[00:50] I need help trouble shooting World of Warcraft graphics lag. I'm running an ATI Radeon 9800 PRO and an AMD Athlon XP 1800+ on Ubuntu 11.04 and WINE 1.2.1 in OpenGL mode with about 5-15fps. I've tried all the guides and fixes I can find with no luck. [01:24] quick upstart question - when using exec, how do I execute a process as a different user? [01:24] (i.e. not root) [01:26] Might get the best answers to upstart in #upstart , where the developer of it hangs out [01:27] charlie-tca: thanks, asking there [01:27] worth a try anyway, right? [01:42] charlie-tca: they said su - and a future release of upstart will have native support for something like that [01:42] charlie-tca: seems like a hack but I guess it works :) [01:58] hackeron: glad they could help [02:08] :) [03:28] I'm having upgrade issues with python2.7-minimal [03:29] on my netbook, can't upgrade muh packages, it fails install [03:31] subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 3 [03:32] bug 689306 [03:32] Launchpad bug 689306 in python2.7 (Ubuntu) "package python2.7-minimal 2.7.1-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 3" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/689306 [03:34] ooh, I may have to upgrade my maverick first [03:34] ...I didn't do this before I upgraded to natty [03:59] Can someone take a look at bug 704261, please? [03:59] Launchpad bug 704261 in gnome-do (Ubuntu) "Image corruption on 11.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/704261 [04:04] Also I somehow ended up with two "Broadcast" entries on the indicator applet, how do I clean that up? [04:44] ! telepathy-butterfly is using 100% cpu. Is there anything I should do to report it as a bug before i end the process? [04:44] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [04:44] I have no problem what caused it [04:44] hmm... a bot? [04:44] !commands [04:44] The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome), K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE), or Menu -> Accessories -> LXTerminal (LXDE). Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal [04:48] !bug | Ohelig [04:48] Ohelig: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [05:08] what's the go with the daily-live cd images, the dailys are being updated but not the daily-live isos [05:08] what gives [06:22] mplayer performance with HD videos in natty is unbearable... was pretty good in maverick. a bug or expected behavior due to the development cycle? [07:04] hello === zniavre_ is now known as zniavre [10:09] !daily [10:09] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [11:23] !NattyChanges [11:23] Hm. I need the NattyChanges RSS Feed link [11:29] http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/NattyChanges Daekdroom that? [11:29] Yep, that. [11:29] <3 [12:39] hello. when I try to upgrade, it says 67 packages available but all are held back. what is wrong? [12:58] hi all [12:58] sudo update-manager -d [12:59] pr0ph3t, ^^ [12:59] thanks [12:59] np [12:59] ::P [12:59] pr0ph3t, it is alpha one :) [12:59] yes I have it installed [12:59] that was fast [13:00] so were you :P [13:01] http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/NattyChanges pr0ph3t you can follow the rss feed on this [13:02] cheers [13:02] :) [13:06] Hi folks [13:10] so Unity is a definite so far [13:11] still with the choice of going back to classic [13:11] yep [13:11] definite crash at this point [13:15] bazhang, what do you mean? [13:16] pr0ph3t, it crashes on me, leaving the traditional gnome desktop [13:17] bazhang, stronger so far in my opinion [13:17] and not just because I am used ot it [13:17] to* [13:18] well I'm still on it, and its just alpha one, so no complaints :) [13:18] I really like the idea of the side bar [13:18] as an innovation [13:20] but then the graphical interface seems the least important of the innovations natty will bring [13:21] things can always change, as you said, it's only alpha 1 at the moment [13:23] yep [13:23] whoops [13:25] natty does not recognize my acer one netbook battery... is there any way to tell the system it is running on a mobile (laptop) device? I have no battery icon and "acpi" returns nothing [13:25] !find powertop [13:25] Found: powertop [13:25] !info powertop [13:25] powertop (source: powertop): Linux tool to find out what is using power on a laptop. In component main, is extra. Version 1.13-1.1ubuntu1 (natty), package size 34 kB, installed size 140 kB [13:26] bazhang, ok, will try... but if the system itself does not know it has a battery, will powertop know it? [13:26] meborc, sorry that was just out of curiousity, I think the acpid you suggested is more the way to go [13:27] ie file a bug [13:27] bazhang, that is what i usually use to find out battery % in the command line... but now acpi returns absolutely nothing :( [13:28] meborc, yep, definite bug [13:28] bazhang, what package should I file the bug against? acpi? acpi is not installed by default, there should be something else that determines (checks) if battery present in the system [13:29] I have to dig more :D [13:30] bazhang, DUDE you rock!... just installed powertop, ran it (not even in root) and battery icon was displayed in the indicator pane [13:30] THANKS [13:30] meborc, good question, but since my thinkpad battery is really dead and gone, I can't help in this case [13:32] bazhang, ^^ [13:32] have a nice day [13:32] bye [13:32] you too :) [13:33] Current daily installer is broken :( [13:47] heh, my thinkpad battery is almost dead, 30% life left :( [13:47] need to replace it === yofel_ is now known as yofel === yaaar_ is now known as yaaar === dgjones is now known as DJones [14:39] will natty fix the nvidia-glx-96 issue? [14:39] and what issue is that? [14:39] I can't run maverick in an old pc cuz nvidia 96 driver doesn't work [14:40] have to stay on lucid :( [14:40] it's a xorg compatibility problem [14:40] yeah [14:40] won't be fixed unless nvidia wants to fix it [14:40] which they likely don't [14:40] why would nvidia want to fix such an old driver [14:41] yup, so only hope is ubuntu devs... [14:41] no [14:41] that is a closed-source driver. we don't touch it [14:41] xorg devs, to be particular [14:41] umm... can't you make a fix or something? [14:42] well, the kernel wrapper might be patched, but that's it, everything else is pre-built [14:42] without changing the driver's source... [14:42] okay [14:42] if you unpack the thing you'll notice that all of the shared libs and the kernel module are already built [14:42] I hope nv supports 3d soon! [14:42] nobody is working on nv anymore either [14:42] nouveau is the preferred choice [14:43] yah sorry [14:43] I meant to say nouveau :) [14:43] I heard it's improving [14:43] wouldn't it just be so much easier to get a newer video card? they aren't expensive [14:44] and it does 3d if you install libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental [14:44] no patdk-wk, it's an old laptop [14:44] acer travelmate 630 [14:44] oh laptop :( [14:44] I use it as a 24/7 download station [14:44] suprised it lasted that long [14:44] I can't get a laptop to last >1year [14:44] it doesn't even have a monitor, I run it through vnc [14:44] oh, I use mine as an actual laptop, that goes with me 24/7 [14:45] cool [14:45] I'll get a netbook soon [14:45] wait, if it's a 24/ downloadstation, why does it need 3d support? [14:45] for vnc... [14:45] when did vnc support 3d? [14:45] vino doesn't work without graphics driver [14:46] I don't like the other servers... they use separate sessions [14:46] alokito: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/626974 official bug report, dirty fixes, workarounds and gossip about the but are here [14:46] Ubuntu bug 626974 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 (Ubuntu) "ABI change in xorg 1.9 breaks legacy nvidia-96 drivers in Maverick" [Medium,In progress] [14:47] yup I used a workaround before... by falling back to old xorg [14:47] maybe the "ignoreabi" option would work [14:47] but then what's the point upgrading to maverick? [14:48] I can run old xorg fine in lucid by default [14:49] for me nothing except that it was the only i368 cd I had around, I use lucid instead which is fine with it's long support [14:51] I use it mainly for torrent download, the laptop [14:51] none of the other clients work as smoothly as ktorrent, but it crashes a lot so I though maverick would fix it... [14:52] thought* [14:53] Has anyone tried installing with the most recent livecd daily image? [14:54] Daekdroom, I have not... I have been updating an earlier daily build [14:54] I tried, not much different from maverick except new packages and unity is default de [14:54] Daekdroom, are you having a particular issue? [14:54] Well, the partition step in ubiquity is crashing with daily :( [14:54] ooo [14:55] I installed using a daily from the 4th, only thing I had trouble with was encrypted home causing ubiquity to crash [14:55] testing kubuntu should be more fun, I'm not very fond of unity [14:56] I liked it the last time I tried, but it's not ready for primetime. [14:57] yup [14:58] maverick alpha 2 was much different from lucid (afaik) [15:00] I've neglected my natty :( [15:00] 702 packages to update [15:00] patdk-wk: you have fast internet? [15:00] 60MB/s [15:00] ok then happy updating :D [15:01] mine's 60 KB/s [15:01] :P [15:01] looks like it locked up :( [15:02] guess I should just reinstall it [15:02] delete the lock file [15:02] I can't cancel apt-get [15:02] /var/cache/apt/archives/lock [15:02] that works, if the computer responds to you :) [15:02] if it obays the keyboard [15:03] sudo apt-get -f install doesn't fix it? [15:03] what part of, apt-get is running, not doing anything, and control-c doesn't give me a command prompt, and alt-f2 doesn't give me a term window [15:03] do you not get :) [15:03] cool :) [15:03] then re-install :P [15:04] alt+f2 gives the runbox [15:04] probably what I get for running root on btrfs :) [15:04] BluesKaj, only if your in X [15:05] if you are using it for testing only better do that in vm [15:05] patdk-wk, well that's a given isn't it ...we assume ppl are using a desktop here [15:05] saves you from frustration! [15:05] I don't upgrade in the desktop :) [15:05] alokito, this is a vm [15:05] cool then [15:06] patdk-wk, ahha , a purist :) [15:06] I'm more concerned about ubuntu-server though than desktop :) [15:06] and since I generally run in vm, I care about how it works in vm :) [15:07] though, I did install it on my netbook, and it's pretty nice :) [15:07] wifi worked? [15:07] I installed maverik netbook version on it also, and quickly killed that [15:07] ya, wifi worked fine, why wouldn't it? [15:08] athoes9k I think it is [15:08] it didn't in lucid... in my hp mini [15:08] maverick works fine [15:08] lucid/maverick both worked fine [15:08] ok [15:08] so far the desktop version seems quite stable , altho dragonplayer crashes , but vlc works fine [15:08] maverick seemed to have almost all my saving power customizations in it already though I noticed [15:08] did you try wlan? [15:09] it has no wlan [15:09] I'm getting g speed in n network [15:09] ? [15:09] oh heh [15:09] wifi lan file sharing=wlan [15:09] :P [15:09] ya, my netbook is only getting 2.3MB/sec over n [15:09] using scp atleast [15:09] sad [15:09] cpu claims 40MB/s aes [15:09] same here [15:10] my wifi ralink belkin USB adapter worked for about 20 mins then quit , and now refuses to work in network manager [15:10] I'm thinking of changing it to WDE though [15:10] upgrade 80% done [15:10] heh, hit the red button, and redid the upgrade, and it seems to be working [15:11] cool [15:11] this has been running since lucid-alpha [15:11] just keep updating it [15:11] I'm installing lucid in the lap [15:11] and screwing with it [15:11] through netboot [15:12] updates done, 560MB downloaded [15:12] and it crashed again :( [15:12] guess I have to reinstall [15:12] lol [15:12] ya [15:20] anybody else experiencing kernel panics when closing their cd tray? [15:20] people still have those? [15:20] :) [15:21] cd/dvd/bluray [15:21] whatever [15:21] i still call it a cd tray [15:21] wish everything was slotload these days [15:32] heh, install failed while installing libc, guess try again without doing updates during install [15:35] patdk-wk: during libc-bin ? [15:35] ya [15:36] I get a installation failure for libc-bin every time I try to use muon - which is bug 680328 [15:36] Launchpad bug 680328 in dpkg (Ubuntu) "Many postinst scripts fail using either AptDaemon, PackageKit, or QApt" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/680328 [15:36] It said it was probably a old installer issue, and clicked ok, it said reboot, did, and drive wouldn't boot [15:36] not sure if it's the same issue [15:36] dpkg --configure libc-bin in a terminal resolves that, but muon still fails [15:55] This is bad. Looks like there isn't a launchpad bug entry for the thing I'm facing. [15:56] oh no, the world will end [15:57] Yes, it will. [16:03] heh, interesting [16:04] dkms refused to build anything at all [16:07] Any idea when .38 will be in the repos? [17:51] How do I view the Main Menu in Natty? [17:52] I don't think the main menu even exists in natty - at least the natty one isn't ready yet [17:52] (it wasn't last time I tried it) [17:53] ok, because you can start Panel and get back to the old way in natty [17:53] but as far as using the new panel - it doesn't exist - so is that intentional? [17:55] yofel: so at the moment it's just not ready... ok [17:55] I think, I didn't read the whole design page [17:55] but the button that opens /usr/share/applications/ in nautilus is not going to stay at least [17:59] ahhh, ok [18:07] ok, installed wicd-kde ...connecttion lasts about 20 mins then drops , testing now with all settings on auto , no dns etc [18:36] anyone else having problems in natty where nvidia compositing just doesn't work? Happening on 2 machines for me right now, and I don't know the next steps to take to troubleshoot it [18:37] you do have the hardware drivers installed, right? [18:42] yeah [18:42] I actually have the nvidia drivers installed from their website [18:42] I did that when this problem started [18:42] kwin compositing works fine with nvidia-current and my 250GTS and NVS 3100M here [18:42] ouch [18:42] perhaps I should purge that and just use the repo-provided ones again [18:42] jadams: you did rebuild them after every kernel update? [18:43] as long as you do that and have nouveau manually blacklisted they should work fine [18:43] yofel, yeah, I rebuilt them after every update [18:43] and they work fine-ish [18:43] but compositing wasn't working [18:44] how do I manually blacklist nouveau? It def. wasn't in place because nvidia-settings worked / reported nvidia in use [18:44] hm, got a Xorg log where compositing doesn't work? [18:44] Xorg doesn't show it failing [18:44] but nothing recognizes it as working [18:44] Xorg shows that it processed the Composite "1" line fine [18:44] jadams: the package blacklists it, if you don't use the package you have to blacklist it yourself (in /etc/modprobe.d/) [18:44] but docky fails, desktop effects fail, etc [18:45] this is the package blacklist file http://paste.ubuntu.com/555509/ [18:49] jadams, you should not install the package from nvidia's website. you should use jockey to install the recommended driver [18:53] yofel, do you have jockey-common installed? [18:54] hm? I do [18:58] i think most people do [18:58] trying to figure out what percentage of users don't have it [19:06] Hi, is natty already stable enough to browser e.g. the internet? [19:07] I never thought it wasn't [19:07] I'm sure that depends exactly on your hardware though [19:07] ok, so I will try it (hardly ever use this computer anyway ...) [19:08] Well - there have already been some ubuntu alpha/betas with firefox crashing all the time [19:08] that's why I ask [19:08] there have? [19:09] I haven't had once, but only been using the alpha/beta's since karmic [19:17] firefox 4.0 b7 was pretty crashy here, but I think current b9 should work fine - I'm using the daily build and haven't had a crash in weeks === zniavre_ is now known as zniavre [19:51] ssl in apache is broken since my upgrade to natty [19:52] do i have to reconfigure something? [19:58] Have you filed a bug? [19:59] Pici: not yet, usually there's already a bug [19:59] although i was unable to find it [20:15] Has anyone ever given consideration to making a common API for file browser plugins? [20:15] That way I would feel better about making an application that really utilizes GUI driven file management extensions? === lynx is now known as Guest521 [20:51] yofel: told ya we will be coming for ya .. 11.10 Qt on CD .. then total domination.. ;p [20:52] the better Qt gets, the better KDE will get :P [20:54] QML gwibber demo was very interesting.. [21:56] hmm I can't open animation in ccsm ? === vivid` is now known as vivid [22:25] man... my desktop is all messed up [22:25] compiz specially [22:26] +1 [22:26] I just booted into a kernel trace *while* I was on the desktop [22:26] disk and mouse still working [22:26] lol it was like a wallpaper :S [22:26] I can't open animation in ccsm and it acts weird too [22:28] I guess ill have to turn something off [22:28] and composite is broken [22:28] so is notify [22:34] what else is new [22:35] lol [22:35] Aww. Compiz has a few regressions in Classic GNOME :( [22:36] "few"? ahah [22:38] well, mostly new bugs [22:45] I might as well use composited metacity for the meantime [22:46] I'll miss a lot of compiz stuff :( [22:46] but this is worse [22:46] * yofel makes a tiny hint that it would be the perfect time to try KDE [22:47] again? [22:47] been there, done that [22:47] I'm not a KDE guy [22:47] heh [22:47] even when I was with aseigo and npinheiro [22:47] we are friends [22:52] Does nvidia-vdpau seem to not work for anyone else in natty ? [22:54] hey guys.. has anyone noticed these white triangles showing up on certain docks..dialogs..or applications? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/white-triangle.png [22:55] Yep. They show up at the panel in here [22:56] Daekdroom, ah aha... ok ... are you by chance using cairo dock [22:56] I see ONE in my top bar [22:56] under the clock [22:56] in the most right [22:56] BUGabundo, interesting... this started last week after updates [22:56] naaa [22:56] been there for weeks [22:56] no? [22:57] its making my OCD go balistic [22:57] BUGabundo, oh :) ok then I must have just noticed it about a week ago [23:06] that's a window resizing handle .. yaay :) [23:07] kim0, well it has to go :) [23:08] kim0, also.. if it was "window" resizing handle...why isnt it showing on windows themselves? [23:08] maybe it is [23:09] hard to tell white on white :) [23:10] That shouldn't show up on gnome-panel, really [23:10] no it shouldnt [23:11] if this is going to be used then at least it should be transparent [23:38] has anyone tried lightspark?