdk-wkya, wifi worked fine, why wouldn't it?15:07
patdk-wkathoes9k I think it is15:08
alokitoit didn't in lucid... in my hp mini15:08
alokitomaverick works fine15:08
patdk-wklucid/maverick both worked fine15:08
alokitook15:08
BluesKajso far the desktop version seems quite stable , altho dragonplayer crashes , but vlc works fine15:08
patdk-wkmaverick seemed to have almost all my saving power customizations in it already though I noticed15:08
alokitodid you try wlan?15:08
patdk-wkit has no wlan15:09
alokitoI'm getting g speed in n network15:09
alokito?15:09
patdk-wkoh heh15:09
alokitowifi lan file sharing=wlan15:09
alokito:P15:09
patdk-wkya, my netbook is only getting 2.3MB/sec over n15:09
patdk-wkusing scp atleast15:09
alokitosad15:09
patdk-wkcpu claims 40MB/s aes15:09
alokitosame here15:09
BluesKajmy wifi ralink belkin USB adapter worked for about 20 mins then quit , and now refuses to work in network manager15:10
patdk-wkI'm thinking of changing it to WDE though15:10
patdk-wkupgrade 80% done15:10
patdk-wkheh, hit the red button, and redid the upgrade, and it seems to be working15:10
alokitocool15:11
patdk-wkthis has been running since lucid-alpha15:11
patdk-wkjust keep updating it15:11
alokitoI'm installing lucid in the lap15:11
patdk-wkand screwing with it15:11
alokitothrough netboot15:11
patdk-wkupdates done, 560MB downloaded15:12
patdk-wkand it crashed again :(15:12
patdk-wkguess I have to reinstall15:12
alokitolol15:12
alokitoya15:12
knittlanybody else experiencing kernel panics when closing their cd tray?15:20
patdk-wkpeople still have those?15:20
patdk-wk:)15:20
knittlcd/dvd/bluray15:21
knittlwhatever15:21
knittli still call it a cd tray15:21
patdk-wkwish everything was slotload these days15:21
patdk-wkheh, install failed while installing libc, guess try again without doing updates during install15:32
yofelpatdk-wk: during libc-bin ?15:35
patdk-wkya15:35
yofelI get a installation failure for libc-bin every time I try to use muon - which is bug 68032815:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 680328 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "Many postinst scripts fail using either AptDaemon, PackageKit, or QApt" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68032815:36
patdk-wkIt said it was probably a old installer issue, and clicked ok, it said reboot, did, and drive wouldn't boot15:36
yofelnot sure if it's the same issue15:36
yofeldpkg --configure libc-bin in a terminal resolves that, but muon still fails15:36
DaekdroomThis is bad. Looks like there isn't a launchpad bug entry for the thing I'm facing.15:55
patdk-wkoh no, the world will end15:56
DaekdroomYes, it will.15:57
patdk-wkheh, interesting16:03
patdk-wkdkms refused to build anything at all16:04
Ian_CorneAny idea when .38 will be in the repos?16:07
duffoloniousHow do I view the Main Menu in Natty?17:51
yofelI don't think the main menu even exists in natty - at least the natty one isn't ready yet17:52
yofel(it wasn't last time I tried it)17:52
duffoloniousok, because you can start Panel and get back to the old way in natty17:53
duffoloniousbut as far as using the new panel - it doesn't exist - so is that intentional?17:53
duffoloniousyofel: so at the moment it's just not ready... ok17:55
yofelI think, I didn't read the whole design page17:55
yofelbut the button that opens /usr/share/applications/ in nautilus is not going to stay at least17:55
duffoloniousahhh, ok17:59
BluesKajok, installed wicd-kde ...connecttion lasts about 20 mins then drops , testing now with all settings on auto , no dns etc18:07
jadamsanyone else having problems in natty where nvidia compositing just doesn't work?  Happening on 2 machines for me right now, and I don't know the next steps to take to troubleshoot it18:36
charlie-tcayou do have the hardware drivers installed, right?18:37
jadamsyeah18:42
jadamsI actually have the nvidia drivers installed from their website18:42
jadamsI did that when this problem started18:42
yofelkwin compositing works fine with nvidia-current and my 250GTS and NVS 3100M here18:42
yofelouch18:42
jadamsperhaps I should purge that and just use the repo-provided ones again18:42
yofeljadams: you did rebuild them after every kernel update?18:42
yofelas long as you do that and have nouveau manually blacklisted they should work fine18:43
jadamsyofel, yeah, I rebuilt them after every update18:43
jadamsand they work fine-ish18:43
jadamsbut compositing wasn't working18:43
jadamshow do I manually blacklist nouveau?  It def. wasn't in place because nvidia-settings worked / reported nvidia in use18:44
yofelhm, got a Xorg log where compositing doesn't work?18:44
jadamsXorg doesn't show it failing18:44
jadamsbut nothing recognizes it as working18:44
jadamsXorg shows that it processed the Composite "1" line fine18:44
yofeljadams: the package blacklists it, if you don't use the package you have to blacklist it yourself (in /etc/modprobe.d/)18:44
jadamsbut docky fails, desktop effects fail, etc18:44
yofelthis is the package blacklist file http://paste.ubuntu.com/555509/18:45
bjsniderjadams, you should not install the package from nvidia's website. you should use jockey to install the recommended driver18:49
bjsnideryofel, do you have jockey-common installed?18:53
yofelhm? I do18:54
bjsnideri think most people do18:58
bjsnidertrying to figure out what percentage of users don't have it18:58
PolitikerNEU_Hi, is natty already stable enough to browser e.g. the internet?19:06
patdk-wkI never thought it wasn't19:07
patdk-wkI'm sure that depends exactly on your hardware though19:07
PolitikerNEU_ok, so I will try it (hardly ever use this computer anyway ...)19:07
PolitikerNEU_Well - there have already been some ubuntu alpha/betas with firefox crashing all the time19:08
PolitikerNEU_that's why I ask19:08
patdk-wkthere have?19:08
patdk-wkI haven't had once, but only been using the alpha/beta's since karmic19:09
yofelfirefox 4.0 b7 was pretty crashy here, but I think current b9 should work fine - I'm using the daily build and haven't had a crash in weeks19:17
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knittlssl in apache is broken since my upgrade to natty19:51
knittldo i have to reconfigure something?19:52
PiciHave you filed a bug?19:58
knittlPici: not yet, usually there's already a bug19:59
knittlalthough i was unable to find it19:59
magn3ticsHas anyone ever given consideration to making a common API for file browser plugins?20:15
magn3ticsThat way I would feel better about making an application that really utilizes GUI driven file management extensions?20:15
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evilvishyofel: told ya we will be coming for ya .. 11.10 Qt on CD .. then total domination.. ;p20:51
yofelthe better Qt gets, the better KDE will get :P20:52
evilvishQML gwibber demo was very interesting..20:54
Volkodavhmm I can't open animation in ccsm ?21:56
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BUGabundoman... my desktop is all messed up22:25
BUGabundocompiz specially22:25
Volkodav+122:26
BUGabundoI just booted into a kernel trace *while* I was on the desktop22:26
BUGabundodisk and mouse still working22:26
BUGabundolol it was like a wallpaper :S22:26
VolkodavI can't open animation in ccsm  and it acts weird too22:26
BUGabundoI guess ill have to turn something off22:28
BUGabundoand composite is broken22:28
BUGabundoso is notify22:28
Volkodavwhat else is new22:34
BUGabundolol22:35
DaekdroomAww. Compiz has a few regressions in Classic GNOME :(22:35
BUGabundo"few"? ahah22:36
Daekdroomwell, mostly new bugs22:38
DaekdroomI might as well use composited metacity for the meantime22:45
BUGabundoI'll miss a lot of compiz stuff :(22:46
BUGabundobut this is worse22:46
* yofel makes a tiny hint that it would be the perfect time to try KDE22:46
BUGabundoagain?22:47
BUGabundobeen there, done that22:47
BUGabundoI'm not a KDE guy22:47
yofelheh22:47
BUGabundoeven when I was with aseigo and npinheiro22:47
BUGabundowe are friends22:47
kim0Does nvidia-vdpau seem to not work for anyone else in natty ?22:52
coz_hey guys.. has anyone noticed  these white triangles showing up on certain docks..dialogs..or applications?  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/white-triangle.png22:54
DaekdroomYep. They show up at the panel in here22:55
coz_Daekdroom,  ah aha... ok  ... are you by chance using cairo dock22:56
BUGabundoI see ONE in my top bar22:56
BUGabundounder the clock22:56
BUGabundoin the most right22:56
coz_BUGabundo,   interesting... this started last week  after updates22:56
BUGabundonaaa22:56
BUGabundobeen there for weeks22:56
coz_no?22:56
BUGabundoits making my OCD go balistic22:57
coz_BUGabundo,  oh :) ok  then I must have just noticed it about a week ago22:57
kim0that's a window resizing handle .. yaay :)23:06
coz_kim0,  well it has to go   :)23:07
coz_kim0,  also.. if it was "window" resizing handle...why isnt it showing on windows  themselves?23:08
coz_maybe it is23:08
coz_hard to tell white on white :)23:09
DaekdroomThat shouldn't show up on gnome-panel, really23:10
coz_no it shouldnt23:10
coz_ if this is going to be used  then at least it should be transparent23:11
coz_has anyone tried  lightspark?23:38

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