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* ebroder grumbles01:00
ebroderhas dbus, like, forgotten how to support eavesdropping at some point?01:00
ebroderoh, no. my match expression to dbus-monitor was just wrong01:09
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ebroderhmm...i just saw a zombie process parented to init that wasn't getting reaped. that seems unexpected, no?02:20
ebroder(i'm not sure yet whether i can reproduce it)02:20
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happygilmoregenthey room04:39
happygilmoregentanyone a developer for ubuntu?04:40
micahghappygilmoregent: indeed04:41
happygilmoregentwhy didd you chhoose to start in runlevel 2?04:41
* micahg didn't choose it :)04:41
happygilmoregentwhat do you mean?04:42
happygilmoregentwhy does ubuntu start in runlevel two?04:43
RAOFBecause runlevels are, roughly speaking, an entirely obsolete legacy idiom?04:43
keeshappygilmoregent: that's a default ubuntu inherited from debian04:43
happygilmoregentok i run gentoo and it does graphical login in runlevel 504:44
ebroderdifferent distributions interpret the different runlevels differently05:50
ebroderdebian doesn't distinguish between graphical and non-graphical boots by changing runlevels05:50
ebroderso ubuntu doesn't either05:50
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jon8Hey guys, i completely understand that this is developer's channel but many people in #ubuntu can provide me with a solid answer.06:58
jon8Is there anything other than, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/maverick-changes -- that can provide a person with some sort of interface as to when new packages come out and why? Almost like an RSS Feed of sorts if you think about it.06:59
mase_wkjon8: you mean other than just using apt it's self ?07:00
jon8yes07:00
ebroderjon8: googling for [natty-changes rss] gets me http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=159643707:00
jon8i do sudo apt-get update/upgrade atleast once a day07:00
jon8sorry, i should of speficied maverick07:01
mase_wkjon8: what are you trying to achieve?07:01
ebroderjon8: i'd encourage you to look at the link i just sent and make the obvious modification07:01
jon8yah :P07:01
jon8mase_wk nothing specific really.. just a way to keep up with updates eaiser and to see whats being made available07:02
jon8was just a general question at the end of it tbh.. and no one in #ubuntu really had an answer when i asked earlier today07:02
jon8but http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/MaverickChanges is pretty much exactly what i was looking for, thank you.07:02
jon8I'll take off now as I dont belong here :)07:02
jon8Thanks for the awesome OS you guys work so hard on!07:03
dholbachgood morning08:16
pittiGood morning08:29
pittiandreserl: I am; but why are you polling it? shouldn't select() work just fine on this?08:29
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ebroderOh man. I bet the CD space reclamation session at UDS-O will be fun10:40
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apwif i pull a bzr branch for a package and it only contains the debian directory, is there a magic incantion to instantiate the source i should be aware of, or am i on my own11:14
TeTeTapw: try ./debian/rules get-current-source11:15
pittiapw: uusally "bzr bd-do" or "bzr bd -S" or "bzr bd -- -b", depending on what you want to do11:15
pittiapw: the second/third build source/binaries, the first throws you into a shell with the upacked source, lets you hack on it, and if you exit with 0, it copies back the changes to debian/ to the original tree11:16
pittiapw: that's from bzr-builddeb11:16
TeTeTpitti: nice, never knew about bd-do11:17
apwpitti i want to apply a patch to the package, so i guess i want the former11:17
pittiTeTeT, apw: documentation (shocking!): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Bzr11:17
TeTeThe he11:17
pittiapw: yes, there you can try it out, and if it works, exit 011:17
apwpitti, thanks will give it a bash11:18
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pittiapw: bd is actually quite clever with that; if the orig.tar.gz is not there already, it first tries apt-get source, then debian/watch, then uscan, and finally get-orig-source11:28
pittii. e. if there is any automatic way to get the source at all, it should get it11:28
apwpitti, ahh yes, it has a watch cool11:33
apwcan someone tell me how to unlink a bzr branch which is in 'svn mode' and trying to push my changes on commit?11:37
pittiapw: try "bzr unbind"?11:38
* ogra sighs, webkit still uninstallable ?11:38
pittiogra: today's CDs finaly built, so it should work now11:38
ograpitti, not for arm11:38
* ogra wonders why he doesnt get any biold failure mails for x86 anymore11:38
apwpitti, thats the ticket, thanks11:39
ograoh, because i only get mails for ubuntu-netbook ...11:39
apwso i have found a bug in avahi, triggered by kernel changes to fix a bug, now i've pushed that change to the avahi upstream, would we normally apply things like that in ubuntu as well?11:46
apwgiven it has to get released by them, then picked up by debian, and then sync'd to ubuntu11:46
apw(the fix to the kernel won't hit ubuntu for a few days yet)11:47
sladenapw: is it a OMG critical/data loss/unbootable machines/BIOS bricker?11:48
apwsladen, it prevents avahi working in such a way that remote logins no longer seem to work11:49
sladenapw: main thing is to ensure that it's tracked, so you can keep tabs on its progress via upstream and Debian and knowingly know when it actually hits the distro kernal packagse11:49
sladenapw: what type of remote logins?  10.04 LTS server SSH logins?11:50
apwsladen, i mean ssh logins, the issue only affects natty at the moment11:50
sladenapw: does it have a reasonable workaround, eg. typing an IP address in directly?11:50
apwsladen, nope, no work around that i've found other than shutting down avahi on the machine itself11:50
apwsladen, ie none that helps if you are remote11:50
sladenapw: what's the bug number?11:51
cjwatsonit's not unreasonable to backport a change to Ubuntu ahead of the usual trickle-down, if it's needed11:51
apwbug #70437211:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 704372 in avahi (Ubuntu) "avahi-daemon hangs 'starting up' with v2.6.38 based kernels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70437211:51
apwsladen, as i say, its something that won't hit until i upload the first 2.6.38 based kernel, but thats not likely to be more than a week out11:52
Laneyyeah, avahi isn't currently in sync anyway11:52
LaneyI wouldn't say it's a big deal to backport the patch11:52
apwi am only seeing it because my dogfood is extremly warm11:52
Laneyyou might consider making Debian aware though if it's going to affect them11:52
ograRiddell, around ?11:53
apwLaney, good point, will mention it over there ->11:53
sladenapw: is there scope to upload the avahi package first and set the appropriate Depends:/Breaks: ?11:53
sladenapw: which should hopefully mean that regardless of how warm or creative people's dogfood is they can never actually manage to get themselves into a corner11:54
cjwatsonrelationships against kernel packages never work very well due to the constantly shifting package names11:55
apwsladen, cirtainly there isn't any difficulty waiting till the avahi changes are in the archive11:55
apwcjwatson, indeed ...11:55
apwfor now i will wait and see how quick upstream reacts to the report11:56
apwi have the changes for ubuntu in a branch on that bug, should we need to apply it locally first11:56
sladenapw: I'd defer to cjwatson for the best solution.  My personal hunch would be to send it upstream (which you've done), wait a couple of days and if it gets to the stage of knowing that the kernel upload needs to be done, apply the avahi fix to natty (which you've got in the branch) and after that has cleared, then upload the kernel update11:59
apwsladen, sounds like a reasonable plan to me12:00
sladenapw: the bigger stress is knowing that if the kernel gets backported to 10.04/10.10 to upload avahi to those first too (if those versions are similiarly afflicted)12:01
apwsladen, oh crap, good point, lts backports ... bah12:01
apwwill add that to the checklist12:02
apwwh12:02
apwwhich i will go and invent12:02
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lifelesspitti: hi13:25
lifelesspitti: looks like some retracer service is still using edge13:25
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amitkhow often is the NEW queue processed?13:45
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cjwatsonamitk: a few times a week to varying depths13:51
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andreserlpitti: howdy!! To tell you the truth I didn't write the Monitor, someone contribute it. However, I simplified/integrated it with PowerNap. I'll make it available in a bit for you to take a look at it14:20
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pittilifeless: hi; yes, that's possible, I don't update them that often14:23
micahgpitti: good morning, I was wondering, should I worry about changing from a native to a non-native package for an SRU if it's more appropriate?14:32
pittimicahg: I wouldn't do it; it shouldn't help to fix a real problem for the user, and might just cause confusion14:32
micahgpitti: ok, I'll fix it in natty though, I need to update the thunderbird translations for the lucid point release14:33
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pittimicahg: that sounds good, thank you14:37
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andreserlpitti: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~andreserl/powernap/monitors/view/head:/powernap/monitors/InputMonitor.py14:54
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pittiandreserl: ah, that looks fine14:59
andreserlpitti: awesome them. Should be integrating them completely with PowerNap within this week15:00
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mdeslaurIs a broken messaging indicator a known issue? Ie: I click on it and nothing happens? (other indicators work)15:30
TanguyHello.15:31
mdeslaurtedg: ^15:31
TanguyI am a Debian Maintainer, and I am planning to maintain the package libasyncns on Debian, which has been quite abandonned the last years.15:32
TanguyI have just seen that it has been updated in Ubuntu.15:32
TanguyThe Maintainer fields names “Ubuntu Developers”.15:32
TanguyIs there something I should do to coordinate with them to maintain it in Debian?15:33
ograTanguy, if y package was eitrher manually merged or touched in any other way in ubuntu, the maintainer field is rewritten15:33
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ograbest is to check the changelog in ubuntu15:33
Tanguyogra: This is what I did.15:33
TanguyUbuntu currently has a fork of the Debian package.15:34
bdmurraydoko_: bug 504198 seems to have regressed for me15:34
ograa fork ?15:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 504198 in eglibc (Ubuntu Lucid) "locale support broken on upgrade to latest eglibc" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50419815:34
LaneyIf there are no changes in Ubuntu that aren't in Debian (or if they can be dropped) then the package can be synced15:34
ograright15:34
tedgmdeslaur, If you're talking about anything with webkit, probably.  It seems like everything is segfaulting for me right now (liferea/gwibber/etc)15:34
Tanguyogra: Well, I mean, it has been modified, that makes it a kind of forked development.15:34
ograwe usually dont fork packages15:34
cjwatson"branch" :)15:34
ograthere might be ubuntu patches on top indeed15:35
mdeslaurtedg: the menu just doesn't draw at all, nothing15:35
TanguyWell, this patch is: update from oooold version 0.3 to the last version 0.8.15:35
ograyeah, branch + ubuntu patches is possible, the core should still be debian15:35
ograawww, thats indeed a big patch15:35
TanguyIt is not maintained as a patch.15:35
tedgmdeslaur, Uhm, that's odd.  Do you have any menus?  Sometimes they end up getting stacked behind the desktop.15:35
TanguyThis is why I am speaking of a fork.15:35
cjwatsonif a new version of the package in Debian can be shown to be a superset of what we currently have in Ubuntu, then it's fairly straightforward for us to go back to just copying the package from Debian verbatim15:35
cjwatsonfork/branch terminology notwithstanding15:36
TanguyYes, sure, this is what I would like to see. :-)15:36
cjwatsonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess15:36
ograyeah, just make 0.8 available in debian15:36
mdeslaurtedg: this is with classic desktop. Indicator sound and the network manager indicators are working fine15:36
Tanguycjwatson: Does that fact that the package has been forked affect the sync process?15:36
cjwatsonTanguy: it just means that somebody has to assess whether any of the Ubuntu changes are still needed; not otherwise15:37
mdeslaurtedg: the message indicator, when clicked, draws the decorations around the icon as if it's displaying the menu, but no menu gets drawn underneath15:37
cjwatsonTanguy: oh, since it's a new upstream in Ubuntu, the .orig.tar.gz will need to match between Debian and Ubuntu15:37
TanguyIt will. :-)15:38
cjwatsonhopefully it's just a copy of the upstream tarball, but I haven't checked15:38
ograif it will, its likely very trivial15:38
Tanguy(unless it has been repacked in Ubuntu, but it hsould not be the case)15:38
tedgmdeslaur, Hmm.  Classic desktop ==  Legacy old-crufty-stick-in-the-mud-developer interface?  ;)15:38
cjwatsonjudging from the modification timestamps, it hasn't15:38
tedgmdeslaur, Is the indicator-messages-service running?15:38
mdeslaurtedg: classic desktop = waiting for unity workspace support to not suck15:38
* cjwatson just loves being pejoratively labelled ...15:39
cjwatson(tedg)15:39
mdeslaurtedg: yes, it's running15:39
TanguySo, when I update the package in Debian, I should file a bug report asking for a sync, right?15:39
cjwatsonTanguy: yep15:39
TanguyThanks.15:39
cjwatsonfor best results, use 'requestsync --lp libasyncns natty'15:40
cjwatson(ubuntu-dev-tools)15:40
cjwatsonthat writes the bug report in a form such that our automated tools can pick it up easily15:40
mdeslaurtedg: I'll switch to unity in a few minutes, to see if it's working there15:41
tedgmdeslaur, Hmm, yeah.  I'm not sure what's up then.  You can try Unity, but it really shouldn't be different...15:41
tedgmdeslaur, Basically, for the menus, the same code runs.15:41
mdeslaurweird15:41
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mdeslaurtedg: all menus are broken in unity15:46
tedgmdeslaur, you can try to see if you get a menu with this: /usr/lib/libdbusmenu/dbusmenu-dumper -d com.canonical.indicator.messages -o /com/canonical/indicator/messages/menu15:46
tedgmdeslaur, Uhg15:46
mdeslaurtedg: I don't seem to have dbusmenu-dumper15:46
hallynoh, yeah - and 'unity --reset' is no longer  an option bc unity disappeared15:47
tedgmdeslaur, http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/libdbusmenu-tools15:47
mdeslaurtedg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/555436/15:49
tedgmdeslaur, Uhm... that seems completely reasonable...15:51
mdeslaurtedg: hmm...clicking on the unity launcher makes it disappear15:51
mdeslaurtedg: and when I click the desktop again, it comes back15:51
didrocksmdeslaur: sounds like a stacking issue, does it still react when you click on it (when disappeared)?15:52
mdeslaurdidrocks: I made it disappear like 10 times in a row, and then the top panel disappeared, reappeared and now the launcher is behaving properly15:54
didrocksmdeslaur: probably the stacking then15:54
mdeslauroh! and I now have menus!15:54
mdeslauroh, except menus are drawing underneath all the other windows15:55
mdeslaurdidrocks: yeah, stacking issue :(15:55
didrocksmdeslaur: known issue then :(15:55
* mdeslaur goes back to the old-crufty-stick-in-the-mud-developer interface15:56
tedgmdeslaur, heh ;)15:56
Riddellcjwatson: I trained up didrocks in archive admin tasks last week, can you add him to ~ubuntu-archive?16:14
cjwatsonRiddell: excellent!  done, please file an RT for the shell access bit.  is he going to take an archive day, or do any particular tasks?16:16
didrockscjwatson: Riddell: thanks! on the archive day, I'll do random stuff first (still a little busy with unity this cycle), but I plan to take an archive day next cycle16:17
* cjwatson nods16:18
kklimondajdstrand: any idea why would python-django fail on buildds out of the blue? It still builds in maverick ppa, and it did build before maverick release. Build-Depending on locales-all | locale-pack-en-base seems to be the only way to do what I want, dropping it would only introduce another delta.16:19
kklimonda(some tests are expecting unicode locales to be set, and they fail otherwise)16:20
cjwatsonyou could generate the locale at build time instead16:20
cjwatson(localedef)16:20
cjwatsonsee e.g. lintian's postinst16:20
kklimondacjwatson: where were you when I was asking people for advice? :)16:20
cjwatsonI know you wouldn't want to do it in the postinst, but the command-line invocation would be about the same16:20
cjwatsonheh16:20
kklimondacjwatson: thanks for the idea, I'll check lintian and see if that helps16:23
nigelb716:24
nigelbgah, sorry16:24
pittibryceh, RAOF: FYI, xorg-edgers holding up well for three days already, including about 10 suspend/resume cycles (I basically didn't reboot again after the upgrade on Sunday)16:36
brycehpitti, excellent16:36
brycehpitti, yeah it's been running solidly on my netbook as well16:36
brycehpitti, there's still some bits and pieces needing attention that have turned up, but I expect we're on schedule to see it in main within a week or so16:37
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SpamapSanybody else have a problem on natty where gdm doesn't work on bootup? I have to switch to tty1 and restart it.17:04
SpamapSI get a blank screen and I'm clearly in X (have to do ctrl-alt-f1)17:04
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SpamapSseems like maybe plymouth doesn't deactivate properly or something17:05
cjwatsonSpamapS: does anything in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Grub2BootFramebuffer/Whiteboard ring a bell?17:09
cjwatsontry each of the two workarounds in the top section, preferably individually (those go in /etc/default/grub, and run update-grub after each)17:09
SpamapScjwatson: will try them out shortly, thanks. :)17:14
bjfjust installed Alpha 1, then a dist-upgrade, then a reboot and am sitting at a purple screen, can't switch to tty117:14
davmor2bjf: is it just dark purple?17:15
davmor2bjf: as in it isn't the desktop background?17:16
bjfdavidm, correct, it should be the screen with the logo and the dots under it17:17
davmor2bjf: does your caps lock key flash?17:18
bjfdavidm, yes, flashing right now17:18
davmor2bjf: If so welcome to the wonderful world of kernel panic17:18
davmor2bjf: for some reason that isn't easily reproducible on my system I get it,  just power off give it a few seconds and switch back on, you'll be greeted by the grub screen select the top entry and away you go17:20
bjfdavmor2, if i hold the left shift to get into grub, i get screen corruption (after powering down and back up)17:20
bjfdavmor2, ie. the grub menu is corrupted (visually)17:21
davmor2bjf: you should need to press any key it should just go to it after a kernel panic17:22
cjwatsonbjf: when it's corrupted, move the cursor down/up so that it doesn't time out17:22
cjwatsonbjf: then press c17:22
cjwatsonbjf: then type 'terminal_output console' and press enter.  does that get you a prompt?17:22
cjwatson(yes, you have to type this blind)17:23
bjfcjwatson, grub>17:23
cjwatsonbjf: type 'videoinfo' - what does it say the EDID preferred mode is?  (should be near the end)17:24
bjfcjwatson, dont see it, "Adapter 'VGA Video Driver': No info available"17:25
cjwatsontry 'set pager=1' before 'videoinfo', and page through the output17:25
bjfcjwatson, my bad, EDID version: 1.3 Preferred mode: 1440x90017:26
cjwatsonthinkpad?17:26
bjfcjwatson, thinkpad x30117:26
cjwatsonyou have the sixth entry under Problems in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Grub2BootFramebuffer/Whiteboard17:26
cjwatsonworkaround:17:26
cjwatsonset gfxmode=1440x90017:26
cjwatsoner, sorry17:26
cjwatsonset gfxmode=1440x900x1617:26
cjwatsonterminal_output gfxterm17:26
cjwatsonbackground_color 44,0,3017:27
cjwatsonthen press escape and you'll be back in the menu17:27
cjwatsonthen try booting17:27
bjfcjwatson, thanks, will give it a go17:27
cjwatsonthis is a BIOS bug - the X VESA driver suffers from it in pretty much exactly the same way (according to RAOF's tests).  I'm hoping to think of a workaround that doesn't suck17:27
cjwatsonyou can make the above sticky by editing /etc/default/grub and putting 'GRUB_GFXMODE=1440x900x16' there, then 'sudo update-grub'17:28
bjfcjwatson, worked so far17:28
bjfcjwatson, however now it looks like i'm still getting a kernel panic, cursor in upper left of screen and flashing capslk key17:29
cjwatsonOK, try the above but with 'set linux_gfx_mode=text' as well17:30
bjfcjwatson, will do17:30
cjwatsonwe didn't see the kernel panic on the laptops with this problem that we tested at the sprint17:30
cjwatsonapw: ^- FWIW, this may be straying into your domain17:31
davmor2cjwatson: I've had them with this amilo-li-2727 on and off but not predictably but only on restarts17:31
apwcjwatson, /me reads17:32
cjwatsondavmor2: only on restarts as opposed to ...?17:33
davmor2cjwatson: I don't get it if I halt the system, and power on from cold,  only on restarts17:34
cjwatsondavmor2: and you're seeing specifically the display corruption when trying to display the grub menu?17:34
davmor2no I don't get that bit nice clear grub screen17:35
cjwatson(the distinction between grub and the kernel and X is vitally important here)17:35
davmor2I just get the kernel panic17:35
apwbjf, so does it boot ok without with linux_gfxmode=text and without splash on the kernle command line ?17:35
cjwatsondavmor2: have you seen it since upgrading to linux 2.6.37-8.20?17:35
cjwatson(linux_gfxmode doesn't exist FWIW)17:36
bjfapw, no, same result17:36
apwhrmphf17:37
bjfindeed17:37
davmor2cjwatson: I'm currently on 2.6.37-12-generic17:37
cjwatsonlinux_gfx_mode=text + no quiet + no splash should at least get you a text panic ...17:37
apwbjf what changed to get you here ?  upgrade to natty17:37
cjwatsonactually, rather than 'set linux_gfx_mode=text', it might be worth going into the grub menu editor (same screen as where you remove quiet and splash) and changing 'set gfxpayload=$linux_gfx_mode' to 'set gfxpayload=text'17:38
bjfapw, yes, I re-installed natty this a.m. (alpha 1) and then did a dist-upgrade to get caught up, that gave me this result17:38
cjwatsonjust in case I got my logic wrong there17:38
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bjfcjwatson, apw, did as last suggest and same result17:41
cjwatsoncould you repeat exactly what you did just so that we're on the same page?17:42
cjwatsonthis is so much harder when not in front of the box17:42
bjfcjwatson, ok, one sec17:42
ograWTF17:46
* ogra curses17:46
bjfcjwatson, apw: hold shift key to get to grub17:46
bjfcjwatson, apw: move arrow keys to not get timeout17:46
bjfcjwatson, apw: pressed "c" to get into a command mode17:46
bjfcjwatson, apw: typed "terminal_output console"17:46
bjfcjwatson, apw: typed "set gfxmode=1440x900x16"17:46
bjfcjwatson, apw: typed "terminal_output gfxterm"17:46
bjfcjwatson, apw: typed "background_color 44,0,30"17:46
bjfcjwatson, apw: typed "Esc" to get back to the grub menu17:46
bjfcjwatson, apw: typed "e" to get to the editor17:46
bjfcjwatson, apw: replaced "$linux_gfx_mode" with "text"    (no dbl-quotes)17:46
bjfcjwatson, apw: removed "quiet splash"17:46
bjfcjwatson, apw: pressed "F10" to boot17:46
ograso ubuntu-netbook is installable in my chroot ... but antimony still chokes on libwebkitgtk17:46
cjwatsonogra: make sure you don't have universe/multiverse on17:47
ograi dont get that17:47
ogracjwatson, in my chroot ? i dont17:47
ograits newly bootstrapped17:47
cjwatsondunno then, but I bet it's not antimony choking, surely a livefs buildd instead17:47
cjwatsonbjf: that looks plausible then.  do you get a text panic now?17:47
ograboth then17:47
bjfcjwatson, no, still cursor in upper left of screen, capslk flashing17:48
cjwatsonogra: and did you try ubuntu-netbook^ (the task) rather than ubuntu-netbook (the metapackage)?17:49
davmor2cjwatson, bjf: would it be worth trying to boot into rescue mode that'll give you text output and maybe the panic?17:49
ogracjwatson, ah, no, i didnt17:49
* ogra tries17:49
cjwatsonogra: it fails in chdist for me17:49
ograyeah, task fails17:50
bjfdavmor2, that's where i'm heading right now17:50
ographew17:50
cjwatsondavmor2: recovery mode is pretty much equivalent to removing 'quiet splash', which he's already done17:50
ograi thought i'd go insane ... indeed PEBCAK17:50
cjwatsonthe only other difference is that it doesn't save the default entry17:50
cjwatsonbjf: oh, you might try removing vt.handoff=7 from the kernel command line17:51
cjwatson(which, come to think of it, is another difference in recovery mode)17:51
bjfcjwatson, recovery mode worked better, have text which shows the panic now17:51
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cjwatsonbjf: so just to make sure, try normal mode but remove quiet splash and vt.handoff=717:52
bjfcjwatson, will do17:52
cjwatsonapw: I guess this is more or less on your turf now17:52
ograah !17:53
ograrhythmbox pulls in the old webkit17:53
pittiogra: hm, I thought I uploaded a rebuild for that17:53
ograyeha, i see an upload17:53
ograftbfs on arm17:54
ograerror: Dbusmenu-Glib-0.2 not found in specified Vala API directories or GObject-Introspection GIR directories17:58
ograhmpf17:58
seb128ogra, it needs to be updated for the new libdbusmenu18:02
ograseb128, yep18:03
seb128ogra, seems the other archs built before the new libdbusmenu so they were ok18:03
seb128ogra, I can fix that tomorrow I planned to upload the new rb as well18:03
andreserlCan anyone from foundations take a look at bug #52528718:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 525287 in lvm2 (Ubuntu) "Add support for corosync based clusters in clvm" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52528718:03
ograseb128, yeah, fine, i wont put work into it then18:04
seb128ogra, ok18:04
hallyncmagina: hey, if you get a chance (since I know you've tested it :) could you comment that you've verified bug 686832 and bug 660597 ?18:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 686832 in multipath-tools (Ubuntu) "multipath-tools-boot, root mount failed - Device or resource busy" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68683218:17
ubottuBug 660597 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/660597 is private18:18
cmaginahallyn: will do18:18
hallyncmagina: thanks18:19
stgrabertumbleweed: ping18:22
stgrabertumbleweed: I'm working on uploading suspended-sentence, I'll put the right version number in there but I'm wondering if you have any issue with me dropping the two first changelog entries18:23
stgrabertumbleweed: so the first changelog entry for what will hit extra.u.c will match the first upload18:24
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janimois there a specific team/individual taking care of banshee? If so is 1.9.2 planned soon?18:34
micahghyperair: ^^18:36
micahghmm, already in Debian experimental18:37
* micahg guesses hyperair can't help with that anymroe18:38
micahg*anymore18:38
micahgjanimo: it's on the Desktop Team's list of packages to update now, you might want to ask in #ubuntu-desktop if it's urgent18:40
hyperairmicahg: oi18:41
janimomicahg, thanks, not urgent, just good to know, as it may affect an armel bug18:41
hyperairwho said i'm not working on it?18:41
hyperairi'm waiting on banshee-community-extensions18:41
micahghyperair: I meant about getting it merged into Ubuntu :), unless you got PPU already for it18:42
hyperairthere's this dude who has a suspicious jamendo icon there i'm not sure comes from where18:42
hyperairmicahg: it is in the PPA.18:42
hyperairmicahg: AND i will be getting it merged into ubuntu. i just don't want to break banshee-community-extensions.18:42
hyperairmicahg: so whoever touches banshee... better not mess it up, or his/her head will roll.18:43
micahghyperair: ok, just noticed it's in main now18:43
hyperairwe have package sets now18:43
hyperairbeing in the debian-cli team i retain upload access to banshee18:43
hyperairnow that that's clarified, let me get back to my book18:43
micahghyperair: ah, ok, cool, didn't realize it was in there :)18:43
hyperairlisbeth salander is ♥18:43
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micahgjanimo: so hyperair's the one :)18:44
micahgpackage sets, FTW!18:45
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tumbleweedstgraber: fine with me19:01
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SpamapSjelmer: w000t ty for the paramiko update! :)20:49
jelmerSpamapS: please thank StevenK for sponsoring :-)20:55
SpamapSStevenK: thanks for sponsoring the paramiko upload! :)21:04
StevenKSpamapS: :-)21:07
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superm1pitti, would you mind doing another release of jockey before the next alpha?  i'd like to be able to test with some of the modaliased-driver package things as the media starts to stabilize again21:30
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lifelessbdrung: ping (bug 704657)22:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 704657 in ubuntu-dev-tools (Ubuntu) "edge service root is deprecated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/70465722:07
bdrunglifeless: merge proposals are welcome22:08
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tumbleweedlifeless, bdrung: I noticed that a while back, but knew the new launchpadlib was about to land, it will probably mean manage-credentials is no longer needed22:34
maxbHow long is the ubuntu-backporters review queue these days? (>20 days seems quite a lot)22:36
ebrodermaxb: it's pretty long, and the amount of backlog unfortunately tends to make working on it discouraging22:37
maxbHow long is considered an acceptable demonstration of patience before trying to hunt people down on IRC? :-)22:37
* micahg thought there was a helper script now and it was built in to AA duties22:38
ebrodermicahg: yes, but that's only once backporters have approved it22:38
maxbHmm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backporters/+subscribedbugs is "only" 27 entries22:39
micahgebroder: oh, he means the actual approval22:39
maxbThat's not as dire as it could be22:39
ebrodermaxb: that's only bugs that ~u-b are explicitly subscribed to, i think. you want to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/lucid-backports/+bugs and similar22:39
ebrodermaxb: if you haven't already, you can make your request more appealing to review by making sure that you've tested that the packages build, install, and run22:42
maxbdone that :-)22:42
maxband listed the reverse-depends too22:42
* ebroder sighs22:42
ebroderfine, you've got my attention. i can at least look at it and tell you what additional checking i think would need to be done22:42
ebroder(note: i'm not currently a backporter, but i do a lot of backports)22:43
lifelesstumbleweed: its trivial to fix - s/edge/production22:45
lifelessbdrung: a mp seems overkill when you can just do the replace and commit directly.22:45
tumbleweedlifeless: indeed22:45
maxbbug 695108 is the one I'm interested in22:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 695108 in lucid-backports "Backport pristine-tar 1.11ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/69510822:49
ebrodermaxb: should this be an sru instead of a backport?22:49
ebroderwe don't usually backport to fix bugs - we backport to add features22:50
maxbIt's a "bring in the latest upstream, which is better" rather than a "targetted application of specific bugfixes"22:50
maxbThat seems more backport than SRU territory to me22:50
micahgebroder: a backport to maverick is required for an upgrade path as well, right?22:55
ebroderyes, it would be22:56
micahgebroder: I agree with you, this seems more SRU material since the version in the archive is broke22:58
micahgmaxb: a backport helps UDD, but not other people without backports enabled22:59
bdrunglifeless: then just push the change to the ubuntu-dev-tools branch. it's owned by ubuntu-dev22:59
maxbmicahg: A SRU requires a minimal patch. I don't think it's in anyone's interests to take the time to prepare one for this package23:01
lifelessbdrung: maybe I'm looking at the wrong place; whats the lp url for the branch ?23:02
bdrunglifeless: lp:~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/trunk23:02
maxbThe pristine-tar in the archive for lucid does break on a small proportion of the tarballs of packages in the archive, it's true. But the target audience that needs it to work is small indeed.23:03
maxbjames_w`: around?23:03
james_w`hi maxb23:03
maxbjames_w`: Hi. We're discussing whether pristine-tar can be backported to lucid, or whether it gets bumped from the backports process on the grounds of being a bugfix that ought to be SRUed23:04
lifelessbdrung: pushed23:05
james_w`maxb, my hunch is that it would be bumped from the SRU process due to it being too instrusive23:07
maxbThat was what I was thinking. I hope it doesn't fall down a crack between the backports and SRU processes and be lost forever :-/23:08
ebrodermaxb, james_w`: you should probably get ScottK or one of the other backporters to weigh in - his opinion is official; mine is not23:09
james_w`the change that fixed it is: "zgz now includes a trimmed down copy of the compressor from bzip2 0.9.5d."23:13
james_w`sounds quite intrusive23:14
maxbI think that can be sold as a "feature"23:20
ebrodermaxb: look, if you can just point me at any new feature that was added to pristine-tar... :-P23:21
maxb"Include a copy of the compressor from bzip2 0.9.5d"23:22
andreserljml: howdy!! So, do you have any ideas on how to do what you proposed for testdrive?23:32
jmlandreserl: some23:32
jmlandreserl: I'd copy code from lp:start-hacking, and muck around a bit, basically23:32
andreserljml:righ but I mean, how could we pass information to a VM to launch the specific application23:35
andreserlbtw.. is there anyone from foundations around that can take a look at bug #52528723:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 525287 in lvm2 (Ubuntu) "Add support for corosync based clusters in clvm" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52528723:38
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james_w`andreserl, cloud-init!23:48
andreserljames_w`: yes that's what I was thinking too :)23:50
andreserlsmoser: would it be possible to use cloud-init with uec images that run in testdrive?23:51
james_w`desktop images?23:52
andreserljames_w`: yes, desktop images23:52
andreserljames_w`: testdrive already supports launching UEC server images23:52

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